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March 16th, 2018 at 6:41:22 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

Media were screaming he would be imminently impeached by the end of 2017??????
Really
Can you cite an example
Media has been hard on Trump
but
I don't recall the media reporting imminent impeachment at any time
Individuals posting on a board, sure
media? maybe but I don't recall. Do you?



You're right. I think I was confusing Media with "Posters on websites." To the edit button! ;)
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March 16th, 2018 at 6:43:37 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

Media were screaming he would be imminently impeached by the end of 2017??????
Really
Can you cite an example
Media has been hard on Trump
but
I don't recall the media reporting imminent impeachment at any time
Individuals posting on a board, sure
media? maybe but I don't recall. Do you?



I did like Alec mentioning impeachment in his response to Trump
By the way for conservatives that don't get humor. The below is funny

Trump tweeted
"Alec Baldwin, whose dying mediocre career was saved by his terrible impersonation of me on SNL, now says playing me was agony. Alec, it was agony for those who were forced to watch. Bring back Darrell Hammond, funnier and a far greater talent!"

The response which I love from Alec
"Agony though it may be, I’d like to hang in there for the impeachment hearings, the resignation speech, the farewell helicopter ride to Mara-A-Lago. You know. The Good Stuff. That we’ve all been waiting for."
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March 16th, 2018 at 6:56:05 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

Any righties willing to admit yet that AxelWolf was dead wrong here in regards to his characterization of Dreamers?

Or shall we keep trying to gaslight and muddy the waters?



You must not get out much.
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March 16th, 2018 at 7:24:12 AM permalink
Quote: ams288


Any righties willing to admit yet that AxelWolf was dead wrong here in regards to his characterization of Dreamers?

Or shall we keep trying to gaslight and muddy the waters?



Quote: MaxPen

You must not get out much.



So what
We live in an unsafe country
Students are not safe
Regardless, Axelwolf is dead wrong regarding Dreamers
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March 16th, 2018 at 7:53:01 AM permalink
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Regardless, Axelwolf is dead wrong regarding Dreamers



Yep.

And notice how no righties continued to comment about the Dreamers after they were proven wrong with FACTS.
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March 16th, 2018 at 8:11:13 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

Yep.

And notice how no righties continued to comment about the Dreamers after they were proven wrong with FACTS.

lol that's literally EVERY TOPIC, not just dreamers. While I'm not democrat or republican, the more liberal friends I have will tend do the more "scientific" thing and admit fault when proven wrong with facts. Every righty I know will just plug their ears once it gets to that point and go "NA NA NA NA HILLARY CLINTON NA NA NA BILL CLINTON NA NA NA OBAMA NA NA NA."
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March 16th, 2018 at 8:14:03 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

Yep.

And notice how no righties continued to comment about the Dreamers after they were proven wrong with FACTS.



Facts haven't mattered to the righties for years. Remember when Obama was going to have us under Sharia Law?
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March 16th, 2018 at 8:49:15 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

lol that's literally EVERY TOPIC, not just dreamers. While I'm not democrat or republican, the more liberal friends I have will tend do the more "scientific" thing and admit fault when proven wrong with facts. Every righty I know will just plug their ears once it gets to that point and go "NA NA NA NA HILLARY CLINTON NA NA NA BILL CLINTON NA NA NA OBAMA NA NA NA."



There are left wing nut jobs too, to be sure. What I don't understand is the blind support for Trump's actions both professionally and personally. I would love to see more opinions something close to SooPoo which is "support right-wing ideals, support the President's ideas, but some of things he says and does is ridiculous and not good for our ideals".

For example, government spending would be a good place to start. Ideals of free trade. Foreign relations. And so on and so forth.
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March 16th, 2018 at 8:59:41 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

lol that's literally EVERY TOPIC, not just dreamers. While I'm not democrat or republican, the more liberal friends I have will tend do the more "scientific" thing and admit fault when proven wrong with facts. Every righty I know will just plug their ears once it gets to that point and go "NA NA NA NA HILLARY CLINTON NA NA NA BILL CLINTON NA NA NA OBAMA NA NA NA."



