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November 2nd, 2020 at 12:22:14 PM permalink
Might as well get prepared.

Massachusetts is doing a partial shutdown as of this Friday.

That means no business after 9:30 pm.

Including casinos.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcboston.com/news/local/baker-to-announce-new-orders-affecting-reopening-due-to-increase-in-covid-cases/2222171/%3famp

I don't see the point. While it's true Coronavirus comes from bats, it's NOT a vampire disease. It's just as deadly in the daytime.

Spread is spread
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November 2nd, 2020 at 12:25:49 PM permalink
When the roads are empty at 10 pm like it's 2 am.

The UK is gonna have a massive lockdown for a month starting Thursday, as if that wasn't long enough, they are starting to care about hospitals again which is odd since they're trying to get rid of them at the same time.
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November 2nd, 2020 at 12:47:09 PM permalink
Casinos where I live started closing at 11 and then shutdown a week and a half later for min two weeks. Going to be closer to two months imo.

I just went two provinces over to grind cause I refuse to sit at home doing nothing.
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November 2nd, 2020 at 12:50:44 PM permalink
Some believe illegals are worsening the covid spread. And that they refuse to goto hospitals until its really bad for fear of deportation.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/6/illegal-immigrants-spread-coronavirus-in-us-around/
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November 2nd, 2020 at 12:51:42 PM permalink
I also believe another shutdown is coming.

Casinos really are about the worst place you can put yourself.
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November 2nd, 2020 at 1:38:10 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

I also believe another shutdown is coming.

Casinos really are about the worst place you can put yourself.



I also teach at a community college. Live classroom teaching.
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November 2nd, 2020 at 2:17:15 PM permalink
Quote: jjjoooggg

Some believe illegals are worsening the covid spread. And that they refuse to goto hospitals until its really bad for fear of deportation.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/6/illegal-immigrants-spread-coronavirus-in-us-around/


??????????
States with the least amount of illegals are being hammered by the virus
Thats simple math. Look at the numbers
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November 2nd, 2020 at 2:19:24 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Might as well get prepared.

Massachusetts is doing a partial shutdown as of this Friday.

That means no business after 9:30 pm.

Including casinos.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcboston.com/news/local/baker-to-announce-new-orders-affecting-reopening-due-to-increase-in-covid-cases/2222171/%3famp

I don't see the point. While it's true Coronavirus comes from bats, it's NOT a vampire disease. It's just as deadly in the daytime.

Spread is spread



You seem to be coming around to the common sense position.

I worked a party last weekend with the condition I did not have to wear a mask. Nobody there had one, everyone enjoyed themselves. More and more people are realizing there is only so much you can do.
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November 2nd, 2020 at 2:47:20 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

You seem to be coming around to the common sense position.

I worked a party last weekend with the condition I did not have to wear a mask. Nobody there had one, everyone enjoyed themselves. More and more people are realizing there is only so much you can do.




My position is either shut down all the way or none at all, not withstanding essential services.

Just shutting early in the evening doesn't cut it.

I don't think anyone supports a shutdown just like no one supports an evacuation from an oncoming natural disaster.

No one says, I love evacuations, best thing that ever happened. But when a fire, hurricane, tornado, etc approaches sometimes it's the best thing to save lives.

That's how people like myself feel about the shutdown. Don't want them but if it's necessary, let's get it done.
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November 2nd, 2020 at 2:56:38 PM permalink
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November 2nd, 2020 at 3:00:52 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

I also believe another shutdown is coming.

Casinos really are about the worst place you can put yourself.


Yep...and as far as a Nevada is concerned, they still allow those who want to smoke to remove their mask and do so, unabated if they like. Thatís about 1 in 5 on the casino floor able to remove their mask without breaking any mandate or rule. That alone tells me the powers in charge, politically and business....are putting health ramifications on the back burner.
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November 2nd, 2020 at 3:04:21 PM permalink
I am also starting to believe we will see another round of major shutdowns in Nevada. Two months ago I would have bet against it but now I think it is likely.
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November 2nd, 2020 at 3:11:28 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I am also starting to believe we will see another round of major shutdowns in Nevada. Two months ago I would have bet against it but now I think it is likely.


