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March 14th, 2018 at 8:02:45 AM permalink
Quote: rsactuary

Put moderate candidates in and win in a landslide in November.



I've been hoping for moderate candidates since the Bush administration, but everyone seems to think they have to out-crazy each other.
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March 14th, 2018 at 8:11:18 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

I've been hoping for moderate candidates since the Bush administration, but everyone seems to think they have to out-crazy each other.



I agree completely!
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March 14th, 2018 at 8:26:25 AM permalink
I have heard a lot of chatter about two specific seat losses—the one in Alabama and the one that looks to be happening. The Moore deal was a fiasco that got worse when his sexual dalliances became known. How was it even close? The Pennsylvania one is a Democrat running as a conservative against a poor Republican candidate in a district that will disappear shortly. The Republican who held the seat had sex-related issues of his own.

Those are Democrat victories, but are they truly where you want to hang your hat? Crap candidates, a conservative (supposedly) Democrat, and a disappearing district?

The narrative the Democrats want to believe is that the Republicans are losing like never before. That could happen, of course, but we are a long way from there. There is a lot of time between now and November.

“The most recent three midterm elections — 2006, 2010, and 2014 — have all been “wave” elections in which there was a backlash against the president’s party.”

“In 16 out of those 18 midterms, the president’s party has lost House seats.”

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/9/15550314/2018-elections-midterms-democrats-chances-house

Yes, the Democrats could have an “unprecedented” win in November. It is far more likely it will be somewhere close to historical results for them…and anything less than the historical results could well be seen by impartial observers as a poor outcome. Couple that with a number of the “winners” potential running more towards the middle or right than the party’s chosen left direction, and it could be a big problem for them.
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March 14th, 2018 at 8:38:41 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

The Pennsylvania one is a Democrat running as a conservative against a poor Republican candidate in a district that will disappear shortly.



Could you please explain how he ran as a conservative?

I keep seeing righties say this, but without any evidence backing up that claim.

He was pro-union, pro-Obamacare, anti-Trump tax cut, and supports abortion rights. I'd love to hear which conservative stances he ran on!
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March 14th, 2018 at 8:45:23 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

Could you please explain how he ran as a conservative?

I keep seeing righties say this, but without any evidence backing up that claim.

He was pro-union, pro-Obamacare, anti-Trump tax cut, and supports abortion rights. I'd love to hear which conservative stances he ran on!



Porbably more precisely...he ran sort of like...Trump...

"Lamb calls himself a “Western Pennsylvania Democrat,” which seems to him to mean focusing on things like labor issues, the opioid crisis, and the need to protect entitlements such as Medicare and Social Security. Lamb’s emphasis on these particular items is an effort to endear him to the same voters who supported Trump—perhaps the same people Trump referred to in his 2016 victory speech as the “forgotten men and women of America.”"

"Lamb has pledged that he won’t support the 77-year-old House minority leader."

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/how-a-democrat-could-win-in-trump-country/554543/

You can go on arguing every little thing as you often do, but I won't be here to talk about it (just not hanging here as much) and you may be looking at the trees instead of the forest.

I am not saying Trump will win seats, Trump is great, or anything like that. His party should lose seats. Big numbers. If they don't, that is not a good outcome for the Democrats.
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March 14th, 2018 at 9:46:33 AM permalink
Quote: Tanko

Nonsense.

You cite the first amendment and then you want to impeach the President for exercising his first amendment rights.

“The Constitution defines impeachment at the federal level and limits impeachment to "The President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States" who may be impeached and removed only for "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors”

Which of those three does expressing his opinions and calling NBC and CNN “Fake News” fall under?



Here's a great read on the subject.

To summarize, anybody who thinks the President or any public official has to commit a crime to be impeached is wrong.

https://www.vox.com/2017/11/30/16517022/impeachment-donald-trump
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March 14th, 2018 at 9:49:50 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

Porbably more precisely...he ran sort of like...Trump...

"Lamb calls himself a “Western Pennsylvania Democrat,” which seems to him to mean focusing on things like labor issues, the opioid crisis, and the need to protect entitlements such as Medicare and Social Security. Lamb’s emphasis on these particular items is an effort to endear him to the same voters who supported Trump—perhaps the same people Trump referred to in his 2016 victory speech as the “forgotten men and women of America.”"



