Trump's Second and Third year in office

Quote: SanchoPanza

"From his first days in office, President Obama has forged a collaborative relationship with the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. The OIC is the largest United Nations bloc. It includes 56 nations with significant Muslim populations plus the Palestinian Authority (which these Muslim nations regard as a fellow sovereign). Throughout her four years as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton was Obama’s point-person in the administration’s collusion with the OIC.

Among the most significant “achievements” of this partnership — and, from a constitutional perspective, the most appalling one — has been the adoption of Resolution 16/18. In blatant violation of the First Amendment, this provision calls on Western governments to outlaw any speech that “constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence” toward religion, on the rationale that such speech could provoke “religious hatred.” nro

The resolution, if honored, is a drastic violation of First Amendment free-speech principles, which protect speech that constitutes political debate and promotes the introduction of accurate information in discussions of public policy. These are cornerstones of a self-governing, properly functioning republic." nro

Quote: EvenBob

Where Trump got this rep he has now
of a thin skin is a mystery. Just because
he has a witty or sarcastic comeback,
doesn't mean he's thin skinned. Even
though Howard and Letterman are
big Libs, neither had a bad word to say
about The Donald.

Quote: aceofspades

Quote: SOOPOO

Another clear example of TDS. Not being able to see that calling a country filled with poverty, corruption, and oppressive government a shithole is not racist just because Trump said it

Quote: boymimbo

Quote: aceofspades

The united states was in two massive recessions in 1982: and 2010.

Bush 2002 74%
Clinton June 1994 48%
Bush senior 1990 68%
Nixon 1970 54%
Carter 1978 44%

Meaningless numbers. plus that 45% is a Foxnews poll.

Quote: 1MatterToMotion

Trump is God's window into the heart and soul of man.

Quote: darkoz

So your argument is thus:

20 years ago republicans felt the moral turpitude of a sitting president and his sexcapades should be publicly flouted

Quote: SOOPOO

NOOOOO!!!!! It is NOT that WJC had sex outside of his marriage vows. It is that he had sex with an intern that had power over. That may have feared for her job if she said no. That if he was in ANY other job of power he'd be fired immediately for doing that at the work place. Please do NOT try and equate DJT having multiple affairs with as many adult age women as he could find with what WJC did. Bill's banging all the other women is NOT what we are talking about. It is banging HIS intern while at work. Please don't tell me you can't see the difference!

Quote: boymimbo

Now now SooPoo don't be so hard on yourself and your homeland. The US will pull out of its downward spiral one day and it will no longer be the s***hole you describe it as.

Quote: gamerfreak

I see the difference I support neither. One does not make the other ok.

I am willing to call Obama and the Clintons out on their BS. What is disturbing is that so few Trump supporters are willing to do the same for him when it is clearly deserved.

Quote: terapined

I totally supported the Ken Starr investigation just as I support Mueller

There is no doubt Trump and Clinton are both guilty of sexual assault

Quote: SOOPOO

You say you want to wait for the results of an investigation but then in the next sentence you say DJT and WJC are guilty of sexual assault. What investigation has convinced a SINGLE PROSECUTOR that there is EVEN A CHANCE they are guilty of a sexual assault? Uhhhhh.... NONE! I believe that DJT and WJC are "guilty" of multiple affairs, but not of sexual assault.

So please, don't speak for anyone but yourself with the "no doubt". I have plenty of doubt.

Quote: SOOPOO

You say you want to wait for the results of an investigation but then in the next sentence you say DJT and WJC are guilty of sexual assault. What investigation has convinced a SINGLE PROSECUTOR that there is EVEN A CHANCE they are guilty of a sexual assault? Uhhhhh.... NONE! I believe that DJT and WJC are "guilty" of multiple affairs, but not of sexual assault.

So please, don't speak for anyone but yourself with the "no doubt". I have plenty of doubt.

Quote: darkoz

So in your opinion

Having consensual sex with your intern is assault

Quote: SOOPOO

What investigation has convinced a SINGLE PROSECUTOR that there is EVEN A CHANCE they are guilty of a sexual assault?

Quote: AZDuffman

It is not an opinion, an intern is in a subordinate position and unable to give consent. Same principle that that a CO cannot have sex with a prisoner. Have you never heard this concept before?

Quote: darkoz

So you equate interns with prisoners

Now it makes sense

Quote: AZDuffman

Not sure your meaning there. But they are both in an unequal, submissive position. Such a position makes one legally unable to give consent. Teacher/student would be another one. In the military, officer/enlisted, which is not allowed for yet the same reason. Does this help you understand?

Locker room talk I do not care about.

Quote: darkoz

It is illegal for a guard to have sex with a prisoner

And teacher student

However no law exists that says employers cant have consensual sex with an employee

Please point to that law

Quote: AZDuffman

Not sure your meaning there. But they are both in an unequal, submissive position. Such a position makes one legally unable to give consent. Teacher/student would be another one. In the military, officer/enlisted, which is not allowed for yet the same reason. Does this help you understand?

Locker room talk I do not care about.

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Quote: 1MatterToMotion
Trump is God's window into the heart and soul of man.

Quote: Theyought

hahahha,. nobody has ever said so kind words to him

Quote: AxelWolf

I think she seduced him. She knew exactly what she was doing.

Quote: AZDuffman

I do not have access to the federal HR policy.

Any place I have worked, policy prohibited supervisor/employee sexual relations. I am talking for 30 years. Well before Monica. Common sense says the Feds have a similar HR policy. Does not have to be a "law."

You seriously just don't get it, do you?

Quote: AZDuffman

It is not an opinion, an intern is in a subordinate position and unable to give consent. Same principle that that a CO cannot have sex with a prisoner. Have you never heard this concept before?

