StricklyAP/WizardofNothing
Quote: RSI think that was darkoz that said his daughter was scammed out of $4k. Or at least someone on this forum's daughter (bruh, how do you grammar this properly?).
AyeCarumba got hosed for $100.
That porsche guy for like $20-25k.
2 people I know as acquaintances, for $10-20k each.
I've heard of 2 others who got scammed out of $80-100k each.
Probably more that I can't think of. Just wake up, too damn early in the morning here. =\
I wish the 10-100k people would share their story.
Well now, that is one way of saying you don't like or agree with what I said. In equating my assertions that this jerk was obvious, to shaming rape victims, I also suspect that you might still disagree even if you didn't equate something that wasn't said or implied (if this was obvious then all are) with something outrageous and sleazy that doesn't even follow the false premise (therefore all who are harmed by any level or kind of malevolent deceit in all circumstances must be blamed). You left out "just like Hitler" along the way, but I forgive the oversight.Quote: gordonm888Do you also blame rape victims, saying that they should have known better?
But it remains true that even among the *ahem* unique audience in this forum which attracts some folks with *uhh* unusual observation & deduction methods, some did, in fact, think it was immediately intuitively very apparent that this guy was an especially ridiculous phony and an exceptionally witless specimen of humaniod bullsheet factory, and that whoever this individual really is & whatever his purpose was, he was so transparently crude about it here that he wasn't very good at all at being a phony (which of course means I have contempt for all rape victims, probably even children). And I'll continue to think so, about him and some others, and I don't feel required to wear a 'reductio ad absurdum' scarlet letter from you for it. Some people (not including me) even said so here in different ways, and sometimes had there knuckles rapped a bit for doing so. Which is not just like supporting rapists. But is kinda like...
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/29565-jdeze-college-cover-picks/10/#post610597
[With bold emphasis added.]
Oh.Quote: gordonm888<SNIP>... I'm thinking there's a lot of harrassment of Joel on this thread that must be based on prior grievances and/or personal animosity, but is not justified by what he has said on this thread. The only persons who are notifying us that Joel offers a service-for-fee are the group of people that are expressing contempt for him.
...<SNIP>...
And I think that Joel's critics are underestimating the level of sophistication of people in this forum. WOV is not a forum full of inexperienced, gullible wanna-be gamblers and we don't need your protection. IMO, many of the people reading this thread are as sharp and experienced (or more so) than those of you who are criticizing Joel. And many of us do not appreciate...
You probably won't, but there's a rhetorical question spawned which would be good to quietly consider a bit: So, which is it? Super sharp ultra sophisticated so shouldn't have to see annoying red flags raised in an intended fan club cheering section? Or not so much, and so therefore, everyone must be considered cursed to remain an oblivious victim always unavoidably vulnerable to any and all scams including the most lame fakes that cross their path? Or, is some other door #3 answer possible to ever conceive? Don't answer me, that doesn't matter, and I won't even see it. Just a suggestion for a moment of self reflection. If one really isn't in favor of rolling over for the same sort of things that turned out to be pretty bad judgments more than once before.
Good luck.
Quote: GWAEI wish the 10-100k people would share their story.
That’s kind of what I’m saying. Because if people are losing $50 at a time, it takes a while to get to where he has “stolen millions”. I keep hearing rumors about $100k this and that but no actual person seems to have come forward with a reasonable story saying that. From what I see in this thread, there are direct accounts totaling maybe $10k. Not a small amount but not millions either.
I guess I can at this point just assume that this “casinokiller” person feels wronged and decided to make up a lot of nonsense about “millions”. Apparently the kind of person that is reckless enough to violate so many state and federal laws in his bid for revenge will also embellish the losses by a few hundred times.
Ironically, if this thread represents the extent of WON’s conduct, casinokiller et al are looking at more jail time than WON himself. Classic case of going about things the wrong way.
ZCore13
Quote: cwazyThat’s kind of what I’m saying. Because if people are losing $50 at a time, it takes a while to get to where he has “stolen millions”. I keep hearing rumors about $100k this and that but no actual person seems to have come forward with a reasonable story saying that. From what I see in this thread, there are direct accounts totaling maybe $10k. Not a small amount but not millions either.
