SM777
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October 19th, 2017 at 7:18:49 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: JoelDeze

Week 8:



No notes. Don't have time. Enjoy.



Thanks for posting. But please don't report a percentage of wins ever. Most of your picks lay more juice than the usual 11-10. If these picks hit 55%, usually a good win rate, you would lose money.

Also unusual that the great majority of your picks are favorites. Just an observation.



Joel would never buy points, lay more than -110, and not alert anyone.... Oh wait.....
AxelWolf
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October 19th, 2017 at 9:14:45 AM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

You copied posts from me regarding craps and 3 card poker for one particular week into a sports discussion thread? Reaching?

As a rebuttal for "casino" related topics, I am in the negative overall. I am not an AP casino player and do not believe any system can win at casino games. It is all based on variance.

Please stay on topic. I would also ask a moderator to review Axels post as he is mixing information related to casino topics into a sports thread. The two have nothing to do with each other. The posts he copied relating to the day by day have nothing to do with sporting wagers. Also, casinos are not books.

Thanks.

Ya, I should have made that more clear for people who don't know your history, sorry if I caused any confusion. I was not trying to insinuate those numbers represented sports. My post was directed at lilredrooster who brought up other forms of gambling.
Quote: lilredrooster

You and others often imply that if you have an edge in sports betting you should be making big bucks. It just doesn't work like that. I'm sure there are hundreds who beat sports but never bet or make big bucks. They just don't have that tolerance for risk. You can call them wimpy if you want. There are poker players who win but never bet big or fork over the 10K or whatever it takes to enter the big tournaments. There are blackjack APs who have a top bet of $150 and there are those who have a top bet of 2K. If a person is profitable long term I give them some credit for that. I don't demand that they prove their greatness by showing me their mansion in the hills.

One of the points I was trying to make(assuming that's all true) is that you don't seem very risk-averse. It's mindboggling to me that it took you this long to come to the conclusion that no betting system works.

I would also ask a moderator to review all of JoelDeze's posts, they seem to have a grooming vibe that may entice some gullible dreamers.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
gordonm888
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Thanks for this post from:
JoelDeze
October 19th, 2017 at 11:56:43 AM permalink
I'm thinking there's a lot of harrassment of Joel on this thread that must be based on prior grievances and/or personal animosity, but is not justified by what he has said on this thread. The only persons who are notifying us that Joel offers a service-for-fee are the group of people that are expressing contempt for him.

And I think that Joel's critics are underestimating the level of sophistication of people in this forum. WOV is not a forum full of inexperienced, gullible wanna-be gamblers and we don't need your protection. IMO, many of the people reading this thread are as sharp and experienced (or more so) than those of you who are criticizing Joel. And many of us do not appreciate this seemingly unprovoked schoolyard taunting and hostile hectoring.

To Joel's Critics: We've heard your criticism of Joel - you've repeated it over and over. We have been adequately warned, thank you. Please be at peace and understand that most of us are perfectly capable of evaluating the quality of what Joel posts. Please let him post his analyses and picks, if that's what he wants to do. Whether someone is a fool or Albert Einstein, I personally welcome anyone's posts if they are earnestly presenting their analysis of some gambling topic.

To be clear: I know nothing about JoelDeze and am NOT endorsing him. I am asking for a less combative tone in this discussion.
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pwcrabb
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October 19th, 2017 at 12:05:41 PM permalink
Bravo GordonM888
"I suppose I was mad. Every great genius is mad upon the subject in which he is greatest. The unsuccessful madman is disgraced and called a lunatic." Fitz-James O'Brien, The Diamond Lens (1858)
SM777
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October 19th, 2017 at 12:24:19 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

I'm thinking there's a lot of harrassment of Joel on this thread that must be based on prior grievances and/or personal animosity, but is not justified by what he has said on this thread. The only persons who are notifying us that Joel offers a service-for-fee are the group of people that are expressing contempt for him.

And I think that Joel's critics are underestimating the level of sophistication of people in this forum. WOV is not a forum full of inexperienced, gullible wanna-be gamblers and we don't need your protection. IMO, many of the people reading this thread are as sharp and experienced (or more so) than those of you who are criticizing Joel. And many of us do not appreciate this seemingly unprovoked schoolyard taunting and hostile hectoring.

To Joel's Critics: We've heard your criticism of Joel - you've repeated it over and over. We have been adequately warned, thank you. Please be at peace and understand that most of us are perfectly capable of evaluating the quality of what Joel posts. Please let him post his analyses and picks, if that's what he wants to do. Whether someone is a fool or Albert Einstein, I personally welcome anyone's posts if they are earnestly presenting their analysis of some gambling topic.

To be clear: I know nothing about JoelDeze and am NOT endorsing him. I am asking for a less combative tone in this discussion.



Starting a new thread doesn't erase the lying about vig on bets placed, declaring winners after results are in for games not posted, changing teams in parlays during the game, and many other infractions all in an attempt to get people of this great forum to sign up for his scam.

