darkoz
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November 3rd, 2020 at 5:30:24 PM permalink
Here is a hypothetical situation.

An factory explosion kills twenty people. The fire that's started begins to spread.

A few blocks away a family believing it to be a hoax or easily contained does nothing.

After five hours watching the fire spread it finally reaches their home, burns it down and kills the family of five.

According to some people on this forum the family of five handled the situation better than the people in the massive explosion because mathematically 20 people died in the explosion while only five died in the nearby home.
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Keyser
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November 3rd, 2020 at 5:32:57 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Here is a hypothetical situation.

An factory explosion kills twenty people. The fire that's started begins to spread.

A few blocks away a family believing it to be a hoax or easily contained does nothing.

After five hours watching the fire spread it finally reaches their home, burns it down and kills the family of five.

According to some people on this forum the family of five handled the situation better than the people in the massive explosion because mathematically 20 people died in the explosion while only five died in the nearby home.



Darkoz,

Just stop. You can't justify the data that I posted. Give it up.
darkoz
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November 3rd, 2020 at 5:46:24 PM permalink
Quote: Keyser

Darkoz,

Just stop. You can't justify the data that I posted. Give it up.



I just did.
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November 4th, 2020 at 7:57:27 AM permalink
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"As of Tuesday afternoon, there have been at least 516,114 cases and 33,187 deaths in New York since the beginning of the pandemic, according to a New York Times database." nyt



Thank you for adding light to the discussion, without adding heat. Good data is crucial, however...

Costco (and I assume other major retailers) now offer a home-test for C-virus. Mouth swab. Send sample in. Result by email in 24-48 hours. All for under $150. This is great!

Except, major retailers are not set up to report medical data, and each retailer does things differently. Strange data formats. Perhaps, some only report monthly. Or, not at all. So, test results and new C-virus cases may or may not be reported timely. Data quality may suffer.

However, because C-virus testing has been "commercialized" now, states like Florida -- where the full economy has been "reopened" -- are starting to cancel payment programs for C-virus tests done by pharmaceutical labs. Seriously, states may decide that testing is an unnecessary expense. As that occurs, will anyone have good data?

My apologies for having no source to share. Discount my concerns as you choose. YMMV.
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November 4th, 2020 at 8:57:38 AM permalink
The reality remains, too many residents of the USA just do not care. For a variety of reasons and justifications.

Until everyone cares about getting it under control, it'll continue to effect us in numerous negative ways.

Folks who think that they'll wait it out until a vaccine may be waiting for a long time. I have just not seen any credible reports that a vaccine is imminent.
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November 4th, 2020 at 9:11:36 AM permalink
Never fear, leromlimab will soon be here.
darkoz
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November 4th, 2020 at 9:16:15 AM permalink
Quote: Keyser

Darkoz,

The data says you're wildly wrong.

The population of NY is about 19.45 million. They had about 33,187 deaths from the virus.
The population of FL is larger, at about 21.48 million. Yet they've only had about 16,833 deaths from the virus. They didn't lock down for as long, and they've lifted all shutdowns.

There's also all of the deaths that happened because of the shutdowns that aren't shown.


I don't know where you get your news, but I suspect it's from the propaganda machine. Forcing nursing homes to accept virus patients happened, and it had grave consequences.



When you add the timeline properly it becomes clear from the data that shutdowns worked in NYS when done properly versus Florida which was done improperly.

It's as simple as the data of a timeline graph.

First NYS with little warning of a disaster shuts down and the deaths reduce from a thousand a day to single digits per day



Then Florida with months of warning does a half-baked shutdown resulting in rising deaths, spiking death rates and still has a high number of deaths per day

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Keyser
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November 4th, 2020 at 11:46:48 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

When you add the timeline properly it becomes clear from the data that shutdowns worked in NYS when done properly versus Florida which was done improperly.

It's as simple as the data of a timeline graph.

First NYS with little warning of a disaster shuts down and the deaths reduce from a thousand a day to single digits per day



Then Florida with months of warning does a half-baked shutdown resulting in rising deaths, spiking death rates and still has a high number of deaths per day



Sure...and if you squint and look at the screen upside down you can see other stuff as well.
Regardless, the reckless procedures in NY led to almost twice as many deaths as FL.

"Never fear, leromlimab will soon be here." Right? (NOT.)
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November 5th, 2020 at 5:26:44 AM permalink
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Might as well get prepared.

Massachusetts is doing a partial shutdown as of this Friday.

That means no business after 9:30 pm.

Including casinos.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcboston.com/news/local/baker-to-announce-new-orders-affecting-reopening-due-to-increase-in-covid-cases/2222171/%3famp

I don't see the point. While it's true Coronavirus comes from bats, it's NOT a vampire disease. It's just as deadly in the daytime.

Spread is spread



IL casinos have not shut down, but they must close at 11 pm. Drinks are not served inside the casino. There is a table with complimentary water but you cannot drink it or bring it to a table. Smoking has been illegal in IL casinos for a while.

In IN, you can order food or a drink but have to go to specified areas to eat or drink. None at a table whatsoever. In IN casinos you can still smoke but not at a table. Most who do at say a blackjack table walk 10 feet back from the table for a couple drags between shoes
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November 5th, 2020 at 5:37:56 AM permalink
The states or casinos Iíve seen no smoking at the table but otherwise allowing it is a complete joke. Especially In casinos that arenít spaced real well and have slots nearby any poor soul playing machines in the first row or two near table games becomes a human friggin ashtray at every blackjack shuffle or whenever someone steps away from the craps table, itís completely ridiculous

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