I guess I can at this point just assume that this “casinokiller” person feels wronged and decided to make up a lot of nonsense about “millions”. Apparently the kind of person that is reckless enough to violate so many state and federal laws in his bid for revenge will also embellish the losses by a few hundred times.
Ironically, if this thread represents the extent of WON’s conduct, casinokiller et al are looking at more jail time than WON himself. Classic case of going about things the wrong way.
It was my daughter that was taken by WON for$4000. Hardly $50 but significant to her being in her twenties with 2 kids
He attempted to get me for$50,000 but failed
I am sure there are plenty others
I'm trying to figure out your angle here. He's been scamming for at least close to a decade. Being in his forties I'd lay money a lot longer than that. It's quite possible he scammed over a million lifetime
Why is it important if he only scammed a few hundred thousand. That makes it defensible?
Quote: darkozIt was my daughter that was taken by WON for$4000. Hardly $50 but significant to her being in her twenties with 2 kids
He attempted to get me for$50,000 but failed
I am sure there are plenty others
I'm trying to figure out your angle here. He's been scamming for at least close to a decade. Being in his forties I'd lay money a lot longer than that. It's quite possible he scammed over a million lifetime
Why is it important if he only scammed a few hundred thousand. That makes it defensible?
I’m trying to figure out how you even got to a “few hundred thousand” based on this thread. You claim to have lost $4k, and that seems to be the largest credible number in this entire thread. The site casinokiller created makes a statement of fact. It says he has “stolen millions”. I’m trying to figure out how he got to that. Because if that statement of fact was made up, the rest of the information on his site has zero credibility.
My “angle” is that I don’t like bullies or witch hunts, and this whole thing seems to have plenty of both. Now he is stealing money from Bob Dancer’s daughter (does he even have kids?). I have a strong sense of right and wrong. If WON has stolen money, then that’s wrong and it absolutely should be handled forcefully using any legal means necessary. But that isn’t what’s happening here. This is anything but legal, and most of it appears to be based upon rumor and innuendo which makes it even worse.
I have repeatedly asked this and been ignored each time. If he’s stolen money from casinokiller, why not just go to the police instead of exposing himself to stalking, harassment, and extortion charges?
Quote: cwazyThat’s kind of what I’m saying. Because if people are losing $50 at a time, it takes a while to get to where he has “stolen millions”. I keep hearing rumors about $100k this and that but no actual person seems to have come forward with a reasonable story saying that. From what I see in this thread, there are direct accounts totaling maybe $10k. Not a small amount but not millions either.
I guess I can at this point just assume that this “casinokiller” person feels wronged and decided to make up a lot of nonsense about “millions”. Apparently the kind of person that is reckless enough to violate so many state and federal laws in his bid for revenge will also embellish the losses by a few hundred times.
Ironically, if this thread represents the extent of WON’s conduct, casinokiller et al are looking at more jail time than WON himself. Classic case of going about things the wrong way.
It's my understanding that you would be incorrect to extrapolate $50 scams in all or even most cases. However, I only have 2nd and 3rd hand knowledge of those situations.
I also have heard that at least one major incident is being pursued legally. So it seems doubtful that one will be told here.
Quote: cwazyI’m trying to figure out how you even got to a “few hundred thousand” based on this thread. You claim to have lost $4k, and that seems to be the largest credible number in this entire thread. The site casinokiller created makes a statement of fact. It says he has “stolen millions”. I’m trying to figure out how he got to that. Because if that statement of fact was made up, the rest of the information on his site has zero credibility.
My “angle” is that I don’t like bullies or witch hunts, and this whole thing seems to have plenty of both. Now he is stealing money from Bob Dancer’s daughter (does he even have kids?). I have a strong sense of right and wrong. If WON has stolen money, then that’s wrong and it absolutely should be handled forcefully using any legal means necessary. But that isn’t what’s happening here. This is anything but legal, and most of it appears to be based upon rumor and innuendo which makes it even worse.
I have repeatedly asked this and been ignored each time. If he’s stolen money from casinokiller, why not just go to the police instead of exposing himself to stalking, harassment, and extortion charges?
