My covid-19 continuing journey

I debated all day whether to make this post and share my new developments. I know there are those on hate forums (that monitor this forum) that will call me names and hope for the worst, but I can't be bothered with that right now. Wizard referenced that I had recovered from covid during his interview with one of his female friends, who also went through a covid illness. And I have referenced it a couple times since then, thinking that I had completely put this virus behind me. I found out today, that I have not.

Just a brief 'bring up to date'. I had covid for most of the month of April. Two different moderate waves, each lasting a week to 10 days. Very typical symptoms, fever, although not extremely severe, aches all over my body, chest pain and pressure, and probably my worst symptom, extreme fatigue. While I had symptoms for the better part of a month, my worst chest pains and discomfort (felt like squeezing) really only lasted for a few nights, during each wave.

So by early May, I was feeling some better, actually ALOT better, almost everything was gone except the fatigue. I tested negative for the virus and positive for antibodies, which was supposed to have meant recovery. But the fatigue remained. And to be clear what we are talking about, I sleep 10-12 hours a day, when 7-8 is normal. I fall asleep almost as soon as I sit down in front of the TV. I get winded walking down a few flights of steps. I am in my mid to late 30's, in good shape, not overweight and never had any of these issues prior. I have had 2 heart valve replacement surgeries, which does put me in the higher risk group despite my age.

So the fatigue issue never went away, but everything else did. Just the damn fatigue remained, until last week, when I started having some more symptoms which seemed to be identical to April. Headaches, fever, body aches, especially in the evening and the continuing fatigue. So my doctor retested for Covid and it came back negative. Yesterday I had a scan of my heart and lungs and while my lungs are clear (good news), there is moderate inflammation around my heart. This is a long-term effect of covid, causing blood clots in some patients. Mine is not severe, so I am not in the hospital, just taking some heart anti-inflammatory medication for now. This inflammation is likely the cause of my current chest pressure, not lungs which I feared and again is good news. It is likely the cause or contributing to my ongoing fatigue issues as well.

I am not looking for sympathy or well wishes, I am going to be fine and going to do whatever I need to do, to eventually get back to my Vegas life, that I cherished so much. I write this only as a warning! As I have been saying this virus is new and it is nasty. It effects different people in different ways and can effect all different organs. Doctors and scientists are only beginning to understand this virus and it's destructive power. For those that want to scream "pre-existing condition" and healthy people aren't at risk, almost half of all Americans have some sort of pre-existing medical condition. Some more severe than others.

I promise you I will eventually beat this virus completely and take my life back, so please don't anyone feel bad for me. I have great medical doctors. I just implore each of you to not take this virus lightly. And if you are minimizing it for political reasons.....DON'T! This virus doesn't care about anybody's politics. Just do what you need to do to stay safe and keep your family safe. If one person heeds that advise this thread will be worth it to me.

I wish you well and a speedy recovery. Did your doctor recommend taking a blood thinner to prevent blood clots while you're in this phase?

I am not a doctor, but I would highly suggest you talk to yours about it until this passes.

Again, best wishes for a speedy and full recovery.

I wish you well.

This is why the debate over Covid is more than about deaths. I'm tired of those who say you only have a tiny chance of dying. They ignore the toll of being sick.

It's no fun being sick.

Quote: AlanMendelson

This is why the debate over Covid is more than about deaths.

Yes, it is. There is also the question of timing. Some viruses don't leave the body. People recover but the virus remains. Think about herpes, or HIV. These viruses can be controlled but they remain in the body. There are medications that can get HIV viral levels down to an undetectable amount, but the virus is still there, able to flare up again. Even Chicken Pox virus remains in the body for the entire life.

This virus has been around for 6 months, 4 in this country. Anyone telling you what the longterm situation is, is quite simply guessing. In the cases of scientists, it may be an educated guess based on behavior similarities of other viruses, but it is still a guess.

So my concern is that things like heart valves as well as many other conditions are very sensitive to viruses and infections. So if this virus can lay dormant for a period and who knows, months, years, it could then flair up and damage or destroy a previously damaged or replaced heart valve. And I am just using my condition as an example. There are many other conditions that are sensitive and vulnerable to viruses.

So my point is that the "toll" in deaths or serious complications, can't be measured today. The real toll could take years to accumulate. But deniers or people that are minimizing this virus for whatever reason, don't want to hear that.

Quote: kewlj

Some viruses don't leave the body.

