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Quote: billryanFour legs are good, two legs better.
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Not for a chair.
Quote: DRichQuote: billryanFour legs are good, two legs better.
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Not for a chair.
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Nor a forum.
Quote: billryanFour legs are good, two legs better.
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Seems like something sheep would say.
For those of you in Rio Linda, look up what that means before whining it is a personal insult.
Quote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: billryanFour legs are good, two legs better.
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Not for a chair.
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Nor a forum.
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Nor for sex.
(Sorry if that gets anyone's goat.)
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: billryanFour legs are good, two legs better.
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Not for a chair.
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Nor a forum.
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Nor for sex.
(Sorry if that gets anyone's goat.)
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I believe all of my sexual encounters have involved four legs.
Quote: JimRockfordQuote: rxwineit's a National Review piece. It's not going to be written with a glass half-full perspective. it's going to be a glass half-empty.
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Gordon’s post is entirely verbatim from a National Review article posted with no attribute. Do moderators not respect rule 2 around here?
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I agree that my post was a Rule 2 exception and I am self-suspending from the forum for 4 days.
I have also modified my original post by adding an attribution to author Philip Klein and the National Review for excerpting from his longer article and by adding a link to the original article.
The NR article itself is almost entirely based on facts reported by David Brinkley in his book "The Unfinished Presidency," a book which otherwise has a tone of praising Jimmy Carter. I therefore respectfully disagree with the above comments about glass half-full versus half-empty.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: JimRockfordQuote: rxwineit's a National Review piece. It's not going to be written with a glass half-full perspective. it's going to be a glass half-empty.
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Gordon’s post is entirely verbatim from a National Review article posted with no attribute. Do moderators not respect rule 2 around here?
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I agree that my post was a Rule 2 exception and I am self-suspending from the forum for 4 days.
I have also modified my original post by adding an attribution to author Philip Klein and the National Review for excerpting from his longer article and by adding a link to the original article.
The NR article itself is almost entirely based on facts reported by David Brinkley in his book "The Unfinished Presidency," a book which otherwise has a tone of praising Jimmy Carter. I therefore respectfully disagree with the above comments about glass half-full versus half-empty.
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You must have left out the tone praising him more than diminishing him then if that’s the case. Just my opinion though. Others may see it as more positive. I missed it though.
Quote:Carter’s support for the freedom of Jews in the Soviet Union, signing of legislation in 1977 banning American corporations and individuals from complying with the Arab boycott of Israel, and establishing in 1978 the President’s Commission on the Holocaust, which led to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in 1993, have had decisive, positive long-term impact.
Quote:American Jewish Committee (AJC) stands up for Israel’s right to exist in peace and security; confronts antisemitism, no matter the source; and upholds the democratic values that unite Jews and our allies.
In the wake of Hamas’ brutal October 7 attack—the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust—AJC has mobilized its unparalleled global network to tackle the unprecedented threats facing world Jewry.
From world capitals to college campuses, AJC works with leaders across society to support Israel and combat surging antisemitism, and we leverage strategic communications to educate, counter misinformation, and shape public opinion.
They do reflect on their differences with Carter’s legacy. Just thought I’d offer some balance.
Quote: rxwineFrom the (American Jewish Committee). WWW.AJC.org.
Quote:Carter’s support for the freedom of Jews in the Soviet Union, signing of legislation in 1977 banning American corporations and individuals from complying with the Arab boycott of Israel, and establishing in 1978 the President’s Commission on the Holocaust, which led to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in 1993, have had decisive, positive long-term impact.
Quote:American Jewish Committee (AJC) stands up for Israel’s right to exist in peace and security; confronts antisemitism, no matter the source; and upholds the democratic values that unite Jews and our allies.
In the wake of Hamas’ brutal October 7 attack—the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust—AJC has mobilized its unparalleled global network to tackle the unprecedented threats facing world Jewry.