So your statement that he ran as a conservative was.... wrong?

That's the only thing I had an issue with in your post.
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March 14th, 2018 at 9:57:35 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

So your statement that he ran as a conservative was.... wrong?

That's the only thing I had an issue with in your post.



Yes, not conservative but right of his party's general direction as a whole. Maybe that is the winning combo for November. maybe it is a ticking time bomb.

He'll have to run against an incumbent Republican when his district disappears.
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March 14th, 2018 at 10:25:39 AM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

Obama...Bernie? But no comment on how Warren or Harris would do in 2020? Why is it the Dems continue to yammer about the impossible like banning all semi’s and candidates that won’t ever run again? But yeah, I am clearly not thinking about the situation correctly...keep up the good work 👍.



I was just pointing out your fallacy of it's only about keeping the Dems more rightwing. Hillary couldn't win even if she moved to the rightwing. Romney couldn't win moving left. Two strikeouts for each. Not wanted on the field of play.

And you're the one that brought Hillary up.
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March 14th, 2018 at 12:14:36 PM permalink
Donnie nominated a cable news talking head to be his new economic advisor.
This nominee wrote in his autobiography that he had a $10,000 a month cocaine habit and has been in and out of alcohol rehab a number of times.
I cant see him being confirmed, or getting a security clearance if he does.



Edited as I thought he worked for Fox.
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March 14th, 2018 at 12:41:33 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Donnie nominated a Fox New talking head to be his new economic advisor.
This nominee wrote in his autobiography that he had a $10,000 a month cocaine habit and has been in and out of alcohol rehab a number of times.
I cant see him being confirmed, or getting a security clearance if he does.



More and more it seems Trump thinks vetting has something to do with treating sick animals
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March 14th, 2018 at 12:57:09 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

WTF
A dem is winning in a solid red republican district
ROTFL



I can not stand how they do the districts here. Allegheny county (where Pittsburgh is) is a strong Democratic area with steel mills and unions. If you go outside of the county. If you go into the rural areas of the state it is all republican. If you look at how the lines are drawn it is so strange. I am not sure if all states are like this but PA is clearly messed up. Granted they are currently trying to fix that. I am not saying this from a party stand point but just common sense. They are so messed up that there is uproar that people were trying to vote yesterday but many towns and schooldistricts are in multiple voting districts. WTF is that about. Cant they just use county lines to make the districts, or how about school districts. These are already clear cut lines that all make sense.

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March 14th, 2018 at 1:09:22 PM permalink
Is it Finished? (says guy on other cross)

Conor Lamb
Democrat
113,813
49.8%


Rick Saccone
Republican
113,186
49.6


Drew Miller
Libertarian
1,379
0.6


Not dead yet (says guy on middle cross)
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March 14th, 2018 at 1:44:48 PM permalink
If you believe reports, the Party of God would need to win about 75% of the votes not yet counted, where their candidate has been winning under 60% of the votes already counted.
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March 14th, 2018 at 1:45:46 PM permalink
Looks like it may be in the Democrats self interest to encourage third party candidates from the Right.
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March 14th, 2018 at 2:17:35 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Looks like it may be in the Democrats self interest to encourage third party candidates from the Right.



Old news. Like telling us professional wrestling is fake.
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March 14th, 2018 at 2:23:03 PM permalink
I think Trump is showing he's bringing an anchor not a life preserver to these guys. They'd be better served if he went golfing.
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March 14th, 2018 at 3:06:12 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Looks like it may be in the Democrats self interest to encourage third party candidates from the Right.

That is just what Jon Corzine did in New Jersey.
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March 14th, 2018 at 3:21:48 PM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

That is just what Jon Corzine did in New Jersey.

Free, John Corzine : )
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March 14th, 2018 at 6:54:28 PM permalink
According to the NY Post, Don Jr. and his wife are headed for divorce.



I can't imagine why she'd be unhappy...
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March 14th, 2018 at 6:59:45 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

According to the NY Post, Don Jr. and his wife are headed for divorce.



I can't imagine why she'd be unhappy...