Uggh
I'm about a month away depending on weather
Pinball museum open?
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November 2nd, 2020 at 3:16:02 PM permalink
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Pinball museum open?



I have no idea. I have only been there once when family was in town. Before he opened he used to have a party at his house every year where he would set up the machines in his barn and let everyone play. Tim is a very generous man that I believe made most his money in the 80's with arcades.
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November 2nd, 2020 at 10:02:57 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

??????????
States with the least amount of illegals are being hammered by the virus
Thats simple math. Look at the numbers



Texas California and Florida are the highest in covid right now. I said "worsening" the spread. I graduated in Physics btw.

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November 2nd, 2020 at 11:24:55 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

??????????
States with the least amount of illegals are being hammered by the virus
Thats simple math. Look at the numbers


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November 3rd, 2020 at 12:11:27 AM permalink
Quote: jjjoooggg

Texas California and Florida are the highest in covid right now.


Gee, the most populous states
This a math forum
Look at it more accurately
Cases per Capita.
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November 3rd, 2020 at 4:46:27 AM permalink
Quote: jjjoooggg

Texas California and Florida are the highest in covid right now. I said "worsening" the spread. I graduated in Physics btw.

Florida has basically been flat as far as new cases are concerned. A slight uptick in October, but still less than half what it was in July.

And deaths due to Covid are sharply down for the month of October.

Source: Worldometer
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November 3rd, 2020 at 7:20:12 AM permalink
It's hard to believe the numbers coming out of Florida, Texas, and the CDC with all the politics going on. #ZombieApocalyse

New York State total deaths crossed 30,000 back on May 28, 2020, and it's closing in on 33,500 today.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/new-york?view=total-deaths&tab=trend

Outbreaks are a county by county thing, because that's who reports them.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/
There are still many counties upstate that have fewer than a total of 1,000 cases and 50 deaths, which is when most of China went into a total lockdown and welded doors shut with live people inside and destroyed roads leading out of the cities.
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November 3rd, 2020 at 7:34:04 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

It's hard to believe the numbers coming out of Florida, Texas, and the CDC with all the politics going on. #ZombieApocalyse


Go to John's Hopkins University covid page
I trust them
In contact with my relatives in Taiwan. No new cases in Over 200 days. Life is normal there.
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November 3rd, 2020 at 8:23:24 AM permalink
Went into WalMart last night and the self-checkout line machine accepted cash again, but another store was still going with the coin shortage and wanting electronic payments only. Toilet paper was being rationed at a different store to one package per person.
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November 3rd, 2020 at 8:35:15 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

Went into WalMart last night and the self-checkout line machine accepted cash again, but another store was still going with the coin shortage and wanting electronic payments only. Toilet paper was being rationed at a different store to one package per person.



I thought we were well beyond the toilet paper shortage thing?
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November 3rd, 2020 at 8:43:58 AM permalink
Not a chance.
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November 3rd, 2020 at 10:00:49 AM permalink
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November 3rd, 2020 at 10:01:33 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

Gee, the most populous states
This a math forum
Look at it more accurately
Cases per Capita.



Texas just became number one a week ago. Exponential growth.
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November 3rd, 2020 at 12:20:45 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Go to John's Hopkins University covid page
I trust them
In contact with my relatives in Taiwan. No new cases in Over 200 days. Life is normal there.



If I recall correctly, Taiwan implemented a centralized national health system a decade or two ago. It connected everything to everything. The administrative overhead for the entire system was about 2 percent. I imagine this helped with timely contact tracing and follow-up (a big US problem). But, no doubt, Taiwan nailed the C-virus.
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November 3rd, 2020 at 1:26:21 PM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

If I recall correctly, Taiwan implemented a centralized national health system a decade or two ago. It connected everything to everything. The administrative overhead for the entire system was about 2 percent. I imagine this helped with timely contact tracing and follow-up (a big US problem). But, no doubt, Taiwan nailed the C-virus.



Im guessing that taiwan doesnt have as much inbound flights. But i dont know.
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November 3rd, 2020 at 2:19:41 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

My position is either shut down all the way or none at all, not withstanding essential services.