From world capitals to college campuses, AJC works with leaders across society to support Israel and combat surging antisemitism, and we leverage strategic communications to educate, counter misinformation, and shape public opinion.
They do reflect on their differences with Carter’s legacy. Just thought I’d offer some balance.
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In 1987 when Carter was no longer president he went to bat for a Nazi SS officer accused of Holocaust crimes who had been deported from the United States and was facing trial in Austria for the crimes he committed. Carter tried to get him sent back to the United States so he wouldn't have to face trial. And people wonder why he's called antisemitic.
Quote: rxwineJocelyn Wildenstein, ‘Catwoman’ socialite known for her extreme cosmetic surgery, dies
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I think posting that picture should garner you a suspension.
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I think posting that picture should garner you a suspension.
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Yeah, I should have posted it in EB’s cat thread.
“I told the Secret Service what I was gonna do,” Carter told Chris Matthews with evident pride looking back. “I didn’t ask their permission.” He kept the inaugural walk secret right up ‘til he and Rosalyn had opened the door on the presidential limousine: “I think it broke the ice. It showed that I trusted the American people, that I thought it was time for animosity and hatred in our country’s politics to be over.”
Since then, other Presidents do the same, at least part of the way, so how could anyone argue it was a bad move if they all copied him?
Quote: MDawgIf you find old news stock covering Carter's choice to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue waving rather than inside a vehicle, it was viewed as a "brilliant" move. I would agree.
“I told the Secret Service what I was gonna do,” Carter told Chris Matthews with evident pride looking back. “I didn’t ask their permission.” He kept the inaugural walk secret right up ‘til he and Rosalyn had opened the door on the presidential limousine: “I think it broke the ice. It showed that I trusted the American people, that I thought it was time for animosity and hatred in our country’s politics to be over.”
Since then, other Presidents do the same, at least part of the way, so how could anyone argue it was a bad move if they all copied him?
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He did it for his ego, walked the entire way. Nothing to do with trusting the American people, he knew the Secret Service was watching every move. He did it so his gigantic ego could suck in what he considered all the adulation of him getting elected. The only reason he got elected was because of Richard Nixon, if it wasn't for Nixon he never would have had a chance. If you read stuff written by people who actually knew Jimmy Carter they all say he was totally full of himself, arrogant and egotistical.
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He did it for his ego, walked the entire way. Nothing to do with trusting the American people, he knew the Secret Service was watching every move. He did it so his gigantic ego could suck in what he considered all the adulation of him getting elected. The only reason he got elected was because of Richard Nixon, if it wasn't for Nixon he never would have had a chance. If you read stuff written by people who actually knew Jimmy Carter they all say he was totally full of himself, arrogant and egotistical.
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The carrying his own bag thing was fake, the bag was empty. Don't think he was authentic, he was not.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: EvenBob
He did it for his ego, walked the entire way. Nothing to do with trusting the American people, he knew the Secret Service was watching every move. He did it so his gigantic ego could suck in what he considered all the adulation of him getting elected. The only reason he got elected was because of Richard Nixon, if it wasn't for Nixon he never would have had a chance. If you read stuff written by people who actually knew Jimmy Carter they all say he was totally full of himself, arrogant and egotistical.
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The carrying his own bag thing was fake, the bag was empty. Don't think he was authentic, he was not.
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"Jimmy Carter's smiling, man-of-the-people image that saw him carry his own luggage was 'all show', say ex-Secret Service agents who claim ex-president was 'rude and short' and 'talked down' to soldiers... Secret Service agents revealed Jimmy Carter was nothing like the smiling, friendly president that he projected and, in reality, was 'short and rude most of the time.'..His icy demeanor would make him the most detested commander-in-chief by Secret Service agents of all US presidents in recent memory."
