When will casinos open?
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ohs-fatality-inquiry-cargill-1.5541655
This shows just how fast this COVID 19 can explode in numbers
While i am employed in the casino industry by a major casino company, i will tell you that there will be major changes made. As of this time, we are still waiting to finalize what those changes and new protocols will be,
I also get the impression from many, that they believe they have rights to say what is what within the casinos. Please remember, that casinos are private property and you can be removed for basically anything at anytime.
Quote: Marcusclark66I read numerous responses where many have the casinos all figured out. Nice dreams.
While i am employed in the casino industry by a major casino company, i will tell you that there will be major changes made. As of this time, we are still waiting to finalize what those changes and new protocols will be,
I also get the impression from many, that they believe they have rights to say what is what within the casinos. Please remember, that casinos are private property and you can be removed for basically anything at anytime.
What do I do if the guy across the blackjack table from me covers his mouth when he coughs, and then picks up his chip and puts it in the betting circle ?
You can wipe down the chairs and ashtrays every 5 minutes if you want. As long as we are all handling the same cards, chips, dice and touching the same slot machines, casinos will be at the top of the list of virus spreading culprits
Thorough contact tracing will be the casino industry’s worst nightmare.
Quote: michael99000What do I do if the guy across the blackjack table from me covers his mouth when he coughs, and then picks up his chip and puts it in the betting circle ?
You can wipe down the chairs and ashtrays every 5 minutes if you want. As long as we are all handling the same cards, chips, dice and touching the same slot machines, casinos will be at the top of the list of virus spreading culprits
Thorough contact tracing will be the casino industry’s worst nightmare.
And at the gas station?
At the supermarket?
At the other stores?
In public buildings as well?
Nothing guarantees you will not inherit the virus inside of a casino, the exact same as you just picked up a package of chicken or beef someone else just touched that sneezed directly into their hand and touched that package.
But fact is, casinos are private property. I am not in the legal department, I am in surveillance and related. Liability would be if a casino had knowledge and failed to perform due diligence to protect others.
Quote: Marcusclark66And at the gas station?
At the supermarket?
At the other stores?
In public buildings as well?
Nothing guarantees you will not inherit the virus inside of a casino, the exact same as you just picked up a package of chicken or beef someone else just touched that sneezed directly into their hand and touched that package.
But fact is, casinos are private property. I am not in the legal department, I am in surveillance and related. Liability would be if a casino had knowledge and failed to perform due diligence to protect others.
Technically, any business is private property.
Whatever protocols are instituted will be signed off by the Governor....or disallowed.
I HAVE to assume there is going to be conformity....meaning each casino will NOT make their own rules.
While Wynn submitted an outline....Wynn is not going to dictate to the Governor. If that was the case then each casino on the strip could have their own rules. I’d bet my right arm no way.
I’ll be watching very closely if health and welfare is priority 1....or other agendas take precedence. My wager is health and welfare will not be priority 1 on all facets of reopening.
In reopening, however, the casinos will be gambling.
Whether its a wise gamble is debatable.
I happen to think its a good bet, but I don't own a casino.
The event is scheduled for May Day, which is also the international phonetic call for assistance.
Quote: michael99000What do I do if the guy across the blackjack table from me covers his mouth when he coughs, and then picks up his chip and puts it in the betting circle ?
Tell him dealers are not allowed to bet while on duty?
Quote: TDVegasIf you really want to be honest about this whole thing....it’s likely unworkable until a vaccine arrives.
Psychologically, a lot of people are going to be on pins and needles if someone coughs in their direction, smokes in their direction, stands too close.
It’s a fear factor. The fear alone will drive business into the gutter.
All this wishful thinking on a vaccine. Like we are in "Outbreak" and they will just make it. A vaccine will probably be years to decades, unless they rush something out and claim it works.
IMHO all you need to do is look at the current attitudes and positions. Look at the divide on "open it up." The people demonstrating and supporting opening it up are not going to let some stinking virus change their plans. If they liked the casino before they will happily go play again and want it to be back to normal. They will want all places to go back to normal. They are not afraid.
