My covid-19 continuing journey
Quote: UP84First we have this from you from the CORONAVIRUS MATH thread:
Now we have this:
Refreshing to see someone point out contradicting EB posts. I think most others have given up out of frustration.
Quote: gordonm888"In its latest Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, researchers at the U.S. Centers for Diseases Control (CDC) say that there were limited instances of COVID-19 in the U.S. during most of January, and that SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes the disease, didn’t start to spread widely until the end of the month and into February." -June 01, 2020
There Were Limited COVID-19 Cases in the U.S. During Most of January, Says New CDC Report
So, EvenBob claiming that he had Covid-19 in February is certainly possible.
You also have to believe it was in Michigan at that time then.
You'd also have to believe he was around his family, and didn't spread it nor kill any of them.
I would have killed people off, at that time, because I would have had no idea about social distancing.
Quote: gamerfreakRefreshing to see someone point out contradicting EB posts.
LOLOL! Who gives a crap. What
happened happened. My doctor
keeps sending me reminders
to come in and get tested, screw
him. I hate doctors, they are just
there to suck the insurance
companies dry. Get this test,
get that test, it never ends.
I already had covid, what good
will the test do. So he can say,
yup, I knew it? Screw him.
Quote: EvenBobLOLOL! Who gives a crap. What
happened happened. My doctor
keeps sending me reminders
to come in and get tested, screw
him. I hate doctors, they are just
there to suck the insurance
companies dry. Get this test,
get that test, it never ends.
I already had covid, what good
will the test do. So he can say,
yup, I knew it? Screw him.
Okay now we get to the bottom of it.
Your doctor said he assumed you had Covid-19 based on your symptoms but wanted to confirm it with a test.
You just assume you had it and refuse to confirm it.
So basically you don't really know. You are just guessing and won't let the doctor do his job.
This is why people on WOV are haranguing you about your claim to have had it
Quote: darkoz
your doctor said he assumed you had Covid-19
He didn't assume anything!
He said I had it, then later
he wanted to confirm it
when testing was available.
ARGUHHHH! This is insane,
what do you people care
one frick if I had it or not???
I'm sick of the nonsense,
thread blocked. Good grief.
Quote: petroglyph" What do we mean when we say a person “tests positive” for Covid-19?
We don’t actually mean they have been found to “have” it."
" I am in the rare position of having known, spent time with, and interviewed the inventor of the method used in the presently available Covid-19 tests, which is called PCR, (Polymerase Chain Reaction.)"
https://www.anti-empire.com/the-inventor-of-the-pcr-technique-would-be-the-first-to-say-its-not-fit-for-diagnostic-purposes/
I encourage everyone here to read the above article so they can laugh as hard as I did.
Quote: EvenBobHe didn't assume anything!
He said I had it, then later
he wanted to confirm it
when testing was available.
ARGUHHHH! This is insane,
what do you people care
one frick if I had it or not???
I'm sick of the nonsense,
thread blocked. Good grief.
You are blocking the thread because you understand how you are losing this argument.
When a doctor says he needs to confirm you have something through testing the translation of that is he is making a best scenario guess and doesn't know for sure.
You know that very well.
.
But you may be conducting yourself in a fashion that endangers those around you. If you haven't had Covid-19 like you believe then you may become an asymptomatic carrier who nonchalantly spreads the virus thinking incorrectly that you have previously beaten it
Getting tested is truthfully the Least you can do in a pandemic but naturally you won't even do that.
I'm just catching up with this thread. I am curious why you are definitively linking your previous case of covid to the current inflammation issues? I'm not a medical professional, but I've got to think there are a number of reasons why one might experience inflammation that are not related to covid? Especially given your cardio medical history (2 valve replacements).
I see this virus in a much diminished light as compared to some. You indicated that people should not minimize the virus for political reasons, and that is true, but the same can be said of those who wish to maximize the hysteria and panic for political reasons.
