AN AP NIGHTMARE
I thought I explained that, in detail. Basically, he trivialized my concerns. "Because you didn't like it" would be bad enough, but "JUST because you didn't like it" says that I didn't have a valid reason for objection, just some (worthless, unsubstantiated) personal opinion.Quote: Mission146What was wrong with the way he phrased it?
That's why I didn't send him a PM and then block him. That would have seemed cheap to me, vs. mentioning publicly that I was blocking.Quote: Mission146What is the necessity in informing the entire Forum that you are blocking DarkOz?...he is unable to respond to same due to being blocked.
It's amazing to me that you consider that wording rude and not darkoz', but in the spirit of taking others' concerns into account, I removed the part you found objectionable, even though I'm loathe to take lessons from you on civility, given that when I left the forum some time ago, you openly mocked me about it.Quote: Mission146With all of that said, I think your post to DarkOz is rude because of the majority of the last paragraph...
Quote: MichaelBluejayI thought I explained that, in detail. Basically, he trivialized my concerns. "Because you didn't like it" would be bad enough, but "JUST because you didn't like it" says that I didn't have a valid reason for objection, just some (worthless, unsubstantiated) personal opinion.
Fair enough. My reading of his wording seemed to emphasize to me his position that your concerns were insufficient to overrule the fact that the drivers of the cars were behaving legally. By extension, due to the legality of their behavior, there is no justification (in my perception of his statement) to confront them directly.
Maybe we just read it different.
It also seems that he assumed you did not pursue the official mechanisms available to potentially effectuate change, so because you did, I do recognize why that assumption may be an additional source of annoyance for you.
Quote:That's why I didn't send him a PM and then block him. That would have seemed cheap to me, vs. mentioning publicly that I was blocking.
Personally, I’d see no issue with saying, “Don’t bother to respond, because I won’t read it,” as that leaves the blocking ambiguous while being a true statement. I mentioned that in my post. I don’t even know that simply saying you’re blocking him would be rude, it was the buildup I found rude and unnecessary.
Quote:It's amazing to me that you consider that wording rude and not darkoz', but in the spirit of taking others' concerns into account, I removed the part you found objectionable, even though I'm loathe to take lessons from you on civility, given that when I left the forum some time ago, you openly mocked me about it.
Perception is perception and all things are fluid. Very few things are unconditional. Perhaps if I first read his post at a different time I would find it rude. So much depends on current mood, you know?
Thank you for the removal, but it wasn’t necessary. To be clear, I didn’t request that and am presently in no real position to do so.
I apologize for your perception that I mocked you, or perhaps it is the reality that I mocked you. Whatever is the case. I don’t recall mocking you or you ever announcing you were leaving at all, so your memory on this is better than mine. I’d have to go back and look.
Either way, you clearly at least believe I mocked you, so I apologize for that.
Quote: MichaelBluejay
Your video was well articulated. I only watched the video and skimmed through your post so I may not have the whole picture of what is/was going on. But, I don’t think the people parking where they’re legally allowed to park necessarily did anything wrong. I wouldn’t fault them, unless they were doing it on purpose to spite the bikers (which doesn’t seem likely). HOWEVER, the city government or whoever’s responsible should have absolutely fixed the problem and done whatever’s necessary (within reason, obviously) to make it safer.
I certainly wasnt trying to insult michaelbluejay. Clearly this is a hot button topic for him. His reaction to block me also means any response that might alleviate his ire (such as this one) will never be seen by him.
If you refuse to hear the other side of an argument you will never understand where the other person may have been coming from
This whole misunderstanding may even come down to simple geography. He explained he "papered" cars. That is put flyers on them stating his position
As a NYer that is the last thing you want to do to be heard. Trust me,, shoving papers on people's cars in NYC will not get you in their good graces
Sounds like the same happens in Austin
If he took it up with city hall then he did the right thing. In essence his thinking mirrored my own. That the city council was the correct venue.
He says however they refused to change the rules. That might be bureaucracy or perhaps there is a legit reason for it. Lack of parking space in an overcrowded residential area is one that comes to mind
Another is lack of open roadway which could block emergency access. I for one would not want to hear my house burned down because the fire trucks had no space to pass the parked cars because they could not park in the bicycle lane
Nonetheless I think most people will get angry if they park in a LEGAL parking zone and then have some stranger come up to them to complain. Just my observation of human nature
Sorry for your loss.
My 2 cents:, maybe the professional that was hired didn't know what the player's cards were. And figured that they were of value because they were in the safe.
I heard about a gun collector in Texas that stored his guns in a heavy gun safe inside a storage unit. The whole safe was stolen from the storage unit. The safe was so heavy that the curb was damaged. Mabye he didn't bolt it down at all.