On the other side is the people who hate the position of the first group. While the will not keep the current stay at home routine, they will want every assurance everything possible has been done to "keep them safe." They want the cheques cleaned between every hand and every patron to wear masks. They will really avoid things at first, and for as long as the virus is in the news. When it is off the news they will find something else to be afraid of.
The question is, what percent of the population makes up each group. I think it is fairly near 50/50, maybe a slight tilt to the first group. That is among Americans, Asian tourists probably lean more heavy to the 2nd. Casino players probably skew to the first group.
Quote: AZDuffmanThe question is, what percent of the population makes up each group. I think it is fairly near 50/50, maybe a slight tilt to the first group. That is among Americans, Asian tourists probably lean more heavy to the 2nd. Casino players probably skew to the first group.
It’s not even close to 50/50.
The “open it up now” crowd is a small chunk of the population (albeit a very vocal one).
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/20/politics/polls-stay-at-home-orders/index.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/494028-poll-more-than-70-percent-of-americans-support-stay-at-home-orders
Quote: Marcusclark66
I also get the impression from many, that they believe they have rights to say what is what within the casinos. Please remember, that casinos are private property and you can be removed for basically anything at anytime.
But they are HEAVILY regulated businesses. They are told how much they MUST (minimum) pay out on a given slot machine. They are told what the maximum occupancy of the casino floor is. They are told that they must restrict access to minors.
No individual will be able to tell a casino what to do. But society, through gaming control boards, health rules, building codes, etc... tell casinos what to do everyday. If the State Health Board says all patrons must wear a mask...... it happens. If they say only 3 people at a table.... done.
Imagine being a lobbyist representing the casinos today.... fun times!
Quote: FleaStiffEveryone on this board used to always intone a recurring mantra: The Players do the gambling, the Casino relies on the House Edge and does not gamble.
In reopening, however, the casinos will be gambling.
Whether its a wise gamble is debatable.
I happen to think its a good bet, but I don't own a casino.
The event is scheduled for May Day, which is also the international phonetic call for assistance.
I will tell you something without naming the chain that I am employed by. As I said it's a major chain let's call it one of the top five in the world for gaming. It was a circulated internal memo inquiring with salarieded employees that have been with the company for more than 5 years, if they would consider taking cash out of all 401k and related benefits along with a suggested bonus to be in full agreement for company liquidation.
I was kind of amazed when it came across my computer screen. Every avenue I'm sure is being considered by upper management..
Quote: Marcusclark66I will tell you something without naming the chain that I am employed by. As I said it's a major chain let's call it one of the top five in the world for gaming. It was a circulated internal memo inquiring with salarieded employees that have been with the company for more than 5 years, if they would consider taking cash out of all 401k and related benefits along with a suggested bonus to be in full agreement for company liquidation.
I was kind of amazed when it came across my computer screen. Every avenue I'm sure is being considered by upper management..
Not sure I understand what you are saying? Taking cash out of a 401k before retiring is a big tax no-no. (There are a few exceptions). Why would the company benefit if you took money out of your 401k? Why would the company care if middle management employees were in 'full agreement for company liquidation"? Bonus meaning a payoff?
Quote: AZDuffmanAll this wishful thinking on a vaccine. Like we are in "Outbreak" and they will just make it. A vaccine will probably be years to decades, unless they rush something out and claim it works.
I expect we will have herd immunity in a year, vaccine or no vaccine. To me, that's likely the final time frame no matter what, short of another virus being unleashed on us.
Quote: Marcusclark66And at the gas station?
At the supermarket?
At the other stores?
In public buildings as well?
Nothing guarantees you will not inherit the virus inside of a casino, the exact same as you just picked up a package of chicken or beef someone else just touched that sneezed directly into their hand and touched that package.
But fact is, casinos are private property. I am not in the legal department, I am in surveillance and related. Liability would be if a casino had knowledge and failed to perform due diligence to protect others.
Just like a cruise ship is private property -the captain can have you removed from the ship at any port at any time for any reason. And yet, people who caught covid-19 are suing the cruise ships.
You are correct on one thing. You are not a lawyer. If you indeed are any kind of employee of any kind of casino operations corporation, I suggest to you that you should stop representing yourself as such and publishing legal opinions on this forum.