It's not fact til a government study says it is. The left is still waiting for a government study that says less government is better.

Wait, you're not a Dem? Is that a joke?

Most of the people I'd nominate for mod are probably secret mods already (Doc, RDW etc)
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March 16th, 2018 at 9:15:00 AM permalink
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Nope, it is not by the standards set for Bill Clinton. Liberals wrote the check back then, now it is being cashed. And they cannot stand it.



WRONG. Conservatives wrote the check back in the 90's that marital infidelity is a huge deal; they went apes**t back then, and they're STILL obsessed over "Slick Willy's" personal life. It's brought up every time Hillary's name is mentioned. And now that check is being cashed under Trump, and Conservatives cannot stand it. You don't get to just sweep it under the rug or handwave it away.

YOUR SIDE was the one saying it was a big deal. Suck it up, buttercup.
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March 16th, 2018 at 9:50:36 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman


Nope, it is not by the standards set for Bill Clinton. Liberals wrote the check back then, now it is being cashed. And they cannot stand it.


Quote: TigerWu

WRONG. Conservatives wrote the check back in the 90's that marital infidelity is a huge deal; they went apes**t back then, and they're STILL obsessed over "Slick Willy's" personal life. It's brought up every time Hillary's name is mentioned. And now that check is being cashed under Trump, and Conservatives cannot stand it. You don't get to just sweep it under the rug or handwave it away.

YOUR SIDE was the one saying it was a big deal. Suck it up, buttercup.


Totally agree
Sexual assault is wrong
Its always been wrong
AZ cant determine if sexual assault is wrong until he knows the politics of the assaulter
So illogical
The next politician that sexually assaults another person should be prosecuted regardless of politics
Who cares if somebody is on the left or right when it comes to sexual assault. Az cares. sad.
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March 16th, 2018 at 9:57:22 AM permalink
This would be funny if it weren't so pathetic....

Watch Fox News Personalities Slam Obama And Praise Trump Over The Same Thing
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March 16th, 2018 at 10:27:15 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

This would be funny if it weren't so pathetic....

Watch Fox News Personalities Slam Obama And Praise Trump Over The Same Thing



Its is pathetic
Just as AZ cant condemn sexual assault until he knows the politics of the assaulter
Foxnews talking heads cant support or condemn a persons position until they know if the person is a republican or DEM
really sad

Got 100.00 dollars on the no meet Kim Trump 2018
Anybody else want some of this?
ROTFL
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March 16th, 2018 at 2:48:02 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

To be honest, I am surprised Trump has lasted this long as President. A lot of posters on websites were screaming that he would be imminently impeached by the end of 2017 after "Donald J Trump," has been elected for President of The United States," was shown on November election night." He's lasted over a full year as President, showing how wrong the posters turned out to be.



Same posters said things like he would not even show up for the debates to he would not get one EC vote. They are so amusing.
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March 16th, 2018 at 2:51:36 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

WRONG. Conservatives wrote the check back in the 90's that marital infidelity is a huge deal; they went apes**t back then, and they're STILL obsessed over "Slick Willy's" personal life. It's brought up every time Hillary's name is mentioned. And now that check is being cashed under Trump, and Conservatives cannot stand it. You don't get to just sweep it under the rug or handwave it away.



Nice try, but you would be better to come up with your own material.

Yes, it is brought up about Hillary. How can a woman who lets herself be treated like a doormat, blames the right-wing for her husband not staying in their marital bed, and all but defends his cheating be remotely considered for a leadership position?

Liberals wrote the check, sorry you cannot accept reality.
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March 16th, 2018 at 3:04:16 PM permalink
As a matter of fact, writing checks might be Trump's real problem. Clinton didn't pay off any ladies, AFAIK..
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March 16th, 2018 at 3:04:51 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Nice try, but you would be better to come up with your own material.