Quote: HunterhillIDK ,remember when an ex member here had somone post that he had died,that wasn't a cool thing to do.
WTH, LOL
You can forgive someone for making a mistake without restoring everything they had before.
The only part I disagreed with was the restitution part of the story. I think there’s a little here we haven’t been told. Which is fine.
wait.. there's a restitution part of the story?Quote: FinsRuleIt’s not only Darkoz’s decision. There’s other people on the team.
You can forgive someone for making a mistake without restoring everything they had before.
The only part I disagreed with was the restitution part of the story. I think there’s a little here we haven’t been told. Which is fine.
I thought Dark Oz's 7th lengthy post in this thread where his ex-gf convinced daughter that her fiancé was the culprit was the end of the saga?
Quote: 100xOddswait.. there's a restitution part of the story?
I thought Dark Oz's 7th lengthy post in this thread where his ex-gf convinced daughter that her fiancé was the culprit was the end of the saga?
Daughter said she’d pay him back.
I thought it was clear in the story but obviously got lost somewhere. Thats obviously a weakness with clarity in my writing.
So to be clear.
My daughter texted me she will pay me back and has repeated that sentiment many times since then.
INSTEAD I came up with the solution of removing her fron the team. Forcing her to directly pay me back out of pocket would have taken food out of my grandkids mouths. Also she was not the one who stole the money. She was an unwitting accomplice and victim herself
By eliminating her from the team the sizable cut of the profits that would have gone to her (a cut sizable only because of her daughter status - a bit of nepotism to be sure) would now go to me. THAT was the pay I accepted from her. I.e. she no longer works for me and I keep her expected share of the profits. Technically she is not paying out of pocket since she is not doing any work for that future share of profits either.
There were other team members I had to take into account in the decision to drop her from the team. Even lower echelon team members need to maintain confidence in the upper management and she had lost that with her decisions
Finally, there had been plans for my daughter's independence well over a year ago. She would do her own team with my former son-in-law. Then shortly before fruition came the bitter break-up and it never happened. With shared bills now doubled (2 homes after the split, kids shared) they both wound up giving up their dreams of independence from the team.
This move to remove her from the team has served more as a kick in the pants to get going with her old plans for independence than the punishment I made it out to be. I was still a little sore last week when I wrote everything.
She has expressed thanks at that kick in the pants. I am quite certain if I tried to reverse the decision now her reply would be "And have to deal with you as a boss and father? And split my profits with you? Im doing my own thing and keeping everything".
Jokingly she has already said something to that effect already
Quote: darkoz
Finally, there had been plans for my daughter's independence well over a year ago. She would do her own team with my former son-in-law.
I love how you refer to this casino
scam you're running like it's a
respectable family business, like
a pizza franchise. How your daughter
was going to open a new branch
and grow the empire.
You're living the delusion that many
have in your position. That what you
do is wonderful and will go on forever.
When reality finally falls on you and you
have to face the truth, things can get
ugly.
Quote: EvenBobI love how you refer to this casino
scam you're running like it's a
respectable family business, like
a pizza franchise. How your daughter
was going to open a new branch
and grow the empire.
You're living the delusion that many
have in your position. That what you
do is wonderful and will go on forever.
When reality finally falls on you and you
have to face the truth, things can get
ugly.
Thats funny. The pizza shop in my neighborhood just closed. Not enough business. I outlasted them
Anyway thanks for the predictions Nostradamus.
Ain't nothing going to bring down the MFSECAP.Quote: darkozThats funny. The pizza shop in my neighborhood just closed. Not enough business. I outlasted them
Anyway thanks for the predictions Nostradamus.
Quote: JohnzimboThread is better when you skip all of EB's posts
This post is at 24 thank yous
Yay
Quote: AxelWolfAin't nothing going to bring down the MFSECAP.
That is way too long an acronym
The name of the team has been The Owners for a number of years now.
You can just use that name
Edit: My daughter came up with that name. The irony!
Quote: AxelWolfAin't nothing going to bring down the MFSECAP.
I'm not so sure about that. He is a self admitted specialist. A one trick pony, self admittedly. The value of a specialist tends to dwindle as more people enter the field. In this case there is not even a desire, by the "customer" base for the service to be performed.
Quote: darkoz
Anyway thanks for the predictions Nostradamus.
Not a prediction, just reality. There
people who run shoplifting teams
and consider them to be family
businesses. What world of denial
for longevity do you think they're
living in, that's oh so different than
your's.
A true advantage play never goes bad,
never quits working, is never in jeopardy
of vanishing. All the rest are just part
time wannabe's. You know it but will
never admit it.