You're absolutely correct about this.

As you know I had a combination kidney and pancreas transplant about 13 years ago. I'm susceptible to all kinds of infections because of the anti rejection drugs I take.

Early in 2019 I was hospitalized three times for infections. After the first two hospitalizations they thought a couple of days of IV antibiotics did the job.

But during the third hospitalization the doctors realized I needed 30 days of IV antibiotics to get the bug that was hiding in my body between flareups. Luckily i had the IV infusions at home with a visiting nurse and it only took 30 minutes each morning. Same nurse every day for 30 days.

That extended treatment worked. But it took them a while to figure it out.

(And the nurse was a cutie.)

Without long term data, you cannot claim to know long term consequences for a new virus. It really is that simple.

If people are claiming covid-19 has few long term consequences, they are arguing from a position of zero long term data. In addition, since having had it once does not necessarily convey long term immunity, there could be cumulative effects from getting it multiple times.

What you will see in the weeks ahead are more and more high priced athletes opting out of the sports seasons. They and their agents are making decisions based on both the best available medical advice and what they do NOT know about the virus.

Best wishes. I am sorry to hear of this. I wish you well and a complete recovery.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/29/health/covid-19-brain-effects-wellness/index.html

The above addresses possible long-term issues.

KJ

Hope you get better.

Leronlimab is being trialed on "Long-haulers" like yourself.

So there is hope down the line.

Depending on where you are maybe you can enroll in one of their trial sites

Quote: darkoz

KJ

Hope you get better.

Thank you.

Quote: darkoz

Leronlimab is being trialed on "Long-haulers" like yourself.
So there is hope down the line.
Depending on where you are maybe you can enroll in one of their trial sites

I hope you won't mind if I favor the advice and treatment of my hand picked highly regarded physicians over a guy on the internet "touting" medical advice because he has a financial interest in the stocks.

Quote: kewlj

Thank you.



I hope you won't mind if I favor the advice and treatment of my hand picked highly regarded physicians over a guy on the internet "touting" medical advice because he has a financial interest in the stocks.

It's your choice.

I would suggest doing your own due diligence.

Research Leronlimab.

Don't take my word for it

Quote: kewlj

I hope you won't mind if I favor the advice and treatment of my hand picked highly regarded physicians over a guy on the internet "touting" medical advice because he has a financial interest in the stocks.

Quit being so logical, that is what Big Brother wants you to do. I second Darkoz recommendation and I have quite a medical history after going through 23 surgeries. Just because I also own some Cytodyn isn't a good enough reason to ignore me. I also worked in medical research for 4 years. so I am probably a bigger expert than anyone that has only studied Covid for the last six months.

Quote: DRich

Quit being so logical, that is what Big Brother wants you to do. I second Darkoz recommendation and I have quite a medical history after going through 23 surgeries. Just because I also own some Cytodyn isn't a good enough reason to ignore me. I also worked in medical research for 4 years. so I am probably a bigger expert than anyone that has only studied Covid for the last six months.

Funny, DRich. :)

I am very proactive when it comes to my medical care, long before covid. I try to learn everything I can about my conditions. But reading information on Mayoclinic.com or JohnHospkins, doesn't substitute for the medical expertise of my physicians. It does allow me to be informed and ask questions.

It's kind of funny. I see two doctors regularly, My primary care doctor and my cardiologist. One of them loves that I try to read up and be as informed as I can, while the other is somewhat annoyed at it. He says things like "You aren't even supposed to be reading that kind of stuff".

I don't care. I am not trying to be an armchair doctor, but I do want to learn as much as I can and be as informed as possible about my health.

Quote: kewlj

I am very proactive when it comes to my medical care, long before covid. I try to learn everything I can about my conditions. But reading information on Mayoclinic.com or JohnHospkins, doesn't substitute for the medical expertise of my physicians. It does allow me to be informed and ask questions.

I had back surgery last year and my surgeon was a specialist at Johns Hopkins. He recommended the Cleveland Clinic website to me and suggested staying away from Webmd.com.

Quote: darkoz

It's your choice.

I would suggest doing your own due diligence.

Research Leronlimab.

Don't take my word for it

Anyone doubting Leronlimab is infested with spiritual demons or is messing around with alien DNA.

Quote: billryan

Anyone doubting Leronlimab is infested with spiritual demons or is messing around with alien DNA.

Why are you so against it?

