Celebrity Deaths
Quote: MDawgHe died of a heart attack. She went to the bathroom in a panic to get his pills slipped fell hit her head and died due to the blow or simply died from her own heart attack brought on by that panic stress.
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Don't forget the part where she locked the dog in the closet!!!
Quote: MDawgAssuming she did that, that might have been unrelated. Maybe the dog was misbehaving. Or simply was barking its head off and she couldn't deal with it and put it away while she was trying to figure out what to do. And then slipped and died, or had a heart attack of her own.
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Okay I will accept that as a possibility.
I'm less convinced of two heart attacks the same day between husband and wife.
I fully expect any cats of my acquaintance to continue quietly licking between their toes when they smell my demise.
Can’t say it’s an official source, but I read the chance of heart attack after a loved one dies increases 2000%.
Now, if you don’t get along maybe there is 1000% chance your happiness increases. I don’t know about any of that. Just what I read. Only the first part though.
Quote: darkozQuote: billryanQuote: darkozI'm going to hazard a guess then that it was domestic abuse
Pills were found scattered near the wife.
Being Gene was 95 and frail as seen two weeks before his death it was probably his wife beating him which maybe led to him dying from heart failure.
The dog came to his rescue but was confused as they both were his master. The wife locked the dog in the closet where it died later
The wife took pills as a suicide after what happened
That's a theory of mine based on the limited evidence and may be completely off base.
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Without any evidence, you decide to accuse his wife of domestic abuse. That is pathetic, although not surprising.
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Why is it pathetic and why is it not surprising?
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Exactly. I infer that this was meant to be insulting to darkoz. I don't see any other way to interpret billryan's post.
I am issuing a warning to billryan. No more personal insults. Especially we are all tired of your unprovoked belligerence towards darkoz. I would not be surprised if another moderator upgrades this to a suspension. I would have no problem with that.
Would you allow that conversation at your dinner table?
I haven't had a dialogue with DO in months. I've learned nothing is to be gained by engaging him, and until recently, he was on
ignore. If you think mindless speculation about domestic abuse is good for the forum, so be it. I stated my opinion and didn't respond to his reply.
I have no problem with DO. He is what he is, and does what he does. I do have a problem with anyone bring up domestic abuse accusations with out any evidence. Claiming a dead woman abused her spouse to the point of death is beyond the pale.
Quote: darkozQuote: MDawgAssuming she did that, that might have been unrelated. Maybe the dog was misbehaving. Or simply was barking its head off and she couldn't deal with it and put it away while she was trying to figure out what to do. And then slipped and died, or had a heart attack of her own.
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Okay I will accept that as a possibility.
I'm less convinced of two heart attacks the same day between husband and wife.
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You’ve never heard of someone being so grief stricken at a tragedy that befell a loved one that she dropped dead upon hearing the news?
Or of husband and wife deaths happening hard upon each other?
MICKEY *while fluffing Angle's hair*: Look at Jeannie's kid.
ANGIE: What? What happened?
MICKEY: The oldest one. He was in an argument. A lousy ten-dollar card game. The kid pulls out a gun. It goes off. The kid gets killed. The grandmother hears it and finds out he's been arrested. She has a heart attack. She drops dead right on the spot. Now Jeannie's got a husband and son in jail and a mother in the funeral parlor.
Quote: billryanPerhaps gordon can remind me of my unprovoked attacks on DO? I can't find any exchange in the last thousand posts. I see where he responded to posts I made but not one where I responded to him.
I have no problem with DO. He is what he is, and does what he does. I do have a problem with anyone bring up domestic abuse accusations with out any evidence. Claiming a dead woman abused her spouse to the point of death is beyond the pale.
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I completely agree that your behavior has been very good during the past year - or, since that long suspension that Wizard gave you. You've made many posts that have been some combination of erudite, interesting and well-written. I gave you only a warning here because it was an indirect/oblique insult and because I recognize and appreciate your contributions and recent effort.