But you repeatedly skip or ignore messages on this thread. In the last 2 pages it's been stated multiple times it was my daughter not Bob dancer that he ripped off. Bob dancer has his own scam story but it doesn't involve his daughter
Your sense of right and wrong is a scammer should only be accused of the precise number of scammed victims. If it turns out to be 90 instead of 100 victims then you believe WON has some right to remuneration?
Quote: darkozIt was my daughter that was taken by WON for$4000. Hardly $50 but significant to her being in her twenties with 2 kids
He attempted to get me for$50,000 but failed
I am sure there are plenty others
I'm trying to figure out your angle here. He's been scamming for at least close to a decade. Being in his forties I'd lay money a lot longer than that. It's quite possible he scammed over a million lifetime
Why is it important if he only scammed a few hundred thousand. That makes it defensible?
Maybe you shared it already but how did he almost do that.
It just hit me tonight that I am pretty sure he tried to get me for 25k. He wanted me to go to Reno with him. He sent me a pic of this nice presidential suite. He said we would go together and I could have the suite. He was going to send in front money of 100k and I was going to send in front money of 25k. For that they were going to give me 5k in free play that we would split. The trip ended getting cancelled because I think he realized that I did not have 25k. Now this might have been legit and I thought it was at the time, but after everything else has surfaced I wonder if he had a way to get my front money. Maybe we would both be on the account since he was bringing me. Or like I said, maybe he was conning the casino into free play but needed someone else's front money.
Quote: GWAEMaybe you shared it already but how did he almost do that.
It just hit me tonight that I am pretty sure he tried to get me for 25k. He wanted me to go to Reno with him. He sent me a pic of this nice presidential suite. He said we would go together and I could have the suite. He was going to send in front money of 100k and I was going to send in front money of 25k. For that they were going to give me 5k in free play that we would split. The trip ended getting cancelled because I think he realized that I did not have 25k. Now this might have been legit and I thought it was at the time, but after everything else has surfaced I wonder if he had a way to get my front money. Maybe we would both be on the account since he was bringing me. Or like I said, maybe he was conning the casino into free play but needed someone else's front money.
Yes it's detailed in my OP. Basically he wanted me to join him in being a patron banker at Florida table games. It's a similar setup to how things are done in California. At least the way he described it
He wanted me to pony up $50k for the investment but I declined
Quote: darkozYes it's detailed in my OP. Basically he wanted me to join him in being a patron banker at Florida table games. It's a similar setup to how things are done in California. At least the way he described it
He wanted me to pony up $50k for the investment but I declined
Ahh yes I remember that now.
Quote: NathanI wonder about how wise making online bets with anonymous and faceless people really is. You don't actually know what they look like, so there's nothing to say that the faceless Welcher on the other side of the screen won't just log off and never pay you your money on a lost bet.
Same thing can happen with an online casino
Quote: darkoz
But you repeatedly skip or ignore messages on this thread. In the last 2 pages it's been stated multiple times it was my daughter not Bob dancer that he ripped off. Bob dancer has his own scam story but it doesn't involve his daughter
Your sense of right and wrong is a scammer should only be accused of the precise number of scammed victims. If it turns out to be 90 instead of 100 victims then you believe WON has some right to remuneration?
My point is that there is a big difference between a few thousand and “millions”. It’s not the difference between 90 and 100 victims. Further, even if it were “millions” (which based on this thread seems to have been debunked), this whole course of conduct engaged in by casinokiller is definitely the wrong (not to mention illegal) way to go about it. WON certainly has a right to see this person go to jail for what he’s done, if you consider that to be “remuneration”.
We have laws in this country. Either follow them or don’t, but if you don’t, be prepared to face the consequences. The fact that this person has chosen to go the stalking and extortion route rather than the law enforcement route also calls into question whether or not he has a legitimate claim. Any normal person with a legitimate claim would just go to the cops instead of exposing themselves to criminal and civil liability.
Quote: cwazyMy point is that there is a big difference between a few thousand and “millions”. It’s not the difference between 90 and 100 victims. Further, even if it were “millions” (which based on this thread seems to have been debunked), this whole course of conduct engaged in by casinokiller is definitely the wrong (not to mention illegal) way to go about it. WON certainly has a right to see this person go to jail for what he’s done, if you consider that to be “remuneration”.