Really good news is coming within weeks

Quote: kewlj

almost everything was gone except the fatigue.

I had it most of February and
the fatigue is still here. I never
took naps, now I take two a
day. One after I've been up
4 hours, and another after
I've been up another 4. The
second nap is usually 90 min.
The first 30-45 min. Most of
my stamina is gone, but I'm
more than twice your age.

I know that first 4 hour wall
is coming so I get as much
done as possible. Fun times..

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/orioles/red-sox-sp-eduardo-rodriguez-diagnosed-heart-issue-after-covid-19-bout


Evidently what happened to you not so rare.

Quote: redietz

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/orioles/red-sox-sp-eduardo-rodriguez-diagnosed-heart-issue-after-covid-19-bout


Evidently what happened to you not so rare.

Not "rare" but not too common either at least yet, but I have read of a number of cases of myocarditis (inflammation around heart) in recent days. It is definitely a longer term issue, occurring months after initial infection and illness and we are now just getting to the point that we are months after the first outbreaks of March and April, so you may see more of this and other longer term issues coming to light.

Just to update the Eduardo Rodriguez situation, he has now been ruled out for the season.

In the article below, Rodriguez states that his doctor told him that 10-20% of people who had Covid-19 have later been diagnosed with Myocarditis. That seems an extraordinary high number. I haven't heard anything like that.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29579222/boston-red-sox-pitcher-eduardo-rodriguez-done-season-due-heart-issue

Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle itself.
Pericarditis is inflammation around (the pericardium) the heart.

Quote:

The Serum Institute is doing what a few other companies in the race for a vaccine are doing: mass-producing hundreds of millions of doses of a vaccine candidate that is still in trials and might not even work

There's some commitment.

Truthfully, it reminds me a bit of gold rush... Yeah, there will be real gold for some. But a lot of people are going to lose depending on speed, effectiveness and price.

Quote: EvenBob

I had it most of February ..

Lol

Quote: 21forme

Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle itself.
Pericarditis is inflammation around (the pericardium) the heart.

True. And while I am currently being treated for Pericarditis and Eduard Rodriguez is being treated for Myocarditis, both are heart related complications (inflation) as a direct result of a virus, in this case covid-19.

The big picture that I don't think enough people yet understand is that there are more long term complications associated with this virus, that medical/science experts are just beginning to understand, because we are just now getting into the longer term time frame. Complications with heart, brain, and other organs.

According to statistics, I have had covid 19 (tested positive), and recovered (later tested positive for antibodies). So I am in that "recovered" category. I don't feel recovered. Between the extreme fatigue that I have not been able to shake for months, decreased lung capacity, causing me to get winded like someone far beyond my years, and chest pain and pressure that lead to my pericarditis diagnosis, I am just no where near where I was before contracting this virus.

When my fatigue went on long after all other symptoms disappeared, I just assumed this was some kind of lingering symptom. But as more and more people who have supposedly "recovered" get into months after the initial illness and are still dealing with all sorts of issues, including some that pop up months later, it is becoming quite clear there are definite long-term "issues" with this virus.

It all goes back to one simple thing. This is a new virus, that the doctors are just beginning to understand. Really, I just want my F***ing life and health back to where it was 5 months ago. :(

Quote: EvenBob

I had it most of February...

Wow! That means you're the new COVID19 Index Case for Michigan. That predates the prior Michigan Index Case by several weeks. The state Department of Health and Human Services, the CDC, the NIH, the WHO and a slew of research institutes will probably be contacting you shortly for tests and details. Thanks for your contribution to science.

Quote: UP84

Wow! That means you're the new COVID19 Index Case for Michigan. That predates the prior Michigan Index Case by several weeks. The state Department of Health and Human Services, the CDC, the NIH, the WHO and a slew of research institutes will probably be contacting you shortly for tests and details. Thanks for your contribution to science.

There is no penalty for lying on WoV. And likewise, there is no penalty for pointing it out!

KEWLJ.... two things... you are a zillion times more likely to get pericarditis than the average Joe because of your two previous open heart surgeries! The pericardium, usually NEVER touched, has been sliced through......

You keep saying your lung capacity is diminished? Are you aware that there are what are called "pulmonary function tests" that will tell you if that is true or not? Your lungs may be normal and you just may be tired for another reason. As an example, anemia (I'm sure your doctors would know if you are anemic) can cause tiredness and a feeling of shortness of breath. So could obesity. So could lots of things.