Yes, it is brought up about Hillary. How can a woman who lets herself be treated like a doormat, blames the right-wing for her husband not staying in their marital bed, and all but defends his cheating be remotely considered for a leadership position?

Liberals wrote the check, sorry you cannot accept reality.



Too funny
AZ and some crazy libs have so much in common
AZ and crazy libs defend sexual assault
I am against ALL sexual assault regardless of politics. That's logical thinking
AZ and crazy libs agreeing. Is that crazy or what
ROTFL
AZ and crazy libs cannot condemn sexual assault unless they know the politics of the assaulter
Crazy and illogical
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March 16th, 2018 at 3:22:43 PM permalink
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Daniels' lawyer says some alleged incidents took place during Trump presidency



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/daniels-lawyer-says-some-alleged-incidents-took-place-during-trump-presidency/ar-BBKjKVV?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
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March 16th, 2018 at 5:53:10 PM permalink
Trump hired a former navy Seal to work for him.
Said SEAL was shown to be anti-black, anti-gay and anti-Muslim. Seal readily admitted it and kept his job. A radio interview was found where Higbee is heard stating these opinions. He is let go.
Trump has dinner with a prominent Conservative backer and a few days later said bigot is hired to help promote Trumps agenda.
Drain the swamp indeed.

Story of his "resignation"
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/18/politics/kfile-carl-higbie-on-the-radio/index.html
Story of his hiring.
http://www.courant.com/politics/hc-pol-higbie-trump-surrogate-20180315-story.html

I believe he was just another in a long line of former trump aides that has been linked romantically to Heather Hicks, who resigned after it turned out she had drafted White House statements defending her current boyfriend, an accused domestic abuser.

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March 16th, 2018 at 6:29:46 PM permalink
Trump Joins Legal Fight In Stormy Daniels' Lawsuit To End Her "Hush Agreement"

Welp. Donald is officially involved now.

They are trying to move this lawsuit from California state court to federal court. The paperwork they filed says Trump may try to sue Stormy for $20 million for violating the NDA.
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March 16th, 2018 at 7:39:46 PM permalink
You know how they say, type a rant out, read it again, then hit delete?

Done.

Andrew McCabe got fired tonight, less than 2 days before he was eligible to retire.

Scumbag Trump.

Need 777 to describe how angry I am tonight about all of this garbage.
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March 16th, 2018 at 8:01:38 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

You know how they say, type a rant out, read it again, then hit delete?

Done.

Andrew McCabe got fired tonight, less than 2 days before he was eligible to retire.

Scumbag Trump.

Need 777 to describe how angry I am tonight about all of this garbage.



Supposedly he was eligible for his pension in 2 days. May not get it now

Now that's real scumbag move
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March 16th, 2018 at 8:10:50 PM permalink
I can't imagine this doesn't end up in court. Can't wait for trump to be examined under oath.
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March 16th, 2018 at 8:12:11 PM permalink
Need more details. Gotta figure even a doofus would know this will be scrutinized thoroughly.
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March 16th, 2018 at 9:18:32 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

You know how they say, type a rant out, read it again, then hit delete?

Done.

Andrew McCabe got fired tonight, less than 2 days before he was eligible to retire.

Scumbag Trump.

Need 777 to describe how angry I am tonight about all of this garbage.

McCabe is only 50 and you desire for him to retire with full pension and benefits for life?
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March 16th, 2018 at 11:09:35 PM permalink
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McCabe is only 50 and you desire for him to retire with full pension and benefits for life?



What difference does that make? If you become an FBI agent at the earliest age at 23, you get to retire earlier than the latest age you can start which is 37.

That's the deal. Often same with cops, and same with soldiers. Earlier you start, earlier you get to retire.
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March 16th, 2018 at 11:58:49 PM permalink
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McCabe is only 50 and you desire for him to retire with full pension and benefits for life?




I see someone sobered up.
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March 17th, 2018 at 3:21:57 AM permalink
He’s lucky that’s all he lost.

Federal Prosecutors brought false statement cases against General Flynn, Martha Stewart, Governor Blagojevich, Scooter Libby and others for lying under oath.