The First Family Detail: Secret Service Agents Reveal the Hidden Lives of the Presidents
The Secret Service agents who dealt with Carter in the White House claim he was constantly rude, never said hello to anybody, if you said hello to him he would ignore you, every bag he is seen carrying by the Press is totally empty, he would arrive sometimes at 6:00 a.m. so the Press could see him and then he would go into the Oval Office and take a nap for 2 hours. They claim the grinning good old boy that Carter showed the public was a total opposite of who he really was. He was ex-military but he treated the military like crap and refused to let anybody wear a military uniform in the White House. They claim that Carter was a great actor, and that's what he was doing whenever he was in front of the public, acting. After he was voted out of office he would occasionally stay at Blair House in Washington DC as a guest and his enormous ego made him take down the pictures of Republican presidents and replace them with pictures of himself while he was staying there. The Secret Service said he only ever smiled when he was in public and he never ever smiled in the White House.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: EvenBob
He did it for his ego, walked the entire way. Nothing to do with trusting the American people, he knew the Secret Service was watching every move. He did it so his gigantic ego could suck in what he considered all the adulation of him getting elected. The only reason he got elected was because of Richard Nixon, if it wasn't for Nixon he never would have had a chance. If you read stuff written by people who actually knew Jimmy Carter they all say he was totally full of himself, arrogant and egotistical.
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The carrying his own bag thing was fake, the bag was empty. Don't think he was authentic, he was not.
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"Jimmy Carter's smiling, man-of-the-people image that saw him carry his own luggage was 'all show', say ex-Secret Service agents who claim ex-president was 'rude and short' and 'talked down' to soldiers... Secret Service agents revealed Jimmy Carter was nothing like the smiling, friendly president that he projected and, in reality, was 'short and rude most of the time.'..His icy demeanor would make him the most detested commander-in-chief by Secret Service agents of all US presidents in recent memory."
The First Family Detail: Secret Service Agents Reveal the Hidden Lives of the Presidents
The Secret Service agents who dealt with Carter in the White House claim he was constantly rude, never said hello to anybody, if you said hello to him he would ignore you, every bag he is seen carrying by the Press is totally empty, he would arrive sometimes at 6:00 a.m. so the Press could see him and then he would go into the Oval Office and take a nap for 2 hours. They claim the grinning good old boy that Carter showed the public was a total opposite of who he really was. He was ex-military but he treated the military like crap and refused to let anybody wear a military uniform in the White House. They claim that Carter was a great actor, and that's what he was doing whenever he was in front of the public, acting. After he was voted out of office he would occasionally stay at Blair House in Washington DC as a guest and his enormous ego made him take down the pictures of Republican presidents and replace them with pictures of himself while he was staying there. The Secret Service said he only ever smiled when he was in public and he never ever smiled in the White House.
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Good to see you two believe multiple sources might indicate something is true about.a President. Not like those people who hear multiple sources of info and keep denying it is true. Keep up the good work.
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Good to see you two believe multiple sources might indicate something is true about.a President. Not like those people who hear multiple sources of info and keep denying it is true. Keep up the good work.
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Absolutely totally depends on what the source is. A New York Times bestselling book by a well-known author is a pretty good source.
Quote: rxwineQuote: EvenBobQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: EvenBob
He did it for his ego, walked the entire way. Nothing to do with trusting the American people, he knew the Secret Service was watching every move. He did it so his gigantic ego could suck in what he considered all the adulation of him getting elected. The only reason he got elected was because of Richard Nixon, if it wasn't for Nixon he never would have had a chance. If you read stuff written by people who actually knew Jimmy Carter they all say he was totally full of himself, arrogant and egotistical.
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The carrying his own bag thing was fake, the bag was empty. Don't think he was authentic, he was not.
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"Jimmy Carter's smiling, man-of-the-people image that saw him carry his own luggage was 'all show', say ex-Secret Service agents who claim ex-president was 'rude and short' and 'talked down' to soldiers... Secret Service agents revealed Jimmy Carter was nothing like the smiling, friendly president that he projected and, in reality, was 'short and rude most of the time.'..His icy demeanor would make him the most detested commander-in-chief by Secret Service agents of all US presidents in recent memory."