Does he have a Stepford wife? Ivanka looks okay. How many times did they reshoot that to get the boys special expressions?
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March 14th, 2018 at 7:31:01 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

According to the NY Post, Don Jr. and his wife are headed for divorce.



I can't imagine why she'd be unhappy...

You gotta admit, she's got that certain gold digger look about her
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March 14th, 2018 at 9:18:27 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

I've been hoping for moderate candidates since the Bush administration, but everyone seems to think they have to out-crazy each other.



Mitt Romney was a Republican who helped build the foundation for what became Obamacare. Hillary Clinton was a Democrat who was the biggest warhawk presidential candidate in history. Both of them were far more moderate than the party they represented yet couldn't win. (Same for McCain). The last president to win based on appealing to voters ideology may have been Eisenhower.
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March 14th, 2018 at 9:44:19 PM permalink
Forum members will be happy to know that Trump's immigration policies are working. Immigration officials managed to misinterpret their own laws and decided to not give me a Visa today. Meanwhile, my specialized knowledge services are critical for them to continue operating a world wide multi-billion dollar company that employs 130,000 worldwide. And there was absolutely no question that their interpretation and their supervisors was absolutely and incredulously incorrect.

So, I am back to Canada, never to work in the land of opportunity again! Good riddance, Mr. Trump! And I am sure that certain people will say, "don't let the door slam you on the way out!"
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March 14th, 2018 at 9:56:05 PM permalink
Hey... talk sh!t, get hit.

But seriously, hope you get that worked out. We need your special information brain knowledge, or whatever you said.
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March 14th, 2018 at 10:03:13 PM permalink
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March 14th, 2018 at 10:26:56 PM permalink
Inspecting border wall prototypes, Pres. Trump says main challenge is preventing people from getting over the top. "These are professional mountain climbers. They're incredible climbers. "

Who knew Mexico had cornered the market on professional mountain climbers. I wonder when they find time to sell drugs and rape?
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March 14th, 2018 at 10:40:28 PM permalink
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Inspecting border wall prototypes, Pres. Trump says main challenge is preventing people from getting over the top. "These are professional mountain climbers. They're incredible climbers. "

Who knew Mexico had cornered the market on professional mountain climbers. I wonder when they find time to sell drugs and rape?



He compliments Mexicans and you're still upset? ;) At least he didn't say they are good swimmers.
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March 15th, 2018 at 12:43:34 AM permalink
With a couple of those all steel designs, if some of that gets erected I will laugh till I hurt if Mexicans just steal the fence and sell it for scrap.
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March 15th, 2018 at 12:49:08 AM permalink
Latest I heard was Donnie is willing to trade the Dreamers for funding for 64 miles of fencing to be built, each of the next three years.
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March 15th, 2018 at 2:02:51 AM permalink
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Latest I heard was Donnie is willing to trade the Dreamers for funding for 64 miles of fencing to be built, each of the next three years.

I love how they call them dreamers. I would call them nightmares since their dreams seem to include a high rate of serious crimes and gang membership.
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March 15th, 2018 at 2:34:30 AM permalink
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Forum members will be happy to know that Trump's immigration policies are working. Immigration officials managed to misinterpret their own laws and decided to not give me a Visa today. Meanwhile, my specialized knowledge services are critical for them to continue operating a world wide multi-billion dollar company that employs 130,000 worldwide. And there was absolutely no question that their interpretation and their supervisors was absolutely and incredulously incorrect.

So, I am back to Canada, never to work in the land of opportunity again! Good riddance, Mr. Trump! And I am sure that certain people will say, "don't let the door slam you on the way out!"



300 million or so adults here, I am sure a local can be found.
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March 15th, 2018 at 3:02:17 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

And there was absolutely no question that their interpretation and their supervisors was absolutely and incredulously incorrect.


Have you consulted an immigration attorney?
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March 15th, 2018 at 3:17:36 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Forum members will be happy to know that Trump's immigration policies are working. Immigration officials managed to misinterpret their own laws and decided to not give me a Visa today. Meanwhile, my specialized knowledge services are critical for them to continue operating a world wide multi-billion dollar company that employs 130,000 worldwide. And there was absolutely no question that their interpretation and their supervisors was absolutely and incredulously incorrect.