The Department of Justice Inspector General and the FBI found that McCabe did the same thing. He should be charged just as they were.

“Sessions noted that both the Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz as well as the FBI's disciplinary office had found "that Mr. McCabe had made an unauthorized disclosure to the news media and lacked candor - including under oath - on multiple occasions." 

Zero Hedge

No doubt he’ll get a $5 million book deal and a massive salary in the private sector.
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March 17th, 2018 at 3:31:58 AM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

McCabe is only 50 and you desire for him to retire with full pension and benefits for life?



Government and Civil Service jobs, where $100K and higher pensions are not unknown, can do that for you.

The longer you stick around, the higher the pension.

$285K
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March 17th, 2018 at 5:22:11 AM permalink
I'm not too worried about McCabe, I suspect he will end up finding a way to get that pension in the end...

The general consensus already seems to be that this firing is gonna backfire, just like the Comey firing did.

It's funny, all these HUGE scandals daily and the only one that really seems to be drawing any blood is the affair with the porn star.
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March 17th, 2018 at 5:52:15 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

You know how they say, type a rant out, read it again, then hit delete?

Done.

Andrew McCabe got fired tonight, less than 2 days before he was eligible to retire.

Scumbag Trump.

Need 777 to describe how angry I am tonight about all of this garbage.



You may have this one wrong, BBB. IF he was fired for cause, and was derelict in his duties while at his position, you want to ignore that JUST SO the person derelict will qualify for a pension? That has happened in NYS for politicians and every time they are NOT fired it is an uproar. Saving taxpayers millions if he has not deserving is not a bad thing.
Interestingly, I am in that pension system and just made one of those milestones so even if I get fired tomorrow I get my pension.

Of course, the possibility Trump is just doing this because he is a d... and doesn't like mcCabe is a possibility. But in this specific case, I would bet Trump ends up looking good, not bad.
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March 17th, 2018 at 7:02:51 AM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

McCabe is only 50 and you desire for him to retire with full pension and benefits for life?



Yes, I do.

I have the same retirement he EARNED. I paid extra every paycheck to subsidize it. And I went at age 50 and 5 months with 23+ years in.

Federal law officers, firefighters, and ATC get the option, for different reasons. For them, it's potentially putting their life on the line as a career. For us, it was mostly forced out NLT age 56 because reflexes fade, but also shortened lifespans. Career ATC = dying 10 years younger, actuarially. Bad schedule, big stress.
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March 17th, 2018 at 7:04:59 AM permalink
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You may have this one wrong, BBB. IF he was fired for cause, and was derelict in his duties while at his position, you want to ignore that JUST SO the person derelict will qualify for a pension? That has happened in NYS for politicians and every time they are NOT fired it is an uproar. Saving taxpayers millions if he has not deserving is not a bad thing.
Interestingly, I am in that pension system and just made one of those milestones so even if I get fired tomorrow I get my pension.

Of course, the possibility Trump is just doing this because he is a d... and doesn't like mcCabe is a possibility. But in this specific case, I would bet Trump ends up looking good, not bad.



If McCabe did something worth firing then I agree. However sacking someone 2 days before pension is due has a certain stink to it

Person has no problems with management for 20 odd years then gets cut out of pension. Lot of lawyers will run with that

Add in politics of this administration and I imagine McCabe will win a court decision
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March 17th, 2018 at 7:07:53 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Of course, the possibility Trump is just doing this because he is a d... and doesn't like mcCabe is a possibility. But in this specific case, I would bet Trump ends up looking good, not bad.



That is a terrible bet.

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March 17th, 2018 at 7:17:16 AM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

McCabe is only 50 and you desire for him to retire with full pension and benefits for life?



Yes, I do.

I have the same retirement he EARNED. I paid extra every paycheck to subsidize it. And I went at age 50 and 5 months with 23+ years in.