Quote: MidwestAP
I'm just catching up with this thread. I am curious why you are definitively linking your previous case of covid to the current inflammation issues? I'm not a medical professional, but I've got to think there are a number of reasons why one might experience inflammation that are not related to covid?
I was told by both my doctors, primary and cardiologist that my covid virus was the likely cause. Nobody said "definitive".
If you think your heart isn't working correctly, then there are some other signs that you might look for other than just the fatigue. For example holding your arms above your head, while trying to change a light bulb. When your arms are over your head they feel very weak, but when they're below your shoulders they still feel strong. When riding in a car and someone accelerates, you grey out a bit and feel dizzy. Gravity feels stronger in the mornings or like someone is riding on your back. If you wake during the night, you find it difficult to stand right away or like you can't immediately move your body. You feel like you've been at the amusement park after riding in a car, or in the late evening. You have more falling dreams than usual.
Quote: darkozWomen can also break your heart
YES!!!
And non doctors who never even met Kewlj?
Quote: KeyserUntreated strep throat infections can damage your heart. So can the flu.
So can too much cardio and exercise.
My initial heart valve destruction (endocarditis) was caused by an infection that spread through the blood to heart and valve lining. I haven't heard about too much cardio and exercise. That is a new one to me.
Endocarditis can come on and progress pretty quickly and a lot of times there are no real symptoms, other than fatigue and feeling run down and tired. This is a hindrance because people tend to not seek treatment right away and a couple days can be the difference between and antibiotic treatment and needing emergency surgery.
This has probably made me oversensitive to the symptom of fatigue. But I will say the fatigue I have experienced from covid for 4+ months is different than the fatigue I experienced with endocarditis. Kind of hard to explain the difference, but with this covid fatigue I just fall a sleep easily (especially when watching TV) and am sort of in a fog. I can hear things going on around me, but just can't seem to wake up. And it is always accompanied by a headache. Not a severe headache, just kind of a foggish headache is the best way I can explain it. Compatible to a minor hangover back when I used to drink.
Quote: AlanMendelsonWhy are non doctors even commenting?
And non doctors who never even met Kewlj?
Because that is what we do on internet forums, Alan. :)
I am ok with it. discussion is good. Might even benefit someone.
Quote: kewljBecause that is what we do on internet forums, Alan. :)
I am ok with it. discussion is good. Might even benefit someone.
For the most part, forums are a garden of misinformation.
Quote: AlanMendelsonFor the most part, forums are a garden of misinformation.
You can expand that to the internet as a whole.
Quote: kewljYou can expand that to the internet as a whole.
The entire world.
Just ask a casino employee how their comp system works and you will get a mountain of misinformation
Quote: kewljYou can expand that to the internet as a whole.
Except from bonafide Internet sources.
When I worked at CBS News back in the 1970s we had a rule against man on the street interviews: they were not allowed.
Let me explain that man on the street differed from eyewitness interviews. Eyewitness interviews of course were allowed. For example, the plane hit the building, what did you see?
But man on the street interviews for opinions were never allowed. A fan of Elvis would be interviewed upon hearing about his death to reflect on their love for his music, but a man on the street would not be interviewed to talk about the quality of his music.
Man on the street interviews with opinions were barred because they lacked any authority or factual content.
The Internet today and especially forums have no authority or fact checking. They are a mess.
Every forum should carry a mandatory disclaimer: Warning, nothing here might be correct.
LOL
Quote: AlanMendelson
The Internet today and especially forums have no authority or fact checking. They are a mess.
Every forum should carry a mandatory disclaimer: Warning, nothing here might be correct.
LOL
Yeah, but some of this falls to us. God gave each of us a brain. There is some responsibility to figure out and separate out the BS from the legit, or as I frequently say "who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking".
To put it in terms of gambling and an example we are both familiar with, if some clown, is telling you that he has won millions of dollars over many years playing negative expectation games without offering something that changes the longterm expectation, he is full of crap. It is up to each person to use their brain and determine that he is full of crap and can't defy the math as he is claiming.