So, I am back to Canada, never to work in the land of opportunity again! Good riddance, Mr. Trump! And I am sure that certain people will say, "don't let the door slam you on the way out!"


Goes without saying - don’t share information you don’t want to share. But what were the circumstances of this? What kind of specialized knowledge do you have? Are there others and are there many or few?

What is it they misinterpreted and how should it have been interpreted? What happened and what do you think should have happened?

Who’re the “them” above? Bolded for clarity.
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March 15th, 2018 at 3:51:16 AM permalink
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I love how they call them dreamers. I would call them nightmares since their dreams seem to include a high rate of serious crimes and gang membership.



Is this supposed to be a joke or something?

Cause it certainly ain't anywhere even close to being true.
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March 15th, 2018 at 3:57:01 AM permalink
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Is this supposed to be a joke or something?

Cause it certainly ain't anywhere even close to being true.


It’s closer to be true than not being true.
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March 15th, 2018 at 4:47:07 AM permalink
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It’s closer to be true than not being true.



So you're admitting it's not true.
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March 15th, 2018 at 4:56:33 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Forum members will be happy to know that Trump's immigration policies are working. Immigration officials managed to misinterpret their own laws and decided to not give me a Visa today. Meanwhile, my specialized knowledge services are critical for them to continue operating a world wide multi-billion dollar company that employs 130,000 worldwide. And there was absolutely no question that their interpretation and their supervisors was absolutely and incredulously incorrect.

So, I am back to Canada, never to work in the land of opportunity again! Good riddance, Mr. Trump! And I am sure that certain people will say, "don't let the door slam you on the way out!"



Wha a a a a t? OMG. You must be furious.
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March 15th, 2018 at 5:13:28 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I love how they call them dreamers. I would call them nightmares since their dreams seem to include a high rate of serious crimes and gang membership.


Wow
How do you determine this?
Really surprised with the hate that is coming from you
Real surprised
The odds of a violent crime being committed by a US citizen is much much greater then an illegal immigrant
A gazillion gangs in the USA. Every ethnic group has gangs. Even the Chinese. Those Chinese gangs are totally ruthless.
I would estimate if you take all those gazillion gangs in the USA, majority are US citizens
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March 15th, 2018 at 5:16:30 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

Wow
How do you determine this?
Really surprised with the hate that is coming from you
Real surprised
The odds of a violent crime being committed by a US citizen is much much greater then an illegal immigrant



I was surprised also. Tried to look up some fact-checking on this, but results seem to be confused by changes in how they keep statistics. So there seems to be no one right answer. Both the yes and no sides have statistics they can quote to support their claims on it.
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March 15th, 2018 at 5:21:25 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

Wow
How do you determine this?
Really surprised with the hate that is coming from you



Calling it "hate" is being kind, IMO.

I had another word I wanted to use but didn't dare because I knew some snowflakes would PM a mod and cry about it...
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March 15th, 2018 at 5:39:28 AM permalink
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300 million or so adults here, I am sure a local can be found.



Actually, no. That's the very definition of "specialized worker". To the point where the customer is hiring me at their subsidiary in Canada to complete the work required at their US offices. At a substantial premium.

EDIT: US Immigration Law clearly allows this Canadian to be working in your country. The US has work visa programs precisely to benefit US companies and their customers. These companies have to demonstrate why, in detail, why a foreign worker is required.
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March 15th, 2018 at 5:40:28 AM permalink
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Have you consulted an immigration attorney?



The paperwork was done *by* immigration attorneys who have done this hundreds of times before.
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March 15th, 2018 at 5:43:18 AM permalink
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Wha a a a a t? OMG. You must be furious.



Work is not an issue. I can get around that. It's the ineptitude of CBP that bothers me.
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March 15th, 2018 at 5:49:57 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Actually, no. That's the very definition of "specialized worker". To the point where the customer is hiring me at their subsidiary in Canada to complete the work required at their US offices. At a substantial premium.

EDIT: US Immigration Law clearly allows this Canadian to be working in your country.



