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EvenBob
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August 3rd, 2020 at 11:57:12 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Your 'doctor' made the diagnosis



Yup, he did. And I'm taking his
diagnosis over some retired
gas passer on an a chat forum
that has never seen me as a
patient. Get real.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
sabre
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August 3rd, 2020 at 12:05:58 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Yup, he did. And I'm taking his
diagnosis over some retired
gas passer on an a chat forum
that has never seen me as a
patient. Get real.



You didn't have it. Your doctor is a moron.
AlanMendelson
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August 3rd, 2020 at 12:10:46 PM permalink
Hang on for a minute. I recall reading some reports that COVID-19 might have actually started in the fall of 2019 and could have been in the USA as early as last November.

Is there a real "start date" for it?

Or is everyone just guessing?
EvenBob
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August 3rd, 2020 at 12:55:20 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Hang on for a minute. I recall reading some reports that COVID-19 might have actually started in the fall of 2019 and could have been in the USA as early as last November.



Yup. And the Uber driver was
an airport driver, that's where
he sat all day in between fares.
So the chances are good he
picked up an Asian who had
it. My doctor said he's pretty
convinced I had it, though at
the time he thought it was a
severe flu. I've mentioned
this here several times and
now people are paying attention?
I know I talked about it back when
Kewl first mentioned him having
it. He asked me if I had been tested.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
kewlj
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August 3rd, 2020 at 1:01:10 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Hang on for a minute. I recall reading some reports that COVID-19 might have actually started in the fall of 2019 and could have been in the USA as early as last November.

Is there a real "start date" for it?

Or is everyone just guessing?



Yeah, there is some "guessing" going on here. lol

Start date? who knows because China covered up and lied for who knows how long....as long as they could. :)

I read reports that there MAY have been cases in California, late last year, Late November and December. I also know a couple people that worked at CES, the biggest annual show/convention in Vegas the first week in January that swear they got covid at that show. That show does draw from all over the world, so it is possible, just like California is possible, but these things don't fit the timeline of when cases really began spreading here is the U.S.

Similarly EvenBob could have possibly contracted earlier than common spread in the U.S. Possibly, but I would bet against it. Let's not forget December, January, February IS FLU season as well and many symptoms are the same. We didn't even have a test to confirm until March, so anything prior to that the wasn't confirmed by a test is doubtful to me. Not impossible, but doubtful.

EvenBob, did at any time you get the antibody test to confirm that you had it? Your doctor could have ordered that months after just to confirm.
petroglyph
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August 3rd, 2020 at 1:23:21 PM permalink
" What do we mean when we say a person “tests positive” for Covid-19?

We don’t actually mean they have been found to “have” it.
"

" I am in the rare position of having known, spent time with, and interviewed the inventor of the method used in the presently available Covid-19 tests, which is called PCR, (Polymerase Chain Reaction.)"

https://www.anti-empire.com/the-inventor-of-the-pcr-technique-would-be-the-first-to-say-its-not-fit-for-diagnostic-purposes/
AlanMendelson
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August 3rd, 2020 at 1:23:45 PM permalink
Even the antibody test is unreliable and there are cases where patients get the disease twice.

No one knows.
Everyone is guessing.
Just wear a mask.
And close the casinos. I'm tired of seeing men leave the restroom without washing their hands... both before and after the start of Covid.
kewlj
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August 3rd, 2020 at 1:38:32 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Even the antibody test is unreliable and there are cases where patients get the disease twice.



I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn express last night, so take my thoughts for what you may but it is my understanding the "quick" type antibody tests, like a finger prick are not all that reliable. The full blown blood tests are more reliable.

I also have some thoughts on getting the disease twice based on everything I have read and discussed with my doctor. The big question continues to be how long does any immunity last? With some viruses it is a lifetime, some a year, some only a couple months. Early indications are immunity from antibodies for this virus may be more towards the months or shorter period. IF THAT IS THE CASE, people can contract this virus twice.

BUT, because we are just now getting to the "months" after for most people that contracted this virus, I suspect anyone that "thinks" they may have gotten the virus twice, probably hasn't, and that includes the group in South Korea that tested positive a second time after being clear and the some of the military people on the Aircraft carrier that also tested positive a second time after being cleared.

As we discussed earlier, viruses don't necessarily leave the body. The virus can be reduced to a level that is all but undetectable and lay dormant for a period, some times years, sometimes decades, before it begins to flare up and reproduce again. If I had to guess or bet, I would guess that is what is occurring with some people that are testing positive after having "recovered" rather than a second infection at this point. But only time and better testing will tell.
darkoz
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August 3rd, 2020 at 2:53:17 PM permalink
Theoretically if the timeline is Covid-19 was here in the fall then I fail to see how it came here from China in the winter.

Many people flew TO China last fall.

It's really going to bust the bubbles of those people insisting on calling it The Chinese virus and the Wuhan Flu if it turns out it originated in the US.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
AlanMendelson
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August 3rd, 2020 at 3:21:04 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Theoretically if the timeline is Covid-19 was here in the fall then I fail to see how it came here from China in the winter.

Many people flew TO China last fall.

It's really going to bust the bubbles of those people insisting on calling it The Chinese virus and the Wuhan Flu if it turns out it originated in the US.



I dont understand your reasoning. Are you saying people flew to China in the fall.... but no one from China flew here?

Or do you want to blame it on starting in the USA? But the virus cleverly appeared in China first?

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