And it is that way with everything. Just use common sense and that pretty much works as a disclaimer.
Quote: AlanMendelsonWhy are non doctors even commenting?
Because the thread isn't titled "Doctors Only Medical Advice"?
(besides Kewj probably have to pay $50 consultation fee)
One of the drugs I take for treatment of rheumatoid arthritis is hydroxychloroquine, and I've taken it since 2014. Is it possible that I've acquired some immunity to the coronavirus? I'd like to know if others who take hydroxychloroquine have the same experience?
Quote: HeadlockI am 62 years old, I've had open heart surgery, and I have rheumatoid arthritis. By most measures I would be considered high risk for the coronavirus. But, since I do have thte crippling disease for which there is no cure, coronavirus does not scare me. I've been to Las Vegas three times since the outbreak and I'm feeling just fine.
One of the drugs I take for treatment of rheumatoid arthritis is hydroxychloroquine, and I've taken it since 2014. Is it possible that I've acquired some immunity to the coronavirus? I'd like to know if others who take hydroxychloroquine have the same experience?
For Coronavirus Hydroxychloriquine has had five studies that show it doesn't work.
If it did work it would not have provided any immunity as it's not an antibody or anti-viral drug (which is why scientists were always skeptical it worked)
Quote: AlanMendelsonWhy are non doctors even commenting?
And non doctors who never even met Kewlj?
Alan,
Some of us have first hand experience with heart problems, where as others are just here to troll.
I have first hand experience with heart problems. Do you? If not, then why are you interrupting the thread? Perhaps to troll?
Quote: AlanMendelsonExcept from bonafide Internet sources.
When I worked at CBS News back in the 1970s we had a rule against man on the street interviews: they were not allowed.
Let me explain that man on the street differed from eyewitness interviews. Eyewitness interviews of course were allowed. For example, the plane hit the building, what did you see?
But man on the street interviews for opinions were never allowed. A fan of Elvis would be interviewed upon hearing about his death to reflect on their love for his music, but a man on the street would not be interviewed to talk about the quality of his music.
Man on the street interviews with opinions were barred because they lacked any authority or factual content.
The Internet today and especially forums have no authority or fact checking. They are a mess.
Every forum should carry a mandatory disclaimer: Warning, nothing here might be correct.
LOL
I was commenting today about the most-watched cable news network. People used to get their news from Walter Cronkite. Can you imagine how Walter Cronkite would have reported on a doctor who ascribed various medical issues as originating from spirit sex and incubi visits? Not likely he'd be recommending her medical advice to anyone. But today, the most watched news network makes a point of going to bat for this doctor regarding COVID-19 cures.
The United States has fallen far in just 40 years.
I recommend the book The Death of Expertise, by Tom Nichols.
Quote: kewljYeah, but some of this falls to us. God gave each of us a brain. There is some responsibility to figure out and separate out the BS from the legit, or as I frequently say "who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking".
To put it in terms of gambling and an example we are both familiar with, if some clown, is telling you that he has won millions of dollars over many years playing negative expectation games without offering something that changes the longterm expectation, he is full of crap. It is up to each person to use their brain and determine that he is full of crap and can't defy the math as he is claiming.
And it is that way with everything. Just use common sense and that pretty much works as a disclaimer.
KewlJ, 25% of Americans think a COVID-19 vaccine is a way for Bill Gates to microchip us all. Americans aren't just defying math, they're defying sanity. LOL.
Quote: KeyserAlan,
Some of us have first hand experience with heart problems, where as others are just here to troll.
I have first hand experience with heart problems. Do you? If not, then why are you interrupting the thread? Perhaps to troll?
Please welcome me to your club. I have a 40 year history of Supraventricular Tachycardia and following my kidney and pancreas transplant I had an ablation to stop the electrical disorder.
I guess this means I'm an expert. So my advice is for everyone to consult a medical professional and not go to a gambling website for wisdom from anonymous sources.
Okay Keyser?