In my comment, I was recalling the Leronimab thread and the period after that. I've noted a continuing tension between you and DO, although I hear your claim that you are innocent of "unprovoked attacks" recently. If my comment was indeed unfair, then I apologize.
Regarding your labeling of DO's theory as groundless domestic abuse accusations, I think that many of us are just trying to understand what could possibly have happened to cause the mysterious deaths of Hackman and Arakawa. I don't interpret these kind of comments as "accusations," just amateur sleuthing/guessing on a friendly social media thread.
Quote: billryanYou think accusing someone of domestic abuse or even manslaughter without any evidence isn't pathetic?
Would you allow that conversation at your dinner table?
I haven't had a dialogue with DO in months. I've learned nothing is to be gained by engaging him, and until recently, he was on
ignore. If you think mindless speculation about domestic abuse is good for the forum, so be it. I stated my opinion and didn't respond to his reply.
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I clearly stated this was just a hypothetical that could be completely wrong.
If you don't think domestic abuse occurs regularly and particularly elder abuse I don't know how to respond. It happens more often than you think.
I find leaving a dog locked in a closet to be abusive especially if it winds up starving to death. Based on that, if there is abuse towards an animal I see no reason someone wouldn't abuse a spouse.
We are all speculating and everyone has his opinion wrong or right we will all dig in until the investigation shows what actually happened.
Your insult was not just saying my conclusion was pathetic but also not surprising which I and Gordon also can only interpret as you find me to be pathetic in general.
I asked for clarification. You explained the pathetic part. Not the "hardly surprising" I'm pretty sure I understand why.
Quote: darkozQuote: MDawgAssuming she did that, that might have been unrelated. Maybe the dog was misbehaving. Or simply was barking its head off and she couldn't deal with it and put it away while she was trying to figure out what to do. And then slipped and died, or had a heart attack of her own.
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Okay I will accept that as a possibility.
I'm less convinced of two heart attacks the same day between husband and wife.
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That would be surprising but my wife's parents both died on the same day separately from old age. They went to notify her father that their mother passed and found the father dead.
Quote: darkozI find leaving a dog locked in a closet to be abusive especially if it winds up starving to death.link to original post
I would agree if her intent were to do that, but as I opined and you agreed was plausible, she might have simply put the dog away to keep it quiet while she was trying frantically to address the heart attack of her husband.
In other words, she had no intent to lock it away permanently, and didn't plan on dying.
Quote: MDawgAssuming she did that, that might have been unrelated. Maybe the dog was misbehaving. Or simply was barking its head off and she couldn't deal with it and put it away while she was trying to figure out what to do. And then slipped and died, or had a heart attack of her own.
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My theory:
Quote: MDawgHe died of a heart attack. She went to the bathroom in a panic to get his pills slipped fell hit her head and died due to the blow or simply died from her own heart attack brought on by that panic stress.
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My Ipad glows randomly even when I'm not using it, unless I shut down the power.
Quote: vegasThe wife dies of natural causes. Gene who had a pacemaker sees her and the shock is too much for his heart, so he collapses and dies. No idea about the dog.
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While interesting, I do not think your sequence of events aligns with the locations of the bodies relative to the floorplan.
Quote:Pamela Bach-Hasselhoff has died at 62,
Pamela was married to TV star David Hasselhoff from 1989 until 2006.
The actress appeared alongside Hasselhoff in "Baywatch" for 10 seasons and also landed roles in "The Young and the Restless," "The Fall Guy," "Sirens" and "Knight Rider."
There is no real treatment for hantavirus other than maybe ribavirin. I'm aware of this because you have to be aware of the dangers of hantavirus in southern California, lot of rodents running around in the valleys and by the beach by our homes. The overdose associated with long term use of ribavirin would be anemia, she did not die of anemia. In any case, the pills found around the wife's body were thyroid meds and there is no indication that they contributed to her death.