Quote: darkoz

So if you are so adamant that the president follow policy why are you not upset with all the policies trump has flouted

Quote: AZDuffman

When I see him flout one I will get back to you. So far he has been by the book. Liberals not liking him is not against policy.

Quote: darkoz

You cannot see if you insist on keeping your eyes shut

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The Department of State is committed to providing a workplace that is free from sexual harassment. Sexual harassment in the workplace is against the law and will not be tolerated. When the Department determines that an allegation of sexual harassment is credible, it will take prompt and appropriate corrective action.
What Is Sexual Harassment?
Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature constitute sexual harassment when:
1) An employment decision affecting that individual is made because the individual submitted to or rejected the unwelcome conduct; or
2) The unwelcome conduct unreasonably interferes with an individual's work performance or creates an intimidating, hostile, or abusive work environment.
Certain behaviors, such as conditioning promotions, awards, training or other job benefits upon acceptance of unwelcome actions of a sexual nature, are always wrong.
Unwelcome actions such as the following are inappropriate and, depending on the circumstances, may in and of themselves meet the definition of sexual harassment or contribute to a hostile work environment:
Sexual pranks, or repeated sexual teasing, jokes, or innuendo, in person or via e-mail;
Verbal abuse of a sexual nature;
Touching or grabbing of a sexual nature;
Repeatedly standing too close to or brushing up against a person;
Repeatedly asking a person to socialize during off-duty hours when the person has said no or has indicated he or she is not interested (supervisors in particular should be careful not to pressure their employees to socialize);
Giving gifts or leaving objects that are sexually suggestive;
Repeatedly making sexually suggestive gestures;
Making or posting sexually demeaning or offensive pictures, cartoons or other materials in the workplace;
Off-duty, unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature that affects the work environment.
A victim of sexual harassment can be a man or a woman. The victim can be of the same sex as the harasser. The harasser can be a supervisor, co-worker, other Department employee, or a non-employee who has a business relationship with the Department.

Quote: AZDuffman

When I see him flout one I will get back to you. So far he has been by the book. Liberals not liking him is not against policy.

Quote: TigerWu

Here's a policy violation:

Trump destroys and throws away documents that legally must be preserved.

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Over the course of decades, Donald Trump’s companies have systematically destroyed or hidden thousands of emails, digital records and paper documents demanded in official proceedings, often in defiance of court orders. These tactics—exposed by a Newsweek review of thousands of pages of court filings, judicial orders and affidavits from an array of court cases—have enraged judges, prosecutors, opposing lawyers and the many ordinary citizens entangled in litigation with Trump. In each instance, Trump and entities he controlled also erected numerous hurdles that made lawsuits drag on for years, forcing courtroom opponents to spend huge sums of money in legal fees as they struggled—sometimes in vain—to obtain records.

Quote: TigerWu

Presidential Records Act, 44 U.S.C. Chapter 22, Section 2203, Subsections (a) and (c):

"(a) Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law." (emphasis added)

By tearing up documents and throwing them in the garbage, Trump is not taking all steps necessary to preserve and maintain Presidential records.

(c) During the President’s term of office, the President may dispose of those Presidential records of such President that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value if--

(1) the President obtains the views, in writing, of the Archivist concerning the proposed disposal of such Presidential records; and

(2) the Archivist states that the Archivist does not intend to take any action under subsection (e) of this section.

Trump did not acquire permission in writing from the Archivist to destroy Presidential records.

Quote: aceofspades

I didn't see an Obama exemption therein:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/30375-trumps-second-and-third-year-in-office/329/#post653646

Quote: aceofspades

And, FYI, it was NOT A FOX NEWS POLL - it was ZOBGY
https://zogbyanalytics.com/news/788-trump-approval-at-45-support-among-hispanics-west-and-union-voters-jumps-double-digits

Quote: aceofspades

Quote: TigerWu

Presidential Records Act, 44 U.S.C. Chapter 22, Section 2203, Subsections (a) and (c):

"(a) Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law." (emphasis added)

By tearing up documents and throwing them in the garbage, Trump is not taking all steps necessary to preserve and maintain Presidential records.

(c) During the President’s term of office, the President may dispose of those Presidential records of such President that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value if--

(1) the President obtains the views, in writing, of the Archivist concerning the proposed disposal of such Presidential records; and

(2) the Archivist states that the Archivist does not intend to take any action under subsection (e) of this section.

Trump did not acquire permission in writing from the Archivist to destroy Presidential records.

I didn't see an Obama exemption therein:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/30375-trumps-second-and-third-year-in-office/329/#post653646

Quote: darkoz

What a horrible tv lawyer

Quote: EvenBob

Ace should sue you in TV court for
defamation. He has some cool TV
lawyer suits he could wear.

Quote: EvenBob

. The
two world leaders with the worst hair
finally meet.

Quote: darkoz

So in your opinion

Having consensual sex with your intern is assault

But not running up to strange women and grabbing their crotches without consent

Quote: ams288

"You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything." - Donald J. Trump

Quote: SOOPOO

Uh. No!!! Having sex with your intern unless coercion can be proven, is likely consensual. It is also a fireable offense in any major corporation. Which woman has attempted to prosecute DJT for any sexual offense? None. Right?

Quote: beachbumbabs

No. There are at least 16 women who have attempted to prosecute their complaints against him. AFAIK, all are still in process or on hold whIle the situation is unclear (him being president). None are dropped.

That doesn't include the women who have had settlements with him, or signed NDAs who have not come out publicly yet.

Quote: darkoz

Thats fine

I have some masks i could wear