Quote: AlanMendelsonPlease welcome me to your club. I have a 40 year history of Supraventricular Tachycardia and following my kidney and pancreas transplant I had an ablation to stop the electrical disorder.
I guess this means I'm an expert. So my advice is for everyone to consult a medical professional and not go to a gambling website for wisdom from anonymous sources.
Okay Keyser?
That’s not how life works. People have opinions on a myriad of subjects that they are not experts on. Read, say, EVERY thread on this forum. As you know, I AM a doctor, but not an expert on COVID-19. I’d say some (darkoz) have done a lot of research on specific drugs and despite not having any medical training knows more about them than I do. I’ve treated SVT emergently many times during my career, but it is possible you have done enough research to know more than I do, as you have had it for 40 years. You give each person’s opinion the weight YOU feel is appropriate. And of course it varies by subject. If our host posts on a complex flaw in a slot machine that can be taken advantage of, I’m all ears. If he posts a new technique for picking up women, it falls on deaf ears!
Quote: SOOPOOThat’s not how life works. People have opinions on a myriad of subjects that they are not experts on. Read, say, EVERY thread on this forum. As you know, I AM a doctor, but not an expert on COVID-19. I’d say some (darkoz) have done a lot of research on specific drugs and despite not having any medical training knows more about them than I do. I’ve treated SVT emergently many times during my career, but it is possible you have done enough research to know more than I do, as you have had it for 40 years. You give each person’s opinion the weight YOU feel is appropriate. And of course it varies by subject. If our host posts on a complex flaw in a slot machine that can be taken advantage of, I’m all ears. If he posts a new technique for picking up women, it falls on deaf ears!
So here we have a website that bans political discussion but giving medical advice is okay.
Go figure?
Carry on.
Quote: AlanMendelsonSo here we have a website that bans political discussion but giving medical advice is okay.
Go figure?
Carry on.
Alan,
You were away during the politics discussion here but those threads became extremely vitriolic to the point the Mods would have ended up suspending half the regular posters for rule violations.
There is none of the bashing of other posters allowed here that other forums seem not to care about.
So they finally banned political discourse
I don't foresee medical discussion going to that extreme.
Quote: AlanMendelsonSo here we have a website that bans political discussion but giving medical advice is okay.
Go figure?
Carry on.
Plus the site winds up banning political posts during the greatest life/death event in modern U.S. history and the greatest political event in U.S. history.
Can you imagine banning "political discourse" after 9/11?
I mean, really, every aspect of life right now is political to a significant extent. Hell, medical advice has become largely "political," so may as well limit it as well.
And, from a journalistic perspective, and a simply logical perspective, here's the main problem:
If being "political" can save lives, then being ostensibly "non-political" costs lives. Pretty simple. Do you want a forum to save lives or cost lives?
If this is a math and science based site and forum, then whether it wants to or not, it exists at a particular point on the political continuum. Many in power are using non-scientific principles to arrive at recommended policies, which puts them in direct conflict with the espoused priorities of this site/forum. You can try to sidestep the anti-science, but if this is a science-based site, you really can't. If you simply accede to anti-science out there in "political-land," and you don't push back, that in itself is a political act. You're subordinating to the anti-science.
Quote: AlanMendelsonSo here we have a website that bans political discussion but giving medical advice is okay.
Go figure?
Carry on.
There's a difference between professional advice and layperson opinion. Both are fine in their own context.
You're more full of shit and pretentious than usual. Lose the smug.
Quote: KeyserAlan,
You're more full of shit and pretentious than usual. Lose the smug.
Welcome to VCT.
Oops, sorry wrong site.
Welcome to your vacation from WOV
Quote: KeyserAlan,
You're more full of shit and pretentious than usual. Lose the smug.
I had always thought this was a better forum.
It's a different forum: One where Keyser gets a 3 day time out.Quote: AlanMendelsonI had always thought this was a better forum.
Whether that makes it better or worse is moot.