You mentioned a bunch of doctors that are taking care of you, but neglected to mention an Infectious Disease specialist? I can assure you, if I get COVID-19, I'm not having my internist, who I like A LOT, be in charge of my COVID-19 related care. Especially with your serious side issue, being an artificial valve, I'd certainly see an ID specialist. I can refer you to one in Vegas! (I get no kickback...!)

Severe air pollution can cause a severe shortness of breath, especially after COVID-19. I've got my ionizers with UV lamp here.

Quote: EvenBob

I had it most of February.

Quote: UP84

Wow! That means you're the new COVID19 Index Case for Michigan. That predates the prior Michigan Index Case by several weeks. The state Department of Health and Human Services, the CDC, the NIH, the WHO and a slew of research institutes will probably be contacting you shortly for tests and details. Thanks for your contribution to science.

They may have to do an autopsy to see what's wrong with him.

Quote: mcallister3200

Lol

Yeah, me and my doc thought
it was hilarious too. A real riot.

Quote: SOOPOO

There is no penalty for lying on WoV.

What are you talking about. I've
mentioned this several times
here. I took an Uber ride on
Jan 24th and got sicker than
I've ever been 10 days later.
Extreme fatigue, and all the
symptoms. My doc told me
later it was covid 19 after he
had treated a bunch of other
patients. I talked about this
here months ago.

Quote: EvenBob

What are you talking about. I've
mentioned this several times
here. I took an Uber ride on
Jan 24th and got sicker than
I've ever been 10 days later.
Extreme fatigue, and all the
symptoms. My doc told me
later it was covid 19 after he
had treated a bunch of other
patients. I talked about this
here months ago.

Oh... ok... thanks.... like because you 'talked about it' that means it is true! Come on!!!!!! Your 'doctor' made the diagnosis retroactively with NO ANTIBODY test? It is not a zero percent chance you had it then, but darn close to it. Others have pointed out your flawed timeline. Last post on this for me. The rest of the forum knows you didn't have it then but post away to your heart's content, if it makes you feel good.

Quote: SOOPOO

Your 'doctor' made the diagnosis

Yup, he did. And I'm taking his
diagnosis over some retired
gas passer on an a chat forum
that has never seen me as a
patient. Get real.

Quote: EvenBob

Yup, he did. And I'm taking his
diagnosis over some retired
gas passer on an a chat forum
that has never seen me as a
patient. Get real.

You didn't have it. Your doctor is a moron.

Hang on for a minute. I recall reading some reports that COVID-19 might have actually started in the fall of 2019 and could have been in the USA as early as last November.

Is there a real "start date" for it?

Or is everyone just guessing?

Quote: AlanMendelson

Hang on for a minute. I recall reading some reports that COVID-19 might have actually started in the fall of 2019 and could have been in the USA as early as last November.

Yup. And the Uber driver was
an airport driver, that's where
he sat all day in between fares.
So the chances are good he
picked up an Asian who had
it. My doctor said he's pretty
convinced I had it, though at
the time he thought it was a
severe flu. I've mentioned
this here several times and
now people are paying attention?
I know I talked about it back when
Kewl first mentioned him having
it. He asked me if I had been tested.

Quote: AlanMendelson

Hang on for a minute. I recall reading some reports that COVID-19 might have actually started in the fall of 2019 and could have been in the USA as early as last November.

Is there a real "start date" for it?

Or is everyone just guessing?

Yeah, there is some "guessing" going on here. lol

Start date? who knows because China covered up and lied for who knows how long....as long as they could. :)

I read reports that there MAY have been cases in California, late last year, Late November and December. I also know a couple people that worked at CES, the biggest annual show/convention in Vegas the first week in January that swear they got covid at that show. That show does draw from all over the world, so it is possible, just like California is possible, but these things don't fit the timeline of when cases really began spreading here is the U.S.

Similarly EvenBob could have possibly contracted earlier than common spread in the U.S. Possibly, but I would bet against it. Let's not forget December, January, February IS FLU season as well and many symptoms are the same. We didn't even have a test to confirm until March, so anything prior to that the wasn't confirmed by a test is doubtful to me. Not impossible, but doubtful.

EvenBob, did at any time you get the antibody test to confirm that you had it? Your doctor could have ordered that months after just to confirm.

" What do we mean when we say a person “tests positive” for Covid-19?