We have laws in this country. Either follow them or don’t, but if you don’t, be prepared to face the consequences. The fact that this person has chosen to go the stalking and extortion route rather than the law enforcement route also calls into question whether or not he has a legitimate claim. Any normal person with a legitimate claim would just go to the cops instead of exposing themselves to criminal and civil liability.
It's possible that you don't know the entire story. Maybe they already went to law enforcement and they wouldn't do anything.
Why is the website illegal?
There used to be sites listing abortion doctors, then they were being murdered. I'd go with that angle. Plus as stated, illegal to register a site to another person's name etc. It seems definitely something there could be some kind of civil case over.Quote: GWAEIt's possible that you don't know the entire story. Maybe they already went to law enforcement and they wouldn't do anything.
Why is the website illegal?
Quote: GWAEWhy is the website illegal?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/30418-stricklyap-wizardofnothing/20/#post633077
Quote: GWAEMaybe they already went to law enforcement and they wouldn't do anything.
Cops spend most of their time going after former felons....they're low hanging fruit. If there were a credible claim made, they'd be salivating over it. If cops investigated and found the claim to not be credible, then we shouldn't either.
Quote: cwazyhttps://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/30418-stricklyap-wizardofnothing/20/#post633077
Cops spend most of their time going after former felons....it's low hanging fruit. If there were a credible claim made, they'd be salivating over it. If cops investigated and found the claim to not be credible, then we shouldn't either.
I don't understand why it would be stalking to post if everything on there is true.
Quote: GWAEI don't understand why it would be stalking to post if everything on there is true.
It's stalking because this entire campaign is designed to "inflict significant emotional distress," is it not? If not, what's the point? What was the point (if what I heard was true) of creating fake Facebook profiles using the mugshot and then using that account hunt down and send the URL of this site to several of his wife's family members? In your country that may be acceptable behavior, but in the US, that's textbook stalking. Further, if the site is being used to pressure him into paying, that's extortion. Finally, simply registering a domain using another person's name is illegal and WON can be awarded up to $100,000 plus attorney's fees just for that.
Quote: cwazyIt's stalking because this entire campaign is designed to "inflict significant emotional distress," is it not? If not, what's the point? What was the point (if what I heard was true) of creating fake Facebook profiles using the mugshot and then using that account hunt down and send the URL of this site to several of his wife's family members? In your country that may be acceptable behavior, but in the US, that's textbook stalking. Further, if the site is being used to pressure him into paying, that's extortion. Finally, simply registering a domain using another person's name is illegal and WON can be awarded up to $100,000 plus attorney's fees just for that.
I didn't know that I moved.
I am not arguing with you but maybe playing devils advocate.
But is emotional distress if you point out something that Jeff did? If I were to assume everything was true then it would be stuff he should be proud of. Almost like a wall of honor. Why would he do something that he was no proud of?
Where did you hear these Facebook stories?
Quote: DrawingDeadWell dude, you damn well better get used to it, because I won't stop pointing out the obvious once in a while, and when I don't feel like it there will generally be some others around to do so no matter how you want to smear it. Just like before, when you didn't like discouraging words from others about a tout marketing thread, including some who specifically knew him, some who had direct personal experience, and you wanted to put a stop to them interrupting with critical warnings. Which must be just like helping rapists get more victims, right?Well now, that is one way of saying you don't like or agree with what I said. In equating my assertions that this jerk was obvious, to shaming rape victims, I also suspect that you might still disagree even if you didn't equate something that wasn't said or implied (if this was obvious then all are) with something outrageous and sleazy that doesn't even follow the false premise (therefore all who are harmed by any level or kind of malevolent deceit in all circumstances must be blamed). You left out "just like Hitler" along the way, but I forgive the oversight.