This we agree on. We(all countries with it) should have started with that to begin with. We have had time to prepare for a full on shut down with very limited essential services and come up with aa plan but they don't want to go that route. Instead, we will just play silly shutdowns forever, as if that really does much.
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November 3rd, 2020 at 2:47:08 PM permalink
I think we can all agree that shutting down was a bad mistake.
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November 3rd, 2020 at 3:08:27 PM permalink
Quote: Keyser

I think we can all agree that shutting down was a bad mistake.



I don't think that.

NYS shutdown and cases, deaths dropped precipitously. The shutdown saved many lives.

The NYS shutdown was done properly.

We can all agree a botched shutdown is a bad idea
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November 3rd, 2020 at 3:24:07 PM permalink
As for Taiwan, I have been there on a diplomatic mission for the state department. It is an Island nation with virtually zero travel cross-strait (to mainland China.) Further, Taiwan has been isolated by being lumped into all the travel bans that other nations have implemented with communist China. They also lack official recognition with most countries in the world, which makes it relatively difficult for Taiwanese nationals to travel abroad. I can't imagine a less relevant topic to amuse ourselves with than "Why does Taiwan have a better Covid record than the US?"
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November 3rd, 2020 at 3:49:25 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I don't think that.

NYS shutdown and cases, deaths dropped precipitously. The shutdown saved many lives.

The NYS shutdown was done properly.

We can all agree a botched shutdown is a bad idea



No WAY was the NYS shutdown done correctly at the beginning with the forced readmittance of elderly covid patients back into nursing homes, etc. Really? Many many deaths would have been averted. How do you call that done properly??????
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November 3rd, 2020 at 3:51:51 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I don't think that.

NYS shutdown and cases, deaths dropped precipitously. The shutdown saved many lives.

The NYS shutdown was done properly.

We can all agree a botched shutdown is a bad idea



I hope you're joking or perhaps just uninformed about what really happened. NY was a mess! Thousands needlessly died because they shipped virus patients into the nursing homes. I think Michigan did the same thing.

Florida did it correctly, but not NY!
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November 3rd, 2020 at 3:56:56 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

As for Taiwan, I have been there on a diplomatic mission for the state department.


I was born there and have family there
Quote: gordonm888


It is an Island nation with virtually zero travel cross-strait (to mainland China.)


????????????
What planet do you live on
Flights from 47 cities in China including Wuhan
Taiwan gets about a million tourists a year from the mainland
Quote: gordonm888


Further, Taiwan has been isolated by being lumped into all the travel bans that other nations have implemented with communist China.


Again
WTF
Its an economic powerhouse in international trade. You make it sound like Cuba
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They also lack official recognition with most countries in the world, which makes it relatively difficult for Taiwanese nationals to travel abroad.


My relatives have no problem travelling
Taiwan does so much business around the world, travel is actually easy
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November 3rd, 2020 at 4:45:36 PM permalink
Quote: Keyser

I hope you're joking or perhaps just uninformed about what really happened. NY was a mess! Thousands needlessly died because they shipped virus patients into the nursing homes. I think Michigan did the same thing.

Florida did it correctly, but not NY!



I actually hope you are joking.

After all you keep citing a debunked idea about nursing homes in NYC during covid.

Also, Florida??? Most states up north won't even allow Floridians to come up without a two week quarantine they are so massively spreading it. That's a great way of handling the pandemic???

I am in NY. Of course it was a mess at the beginning. This was a new pandemic crisis. It's 8 months later and NYS is the safest place right now with perhaps one death a day from Covid-19.

When people are dying and getting infected everywhere else EIGHT MONTHS IN that's an example of how not to do a shutdown
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November 3rd, 2020 at 4:53:57 PM permalink
Darkoz,

The data says you're wildly wrong.

The population of NY is about 19.45 million. They had about 33,187 deaths from the virus.
The population of FL is larger, at about 21.48 million. Yet they've only had about 16,833 deaths from the virus. They didn't lock down for as long, and they've lifted all shutdowns.

There's also all of the deaths that happened because of the shutdowns that aren't shown.


I don't know where you get your news, but I suspect it's from the propaganda machine. Forcing nursing homes to accept virus patients happened, and it had grave consequences.
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November 3rd, 2020 at 5:02:15 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I am in NY. Of course it was a mess at the beginning. This was a new pandemic crisis. It's 8 months later and NYS is the safest place right now with perhaps one death a day from Covid-19.