And frankly, I don't care how private your property is. The issue is when people will choose to return to your casinos, not whether you can choose to throw them out. If your private properties are perceived as covid-19 death traps for the elderly, obese and other high-risk categories, then they will be shunned. Because every person is the mayor of their movements and the governor of their lives, and each individual will make their own decisions about where they go.
Santa Ynez, CA
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Santa Ynez, CA
May 31st
How dare you make an on topic post.
These dates might just be an attempt to gather or gauge "interest" from customers.
Frankly, I've grown more pessimistic each day that any day in May is in play. The hurdles are monumental.
The 14 day downward trend is not clearly spelled out...so we are still in the dark.
A friend works as mid-management for a business on The Linq and he says Caesars has sent letters telling business's they will be in violation of their leases if they don't open within 24 hours of the casinos re-opening.
Quote: GialmereThere's a story on the back burners saying that, although smokers fair poorly if hospitalized by Covid-19, they are far less likely to be hospitalized by it in the first place. Naturally this has caused a huge uproar.
If it's true, however, I think only smokers should be allowed in casinos for the first week or two after they reopen. Then once the smokers have made the gaming area's atmosphere sufficiently toxic with second hand smoke should the nonsmokers be allowed in to breath safe air.
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Hmm... It appears the observation in several countries that smokers are far less likely to contract coronavirus is picking up steam and being tested in France. Will nicotine patches become harder to get than toilet paper? Strange days.
Full story at The Daily Mail
Quote: billryanDoes anyone plan on being in a casino within the first 24 hours of them opening?
A friend works as mid-management for a business on The Linq and he says Caesars has sent letters telling business's they will be in violation of their leases if they don't open within 24 hours of the casinos re-opening.
Depends on the mood I am in and the day of the week.
Quote: rxwineI expect we will have herd immunity in a year, vaccine or no vaccine. To me, that's likely the final time frame no matter what, short of another virus being unleashed on us.
Herd Immunity would be better than a vaccine with the later's unavoidable side effects. A new virus will be unleashed eventually. History shows it. Hopefully a more balanced reaction next time.
Quote: MagicKithey'll open up when they have to, when all this world madness is over, don't you think?
That's some really great insight. Thanks for joining.
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Quote: GialmereQuote: GialmereThere's a story on the back burners saying that, although smokers fair poorly if hospitalized by Covid-19, they are far less likely to be hospitalized by it in the first place. Naturally this has caused a huge uproar.
If it's true, however, I think only smokers should be allowed in casinos for the first week or two after they reopen. Then once the smokers have made the gaming area's atmosphere sufficiently toxic with second hand smoke should the nonsmokers be allowed in to breath safe air.
Full Story at TechStartUps
Hmm... It appears the observation in several countries that smokers are far less likely to contract coronavirus is picking up steam and being tested in France. Will nicotine patches become harder to get than toilet paper? Strange days.
Full story at The Daily Mail
Let's see, is it worth possibly getting hooked on nicotine patches? Geez. I gave up cigs years ago.
Quote: GialmereQuote: GialmereThere's a story on the back burners saying that, although smokers fair poorly if hospitalized by Covid-19, they are far less likely to be hospitalized by it in the first place. Naturally this has caused a huge uproar.
If it's true, however, I think only smokers should be allowed in casinos for the first week or two after they reopen. Then once the smokers have made the gaming area's atmosphere sufficiently toxic with second hand smoke should the nonsmokers be allowed in to breath safe air.
Full Story at TechStartUps
Hmm... It appears the observation in several countries that smokers are far less likely to contract coronavirus is picking up steam and being tested in France. Will nicotine patches become harder to get than toilet paper? Strange days.
Full story at The Daily Mail
Anyway, that's my non medical based question. I never went beyond biology 101 in college. But I did play several varsity sports and the coaches always said smokers didn't take in as much oxygen... and maybe they don't take in as much Covid -19 either?
Quote: alan.mendelsonDid any of these smoking studies consider reduced lung function of smokers? It seems to me that if someone isn't breathing deeply or normally or has lung function disturbed by smoking they may not be inhaling enough pathogens to take hold.