The First Family Detail: Secret Service Agents Reveal the Hidden Lives of the Presidents
The Secret Service agents who dealt with Carter in the White House claim he was constantly rude, never said hello to anybody, if you said hello to him he would ignore you, every bag he is seen carrying by the Press is totally empty, he would arrive sometimes at 6:00 a.m. so the Press could see him and then he would go into the Oval Office and take a nap for 2 hours. They claim the grinning good old boy that Carter showed the public was a total opposite of who he really was. He was ex-military but he treated the military like crap and refused to let anybody wear a military uniform in the White House. They claim that Carter was a great actor, and that's what he was doing whenever he was in front of the public, acting. After he was voted out of office he would occasionally stay at Blair House in Washington DC as a guest and his enormous ego made him take down the pictures of Republican presidents and replace them with pictures of himself while he was staying there. The Secret Service said he only ever smiled when he was in public and he never ever smiled in the White House.
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Good to see you two believe multiple sources might indicate something is true about.a President. Not like those people who hear multiple sources of info and keep denying it is true. Keep up the good work.
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Sources matter. It is why I called out "The Atlantic" on here some time ago. They tend to publish things with only one source often anonymous. USSS agents who go on the record like that are vetted.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: EvenBob
He did it for his ego, walked the entire way. Nothing to do with trusting the American people, he knew the Secret Service was watching every move. He did it so his gigantic ego could suck in what he considered all the adulation of him getting elected. The only reason he got elected was because of Richard Nixon, if it wasn't for Nixon he never would have had a chance. If you read stuff written by people who actually knew Jimmy Carter they all say he was totally full of himself, arrogant and egotistical.
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The carrying his own bag thing was fake, the bag was empty. Don't think he was authentic, he was not.
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"Jimmy Carter's smiling, man-of-the-people image that saw him carry his own luggage was 'all show', say ex-Secret Service agents who claim ex-president was 'rude and short' and 'talked down' to soldiers... Secret Service agents revealed Jimmy Carter was nothing like the smiling, friendly president that he projected and, in reality, was 'short and rude most of the time.'..His icy demeanor would make him the most detested commander-in-chief by Secret Service agents of all US presidents in recent memory."
The First Family Detail: Secret Service Agents Reveal the Hidden Lives of the Presidents
The Secret Service agents who dealt with Carter in the White House claim he was constantly rude, never said hello to anybody, if you said hello to him he would ignore you, every bag he is seen carrying by the Press is totally empty, he would arrive sometimes at 6:00 a.m. so the Press could see him and then he would go into the Oval Office and take a nap for 2 hours. They claim the grinning good old boy that Carter showed the public was a total opposite of who he really was. He was ex-military but he treated the military like crap and refused to let anybody wear a military uniform in the White House. They claim that Carter was a great actor, and that's what he was doing whenever he was in front of the public, acting. After he was voted out of office he would occasionally stay at Blair House in Washington DC as a guest and his enormous ego made him take down the pictures of Republican presidents and replace them with pictures of himself while he was staying there. The Secret Service said he only ever smiled when he was in public and he never ever smiled in the White House.
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Multiple USSS agents have gone on recent record praising his humanity, kindness and compassion. Based on events of the last 5 years or so, I would not trust any USSS agent to tell the truth in any circumstance, due to lack of trust. Examples available upon request.
Do we have primary sources confirming he banned service personnel from wearing military uniforms at The White House, and not just from a dude trying to sell a book?
No US Serviceman died from hostile fire during his administration, an event last achieved during the Buchanan Administration in the 1850s, and not repeated since.
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Multiple USSS agents have gone on recent record praising his humanity, kindness and compassion. Based on events of the last 5 years or so, I would not trust any USSS agent to tell the truth in any circumstance, due to lack of trust. Examples available upon request.
