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EvenBob
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November 21st, 2010 at 3:49:29 PM permalink
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I just watched Casino again last week; an awesome film.



I don't like Casino, its just a bad remake of 'Goodfellas' with the same director and cast. Its even has a narrator, just like 'Goodfellas'. And I can't stand Sharon Stone in anything, she can't act. Can anybody find a sliver of difference between Joe Pechi's character in either movie? Its the same person.
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November 21st, 2010 at 4:13:24 PM permalink
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"A Big Hand for the Little Lady" 1966

Henry Fonda, Joanne Woodward, Jason Robards, Bergis Meredith, et. al.

The big-money poker game has some tough table rules, and the gambling and bluffing go well beyond the table. It is drama and comedy combined. The first time I saw it, I thought we had reached the end of the story about three times. If you thought "The Sting" had some surprise twists, try this one on for size.

Ding, dong, ding!

I was gonna suggest this!
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November 21st, 2010 at 5:50:57 PM permalink
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I don't like Casino, its just a bad remake of 'Goodfellas' with the same director and cast. Its even has a narrator, just like 'Goodfellas'. And I can't stand Sharon Stone in anything, she can't act. Can anybody find a sliver of difference between Joe Pechi's character in either movie? Its the same person.



I can see that. I think it's the only Sharon Stone role that is any good, otherwise I just don't get her. Pesci is the same in everything! I think he fits really well in Casino AND Goodfellas; the definition of a character actor, I suppose. I like both films. He and DeNiro are like "Scorcese tools"; they turn up in a lot of his stuff.

I would think that the more one knows about Vegas, the less one would like Casino; do you think that holds true in your case? Serious question.
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November 21st, 2010 at 5:55:46 PM permalink
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I would think that the more one knows about Vegas, the less one would like Casino; do you think that holds true in your case? Serious question.



'Casino' is a gangster movie and has little to nothing to do with Vegas. Its just gangsters in a casino instead of gangsters in NJ.
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November 21st, 2010 at 6:06:23 PM permalink
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Quote: Mosca

I would think that the more one knows about Vegas, the less one would like Casino; do you think that holds true in your case? Serious question.



'Casino' is a gangster movie and has little to nothing to do with Vegas. Its just gangsters in a casino instead of gangsters in NJ.



Point taken, I agree; you are right. But that raises another question: to what degree is a movie more about the gambling, and less about the use of gambling as a plot device? Again, serious question. You've made an important distinction, I think. Of the movies suggested, which would you say are gambling movies, and which not? (I'm not setting you up, I really want to know.)
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November 21st, 2010 at 6:24:12 PM permalink
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Of the movies suggested, which would you say are gambling movies, and which not? (I'm not setting you up, I really want to know.)



None of them are 'gambling' movies, they're about gamblers and their quirks and antics. A movie about gambling would be about as boring as gambling itself. Casino gambling is about winning and losing money, its not about the game you're playing. You can never portray this in a movie, its an emotional experience.
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November 21st, 2010 at 6:31:32 PM permalink
Fair enough. I'm going to think about this for a while, and see if I can come up with something that works. It might be a movie that has nothing to do with casino gambling, but is about gambling.

Risky Business? ("Sometimes you just gotta say, 'What the fuck.'")
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November 21st, 2010 at 6:42:12 PM permalink
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Quote: Mosca

I would think that the more one knows about Vegas, the less one would like Casino; do you think that holds true in your case? Serious question.



'Casino' is a gangster movie and has little to nothing to do with Vegas. Its just gangsters in a casino instead of gangsters in NJ.



"Casino" was based on the Stardust and has everything to do with Vegas. The book has far more detail and the more I read about the backgrounnd the more I like the movie. Same guy wrote both books, same director, most of same cast; so it does look like "Goodfellas." But it was well done.

From what I have learned though, it makes Tony Spilotro (Pesci) look far less violent than the real person. It ignores a lot of Rosenthal's (DiNero) involvement. Gerri Rosenthal (Stone) seems the most right-on portrayal to real life.
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EvenBob
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November 21st, 2010 at 8:41:00 PM permalink
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"Casino" was based on the Stardust and has everything to do with Vegas.



Well, it certainly looked nothing like the Stardust or any other casino I was in circa late 70's. The ceilings were generally low, the gambling areas smaller than today and really smokey. I never saw anybody acting like gangsters, although there were tough looking guys in suits in some casinos. When I watch 'Casino' I never think of Vegas at all.
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November 21st, 2010 at 8:46:06 PM permalink
I like depressing gambling movies. The reality of losing is far more interesting than the fantasy of winning.

Hard Eight was pretty good. Gotta love Phil Hoffman in an early bit role as an obnoxious craps player! I didn't like The Cooler. It tried to hard to make the main character pathetic. The best movie was "Owning Mahoney." Very little gambling action, but showed the downward spiral into addiction very well: "You know you just brought a curse to this table."

"Yonkers Joe" is a good movie and I think one of the few dice-only flicks. It was shot at the Plaza.
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