Anyway, that's my non medical based question. I never went beyond biology 101 in college. But I did play several varsity sports and the coaches always said smokers didn't take in as much oxygen... and maybe they don't take in as much Covid -19 either?
Did these same coaches say that sex weakened the legs?
This would be the nefarious plan if there was one. Some call these kinds of things pretext, where people become taught to expect and have a reaction. Next thing you know, 3 years from now, another outbreak, but there is a vaccine or medicine right away. This would be the evil plan to sterilize or eliminate the rest of the world. Of course I have speculated before I believe in time, there will be enough power to do it manually if desired by drones. Funny how some countries are more accepting of a lockdown than others, just read something which said Canadian support was unanimous, don't think the US is unanimous.Quote: AZDuffmanHerd Immunity would be better than a vaccine with the later's unavoidable side effects. A new virus will be unleashed eventually. History shows it. Hopefully a more balanced reaction next time.
Quote: billryanDid these same coaches say that sex weakened the legs?
No but if your blood sugar is high your blood carries less oxygen.
Quote: onenickelmiracleThis would be the nefarious plan if there was one. Some call these kinds of things pretext, where people become taught to expect and have a reaction. Next thing you know, 3 years from now, another outbreak, but there is a vaccine or medicine right away. This would be the evil plan to sterilize or eliminate the rest of the world. Of course I have speculated before I believe in time, there will be enough power to do it manually if desired by drones. Funny how some countries are more accepting of a lockdown than others, just read something which said Canadian support was unanimous, don't think the US is unanimous.
Canadians do not have the same independence mentality that Americans have. America was born of revolution, Canada was just kind of given their emancipation. Americans are taught about Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death from a young age. Canadians still have a weird 1% devotion to the Brits.
That is just Canada. Lots of nations have a "do as told" population. Not the USA so much. It goes to so many levels, for example, Americans are prized as pilots by non-western nations for their ability to think independent.
Americans will lock down for a legit emergency, WWII restrictions for an example. But they will not keep doing it when no benefit is being seen.
Quote: AZDuffmanCanadians do not have the same independence mentality that Americans have. America was born of revolution, Canada was just kind of given their emancipation. Americans are taught about Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death from a young age. Canadians still have a weird 1% devotion to the Brits.
That is just Canada. Lots of nations have a "do as told" population. Not the USA so much. It goes to so many levels, for example, Americans are prized as pilots by non-western nations for their ability to think independent.
Americans will lock down for a legit emergency, WWII restrictions for an example. But they will not keep doing it when no benefit is being seen.
Yes....the longer it goes, restlessness grows. Then the people will be looking for solid, known reasons to justify staying inside and watching netflix hour after hour.
Quote: alan.mendelsonDid any of these smoking studies consider reduced lung function of smokers? It seems to me that if someone isn't breathing deeply or normally or has lung function disturbed by smoking they may not be inhaling enough pathogens to take hold.
Anyway, that's my non medical based question. I never went beyond biology 101 in college. But I did play several varsity sports and the coaches always said smokers didn't take in as much oxygen... and maybe they don't take in as much Covid -19 either?
The lungs become coated with yellowed nicotine lung mucus which acts like insecticide would to an ant. Same crap long term smokers cough up regularly.
(I have no idea really)
Quote: AxelWolf
The nurses were a little short for smokes Wednesday night...........
https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/canadian-nurse-charged-with-smuggling-150-pounds-of-pot-into-detroit-amid-coronavirus
I fear that the casino in Windsor will open before the ones in Detroit .... the area around and including Detroit has more deaths from this virus than all of Canada.
The Detroit area with a population of about 4 million compared to Canada 37.5 million . Canada 2150 deaths just the county that Detroit is in has 1400..... downtown Detroit is half a mile away from the front doors of Caesars Windsor. County Windsor is in has 31 deaths with population of 400,000
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/23/politics/leisure-travel-restrictions/index.html
Quote: onenickelmiracleFunny how some countries are more accepting of a lockdown than others, just read something which said Canadian support was unanimous, don't think the US is unanimous.
UNANIMOUS! Yeah, right. What a ridiculous claim.