"At least 13 new coronavirus deaths and 1,632 new cases were reported in New York on Nov. 2. Over the past week, there has been an average of 2,103 cases per day, an increase of 48 percent from the average two weeks earlier.
As of Tuesday afternoon, there have been at least 516,114 cases and 33,187 deaths in New York since the beginning of the pandemic, according to a New York Times database." nyt
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November 3rd, 2020 at 5:10:52 PM permalink
Quote: Keyser

Darkoz,

The data says you're wildly wrong.

The population of NY is about 19.45 million. They had about 33,187 deaths from the virus.
The population of FL is larger, at about 21.48 million. Yet they've only had about 16,833 deaths from the virus. They didn't lock down for as long, and they've lifted all shutdowns.

There's also all of the deaths that happened because of the shutdowns that aren't shown.


I don't know where you get your news, but I suspect it's from the propaganda machine. Forcing nursing homes to accept virus patients happened, and it had grave consequences.



The timeline is important.

Most of those deaths in NYS happened at the beginning of the pandemic in a 2 month or so period.

If you want to argue NYS has had more deaths from covid, you are correct. But examination of deaths for the entire pandemic without a timeline breakdown is just setting up lies.

The pandemic flourished in NYS for a two or three month period until the shutdowns reduced the daily death toll to about one per day. That's amazing!!! And clear evidence shutdown done properly will work to contain the epidemic

Your propaganda machine you like to listen to will spin it anyway they can but those are just sad lies.

Meanwhile Florida is still stuck in a terrible pandemic through mismanagement.
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November 3rd, 2020 at 5:14:21 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

The timeline is important.

Most of those deaths in NYS happened at the beginning of the pandemic in a 2 month or so period.

If you want to argue NYS has had more deaths from covid, you are correct. But examination of deaths for the entire pandemic without a timeline breakdown is just setting up lies.

The pandemic flourished in NYS for a two or three month period until the shutdowns reduced the daily death toll to about one per day. That's amazing!!! And clear evidence shutdown done properly will work to contain the epidemic

Your propaganda machine you like to listen to will spin it anyway they can but those are just sad lies.

Meanwhile Florida is still stuck in a terrible pandemic through mismanagement.



Darkoz,

Sorry, but based on the data, I just can't take you seriously. There's just no way that you can justify the incredibly high death rate in NY. Again, FL has a larger population and substantially fewer deaths from the virus.

Go back, study the data and get back to us once you're up to speed.
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November 3rd, 2020 at 5:22:48 PM permalink
Quote: Keyser

Darkoz,

Sorry, but based on the data, I just can't take you seriously. There's just no way that you can justify the incredibly high death rate in NY. Again, FL has a larger population and substantially fewer deaths from the virus.

Go back, study the data and get back to us once you're up to speed.



Sorry but ignoring the timeline is incomplete data.

Start analyzing the historical aspect and not just broad math and I can take you seriously
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November 3rd, 2020 at 5:30:24 PM permalink
Here is a hypothetical situation.

An factory explosion kills twenty people. The fire that's started begins to spread.

A few blocks away a family believing it to be a hoax or easily contained does nothing.

After five hours watching the fire spread it finally reaches their home, burns it down and kills the family of five.

According to some people on this forum the family of five handled the situation better than the people in the massive explosion because mathematically 20 people died in the explosion while only five died in the nearby home.
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November 3rd, 2020 at 5:32:57 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Here is a hypothetical situation.

An factory explosion kills twenty people. The fire that's started begins to spread.

A few blocks away a family believing it to be a hoax or easily contained does nothing.

After five hours watching the fire spread it finally reaches their home, burns it down and kills the family of five.

According to some people on this forum the family of five handled the situation better than the people in the massive explosion because mathematically 20 people died in the explosion while only five died in the nearby home.



Darkoz,

Just stop. You can't justify the data that I posted. Give it up.
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November 3rd, 2020 at 5:46:24 PM permalink
Quote: Keyser

Darkoz,

Just stop. You can't justify the data that I posted. Give it up.