We don’t actually mean they have been found to “have” it."

" I am in the rare position of having known, spent time with, and interviewed the inventor of the method used in the presently available Covid-19 tests, which is called PCR, (Polymerase Chain Reaction.)"

https://www.anti-empire.com/the-inventor-of-the-pcr-technique-would-be-the-first-to-say-its-not-fit-for-diagnostic-purposes/

Even the antibody test is unreliable and there are cases where patients get the disease twice.

No one knows.
Everyone is guessing.
Just wear a mask.
And close the casinos. I'm tired of seeing men leave the restroom without washing their hands... both before and after the start of Covid.

Quote: AlanMendelson

Even the antibody test is unreliable and there are cases where patients get the disease twice.

I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn express last night, so take my thoughts for what you may but it is my understanding the "quick" type antibody tests, like a finger prick are not all that reliable. The full blown blood tests are more reliable.

I also have some thoughts on getting the disease twice based on everything I have read and discussed with my doctor. The big question continues to be how long does any immunity last? With some viruses it is a lifetime, some a year, some only a couple months. Early indications are immunity from antibodies for this virus may be more towards the months or shorter period. IF THAT IS THE CASE, people can contract this virus twice.

BUT, because we are just now getting to the "months" after for most people that contracted this virus, I suspect anyone that "thinks" they may have gotten the virus twice, probably hasn't, and that includes the group in South Korea that tested positive a second time after being clear and the some of the military people on the Aircraft carrier that also tested positive a second time after being cleared.

As we discussed earlier, viruses don't necessarily leave the body. The virus can be reduced to a level that is all but undetectable and lay dormant for a period, some times years, sometimes decades, before it begins to flare up and reproduce again. If I had to guess or bet, I would guess that is what is occurring with some people that are testing positive after having "recovered" rather than a second infection at this point. But only time and better testing will tell.

Theoretically if the timeline is Covid-19 was here in the fall then I fail to see how it came here from China in the winter.

Many people flew TO China last fall.

It's really going to bust the bubbles of those people insisting on calling it The Chinese virus and the Wuhan Flu if it turns out it originated in the US.

Quote: darkoz

Theoretically if the timeline is Covid-19 was here in the fall then I fail to see how it came here from China in the winter.

Many people flew TO China last fall.

It's really going to bust the bubbles of those people insisting on calling it The Chinese virus and the Wuhan Flu if it turns out it originated in the US.

I dont understand your reasoning. Are you saying people flew to China in the fall.... but no one from China flew here?

Or do you want to blame it on starting in the USA? But the virus cleverly appeared in China first?

Quote: AlanMendelson

I dont understand your reasoning. Are you saying people flew to China in the fall.... but no one from China flew here?

Or do you want to blame it on starting in the USA? But the virus cleverly appeared in China first?

It appeared in China in December.

You are saying it was in America in the Fall.

So please explain how it started in China after it was here in the Fall

Or are you now saying it wasn't here in the Fall

Quote: darkoz

It appeared in China in December.

You are saying it was in America in the Fall.

So please explain how it started in China after it was here in the Fall

Or are you now saying it wasn't here in the Fall

We began hearing about this virus in December. But that doesn't mean that is when it started. It is starting to look like China had cases and tried to hide it for some period before, maybe months.

If that is the case and there were cases in china in October and November, is it impossible someone traveled from China to the US, maybe California, maybe china town in SF in November? Is it possible someone from China traveled to the U.S. the first week in January to attend the consumer electronic show (CES) in Vegas. Not to stereotype but Chinese and those of Chinese heritage are kind of into Consumer electronics?

So these things are possible. We just don't know because China wasn't upfront about this virus and tried to cover up for so long, until they absolutely couldn't anymore

Quote: kewlj

We began hearing about this virus in December. But that doesn't mean that is when it started. It is starting to look like China had cases and tried to hide it for some period before, maybe months.

If that is the case and there were cases in china in October and November, is it impossible someone traveled from China to the US, maybe California, maybe china town in SF in November? Is it possible someone from China traveled to the U.S. the first week in January to attend the consumer electronic show (CES) in Vegas. Not to stereotype but Chinese and those of Chinese heritage are kind of into Consumer electronics?

So these things are possible. We just don't know because China wasn't upfront about this virus and tried to cover up for so long, until they absolutely couldn't anymore

So if it was in America in the Fall were we hiding it too?