Quote: GialmereQuote: GialmereThere's a story on the back burners saying that, although smokers fair poorly if hospitalized by Covid-19, they are far less likely to be hospitalized by it in the first place. Naturally this has caused a huge uproar.
If it's true, however, I think only smokers should be allowed in casinos for the first week or two after they reopen. Then once the smokers have made the gaming area's atmosphere sufficiently toxic with second hand smoke should the nonsmokers be allowed in to breath safe air.
Full Story at TechStartUps
Hmm... It appears the observation in several countries that smokers are far less likely to contract coronavirus is picking up steam and being tested in France. Will nicotine patches become harder to get than toilet paper? Strange days.
Full story at The Daily Mail
Fearing store shelves will be wiped out, France has now put limits on the amount of nicotine gum and patches people may purchase.
Full story at the NY Post
”Once we believe we can accommodate more Guests, we will reopen to the general public. We will still be operating at reduced capacity and we don’t want the excitement of visiting our property spoiled due to waiting in line to get in. So we will offer a new reservation system for casino visits. This system will allow Guests to “reserve” a day and time in advance and will allow us to always keep the number of Guests and Team Members on property and on the casino floor at a safe number. Please expect more information on this system soon.”
Quote: michael99000Wind Creek Casino email says that going forward , they’ll only allow patrons to come in if they make a reservation. This is for just coming to gamble. Not a hotel room.
”Once we believe we can accommodate more Guests, we will reopen to the general public. We will still be operating at reduced capacity and we don’t want the excitement of visiting our property spoiled due to waiting in line to get in. So we will offer a new reservation system for casino visits. This system will allow Guests to “reserve” a day and time in advance and will allow us to always keep the number of Guests and Team Members on property and on the casino floor at a safe number. Please expect more information on this system soon.”
Very interesting. They must have guesstimated how long a patron will stay. If they want to limit to 100 at a time, and 100 are there at the open, when do they start letting more in?
Who decides what is 'a safe number'?
I assume there will be an ID check to make sure only those with reservations will get in?
We shall see.....
Quote: GialmereDo you think high rollers will get priority in this reservation queue?
I'm sure charter buses will be a priority.
Quote: GialmereDo you think high rollers will get priority in this reservation queue?
I'm sure charter buses will be a priority.
Quote: GialmereDo you think high rollers will get priority in this reservation queue?
I would hope so! If I'm a business that has been shut down for a few months and am just opening with far fewer patrons than I would normally have, darn tootin I would want my best customers back first!
Let's see.... $1,000 a hand baccarat player or guy who may drop $10 on a slot machine, will then just aimlessly walk around......
I play basketball in a Saturday church league. You must sign up by email. Church members may sign up Wednesday. The rest of us can sign up for remaining spots on Thursday. Seems analagous.
Quote: GialmereDo you think high rollers will get priority in this reservation uqueue?
Good question and good point.
I think every statement about casinos reopening is overly optimistic. If Nevada isn't rushing to reopen casinos what government will?
I have two overriding concerns:
1. The public won't have money to gamble after this shutdown
2. The casino workers won't return
Quote: GialmereDo you think high rollers will get priority in this reservation queue?
I think they’ll also want to make sure each reservation time slot is a mixture of player types. They don’t wanna let say 100 people in who are all slot players and have their table games dealers standing there doing nothing.
The big problem for me is how do they police the finishing time of my reservation. If I sign up for 6pm on a Friday night, do I have to be out by 8pm. What if i want to stay longer. What if I have a room that night. If I’m up big at my going home time are they going to make me leave even if I’m willing to risk losing it back.
This article about Opening Vegas, points out that that Wynn and other big LV names are also big players in Macao. Macao opened its casinos while also controlling -- virtually eliminating -- coronavirus cases. The big casinos now know how they can safely open and run a post-pandemic casino, because they are doing it in Macao. The Wynn protocols largely mirror the Macao procedures, according to the article.
For APs and recreational gamblers alike, I think this article paints the most realistic picture I've yet seen of the new gaming environment. The Macao/Wynn protocol will be adopted by the other big properties, and then copied by other gaming properties (perhaps with minor tweeks). Until folks figure out something better, this may be the "standard" just about everywhere.