I just did.
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November 4th, 2020 at 7:57:27 AM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

"As of Tuesday afternoon, there have been at least 516,114 cases and 33,187 deaths in New York since the beginning of the pandemic, according to a New York Times database." nyt



Thank you for adding light to the discussion, without adding heat. Good data is crucial, however...

Costco (and I assume other major retailers) now offer a home-test for C-virus. Mouth swab. Send sample in. Result by email in 24-48 hours. All for under $150. This is great!

Except, major retailers are not set up to report medical data, and each retailer does things differently. Strange data formats. Perhaps, some only report monthly. Or, not at all. So, test results and new C-virus cases may or may not be reported timely. Data quality may suffer.

However, because C-virus testing has been "commercialized" now, states like Florida -- where the full economy has been "reopened" -- are starting to cancel payment programs for C-virus tests done by pharmaceutical labs. Seriously, states may decide that testing is an unnecessary expense. As that occurs, will anyone have good data?

My apologies for having no source to share. Discount my concerns as you choose. YMMV.
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November 4th, 2020 at 8:57:38 AM permalink
The reality remains, too many residents of the USA just do not care. For a variety of reasons and justifications.

Until everyone cares about getting it under control, it'll continue to effect us in numerous negative ways.

Folks who think that they'll wait it out until a vaccine may be waiting for a long time. I have just not seen any credible reports that a vaccine is imminent.
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November 4th, 2020 at 9:11:36 AM permalink
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November 4th, 2020 at 9:16:15 AM permalink
Quote: Keyser

Darkoz,

The data says you're wildly wrong.

The population of NY is about 19.45 million. They had about 33,187 deaths from the virus.
The population of FL is larger, at about 21.48 million. Yet they've only had about 16,833 deaths from the virus. They didn't lock down for as long, and they've lifted all shutdowns.

There's also all of the deaths that happened because of the shutdowns that aren't shown.


I don't know where you get your news, but I suspect it's from the propaganda machine. Forcing nursing homes to accept virus patients happened, and it had grave consequences.



When you add the timeline properly it becomes clear from the data that shutdowns worked in NYS when done properly versus Florida which was done improperly.

It's as simple as the data of a timeline graph.

First NYS with little warning of a disaster shuts down and the deaths reduce from a thousand a day to single digits per day



Then Florida with months of warning does a half-baked shutdown resulting in rising deaths, spiking death rates and still has a high number of deaths per day

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November 4th, 2020 at 11:46:48 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

When you add the timeline properly it becomes clear from the data that shutdowns worked in NYS when done properly versus Florida which was done improperly.

It's as simple as the data of a timeline graph.

First NYS with little warning of a disaster shuts down and the deaths reduce from a thousand a day to single digits per day



Then Florida with months of warning does a half-baked shutdown resulting in rising deaths, spiking death rates and still has a high number of deaths per day



Sure...and if you squint and look at the screen upside down you can see other stuff as well.
Regardless, the reckless procedures in NY led to almost twice as many deaths as FL.

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November 5th, 2020 at 5:26:44 AM permalink
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Might as well get prepared.

Massachusetts is doing a partial shutdown as of this Friday.

That means no business after 9:30 pm.

Including casinos.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcboston.com/news/local/baker-to-announce-new-orders-affecting-reopening-due-to-increase-in-covid-cases/2222171/%3famp

I don't see the point. While it's true Coronavirus comes from bats, it's NOT a vampire disease. It's just as deadly in the daytime.

Spread is spread



IL casinos have not shut down, but they must close at 11 pm. Drinks are not served inside the casino. There is a table with complimentary water but you cannot drink it or bring it to a table. Smoking has been illegal in IL casinos for a while.

In IN, you can order food or a drink but have to go to specified areas to eat or drink. None at a table whatsoever. In IN casinos you can still smoke but not at a table. Most who do at say a blackjack table walk 10 feet back from the table for a couple drags between shoes
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November 5th, 2020 at 5:37:56 AM permalink
The states or casinos Iíve seen no smoking at the table but otherwise allowing it is a complete joke. Especially In casinos that arenít spaced real well and have slots nearby any poor soul playing machines in the first row or two near table games becomes a human friggin ashtray at every blackjack shuffle or whenever someone steps away from the craps table, itís completely ridiculous
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