Do we have primary sources confirming he banned service personnel from wearing military uniforms at The White House, and not just from a dude trying to sell a book?
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The Secret Service agents in the book that I linked to we're talking about his years in the White House. Nobody cares about the 50 years that happened after he left the White House trying to clean up his record as a jerk.
Quote:Wayne Osmond, who co-founded the Osmonds, scored four Top 10 singles with the group and was a regular on the hit variety show Donny & Marie starring his younger brother and sister, died January 1 after a stroke. He was 73.
Quote: rxwineJocelyn Wildenstein, ‘Catwoman’ socialite known for her extreme cosmetic surgery, dies
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Dying. What an AWFUL way to spend New Year's day! 😱😳☢️😵💫😭
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Dying. What an AWFUL way to spend New Year's day! 😱😳☢️😵💫😭
Sadly, I lost a very close friend that died unexpectedly on New Year's day. I will be heading back to Las Vegas for the funeral service.
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Dying. What an AWFUL way to spend New Year's day! 😱😳☢️😵💫😭
Sadly, I lost a very close friend that died unexpectedly on New Year's day. I will be heading back to Las Vegas for the funeral service.
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I am sorry to hear that. 😫 My condolences. 😫
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Dying. What an AWFUL way to spend New Year's day! 😱😳☢️😵💫😭
Sadly, I lost a very close friend that died unexpectedly on New Year's day. I will be heading back to Las Vegas for the funeral service.
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I wonder if there was ever a study of how many people die a week before Christmas vs. a week after. There is a thought that people can "hold on" a few extra days when their mind wants to. My dad's dad died the week after Christmas to name one I have heard of. Deaths should be fairly level week by week. If more die the week after it gives credit to such a theory.
Quote: AZDuffmanI wonder if there was ever a study of how many people die a week before Christmas vs. a week after. There is a thought that people can "hold on" a few extra days when their mind wants to. My dad's dad died the week after Christmas to name one I have heard of. Deaths should be fairly level week by week. If more die the week after it gives credit to such a theory.
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If I were still a Social Security actuary, I could have easily answered this. My educated guess is it is a negligible effect.
Quote: WizardPeter Yarrow of Peter, Paul & Mary -- dead at 86.
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I immediately thought of the true story about "Puff the Magic Dragon" lyrics left in Peter's typewriter.
I was never a big fan of those musicians, but I always had respect for them. Another era turning the page…
Quote: WizardQuote: AZDuffmanI wonder if there was ever a study of how many people die a week before Christmas vs. a week after. There is a thought that people can "hold on" a few extra days when their mind wants to. My dad's dad died the week after Christmas to name one I have heard of. Deaths should be fairly level week by week. If more die the week after it gives credit to such a theory.
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If I were still a Social Security actuary, I could have easily answered this. My educated guess is it is a negligible effect.
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The increased traveling would bump up the deaths, but I don't know if it would be significant.
Quote: smoothgrhQuote: WizardPeter Yarrow of Peter, Paul & Mary -- dead at 86.
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I immediately thought of the true story about "Puff the Magic Dragon" lyrics left in Peter's typewriter.
I was never a big fan of those musicians, but I always had respect for them. Another era turning the page…
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I bumped into him in a piano store in NYC in the mid-1980s. He was surprisingly fit and couldn't have been nicer.
Puff will always have a special place in my heart. Rest in Peace.
Quote: billryanQuote: smoothgrhQuote: WizardPeter Yarrow of Peter, Paul & Mary -- dead at 86.
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I immediately thought of the true story about "Puff the Magic Dragon" lyrics left in Peter's typewriter.
I was never a big fan of those musicians, but I always had respect for them. Another era turning the page…
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I bumped into him in a piano store in NYC in the mid-1980s. He was surprisingly fit and couldn't have been nicer.
Puff will always have a special place in my heart. Rest in Peace.
