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Zcore13
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January 7th, 2020 at 9:05:34 PM permalink
Good post, well written and nicely executed.

Not sure why some people think it's a crime to reveal plays. Everyone is allowed to post anything they want (within the rules). There's no rule about posting AP insider info. I've posted Casino Management info. DRich has posted his knowledge. Mission has written articles about active slot plays. That's what we are here for. Discussion.


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I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
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January 7th, 2020 at 9:23:08 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

There's no rule about posting AP insider info.



No. But there should be. Messing with someone's bottom line Is a lot worse than a personal insult.

If this is allowed I think I'm done here.
darkoz
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January 7th, 2020 at 10:07:10 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

No. But there should be. Messing with someone's bottom line Is a lot worse than a personal insult.

If this is allowed I think I'm done here.



Are you saying you are personally doing card removal in tandem with doey/dont utilizing specific wagering to trigger mailers from casinos that have win/loss parameters in your state?

Or are you done here because you believe there may be some unidentified souls out there doing it?
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January 7th, 2020 at 10:23:13 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Are you saying you are personally doing card removal in tandem with doey/dont utilizing specific wagering to trigger mailers from casinos that have win/loss parameters in your state?

Or are you done here because you believe there may be some unidentified souls out there doing it?



Why do you keep digging the hole deeper?

You are screwing with many people's income here. You don't have any idea what the 342 different casino jurisdictions in this country do behind the scenes, how each one is programmed, where the flaws are, what software they run on, and which ones might relate to your particular weakness of 5 years ago.

Just stop. Really.
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darkoz
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January 7th, 2020 at 10:23:25 PM permalink
NYS has a singular and unique central server system according to this article (with only Washington state having anything remotely like it yet still different)

https://ggbmagazine.com/article/the-vlt-bounce/

So not sure who these mystery APs are doing secret card pulling in states with completely different central server systems

AND not to mention that the move is quite casino system reliant. If your casino doesn't care about wins and losses the move is pointless.

I suspect no one here even knows anyone doing it the way I described.
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January 7th, 2020 at 10:25:02 PM permalink
Ego’s gonna do what they do.
darkoz
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January 7th, 2020 at 10:32:01 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Why do you keep digging the hole deeper?

You are screwing with many people's income here. You don't have any idea what the 342 different casino jurisdictions in this country do behind the scenes, how each one is programmed, where the flaws are, what software they run on, and which ones might relate to your particular weakness of 5 years ago.

Just stop. Really.



If you are this frightened of a forum post wait till the book comes out.

Or are you putting publishing restrictions on as well?
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Rigondeaux
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January 7th, 2020 at 10:37:21 PM permalink
None of the above. I think it's a disingenuous question anyway.

Many professions have ethics.

One of the ethics of AP, like magic, is to keep things quiet. If too much is shared too widely, the profession is boned.

Who can you tell? Well we've all at least partly learned from others. And I myself will give plenty of advice to strangers in public here on this forum about sports.

The boundaries are fuzzy.

But just openly publicizing details of plays is way, way out of bounds. That much is obvious.

You've said things that can hurt someone's livelihood, revealing progressively more, like a child testing a teacher or parent. I guess it gives you some ego rush. Idk.

I'm not the smartest guy on earth. But I'm not dumb enough to participate in an enterprise which allows someone to mess with my livelihood so he can feel like a big shot online.

I'll be back if/when darkoz is gone.

Anyone who makes money gambling should follow suit.

See you guys at the next meet up.
darkoz
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January 7th, 2020 at 10:48:23 PM permalink
Truly sorry to see you go.

Anyway, make sure you dont read casinocitytimes.

They put out an article about card pulling in 2011.

Dont want it to disturb you.

http://robison.casinocitytimes.com/article/pulling-a-players-club-card-59639
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January 7th, 2020 at 10:49:13 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

If you are this frightened of a forum post wait till the book comes out.

Or are you putting publishing restrictions on as well?



It's not possible you don't get it. I'm done trying to get thru to you. There's no one there.
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