Oh well, Joel started a new thread. He's all of a sudden never tried to deceive the forum with his sports bets. That's how you think it should work? Well, I hate to break it to you, but it doesn't work like that. Those things still exist, and very recently, and in this very thread.
DrawingDead
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October 19th, 2017 at 2:15:07 PM permalink
First, disclaimer: I have nothing to say about the OP in particular, now or in context of past record, since I haven't looked back sufficiently to have any sensible basis to form my own opinion on that, and I don't plan to. So this is not necessarily commenting specifically about that, or intended as advocating a judgment of this individual and his handiwork. But, in general:

1. This is a forum, meaning a thread for the explicit purpose of inviting discussion and critique, no matter who likes it or doesn't. Leastwise I sure as all Hell hope it still is. Not a blog, which is where some with tender sensibilities seem to want to be instead. There are a lot of those around, so go have fun chanting at a Buddha in the echo chamber, and bring some incense or scented candles. Maybe the OP will decide it suits him to do this in a blog, which he might choose to limit to his narrative, with or without also participating in an open discussion thread. Or not. But if THIS stuff here bugs someone overmuch, they REALLY don't want to ever see a halfway decent quality poker discussion forum where people go and intentionally open their play to rigorously withering scrutiny, in order to get better; let alone ever venture into a more serious sort of sports betting forum.

2....
Quote: gordonm888

...<SNIP>...

... WOV is not a forum full of inexperienced, gullible wanna-be gamblers and... <SNIP>...

Yes it is.
Quote: beachmonkey

any money management system for this win lose actual games
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...and, speaking in general it is just about the most gullible least scrutinizing forum host for a particular genre, the tout "picks" subspecies of system advocates, that I can think of, outside of the notorious stench of the shill sites that are business partners with a stable of touts, advancing their sleazy business model in part by suppressing any potential discouraging words scrutinizing the constantly morphing virtual character concoctions supplying 'expert' sports-themed glorified-horoscope picks to those feeble minded enough to imagine anything like that ever ends well. A significant portion of folks on this forum don't even know the basics of how to count results effectively, what metrics are relevant & useful, and what's not, to even get much of a clue how it might really be going, and why & how any of that would matter, and the critical matter of rigorously honest record keeping formats.

I might join the view of some that protecting people from themselves may not be productive, but maybe for a different reason, in that it probably has no lasting benefit for those determined to latch onto fantasies. They'll always find another, and another, and yet another way to puke their money. And a series of temporary fantasies may even be implicitly what they really want, and why a particular sort tends get angry at any attempts at an injection of reality. But y'all don't get to shut people up, no matter how it grates on your feelings about floating in the clouds with Peter Pan & Tinker Belle.
"I'm against stuff like crack and math" --AxelWolf
gordonm888
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October 19th, 2017 at 3:36:06 PM permalink
Quote: DrawingDead

But y'all don't get to shut people up, no matter how it grates on your feelings about floating in the clouds with Peter Pan & Tinker Belle.



Actually, right now I am, in fact, blocking SM777, Axelwolf and NokTang so I do not have to see their posts when I scroll through this thread.

I have thanked SM777, Axelwolf and Noktang for their criticisms -and I was sincere, because I appreciated their input. I have an open mind and appreciate information. But they are repeating themselves and I find it tedious to read repetitious arguments, especially from angry people. And I find its much easier to navigate this thread to find something I want if it is not cluttered with their posts.

And Tinker says Hi! and Peter asked me to say Kissy-Kissy! to you.
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SM777
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October 19th, 2017 at 3:45:51 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Actually, right now I am, in fact, blocking SM777, Axelwolf and NokTang so I do not have to see their posts when I scroll through this thread.



Thank God!
beachmonkey
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October 19th, 2017 at 5:02:17 PM permalink
Thanks drawing dead I must be the luckiest gullible wanna be on the planet as my SOLE source of income is derived from gambling. Gee I have no idea how Iíve managed these last four years or so relying solely on luck. Thanks for pointing that out to me and Iíd best go get me a day job lickety slick , thanks big boss for having such a level humble opinion of yourself. You know I have taken so much more value in improving my education from your very wise post that I will totally dismiss anything I have learned from what I had assumed where other qualified posters
Sorry axel wolf, steeldco, that don guy and the many others . Iím going to have to purge any insights Iíve gleamed from you all as I can see anything you all have had to offer is redundant , as per drawing deadís all knowing ability to to precisely access another unknown person .
Is there anything else you can tell me drawing dead? Am I going be gay? Will I have children? Now that Iím looking for a 9-5 job what would my best choice of profession be ? should I buy that Range Rover I have my eye on ?
You are obviously God incarnate and who are we to even think that we can exist without verbose diatribe.
Do tell .
Kind regards
P.s Administration if thatís considered an offence in reply Iím more than happy to take the ban. Cheers.
beachmonkey
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October 19th, 2017 at 5:24:30 PM permalink
Drawing dead ,
Kind regards
P.s Iíll take a ban for that as well.
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