Quote: MaxPenI'm not so sure about that. He is a self admitted specialist. A one trick pony, self admittedly. The value of a specialist tends to dwindle as more people enter the field. In this case there is not even a desire, by the "customer" base for the service to be performed.
Thats the complete opposite of my views of specialization
Specialists generally know more than the average person within their specialization and continue to succeed where others fail
People who generalize in everything tend to have more competition from those entering the field and are too spread out to shine in just one area
As for my customer base lets just call them a "captive audience"
Quote: EvenBobNot a prediction, just reality. There
people who run shoplifting teams
and consider them to be family
businesses. What world of denial
for longevity do you think they're
living in, that's oh so different than
your's.
A true advantage play never goes bad,
never quits working, is never in jeopardy
of vanishing. All the rest are just part
time wannabe's. You know it but will
never admit it.
So you are telling me your roulette AP is never going to fail
The fact that you guys named your own team is hilarious to me. IMO good team doesn't give themselves names, other people in the industry do.Quote: darkozThat is way too long an acronym
The name of the team has been The Owners for a number of years now.
You can just use that name
Edit: My daughter came up with that name. The irony!
I will stick with your description The Most Feared Secretive Advantage Play Team on the East Coast. Or is it the most well known secretive team?
TMFWKSAPTOTEC?
Quote: AxelWolfThe fact that you guys named your own team is hilarious to me.
It gives them legitimacy in their
minds, that it's a real and viable
family business not built on sand
that could completely wash away
in the high tide.
Quote: AxelWolfThe fact that you guys named your own team is hilarious to me. IMO good team doesn't give themselves names, other people in the industry do.
I will stick with your description The Most Feared Secretive Advantage Play Team on the East Coast. Or is it the most well known secretive team?
TMFWKSAPTOTEC?
It should be obvious I dont do what other AP teams do. I am on a higher level. So I will choose the name for my own team thank you
I find your statement hard to believe. What team would allow another group of industry people to choose their name? Let the casinos name your team and I am sure the name will be Axelwolfs thief squad.
Tell you what. I will name your team. It will be IQIFOAPRMT
I Quake In Fear Of Advantage Players Ruining My Team
Nice name I gave your team isnt it?
Quote: darkozIt should be obvious I dont do what other AP teams do. I am on a higher level. ?
If you're naming your team and
and blabbing to everybody you
know about what you do to the
extent you get robbed for having
a big mouth, you are actually
on a much lower level than others
in your hobby. I won't call it a
business, because it's not.
Quote: EvenBobIf you're naming your team and
and blabbing to everybody you
know about what you do to the
extent you get robbed for having
a big mouth, you are actually
on a much lower level than others
in your hobby. I won't call it a
business, because it's not.
And yet im in my sixth year of business
Booyah
Quote: darkozThats the complete opposite of my views of specialization
Specialists generally know more than the average person within their specialization and continue to succeed where others fail
People who generalize in everything tend to have more competition from those entering the field and are too spread out to shine in just one area
As for my customer base lets just call them a "captive audience"
That’s the sort of viewpoint that can potentially leave people homeless when their industry changes on them. Live and learn, or just live and hope/assume I guess
Quote: darkozAnd yet im in my sixth year of business
Booyah
I'll say what I said last time you crowed
about this. Six years is nothing, some
people have a business that takes six
years before it even shows a profit.
There are people that had casino winning
streaks that went on for years, and then
vanished into thin air. Six years of running
a scam is a blip on the screen. Get back to
us when it's been 15 years, then you have
something to brag about.
My wife had a brick and mortar antique
business for over 20 years that she thought
would last forever. Then Ebay came along
she closed her doors 18 years ago. You
never know what's coming. And when it's
just a fly by night scam, like conning slots,
you're actually standing on quicksand and
not solid ground.
Axel knows this, you don't see him talking
in any way like you do.
Quote: mcallister3200That’s the sort of viewpoint that can potentially leave people homeless when their industry changes on them. Live and learn, or just live and hope/assume I guess
That would complete the full circle.😀
Quote: MaxPenThat would complete the full circle.😀
It would complete the full circle
But circles go round and round.
Anyway if the business fails I will write my memoirs and publish them
My book is a memoir. Not a how-to book so even if the play is dead its worth a read. And nothing to worry about divulging if the play is dead.
Meanwhile as the song goes
Money money money monay. Money!!!
Quote: EvenBobI'll say what I said last time you crowed
about this. Six years is nothing, some
people have a business that takes six
years before it even shows a profit.
There are people that had casino winning
streaks that went on for years, and then
vanished into thin air. Six years of running
a scam is a blip on the screen. Get back to
us when it's been 15 years, then you have
something to brag about.