I think she just contracted the hantavirus unknowingly and died suddenly, unexpectedly from it a few days later. That she was visiting a grocery store, pet store and CVS the day she died, as well as emailing a massage therapist that day, means she didn't realize how sick she was.
She picked up that dog found locked in the closet from the vet February 9th. Why it was locked up remains a mystery, but again, as I opined earlier maybe it was just being a problem and she locked it in the closet shortly before she died. That it was found in the closet of the bathroom supports that she is the one who locked it up.
Gene Hackman died nearly a week later on February 18th, from coronary disease. That was the last date any activity was recorded from his pacemaker. He was apparently suffering from advanced Alzheimers, and might not have even been aware that his wife had died.
In any case, seems that there was no foul play, and that they both died of natural causes. They apparently led a very reclusive and private lifestyle, which explains why it was over a week before anyone knew they had died.
Quote: NathanGene Hackman's cause of death has been found to be heart disease. His Wife died of Hantavirus Pulmonary syndrome and prescription pills were found in the house. 💡 She most likely died of accidental overdose trying to combat the Hantavirus Pulmonary syndrome 💡
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What is there to indicate an accidental OD?. Most likely she just dropped dead while taking her prescribed medications, which would explain them being spilt all over the floor.
Quote: MDawgHe was apparently suffering from advanced Alzheimers, and might not have even been aware that his wife had died.
That explains the mystery of why the one still alive didn't contact anyone if they died at different times. And the dog was a victim of circumstances beyond his control.
Quote: EvenBobHackman also had advanced Alzheimer's so why didn't they have a housekeeper, or some medical person looking in on them. I would be looking at the three adult children of Hackman two of whom are in their mid 60s, the other is 58. His estate is worth over 80 million dollars. I'd be looking at elderly neglect charges if I were the police.
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Whoa, there.
Betsy Arakawa was 65, and presumably sound of mind and body until she caught the hantavirus.
I know I'd be ticked off if my kids forced me to have a housekeeper (or other attendant) because they thought I was losing my faculties. Having dealt with family members with alzheimers, I don't think they'd have adapted well to it, either.
The dog in the closet was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The failure of Hackman's children to look in on them? Arakawa's failure to have contracted for professional care givers to help her deal with Hackman's care? Just the way of the world.
Quote: DieterQuote: EvenBobHackman also had advanced Alzheimer's so why didn't they have a housekeeper, or some medical person looking in on them. I would be looking at the three adult children of Hackman two of whom are in their mid 60s, the other is 58. His estate is worth over 80 million dollars. I'd be looking at elderly neglect charges if I were the police.
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Whoa, there.
Betsy Arakawa was 65, and presumably sound of mind and body until she caught the hantavirus.
I know I'd be ticked off if my kids forced me to have a housekeeper (or other attendant) because they thought I was losing my faculties. Having dealt with family members with alzheimers, I don't think they'd have adapted well to it, either.
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On the other hand, how many rich, formerly ultra-A-list actors or anyone with assets like his wash their own dishes and clean their own bathrooms, with or without Alzheimer's? Not having domestic servants at that level is very unusual. Seems like there must have been some other issue.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: DieterQuote: EvenBobHackman also had advanced Alzheimer's so why didn't they have a housekeeper, or some medical person looking in on them. I would be looking at the three adult children of Hackman two of whom are in their mid 60s, the other is 58. His estate is worth over 80 million dollars. I'd be looking at elderly neglect charges if I were the police.
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Whoa, there.
Betsy Arakawa was 65, and presumably sound of mind and body until she caught the hantavirus.
I know I'd be ticked off if my kids forced me to have a housekeeper (or other attendant) because they thought I was losing my faculties. Having dealt with family members with alzheimers, I don't think they'd have adapted well to it, either.
