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AxelWolf
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January 6th, 2020 at 8:09:09 PM permalink
Quote: jjjoooggg

If she was allowed to video record this. Then we'd have proof. I believe that this is one of the reasons why casino's prohibit recording. I know of an old known trick that would be exposed if recording was allowed.

I don't think she expected to walk in and find somebody doing this.
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January 6th, 2020 at 8:58:31 PM permalink
It's kind of disturbing to think about. Funny to think that some of the same people orchestrating these kinds of moves probably hate APs for "stealing and cheating"
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January 6th, 2020 at 10:13:57 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

She told me that as she was walking Into The Wynn high-limit room she noticed an employee was resetting/deleting multipliers. I can't recall how many X's or what denomination, it was at least one 4 times multiplier on a $5 denomination or higher.



If I ever found something like that, it would mean I'm about to lose $225 . . .

Extremely slimy thing to do. I wonder if a talented lawyer could argue it falls under abandoned property. The hotel side is required to keep some of that for up to a few years. Obviously this is different than sun glasses or a Rolex. But as part of a financial transaction, that makes it even more egregious. Like a stock broker cleaning out an account just because it hadn't been touched for some time.
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January 6th, 2020 at 10:20:15 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

(I wonder how Zcore will defend the casino in this situation?)



There's really nothing to say if they followed all rules regarding the situation. I was an Interim Slot Manager for 6 months. We had Ultimate X machines. I never and would never reset them. I would also never attempt to dissuade or prevent someone from vulturing them.


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January 7th, 2020 at 5:05:35 AM permalink
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There's really nothing to say if they followed all rules regarding the situation. I was an Interim Slot Manager for 6 months. We had Ultimate X machines. I never and would never reset them. I would also never attempt to dissuade or prevent someone from vulturing them.


ZCore13



Was this a possible scenario?

"Hi boss, it's me, Zc, the interim slot manager. If we reprogram the (name type of machine here) to wipe out multipliers after 16 minutes of inactivity we will clear an extra $286 per shift on average. What say you, boss?"

Unless illegal, why WOULDN'T the casino do that?

I know it's been discussed before, but is it legal for a casino to have a dealer or pit boss count cards and reshuffle BECAUSE there is a positive count?
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January 7th, 2020 at 5:39:40 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I can get you in contact with her. I have a feeling she would love to speak to you about this.



Please make the introduction.
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January 7th, 2020 at 5:42:47 AM permalink
Quote: OOPS

I know it's been discussed before, but is it legal for a casino to have a dealer or pit boss count cards and reshuffle BECAUSE there is a positive count?



Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but at G2E one year there was an automatic shuffler that did this, only it just alerted the dealer if the count was significantly positive and let the dealer decide to shuffler early or not. I think Gaming ruled such preferential shuffling, aided by a device, would be illegal.

However, I've seen it happen lots of times where I raised my bet and a hand-held game got shuffled. This, I believe, doesn't break any regulations.
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January 7th, 2020 at 6:23:12 AM permalink
Quote: smurgerburger

This practice lowers the expected return of the game with optimal play to some unknown amount potentially lower than what regulators have approved. Seems to me that it would not be allowed.

well in Nevada, i think the minimal return on slots is 75%
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January 7th, 2020 at 6:35:05 AM permalink
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but at G2E one year there was an automatic shuffler that did this, only it just alerted the dealer if the count was significantly positive and let the dealer decide to shuffler early or not. I think Gaming ruled such preferential shuffling, aided by a device, would be illegal.

However, I've seen it happen lots of times where I raised my bet and a hand-held game got shuffled. This, I believe, doesn't break any regulations.

what's the difference between the shuffler counting and the eye in the sky counting, alerting the pitboss of a high count, and the pit boss telling the dealer to shuffle?
is the latter also illegal?
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January 7th, 2020 at 7:02:00 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Was this a possible scenario?

"Hi boss, it's me, Zc, the interim slot manager. If we reprogram the (name type of machine here) to wipe out multipliers after 16 minutes of inactivity we will clear an extra $286 per shift on average. What say you, boss?"

Unless illegal, why WOULDN'T the casino do that?

I know it's been discussed before, but is it legal for a casino to have a dealer or pit boss count cards and reshuffle BECAUSE there is a positive count?



I wouldn't have had to call anyone to reset machines. Just tell my slot techs to reboot them every so often. Like I said, I would never do it. I didnt care about vultures.

Some of the newer Ultimate X machines clear the multipliers by themselves. I'm pretty sure they came out with an "upgrade" that allowed casinos to have this feature.

Every State is different. In many States, a re-shuffle can be called anytime. In Az, we can shuffle whenever, flat bet someone, cut the deck in half, ask someone to not play blackjack any longer or ban them. I only flat bet counters when I was Director. That just makes them leave on their own.

Where I currently work, they ban them. Even if they've never played in the casino before. An email goes out telling us a known counter has been seen in area casinos and ban him/her on site if seen.


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