But it remains true that even among the *ahem* unique audience in this forum which attracts some folks with *uhh* unusual observation & deduction methods, some did, in fact, think it was immediately intuitively very apparent that this guy was an especially ridiculous phony and an exceptionally witless specimen of humaniod bullsheet factory, and that whoever this individual really is & whatever his purpose was, he was so transparently crude about it here that he wasn't very good at all at being a phony (which of course means I have contempt for all rape victims, probably even children). And I'll continue to think so, about him and some others, and I don't feel required to wear a 'reductio ad absurdum' scarlet letter from you for it. Some people (not including me) even said so here in different ways, and sometimes had there knuckles rapped a bit for doing so. Which is not just like supporting rapists. But is kinda like...
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/29565-jdeze-college-cover-picks/10/#post610597
[With bold emphasis added.]Oh.Quote: gordonm888<SNIP>... I'm thinking there's a lot of harrassment of Joel on this thread that must be based on prior grievances and/or personal animosity, but is not justified by what he has said on this thread. The only persons who are notifying us that Joel offers a service-for-fee are the group of people that are expressing contempt for him.
...<SNIP>...
And I think that Joel's critics are underestimating the level of sophistication of people in this forum. WOV is not a forum full of inexperienced, gullible wanna-be gamblers and we don't need your protection. IMO, many of the people reading this thread are as sharp and experienced (or more so) than those of you who are criticizing Joel. And many of us do not appreciate...
You probably won't, but there's a rhetorical question spawned which would be good to quietly consider a bit: So, which is it? Super sharp ultra sophisticated so shouldn't have to see annoying red flags raised in an intended fan club cheering section? Or not so much, and so therefore, everyone must be considered cursed to remain an oblivious victim always unavoidably vulnerable to any and all scams including the most lame fakes that cross their path? Or, is some other door #3 answer possible to ever conceive? Don't answer me, that doesn't matter, and I won't even see it. Just a suggestion for a moment of self reflection. If one really isn't in favor of rolling over for the same sort of things that turned out to be pretty bad judgments more than once before.
Good luck.
This is a situation where you have gotten way too agitated over a post and I really don't care to respond and escalate this any further except to say this:
Kissy, kissy, hug, hug. I love you as a fellow human being. Kissy-mouth. Slurp, slurp.
(I assume I can't be suspended for expressing affection.)
Quote: cwazyIt's stalking because this entire campaign is designed to "inflict significant emotional distress," is it not? If not, what's the point? What was the point (if what I heard was true) of creating fake Facebook profiles using the mugshot and then using that account hunt down and send the URL of this site to several of his wife's family members? In your country that may be acceptable behavior, but in the US, that's textbook stalking. Further, if the site is being used to pressure him into paying, that's extortion. Finally, simply registering a domain using another person's name is illegal and WON can be awarded up to $100,000 plus attorney's fees just for that.
So what? The post was removed here. WoN is a criminal. If he feels slandered by this other guy, he'll do something about. Unless you are somehow associated with WoN , it's none of your business if he chooses to pursue or not.
ZCore13
Quote: GWAE
But is emotional distress if you point out something that Jeff did?
Quote: Zcore13So what? The post was removed here. WoN is a criminal. If he feels slandered by this other guy, he'll do something about. Unless you are somehow associated with WoN , it's none of your business if he chooses to pursue or not.
I think any reasonable person would conclude that this whole thing was designed to inflict emotional distress on him. That is stalking. I for one hope he goes to the cops and gets casinokiller and anyone else involved in this whole campaign arrested for stalking. I guess I just can't stand bullies, and this feels like a very bullying-type move.
As with any good witch hunt, anyone that even questions the mob is branded a witch and starts to get attacked themselves. That seems to be happening to me now, so I'll leave you guys to it. Happy hunting.
Quote: cwazyI think any reasonable person would conclude that this whole thing was designed to inflict emotional distress on him. That is stalking. I for one hope he goes to the cops and gets casinokiller and anyone else involved in this whole campaign arrested for stalking. I guess I just can't stand bullies, and this feels like a very bullying-type move.
As with any good witch hunt, anyone that even questions the mob is branded a witch and starts to get attacked themselves. That seems to be happening to me now, so I'll leave you guys to it. Happy hunting.
I never attacked, just stating my opinion. I guess we can agree to disagree.
Quote: GWAEWell you can add my 675 to the number.