Quote: AlanMendelsonSo here we have a website that bans political discussion but giving medical advice is okay.
Go figure?
Carry on.
Let's not forget being able to shill pink sheet stocks.
Quote: redietzPlus the site winds up banning political posts during the greatest life/death event in modern U.S. history and the greatest political event in U.S. history.
Can you imagine banning "political discourse" after 9/11?
I mean, really, every aspect of life right now is political to a significant extent. Hell, medical advice has become largely "political," so may as well limit it as well.
And, from a journalistic perspective, and a simply logical perspective, here's the main problem:
If being "political" can save lives, then being ostensibly "non-political" costs lives. Pretty simple. Do you want a forum to save lives or cost lives?
If this is a math and science based site and forum, then whether it wants to or not, it exists at a particular point on the political continuum. Many in power are using non-scientific principles to arrive at recommended policies, which puts them in direct conflict with the espoused priorities of this site/forum. You can try to sidestep the anti-science, but if this is a science-based site, you really can't. If you simply accede to anti-science out there in "political-land," and you don't push back, that in itself is a political act. You're subordinating to the anti-science.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for men of goodwill to do nothing.
Quote: billryanLet's not forget being able to shill pink sheet stocks.
What have I got to do with any pink sheet stocks?
Why did you post this including a quote from me?
When have I ever mentioned any pink sheet stock or even mentioned stock market investing?
What are you insinuating?
I have also had an ablation to fix AFib. Success!
Quote: rsactuary^ I don't think that was directed at you.
I have also had an ablation to fix AFib. Success!
If it was not directed at me he should have said it. He has attacked me before.
Quote: AlanMendelsonIf it was not directed at me he should have said it. He has attacked me before.
He was referring to DarkOz and his Leronlimab statements.
Quote: AlanMendelsonWhat have I got to do with any pink sheet stocks?
Why did you post this including a quote from me?
When have I ever mentioned any pink sheet stock or even mentioned stock market investing?
What are you insinuating?
Yes, Alan, it was directed at me.
For those at WOV who have been having years long conversations most of us will get certain statements, allusions etc.
I'm certain Bill wasn't trying to be mysterious about it. He made the assumption most posters on here would get the reference
Quote: AlanMendelsonIf it was not directed at me he should have said it. He has attacked me before.
If it wasn't directed at you, why would I say so?
By the way, this was directed to you?
Quote: SOOPOOThat’s not how life works. People have opinions on a myriad of subjects that they are not experts on. Read, say, EVERY thread on this forum. As you know, I AM a doctor, but not an expert on COVID-19. I’d say some (darkoz) have done a lot of research on specific drugs and despite not having any medical training knows more about them than I do. I’ve treated SVT emergently many times during my career, but it is possible you have done enough research to know more than I do, as you have had it for 40 years. You give each person’s opinion the weight YOU feel is appropriate. And of course it varies by subject. If our host posts on a complex flaw in a slot machine that can be taken advantage of, I’m all ears. If he posts a new technique for picking up women, it falls on deaf ears!
Well said. When it comes to medical topics, I'll trust your response because you're obviously knowledgeable in many aspects of medicine. But you have the modestness to admit when you're not completely sure on a particular topic. Many people on the internet have a hard time admitting this.
My pcp (primary care physician) recommended I get tested for the virus. So I made an appointment @ the new testing site @ Cashman Center. Went in yesterday morning for the nasal swab and got the results back today (about 24 hours later).
I was negative (not detected) for the virus.
This new testing site seems well run and easy to access if others in the Vegas area need/want testing.
https://www.umcsn.com/COVID19/ConsentBlue.aspx
https://www.ktnv.com/news/coronavirus/new-covid-19-testing-site-at-cashman-center
Quote: KeyserAlan,
Some of us have first hand experience with heart problems, where as others are just here to troll.
I have first hand experience with heart problems. Do you? If not, then why are you interrupting the thread? Perhaps to troll?
I had my first heart attack at 37 years old. Somehow I am still ticking.
