darkoz
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December 14th, 2018 at 6:03:45 PM permalink
Obamacare has just been declared unconstitutional

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2018-12-15/obamacare-core-provisions-ruled-unconstitutional-by-judge
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Rigondeaux
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December 14th, 2018 at 6:20:08 PM permalink
I don't really know about the Constitution. However, it always seemed insane that the government could force you to buy junk from corpations that spread around enough bribes.

Even if it helped some people, a scary precedent.
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December 14th, 2018 at 6:21:02 PM permalink
"The Court ... declares the Individual Mandate ... unconstitutional," District Judge Reed O'Connor wrote in his decision. "Further, the Court declares the remaining provisions of the ACA ... are inseverable and therefore invalid."

The first part seems plausible. I think the second part may be a bit of a stretch.
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December 14th, 2018 at 7:05:09 PM permalink
Good. This should have been a priority case and decided years ago. I refused for about 18 months to participate, even though I was "required" to overpay and help cover everyone that got it for free or next to nothing.


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December 14th, 2018 at 9:09:32 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

I don't really know about the Constitution. However, it always seemed insane that the government could force you to buy junk from corpations that spread around enough bribes.

Even if it helped some people, a scary precedent.



That argument should also be made agains social security insurance / annuity that everyone is forced to buy as well. I wonder how it would go over if Trump tried to end that tax/welfare

And no one was ever forced to buy Obamacare. I never did. And the only penalty was that the government gave me complimentary health insurance
rsactuary
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December 14th, 2018 at 9:26:53 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Good. This should have been a priority case and decided years ago. I refused for about 18 months to participate, even though I was "required" to overpay and help cover everyone that got it for free or next to nothing.


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Do you have life insurance? Do you have auto insurance?
Rigondeaux
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December 14th, 2018 at 9:53:42 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

That argument should also be made agains social security insurance / annuity that everyone is forced to buy as well. I wonder how it would go over if Trump tried to end that tax/welfare

And no one was ever forced to buy Obamacare. I never did. And the only penalty was that the government gave me complimentary health insurance

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Unless I misunderstand things, no CEOs are buying yachts with the money we put into social security and then having the Clintons and Bushes over to eat babies.

Setting aside the fact that they raid the fund and all that, it's more like a forced savings than forcing you to buy a (garbage) product from a private company making a profit. You do eventually get the money back.

I don't really mind forcing people to save for retirement because the alternatives are 1) millions of old people who didn't save dying in the streets. 2) Others have to pay for their retirements.
Zcore13
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December 14th, 2018 at 10:18:29 PM permalink
Quote: rsactuary

Do you have life insurance? Do you have auto insurance?



Am I forced to purchase life insurance if I don't want to? Am I forced to cover my own car with auto insurance if I don't want to? Bad arguement.


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December 14th, 2018 at 10:37:43 PM permalink
Awesome! Now when is the IRS going to start sending out checks for the
money it stole for this violation of rights?
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December 14th, 2018 at 11:09:11 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Am I forced to purchase life insurance if I don't want to? Am I forced to cover my own car with auto insurance if I don't want to? Bad arguement.


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If you don't like being forced to carry health insurance, I assume you had enough funds to cover any health mishap no matter how expensive while you did that?

Or were planning to sponge off society if you got super sick or in a bad accident?

Fact is, if you don't carry health insurance, you're telling me you're just a potential thief. How is that any better than blaming the government for forcing you to pay for it?
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