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On the other hand, how many rich, formerly ultra-A-list actors or anyone with assets like his wash their own dishes and clean their own bathrooms, with or without Alzheimer's? Not having domestic servants at that level is very unusual. Seems like there must have been some other issue.
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I can believe they had domestic help 20 years ago, when they moved from Hollywood to New Mexico. I can also believe some things changed since then.
Quote: DieterQuote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: DieterQuote: EvenBobHackman also had advanced Alzheimer's so why didn't they have a housekeeper, or some medical person looking in on them. I would be looking at the three adult children of Hackman two of whom are in their mid 60s, the other is 58. His estate is worth over 80 million dollars. I'd be looking at elderly neglect charges if I were the police.
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Whoa, there.
Betsy Arakawa was 65, and presumably sound of mind and body until she caught the hantavirus.
I know I'd be ticked off if my kids forced me to have a housekeeper (or other attendant) because they thought I was losing my faculties. Having dealt with family members with alzheimers, I don't think they'd have adapted well to it, either.
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On the other hand, how many rich, formerly ultra-A-list actors or anyone with assets like his wash their own dishes and clean their own bathrooms, with or without Alzheimer's? Not having domestic servants at that level is very unusual. Seems like there must have been some other issue.
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I can believe they had domestic help 20 years ago, when they moved from Hollywood to New Mexico. I can also believe some things changed since then.
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Assuming his wife didn't know what she was sick with maybe she had contacted the hired help and told them to take a couple weeks off. So, they wouldn't be picking up her virus. She wouldn't know it wasn't contagious.
With the very large home, the absence of a once-a-week maid service does seem unusual. But not inexplicable.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: DieterQuote: EvenBobHackman also had advanced Alzheimer's so why didn't they have a housekeeper, or some medical person looking in on them. I would be looking at the three adult children of Hackman two of whom are in their mid 60s, the other is 58. His estate is worth over 80 million dollars. I'd be looking at elderly neglect charges if I were the police.
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Whoa, there.
Betsy Arakawa was 65, and presumably sound of mind and body until she caught the hantavirus.
I know I'd be ticked off if my kids forced me to have a housekeeper (or other attendant) because they thought I was losing my faculties. Having dealt with family members with alzheimers, I don't think they'd have adapted well to it, either.
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On the other hand, how many rich, formerly ultra-A-list actors or anyone with assets like his wash their own dishes and clean their own bathrooms, with or without Alzheimer's? Not having domestic servants at that level is very unusual. Seems like there must have been some other issue.
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My Aunt and Uncle are wealthy due to him being successful in a business he inherited at as a young adult and ran and expanded into his 70s. Around that time he started slipping and developed Alzheimer's. She stubbornly took care of him at home, without any in home medical help or domestic help-and still ran the manufacturing business as well. A strong willed woman can care for her husband if she puts her mind to it if she can.Indications are they were well known in Santa Fe for being private individuals. with a private home life. Of note it was a maintenance worker concerned they weren't answering the door who raised the alarm.
“Hey I might be dying, check on me.”
Quote: billryanHanavirus is a real threat in the southwest. The thing is that it doesn't come on suddenly. It takes days to develop into a flu-like illness and then a week or two to progress to death. She had plenty of time to alert someone. I find it challenging to think the house wasn't equipped with an alarm system she could have hit.
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This is JUST my theory, but it's possible she did alert people but they brushed it off and went on with their own lives. I've heard of people dying from neglect like that, asking for help and getting ignored. 💡 After a man DIED his Family and Friends admitted that he asked for help but they brushed him off and wish they had responded VERY seriously to his cries for help. 💡
Quote: NathanQuote: billryanHanavirus is a real threat in the southwest. The thing is that it doesn't come on suddenly. It takes days to develop into a flu-like illness and then a week or two to progress to death. She had plenty of time to alert someone. I find it challenging to think the house wasn't equipped with an alarm system she could have hit.