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At least you had a NICE encounter with Peter. 😀 Somebody said they were seated next to Charlotte Rae on a plane and Charlotte said "No autographs please." The Person snidely said,"I'm not interested in getting your autograph, I'm legitimately just seated next to you!" 💡
Quote: NathanQuote: billryanQuote: smoothgrhQuote: WizardPeter Yarrow of Peter, Paul & Mary -- dead at 86.
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I immediately thought of the true story about "Puff the Magic Dragon" lyrics left in Peter's typewriter.
I was never a big fan of those musicians, but I always had respect for them. Another era turning the page…
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I bumped into him in a piano store in NYC in the mid-1980s. He was surprisingly fit and couldn't have been nicer.
Puff will always have a special place in my heart. Rest in Peace.
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At least you had a NICE encounter with Peter. 😀 Somebody said they were seated next to Charlotte Rae on a plane and Charlotte said "No autographs please." The Person snidely said,"I'm not interested in getting your autograph, I'm legitimately just seated next to you!" 💡
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Some of these haughty celebs, I wouldn't be able to pick out of police line-up, much less interested in their autograph.
Quote: NathanAt least you had a NICE encounter with Peter.
Not everyone did.
He pleaded guilty to taking “immoral and improper liberties” with a child and served three months.
The victim who was 14 at the time, claims she was raped.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/05/17/peter-yarrow-carter-pardon-assault/
Quote: WizardQuote: AZDuffmanI wonder if there was ever a study of how many people die a week before Christmas vs. a week after. There is a thought that people can "hold on" a few extra days when their mind wants to. My dad's dad died the week after Christmas to name one I have heard of. Deaths should be fairly level week by week. If more die the week after it gives credit to such a theory.
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If I were still a Social Security actuary, I could have easily answered this. My educated guess is it is a negligible effect.
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Even negligible would be important to the point of it because I am talking just a small subset of people. We sometimes hear of that sickly old man or woman who dies right after the last of the family shows up, etc. Or some other thing, Like Burt Cooper dying right after the moon landing in "Mad Men." I read way back in the 90s maybe 80s where they studied this with Jewish men who died right before vs. right after important Jewish holidays and found some even negligible effect.
As a side question, do the actuaries over there ever do this kind of project even if for simple pure research? I know it is not their purpose, but I could see it as one of those things various agencies do just to do.
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I wonder if there was ever a study of how many people die a week before Christmas vs. a week after. There is a thought that people can "hold on" a few extra days when their mind wants to.
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'Christmas and New Year as risk factors '
'On Christmas and New Year, mortality from natural causes spikes in dead-on-arrival (DOA) and emergency department (ED) settings. There are more DOA/ED deaths on 12/25, 12/26, and 1/1 than on any other day.'
'The two weeks starting with Christmas are associated with an excess of 42,325 natural deaths over a 25 year period. This nontrivial loss of life is an important public health concern and warrants further research...'
Quote: AZDuffmanAs a side question, do the actuaries over there ever do this kind of project even if for simple pure research? I know it is not their purpose, but I could see it as one of those things various agencies do just to do.
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Most of them had no curiosity and did only what was required of their job, if that. However, my immediate boss was the curious type, but about different things. He exposed a lot of fraud in the representative payee program. One other higher-level boss, who I promised to not name, did a report that showed smokers save Social Security and Medicare billions of dollars because they die younger and thus consume benefits a shorter period of time. However, the report was never published. For that reason, I strongly oppose cigarette taxes.
Quote: smoothgrhQuote: WizardPeter Yarrow of Peter, Paul & Mary -- dead at 86.
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I immediately thought of the true story about "Puff the Magic Dragon" lyrics left in Peter's typewriter.
I was never a big fan of those musicians, but I always had respect for them. Another era turning the page…
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First thought for me was the scene from Meet the Parents
Quote: WizardQuote: AZDuffmanAs a side question, do the actuaries over there ever do this kind of project even if for simple pure research? I know it is not their purpose, but I could see it as one of those things various agencies do just to do.