Nothing personal, but I have seen much abuse of this term. One was nothing but an office worker with a GF who could influence hiring. Or Disney firing their Americans to hire people they supposedly could not hire locally.
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March 15th, 2018 at 6:00:55 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

Wow
How do you determine this?
Really surprised with the hate that is coming from you
Real surprised
The odds of a violent crime being committed by a US citizen is much much greater then an illegal immigrant
A gazillion gangs in the USA. Every ethnic group has gangs. Even the Chinese. Those Chinese gangs are totally ruthless.
I would estimate if you take all those gazillion gangs in the USA, majority are US citizens

I do hate gang members and people who commit serious crimes.

I just know what I see around here in Vegas(It's probably worst in Mexifornia.)

The dreamers that I'm talking about are mainly the ones from Mexico and perhaps a few other places( I haven't noticed them). Illegal immigrants who come here with their kids are usually poor and they usually live in neighbors that are infested with gangs, therefore, the kids are exposed to gangs. Not only that, I believe poor kids are more likely to do illegal things to get stuff they cant afford.

Due to movies, music and fashion kids think its cool to be in a gang.

I have a feeling there is data to back up what I see.

"The odds of a violent crime being committed by a US citizen is much much greater than an illegal immigrant"

I bet a higher percent of dreamers commit crimes compared to a legal immigrant.
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March 15th, 2018 at 6:28:16 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

"The odds of a violent crime being committed by a US citizen is much much greater than an illegal immigrant"



Perhaps they are.

The odds of an illegal immigrant committing a crime in the US if they are not here as an illegal immigrant but stay in their beloved home country are a lot lower than the odds of one that is here committing a crime.

We have a lot of crap to clean up. Illegal immigrants who have committed crime should be the low hanging fruit that should be taken care of as soon as possible. If you want to carve out some number of misdemeanors or non-violent crimes not involving potential death (crimes related to gang-bangers and drug dealers/distributors) and put them on a different path--perhaps an immigration probation reporting system of sorts--I could go along with that.

Cities and States that are "Sanctuaries" for illegals are part of the problem.

The problem is that the backers of unfettered illegal immigration don't really want a compromise. Some hardliners don't want a compromise.

I fully blame rich people who hire illegals (and may be from either party) as being complicit in this whole deal.
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March 15th, 2018 at 6:29:58 AM permalink
Snopes to the rescue!

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/facts-about-dreamers-meme/
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March 15th, 2018 at 6:52:35 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Nothing personal, but I have seen much abuse of this term. One was nothing but an office worker with a GF who could influence hiring. Or Disney firing their Americans to hire people they supposedly could not hire locally.



Once again I am sorry at the lack of empathy here and the strange wish to be isolationist

Boymimbo I hope the best for you. Don't listen to the anti immigrants on here.

Really people you are upset against Canadians now?

I don't know what boymimbo does but for many years I worked as a highly specialized technician and az I guarantee you would not have been able to just hire anyone for it. I had offers from as far away as new Zealand for my services so I can believe specialized work exists

And I can divulge what that work was:
Decoding time coded edited video running at any speed (there are multiple speed formats between film tape high def and foreign markets) correlating and extrapolating precise film frame counterparts (film transferred to video runs at different speeds requiring mathematical conversions that would infuriate the mathletes on here) then using that info to pull original film elements from vaulted materials for extraction organization cement splicing and both film laboratory printing optical effects work or digital manipulation including cgi all thru the archival and DVD mastering phase

Trust me there are jobs here that hicks with guns or average Midwest or even Northeast secretary's do not qualify for

Just coinkydink I also was hired by Disney (for pirates of the Caribbean). I must have been one of those specialists az mentioned Disney hired that anyone could have done the work
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March 15th, 2018 at 6:58:08 AM permalink
Just to be clear--I am not speaking out against boymimbo or any other legally admitted, law-abiding immigrant.

I do hear of abuse in the program allowing high tech workers in simply to allow the cutting of higher paid citizens. That should not be allowed. I do not think that covers the situation boymimbo in at this point.

Bureaucracies are not efficient when it comes to timeliness, accuracy of decisions, etc. If that is what caught boymimbo in this situation, it is yet one more reason we should hold those agencies accountable for not doing their work in a timely manner and not rendering proper decisions within the law.
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