Federal law officers, firefighters, and ATC get the option, for different reasons. For them, it's potentially putting their life on the line as a career. For us, it was mostly forced out NLT age 56 because reflexes fade, but also shortened lifespans. Career ATC = dying 10 years younger, actuarially. Bad schedule, big stress.
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March 17th, 2018 at 7:22:46 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Quote: petroglyph

McCabe is only 50 and you desire for him to retire with full pension and benefits for life?



What difference does that make? If you become an FBI agent at the earliest age at 23, you get to retire earlier than the latest age you can start which is 37.

That's the deal. Often same with cops, and same with soldiers. Earlier you start, earlier you get to retire.



Federal deal for LEO, firefighters, and ATC is age 50 with at least 20 years duty, or any age with 25 years in. We pay extra our entire careers to fund it.
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March 17th, 2018 at 7:29:58 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

You may have this one wrong, BBB. IF he was fired for cause, and was derelict in his duties while at his position, you want to ignore that JUST SO the person derelict will qualify for a pension? That has happened in NYS for politicians and every time they are NOT fired it is an uproar. Saving taxpayers millions if he has not deserving is not a bad thing.
Interestingly, I am in that pension system and just made one of those milestones so even if I get fired tomorrow I get my pension.

Of course, the possibility Trump is just doing this because he is a d... and doesn't like mcCabe is a possibility. But in this specific case, I would bet Trump ends up looking good, not bad.



Political winds blow ill. I don't think.we know everything yet. If he was fired for cause, and it holds up, then he deserved to be fired. If it was political, the lawsuit that is sure to come will be massive. I guess we'll see.

The smart move would have been to allow him to retire, then sue him for retroactive removal of pension and benefits for cause, if they can prove it.
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March 17th, 2018 at 7:32:07 AM permalink
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Political winds blow ill. I don't think.we know everything yet. If he was fired for cause, and it holds up, then he deserved to be fired. If it was political, the lawsuit that is sure to come will be massive. I guess we'll see.

The smart move would have been to allow him to retire, then sue him for retroactive removal of pension and benefits for cause, if they can prove it.



Yeah but there's nothing smart about this administration
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March 17th, 2018 at 8:43:42 AM permalink
Sometimes, the smart move is to let sleeping dogs lie.
McCabe could have retired on Monday and faded into the background. Now, this b.s. decision will be front page news, and subject to numerous Congressional hearings.
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March 17th, 2018 at 9:25:46 AM permalink
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Yeah but there's nothing smart about this administration



The McCabe thing was purely a middle finger directed at him by the administration. Nonetheless McCabe's actions of going to the press was likely the wrong thing to do.

As for people not liking LEO's pensions, given that their life expectancies are shorter and their risks much higher of course salaries are extended via a pension plan for life.
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March 17th, 2018 at 9:47:13 AM permalink
Yeah, it was a total nonsense move. There was literally no reason to fire him. It wouldn't even screw him out of a pension, because now he can go get any one of a number of government jobs he's more than qualified for, and ride out that extra time he needs to get his full pension.

But hey, this is Trump we're talking about. The guy's not exactly known for making wise business decisions.
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March 17th, 2018 at 9:48:47 AM permalink
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If McCabe did something worth firing then I agree. However sacking someone 2 days before pension is due has a certain stink to it



Losing the pension, vs, losing pension 2 days before you qualify seems the difference between standard punishment and cruel and unusual punishment.

Anyway, our President not exactly setting an example of telling the truth.
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March 17th, 2018 at 10:46:32 AM permalink
https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/944666448185692166?lang=en

Trump was gunning for McCabe pension for months.
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March 17th, 2018 at 11:57:55 AM permalink
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We did scream. We were told it is his "private life" and "character does not matter." Libs set the standard, live with it.



Your insistence at being able to create double standards make you align perfectly with the liberal Democrats. Definitely not a conservative in any way
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March 17th, 2018 at 12:08:56 PM permalink
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Your insistence at being able to create double standards make you align perfectly with the liberal Democrats. Definitely not a conservative in any way



But I am not creating one. Democrats created the "private life" standard. Liberal women decided sexual harassment is OK as long as the offender loves abortion. Now they have no leg to stand on.
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March 17th, 2018 at 12:24:59 PM permalink
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Liberal women decided sexual harassment is OK as long as the offender loves abortion.