I am doubting he hit the millions but maybe.
Care to share this story? Or have you already?
Quote: PokerGrinderCare to share this story? Or have you already?
I have in the past. It's not too exciting. I will revisit it but not tonight. Time for bed
GWAE said he almost got him for $25k. There are many more cases where he tried to scam people and others where he actually has. I’d say it’s quite likely no one’s talking about it because....lawyers generally tell you not to talk about what happened.
I don’t think the website is used to try to get WON to pay people back. Don’t think he even has that money and the people who got scammed know it. He’s a degenerate and likely lost all of much of the money he’s scammed from people. The website is a warning to others to not deal with him.
Making sense yet....?
In a thread titled “loss rebate syndicate,” Cwazy appears to have been summoned by WoN to help answer the question.
I don’t really care what your relationship with him was or why you appear to have an interest in suppressing public info about him, but the “can’t stand bullies” crap doesn’t hold water.
Quote: mcallister3200Cwazy semi active, semi inactive poster. Suddenly very interested in some sort of SJW bully stopping. Ok....
In a thread titled “loss rebate syndicate,” Cwazy appears to have been summoned by WoN to help answer the question.
I don’t really care what your relationship with him was or why you appear to have an interest in suppressing public info about him, but the “can’t stand bullies” crap doesn’t hold water.
I won’t even grace that with a response. But again...
As with any good witch hunt, anyone that even questions the mob is branded a witch and starts to get attacked themselves.
Kind of bearing itself out now. So no more questioning the mob. Do your thing. I don’t currently do business with anyone on this forum and have no plans to, so you can try to assasinate my character with ridiculous assertions (someone once replied to a post I made, therefore we must be working together...hell perhaps we are the same person) as much as you’d like. It affects my life in no way, shape, or form. I challenge you to find a single person on here saying that I have done or attempted to do a single unethical thing to them - ever. Find one and I’ll send you a $50 gift card :)
Can’t wait to see what comes up on cwazyisascammer.com
Quote: mcallister3200Nope that’s it. I’m just trying to understand the clear interest in defending him, haven’t seen what I would consider a reasonable explanation, haven’t seen you defend others like that so just curious where that’s coming from, very suddenly.
Show me a single sentence I have posted saying that people should go easy on him or excusing any form of theft or fraud that he may have perpetrated. I’ll save you some time...you won’t find one, because I didn’t write one.
Quote: cwazyAny normal person with a legitimate claim would just go to the cops instead of exposing themselves to criminal and civil liability.
Sure, like the cops will arrest him.
They'll say "It's a civil matter."
Why sue, the guy is almost certainly uncollectable.
No, he'll skate unless and until someone decides to "take the law into their own hands."
Quote: MrVNo, he'll skate unless and until someone decides to "take the law into their own hands."
According to the site, they’ve arrested him for things like this before. Why wouldn’t they do it again?
Quote: mcallister3200You are skilled in your use of “,but” statements.
I’m also critical of using torture on terrorism suspects to get confessions because that tactic is illegal. By your logic, I assume that means I endorse and defend terrorists?
Quote: cwazyMy point is that there is a big difference between a few thousand and “millions”. It’s not the difference between 90 and 100 victims. Further, even if it were “millions” (which based on this thread seems to have been debunked), this whole course of conduct engaged in by casinokiller is definitely the wrong (not to mention illegal) way to go about it. WON certainly has a right to see this person go to jail for what he’s done, if you consider that to be “remuneration”.
We have laws in this country. Either follow them or don’t, but if you don’t, be prepared to face the consequences. The fact that this person has chosen to go the stalking and extortion route rather than the law enforcement route also calls into question whether or not he has a legitimate claim. Any normal person with a legitimate claim would just go to the cops instead of exposing themselves to criminal and civil liability.
I believe there are a few internet forums where victims of Bernie Madoff convene to discuss things. Perhaps you should take your crusade up a notch and head over there to make sure nobody is inflating the $17.1 billion figure he frauded people out of.
Really tho , even if all WON had done was scam darkoz’s daughter out of 4000 and nothing else , he’s still a piece of sh*t and a criminal for that alone.