A virus with a two week incubation and no one noticed for a few months? Not even when cases started being reported in China in December?

Seems like hokey timing to me

Quote: darkoz

So if it was in America in the Fall were we hiding it too?

A virus with a two week incubation and no one noticed for a few months? Not even when cases started being reported in China in December?

Seems like hokey timing to me

Given: A new virus is somehow transferred from a bat to a human (almost certainly in China.)

How would any early patient or their physician know it was a completely novel virus? All they know is that the patient has a virus with some symptoms typical of influenza. No one had isolated the virus and done genetic decoding. Certainly no tests for coronavirus existed -heck the virus hadn't even been defined.

Why is this so hard to understand? When you get a virus, DarkOz, do you know what it is? Does your doctor do a PCR test and determine what your virus is? Of course not.

The fact that China did genetic de-coding of the virus by December makes me wonder whether it had only been around for a few weeks.

Quote: gordonm888

Given: A new virus is somehow transferred from a bat to a human (almost certainly in China.)

How would any early patient or their physician know it was a completely novel virus? All they know is that the patient has a virus with some symptoms typical of influenza. No one had isolated the virus and done genetic decoding. Certainly no tests for coronavirus existed -heck the virus hadn't even been defined.

Why is this so hard to understand? When you get a virus, DarkOz, do you know what it is? Does your doctor do a PCR test and determine what your virus is? Of course not.

The fact that China did genetic de-coding of the virus by December makes me wonder whether it had only been around for a few weeks.

The man that invented PCR in the link above says that PCR is not to be used for diagnosing.

Quote: gordonm888

Given: A new virus is somehow transferred from a bat to a human (almost certainly in China.)

How would any early patient or their physician know it was a completely novel virus? All they know is that the patient has a virus with some symptoms typical of influenza. No one had isolated the virus and done genetic decoding. Certainly no tests for coronavirus existed -heck the virus hadn't even been defined.

Why is this so hard to understand? When you get a virus, DarkOz, do you know what it is? Does your doctor do a PCR test and determine what your virus is? Of course not.

The fact that China did genetic de-coding of the virus by December makes me wonder whether it had only been around for a few weeks.

So now we are to believe the virus which is killing a thousand per day was here for months in the Fall and killed no one.

It wasn't deadly at all?

Or it was deadly and doctors in the USA didn't notice a lot of people dying from it?

Come on, this virus wasn't here in the Fall.

I do believe it came from China. But it didn't come to America before it appeared in China this winter

I think (If I wanted to take the time) you can track the spread from the way it hit different countries. Italy was getting hit pretty hard, but not much was happening here yet by comparison. And 'China was already out of control before that.

It's pretty hard for me to believe, from the way this disease spreads that it could be here for months earlier.

"In its latest Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, researchers at the U.S. Centers for Diseases Control (CDC) say that there were limited instances of COVID-19 in the U.S. during most of January, and that SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes the disease, didn’t start to spread widely until the end of the month and into February." -June 01, 2020

There Were Limited COVID-19 Cases in the U.S. During Most of January, Says New CDC Report

So, EvenBob claiming that he had Covid-19 in February is certainly possible.

First we have this from you from the CORONAVIRUS MATH thread:

Quote: EvenBob

...The last person I would ask for advice
from is a doctor. They're all doom and
gloomers, always predicting the worst
to keep their asses from being sued.
Doctors always endorse the worst case
scenario, always playing the CYA game.

Now we have this:

Quote: EvenBob

Yup, he did. And I'm taking his
diagnosis over some retired
gas passer on an a chat forum
that has never seen me as a
patient. Get real.

Quote: gordonm888

"In its latest Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, researchers at the U.S. Centers for Diseases Control (CDC) say that there were limited instances of COVID-19 in the U.S. during most of January, and that SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes the disease, didn’t start to spread widely until the end of the month and into February." -June 01, 2020

There Were Limited COVID-19 Cases in the U.S. During Most of January, Says New CDC Report

So, EvenBob claiming that he had Covid-19 in February is certainly possible.

I don't dispute that

But EB says he wasn't even tested.

So he and his doctor are guessing

When I had kidney stones I described my symptoms to my doctor without knowing what it was. My doctor said instantly"Sounds like Kidney stones. But we have to confirm with a blood test and urinalysis".

It turned out he was dead on. But he still took the tests. He didn't just say, "yep, kidney stones, go home"