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This is JUST my theory, but it's possible she did alert people but they brushed it off and went on with their own lives. I've heard of people dying from neglect like that, asking for help and getting ignored. 💡 After a man DIED his Family and Friends admitted that he asked for help but they brushed him off and wish they had responded VERY seriously to his cries for help. 💡
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I would call thus uninformed speculation not a theory. The available evidence points towards private individuals, with friends family and associates who respected their privacy and desire to be left alone, met a tragic and unexpected end. Of note she last seen alive at a market a drug store and dog food store. Just regular errands.
Quote: NathanQuote: billryanHanavirus is a real threat in the southwest. The thing is that it doesn't come on suddenly. It takes days to develop into a flu-like illness and then a week or two to progress to death. She had plenty of time to alert someone. I find it challenging to think the house wasn't equipped with an alarm system she could have hit.
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This is JUST my theory, but it's possible she did alert people but they brushed it off and went on with their own lives. I've heard of people dying from neglect like that, asking for help and getting ignored. 💡 After a man DIED his Family and Friends admitted that he asked for help but they brushed him off and wish they had responded VERY seriously to his cries for help. 💡
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I had an acquaintance of mine call me once while I was at work. We were not close and he maybe called me one time in the three years that I knew him. I ignored the call because I was at work and didn't really have any reason to talk to him. The next day he was found dead at his house of a probable suicide/overdose. I still wonder if I had taken his call would things be different.
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I had an acquaintance of mine call me once while I was at work. We were not close and he maybe called me one time in the three years that I knew him. I ignored the call because I was at work and didn't really have any reason to talk to him. The next day he was found dead at his house of a probable suicide/overdose. I still wonder if I had taken his call would things be different.
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Probably not. Usually everybody who knows somebody who committed suicide thinks they could have prevented it somehow when that's just not true. If a person wants to commit suicide bad enough they usually end up doing it. You might be able to postpone it, but that's all you're doing.
Quote: EvenBobProbably not. Usually everybody who knows somebody who committed suicide thinks they could have prevented it somehow when that's just not true. If a person wants to commit suicide bad enough they usually end up doing it. You might be able to postpone it, but that's all you're doing.
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That is what critics said when California spent a lot of money to put a net under the Golden Gate Bridge. The other said says often suicide is spontaneous, as opposed to planned out long in advance. I tend to lean towards the former point of view, but I'm hardly an expert.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: DRich
I had an acquaintance of mine call me once while I was at work. We were not close and he maybe called me one time in the three years that I knew him. I ignored the call because I was at work and didn't really have any reason to talk to him. The next day he was found dead at his house of a probable suicide/overdose. I still wonder if I had taken his call would things be different.
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Probably not. Usually everybody who knows somebody who committed suicide thinks they could have prevented it somehow when that's just not true. If a person wants to commit suicide bad enough they usually end up doing it. You might be able to postpone it, but that's all you're doing.
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In my case I am probably more interested in why he was calling me.
I also had an ex girlfriend that had moved away from Vegas about 18 months prior give me a call out of the blue after I had not spoken to her in over year. She just wanted someone to talk to because her current boyfriend got physical with her earlier in the evening. Again, i was just surprised she was calling me.
I remember him winning the Olympic Gold and pulling out a tiny American flag. Many black athletes boycotted the 1968 Olympics and two US team members were sent home for disrespecting the anthem. He was a bit of a dick as champion, and he destroyed his image with the made for tv farce where he fought five stiffs in one afternoon. When he retired after losing to Jimmy Young, few missed him.
After leaving boxing, George presented a brand new personality and became a well-liked celebrity. He found success as a business man, with the George Foreman Grill being a huge success.
I didn't follow his later return to boxing as I thought it was a joke, but he managed to given Evander Holifield a hell of a fight.
RIP.
Quote: GenoDRPhBoxer George Foreman, 76.
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I love his electric grills I use mine all the time. 76 is pretty good for a fighter, they got hit in the head too much.