After all this time on these boards it fascinates me that some members still expect AZ to engage in a good faith argument. You're all wasting your time.
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March 17th, 2018 at 12:27:07 PM permalink
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McCabe is only 50 and you desire for him to retire with full pension and benefits for life?



Yes, I do.

I have the same retirement he EARNED. I paid extra every paycheck to subsidize it. And I went at age 50 and 5 months with 23+ years in.

Babs, I very much believe that you earned your pension, and I think that is partially why you are getting all Semper Fi with this dude. And, your apparent contempt for Trump is, influencing your opinion ? You know I love you anyway.

I object to paying/ percs, to most fed employee's, for life . I know without doubt that the work you performed had multiples, the stress this agent had. You knew that if you **ed up, people died. McCabe knew, or thought he knew, he could break the law by leaking, and if he got caught that he could ride sick leave out, until he got his 20, which is what he was doing since Jan. It's not 2 days before primetime, he was trying to duck and cover and slide out. He got caught, many more should be. So on this issue, GO TRUMP.

This guy swore and oath, " to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic" did he not? If the entire Hoover organization isn't up in arms about the NDAA, which supersedes the constitution [as do trade treaty's] than we, the rest of us, got nothing, nada.

The FBI switched from investigating criminals inside our borders, to an international covert spy/ wiretapping organization, while the drugs, guns, illegals, and other ne'er do wells waltz past the door. We could fire the entire FBI and still have 16 spy agency's plus contractors. Every one of them lined up for their golden pension at 20 and out. And those pensions aren't just for g men risking themselves, that includes secretary's and janitors that drone through their 20, like cleaners at McD's.

If Americans have to furnish health care [as a retirement benefit] for x feds, than they should go to the VA. Surely combat veterans deserve the same health care as a politician that sent them overseas. Or does rank, beget privilege even for quality of health care?

In the private sector, the wage package is negotiated between the parties. Who takes the other side when determining these g-men "benefits" FOR LIFE"? He could theoretically go home and in a dozen years, father a few kids who could also collect health care, 100% paid for by the taxpayers for the next hundred or so years. What the hell did he provide that is worth that?

I couldn't have handled the stress you were under, and this guy didn't. I'm saying he pushed a desk most his life. The types of pay and percs these guys get, needs to be negotiated with somebody that will be paying the tab, for potentially the next hundred years. My gawd, it's ludicrous.

As far as him "risking his life" so often? On the list of most dangerous jobs an American can do, how far down is fbi guy? I know fishing and logging are way above that job. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/careers/2018/01/09/workplace-fatalities-25-most-dangerous-jobs-america/1002500001/ PoPo is way down there, I don't even see the Hoovers on the list.

The country desperately needs some federal housecleaning. Trump as weird as he is, is the only one capable of firing any of these drones. How many times during the O period, were sec busted for serfing porn on the company dime? http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/23/sec.porn/index.html Those were the guys supposed to be protecting "my pension".

There isn't a member here, that doesn't know this guy will have another career, either in government or associated with his 19 plus year desk ride.

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Federal law officers, firefighters, and ATC get the option, for different reasons. For them, it's potentially putting their life on the line as a career.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/06/nyregion/06rare.html "Barry Lee Bush, the special agent shot dead yesterday near a highway in suburban New Jersey, was the 51st to die in the line of duty in the agency’s 99-year history." Free leonard Peltier

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For us, it was mostly forced out NLT age 56 because reflexes fade, but also shortened lifespans. Career ATC = dying 10 years younger, actuarially. Bad schedule, big stress.

Could you potentially marry a 19 year old man, die, and him collect half your salary with medical for life, until he dies?
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March 17th, 2018 at 12:57:07 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

But I am not creating one. Democrats created the "private life" standard. Liberal women decided sexual harassment is OK as long as the offender loves abortion. Now they have no leg to stand on.