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Most of them had no curiosity and did only what was required of their job, if that. However, my immediate boss was the curious type, but about different things. He exposed a lot of fraud in the representative payee program. One other higher-level boss, who I promised to not name, did a report that showed smokers save Social Security and Medicare billions of dollars because they die younger and thus consume benefits a shorter period of time. However, the report was never published. For that reason, I strongly oppose cigarette taxes.
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Back when the MSA was being set up and AG lawsuits against tobacco companies that was a line of defense they wish they could have used. But it is the revers of "Have you stopped beating your wife" as a question. Meaning they say they save money by shortening lives they can get sued for shortening lives. They say they don't shorten lives they open themselves to the increased cost lawsuits.
This brings up an actuary question. Was more of your time spend doing research on this stuff vs. "the actual math?" It kind of reminds me of my landman days where the attorneys did the final legal work but 90% of the time was spend in research.
Quote: rxwineJust for instance, you might be able to extend someone's life somewhat by giving them a blood transfusion. Usually, if someone has everything going against them living more than hours or a day, families or the person themselves may request all the extra efforts stop.
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Not what I am talking about. I am talking about raw will to be alive just a few more days, can people do that? Like the old man that says, "well, I've seen everyone one last time so now I can die" and he does shortly.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: rxwineJust for instance, you might be able to extend someone's life somewhat by giving them a blood transfusion. Usually, if someone has everything going against them living more than hours or a day, families or the person themselves may request all the extra efforts stop.
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Not what I am talking about. I am talking about raw will to be alive just a few more days, can people do that? Like the old man that says, "well, I've seen everyone one last time so now I can die" and he does shortly.
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I'm not sure about the will to live, but I will swear by the will to die. People can die simply because they think they are, or want to.
Quote: AZDuffmanThis brings up an actuary question. Was more of your time spend doing research on this stuff vs. "the actual math?" It kind of reminds me of my landman days where the attorneys did the final legal work but 90% of the time was spend in research.
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My primary job was to project the financial ramifications of any change in Social Security law. I was there through the Clinton years, which saw both the earnings test being cut back and taxes on benefits in increased. Both those areas were my specialty. Votes in Congress affecting those areas should have taken under advisement my numbers. To be honest, that wasn't enough to keep me busy most days, so I had a long leash to do what I wanted. Over a few beers, I would expand on that.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: rxwineJust for instance, you might be able to extend someone's life somewhat by giving them a blood transfusion. Usually, if someone has everything going against them living more than hours or a day, families or the person themselves may request all the extra efforts stop.
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Not what I am talking about. I am talking about raw will to be alive just a few more days, can people do that? Like the old man that says, "well, I've seen everyone one last time so now I can die" and he does shortly.
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If people have tried and failed, how would we figure out why they failed. I assume more than zero have failed trying to stay alive for something they considered important.
If someone one wants to publish, "How I stayed alive longer for a special event" they need to start writing ASAP..
Quote: billryanI'm not sure about the will to live, but I will swear by the will to die. People can die simply because they think they are, or want to.
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I believe that. My father was in awful shape leading up to his death, but he was also in denial about how grave his condition was. One day I told him "It's okay to go." He replied "Go where?" I replied "To the other side." He never said another word and was gone a few hours later.
Quote: WizardQuote: AZDuffmanThis brings up an actuary question. Was more of your time spend doing research on this stuff vs. "the actual math?" It kind of reminds me of my landman days where the attorneys did the final legal work but 90% of the time was spend in research.
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My primary job was to project the financial ramifications of any change in Social Security law. I was there through the Clinton years, which saw both the earnings test being cut back and taxes on benefits in increased. Both those areas were my specialty. Votes in Congress affecting those areas should have taken under advisement my numbers. To be honest, that wasn't enough to keep me busy most days, so I had a long leash to do what I wanted. Over a few beers, I would expand on that.
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One day I hope we can meet and have those few beers. Off-strip!