Quote: michael99000
Really tho , even if all WON had done was scam darkoz’s daughter out of 4000 and nothing else , he’s still a piece of sh*t and a criminal for that alone.
That may be true, but it doesn’t excuse the use of illegal, criminal tactics to exact revenge.
Quote: cwazyThat may be true, but it doesn’t excuse the use of illegal, criminal tactics to exact revenge.
What illegal tactics have been used to get revenge? All I see is a website that was setup to help prevent others from being scammed by him.
Quote: RSIf we’re going to play technicality games, so can I.
What illegal tactics have been used to get revenge? All I see is a website that was setup to help prevent others from being scammed by him.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/30418-stricklyap-wizardofnothing/20/#post633077
The rest of us are simply relating our personal first hand knowledge of assocation with WON and/or discussing it with others
If casino killer has broken laws then it's up to WON to press the issue not you
I doubt WON will do that because his shenanigans will come to the cops attention as well
So fait accompli if I used that term correct
Quote: cwazyThat may be true, but it doesn’t excuse the use of illegal, criminal tactics to exact revenge.
You are alleging someone used "illegal, criminal tactics". Please show us which court of law has convicted that person?
Of course none. So it is your opinion, interpretation, guess......
If you believe a crime has been committed, what authority have you notified? I assume as a good law abiding citizen you feel a duty to report all crimes you witness?
Quote: cwazyI’m also critical of using torture on terrorism suspects to get confessions because that tactic is illegal. By your logic, I assume that means I endorse and defend terrorists?
It does infer you are soft on them, just like your being soft on WoN. Gives us some good insight I guess.
ZCore13
Quote: darkozCwazy you seem to be having your own witch hunt against casino killer
You’re right, because once again, I don’t like bullies and these are bullying tactics. Regardless, I am done discussing this unless people (once again) try to malign my character.
Quote: cwazyYou’re right, because once again, I don’t like bullies and these are bullying tactics. Regardless, I am done discussing this unless people (once again) try to malign my character.
All I have done is tell my story as it relates to me
I waited nearly 3/4 of a year and did so only because the mods opened this thread with invitation to discuss the details
That's hardly bullying
I won't malign your character I will just say you are cwazy
Quote: darkozAll I have done is tell my story as it relates to me
I waited nearly 3/4 of a year and did so only because the mods opened this thread with invitation to discuss the details
That's hardly bullying
I won't malign your character I will just say you are cwazy
I wasn’t referring to you as a bully, unless you setup that site and began promoting it in forums. And now I’m crazy because I object to stalking and extortion, regardless of who the victim is. You have to love the viper pit that this place has become.
Quote: darkozAll I have done is tell my story as it relates to me
I waited nearly 3/4 of a year and did so only because the mods opened this thread with invitation to discuss the details
That's hardly bullying
I think that all that cwazy is alluding to is that if one believes that a crime is committed you involved LEO. He feels that taking matters into one's own hands and harassing/bullying the offender is equally as wrong.
There is a moral dis-equivalence here at play though. First off, there is no way that LEO would charge and enforce something that is shady anyway (the use of player's card that doesn't belong to the true identity of the holder) for trade. Secondly, if the person taking matters into their own hands was doing something illegal, the offender has the right to pick up the phone and call the police.
It's grey-area for grey-area.
IMO, it wouldn't be worth the effort to harass the person. However, I see it as a public service in mentioning their behavior on a forum in order to protect the public, even though it is heresay. I imagine that if victim had a problem with it he could file a lawsuit against WoV for slander/libel.
Quote: cwazyAnd now I’m crazy because I object to stalking and extortion, regardless of who the victim is.
Not crazy, cwazy.
Quote: cwazyYou’re right, because once again, I don’t like bullies and these are bullying tactics.
LOL, I mean I laughed at loud at this. First, if you don't like bullies then stay off of social media - including the WOV Forum. In my experience, WoN was the biggest bully I encountered on this forum. He would spam some of my threads, making countless personal attacks on me that were worded in ways that skirted the Forum's rules about personal attacks.
If you had told me that one member of this forum was a scumbag con-artist who cheated people, I would have hoped it would have been WoN - because he was such a bully.