You hold people to different standards based on their political views, which is one reason everyone sees you as being so similar to liberal women
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March 17th, 2018 at 1:04:20 PM permalink
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McCabe is only 50 and you desire for him to retire with full pension and benefits for life?



Yes, I do.

I have the same retirement he EARNED. I paid extra every paycheck to subsidize it. And I went at age 50 and 5 months with 23+ years in.

Babs, I very much believe that you earned your pension, and I think that is partially why you are getting all Semper Fi with this dude. And, your apparent contempt for Trump is, influencing your opinion ? You know I love you anyway.

I object to paying/ percs, to most fed employee's, for life . I know without doubt that the work you performed had multiples, the stress this agent had. You knew that if you **ed up, people died. McCabe knew, or thought he knew, he could break the law by leaking, and if he got caught that he could ride sick leave out, until he got his 20, which is what he was doing since Jan. It's not 2 days before primetime, he was trying to duck and cover and slide out. He got caught, many more should be. So on this issue, GO TRUMP.

This guy swore and oath, " to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic" did he not? If the entire Hoover organization isn't up in arms about the NDAA, which supersedes the constitution [as do trade treaty's] than we, the rest of us, got nothing, nada.

The FBI switched from investigating criminals inside our borders, to an international covert spy/ wiretapping organization, while the drugs, guns, illegals, and other ne'er do wells waltz past the door. We could fire the entire FBI and still have 16 spy agency's plus contractors. Every one of them lined up for their golden pension at 20 and out. And those pensions aren't just for g men risking themselves, that includes secretary's and janitors that drone through their 20, like cleaners at McD's.

If Americans have to furnish health care [as a retirement benefit] for x feds, than they should go to the VA. Surely combat veterans deserve the same health care as a politician that sent them overseas. Or does rank, beget privilege even for quality of health care?

In the private sector, the wage package is negotiated between the parties. Who takes the other side when determining these g-men "benefits" FOR LIFE"? He could theoretically go home and in a dozen years, father a few kids who could also collect health care, 100% paid for by the taxpayers for the next hundred or so years. What the hell did he provide that is worth that?

I couldn't have handled the stress you were under, and this guy didn't. I'm saying he pushed a desk most his life. The types of pay and percs these guys get, needs to be negotiated with somebody that will be paying the tab, for potentially the next hundred years. My gawd, it's ludicrous.

As far as him "risking his life" so often? On the list of most dangerous jobs an American can do, how far down is fbi guy? I know fishing and logging are way above that job. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/careers/2018/01/09/workplace-fatalities-25-most-dangerous-jobs-america/1002500001/ PoPo is way down there, I don't even see the Hoovers on the list.

The country desperately needs some federal housecleaning. Trump as weird as he is, is the only one capable of firing any of these drones. How many times during the O period, were sec busted for serfing porn on the company dime? http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/23/sec.porn/index.html Those were the guys supposed to be protecting "my pension".

There isn't a member here, that doesn't know this guy will have another career, either in government or associated with his 19 plus year desk ride.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/06/nyregion/06rare.html "Barry Lee Bush, the special agent shot dead yesterday near a highway in suburban New Jersey, was the 51st to die in the line of duty in the agency’s 99-year history." Free leonard Peltier

Could you potentially marry a 19 year old man, die, and him collect half your salary with medical for life, until he dies?



Petro,

You make some good points.

Need a nap, so just a couple things.

Not everyone in FAA or FBI qualifies for early retirement. Most don't in the FAA, probably most don't in the FBI. Only certain job classifications do, not clerical, not management, not custodial - it's front line operators, active duty with gun and badge, smoke jumpers, those types.

Your job has to involve very specific things, like extraordinary hazard, and/or subject to involuntary age limits, or other qualifications.

Yes theoretically, I could marry a 19 yo and he would have survivor benefits if we set it up that way. Think we'd have to backpay a bunch to get full coverage, but even if we didn't, he'd have some.benefits.
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