My wife had a brick and mortar antique
business for over 20 years that she thought
would last forever. Then Ebay came along
she closed her doors 18 years ago. You
never know what's coming. And when it's
just a fly by night scam, like conning slots,
you're actually standing on quicksand and
not solid ground.
Axel knows this, you don't see him talking
in any way like you do.
So what you are saying is any business can fail!
Even after 20 years
Whats your point? No one should start a new business?
Quote: unJonThis thread needs a coda.
Coda
And after the business of the robbery was behind him Darkoz went back to AP'ing the casinos
Meanwhile other AP's and AP wannabes could only stand back and watch in awe as he fearlessly pursued his expansion into new territories leaving the other AP's quaking in fear and leaving comments to such extent.
To be continued in another thread...
Some day
Quote: darkozIt would complete the full circle
But circles go round and round.
Anyway if the business fails I will write my memoirs and publish them
My book is a memoir. Not a how-to book so even if the play is dead its worth a read. And nothing to worry about divulging if the play is dead.
Meanwhile as the song goes
Money money money monay. Money!!!
You are going to have to self publish. So yes, get back to work.😉
Also, now I have a deeper understanding for the reasons behind your carelessness.
Obviously, it is to create chapters for some book. Can't just have, develop plan, get money, and retire. You need chapters on burglaries, court appearances, family drama, et.al.
What's next?
Maybe you can start a workshop on casino Halloween costume parties.
Quote: rxwineWould your thief have gotten more bang for the buck if he had gone to someone and said, "How much is it worth to you if I bring you the names of the most feared AP team in the East?" I guess that would be some head of some eastern casino corp.
Haven't you heard. He wears a mask, so good luck finding him.
I just started my own Multi carding team Axel is in just
sent me his credit card anyone else who want's in just
let me know.
Quote: rainmanGood thread good story all things come to an end.
I just started my own Multi carding team Axel is in just
sent me his credit card anyone else who want's in just
let me know.
This is why we really have nothing to fear
Credit card?
Quote: rxwineWould your thief have gotten more bang for the buck if he had gone to someone and said, "How much is it worth to you if I bring you the names of the most feared AP team in the East?" I guess that would be some head of some eastern casino corp.
Doubtful any casino would pay for that info
More likely they would arrange something and bring in the cops with some type of extortion charge
Anyway it wouldn't be a smart move for a guy on the run from his parole
Quote: darkozThis is why we really have nothing to fear
Credit card?
Joke?
Quote: darkoz
Anyway it wouldn't be a smart move for a guy on the run from his parole
Is that Chapter 7?
DarkOz the Fugitive
Quote: MaxPenIs that Chapter 7?
DarkOz the Fugitive
Chapter 7 is liquidation. Everyone knows that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapter_7,_Title_11,_United_States_Code
Quote: darkozSo what you are saying is any business can fail!
Your shady hobby has failure built
into it, just like all shady hobbies
do. The fact that you believe it will
last forever is par for the course. It's
the mistake most make who are skating
on thin ice.
"I'll just keep claiming my cat as a
dependent, I've been doing it for
6 years and nothing has happened!"
"I'll just keep selling these office
supplies I get from work on Ebay,
I've gotten away with it for 6 years!."
Quote: EvenBobYour shady hobby has failure built
into it, just like all shady hobbies
do. The fact that you believe it will
last forever is par for the course. It's
the mistake most make who are skating
on thin ice.
"I'll just keep claiming my cat as a
dependent, I've been doing it for
6 years and nothing has happened!"
"I'll just keep selling these office
supplies I get from work on Ebay,
I've gotten away with it for 6 years!."
From your description of your wifes business it sounded like that had failure written all oved it
She should have started selling on ebay
Quote: MaxPenIs that Chapter 7?
DarkOz the Fugitive
Final chapter, The Convict. Writing
the memoir from the slammer
on toilet paper.
Quote: EvenBobYour shady hobby has failure built
into it, just like all shady hobbies
do. The fact that you believe it will
last forever is par for the course. It's
the mistake most make who are skating
on thin ice.
"I'll just keep claiming my cat as a
dependent, I've been doing it for
6 years and nothing has happened!"
"I'll just keep selling these office
supplies I get from work on Ebay,
I've gotten away with it for 6 years!."
I like to read on a hammock in the summer. My shady hobby is unlikely to fail.
Quote: darkoz
She should have started selling on ebay
What do you think she's been doing
for the last 20 years. And no, there
are lots of antique businesses still
open, thousands of them. She was
doing it to make a living and not as
a hobby, and the profit margin
became so low.
I like how you're grasping at straws
trying to convince yourself this
fly by night venture you're in has
legs.
