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Your inane conspiracy theories, combined with your tales of sadistic, cheating casino lords pummeling you into submission via various cheating techniques are absurd and wholly without a shred of substantiation.
Your credibility went south long ago.
Just cowboy up, or to paraphrase an oft-heard saying at the casinos: "Dummy up and play."
Quote: ZenKinGNot a coincidence i havent been able to win since the shooting. Must be the biggest cold decks going around all over town. Rigged ass corrupt casinos.
So let me get this straight... In order to combat dwindling tourism from a mass shooting, the casinos are using rigged decks in order to cause people to lose more money than normal, thus driving away their remaining client base? That makes zero sense. If anything, there would be a conspiracy to rig things in the player's favor in order to attract more clientele.
Quote:All these casinos deserve the absolute worst.
You know what would be the best revenge against a casino? Not gambling. Why don't you give it a shot?
Quote: TigerWuSo let me get this straight... In order to combat dwindling tourism from a mass shooting, the casinos are using rigged decks in order to cause people to lose more money than normal, thus driving away their remaining client base? That makes zero sense. If anything, there would be a conspiracy to rig things in the player's favor in order to attract more clientele.
You know what would be the best revenge against a casino? Not gambling. Why don't you give it a shot?
Oh, you are now saying that casinos are rational? WOW, that's news to me. These mob run casinos know that people will always come to vegas regardless whether or not they lose money, because people know no one can win at 'gambling'. I will keep making the cheating claims until there is transparency between the customer and casino. Everyone should do the same. It's our right to know what the hell is in there and if they wont show us, they deserve the cheating claims and actually it should be posted on flyers all over the strip until there is transparency and if you dont agree to that, you're just another brainwashed sheep that believes in unicorns and rainbows and that everyone in this world is rational and is in it for your best interest.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee. They want you to believe the mob was run out of town. Here's a newsflash, they all work in corporate now and have the gaming commission in their pocket. Even if casinos get caught cheating they will get a slap on the wrist. Vegas government relies heavily on the tax revenue from these casinos. If you think they would ever take their license or something of that nature and put them out of business in this town, I got a bridge to sell you.
Quote: ZenKinG
I will keep making the cheating claims until there is transparency between the customer and casino. Everyone should do the same. It's our right to know what the hell is in there and if they wont show us, they deserve the cheating claims and actually it should be posted on flyers all over the strip until there is transparency
So what is stopping you from printing up a bunch of flyers yourself and handing them out on the strip? Have you called your Senator and Representative? Have you contacted the NGC? Have you hired private investigators? Have you stopped gambling cold turkey until this cheating business is all sorted out? What are YOU personally doing RIGHT NOW to solve this problem other than angrily rattle off conspiracy theories in a tiny corner of the internet?
Quote:and if you dont agree to that, you're just another brainwashed sheep that believes in unicorns and rainbows and that everyone in this world is rational and is in it for your best interest.
I know casinos don't exist for my best interest. They exist to make money. I've known that since day one. Are YOU just now figuring this out? (P.S. rainbows are real.)
Quote:Time to wake up and smell the coffee. They want you to believe the mob was run out of town. Here's a newsflash, they all work in corporate now and have the gaming commission in their pocket. Even if casinos get caught cheating they will get a slap on the wrist. Vegas government relies heavily on the tax revenue from these casinos. If you think they would ever take their license or something of that nature and put them out of business in this town, I got a bridge to sell you.
Haha... okay, pal. Like I said before, if you think the system is so crooked, you would stop gambling and find another hobby.
and this impotent society can't do an effing thing to stop him
we just don't know who, when or where
the devil that you don't know is much worse than the devil that you know
too bad for the future victims. it's just too too bad for them.
but maybe we'll get lucky and it won't be us or our families
that's the best we can hope for
We didn't have this sort of thing "back in the day;" what changed?
Quote: ZenKinGNot a coincidence i havent been able to win since the shooting. Must be the biggest cold decks going around all over town. Rigged ass corrupt casinos. They deserved this bad publicity. Too bad this didnt happen to Paris who sweat their games for no reason at all and threaten to trespass you and try to intimidate you. All these casinos deserve the absolute worst. I shouldve tried to provoke that security guard to lay his hands on me so i can kick his ass without consequences
You're really saying it's too bad that a massacre didn't happen at one place as opposed to the other?
Listen, you really need to keep this kind of garbage to your, "ZenKing Whines About His Charmed Life," threads. If I see one more post with the topic is you griping about rigged decks, abysmal luck...whatever...and the thread's topic is not directly related to gambling, I'm going to ask what the longest is I am allowed to ban you for...and then double it.
Quote: ZenKinGNot a coincidence i havent been able to win since the shooting. Must be the biggest cold decks going around all over town. Rigged ass corrupt casinos. They deserved this bad publicity. Too bad this didnt happen to Paris who sweat their games for no reason at all and threaten to trespass you and try to intimidate you. All these casinos deserve the absolute worst. I shouldve tried to provoke that security guard to lay his hands on me so i can kick his ass without consequences
Have you no decency, sir? This is not about you. It's appalling you would call something like this down on anyone ever again.
Quote: ZenKinG...that believes in unicorns and rainbows and that everyone in this world is rational and is in it for your best interest....
You do realize rainbows are actually real, right?
I think some of the stuff ZK says is crazy and it can be annoying (I sometimes just ignore or skip over it), there are many members who bring up political and other nonsense in threads not related to gambling. I thought this forum was mainly supposed to be about gambling.Quote: Mission146You're really saying it's too bad that a massacre didn't happen at one place as opposed to the other?
Listen, you really need to keep this kind of garbage to your, "ZenKing Whines About His Charmed Life," threads. If I see one more post with the topic is you griping about rigged decks, abysmal luck...whatever...and the thread's topic is not directly related to gambling, I'm going to ask what the longest is I am allowed to ban you for...and then double it.
It does sound like you are trying to censor him because you don't like what HE is saying and how often he is saying it.
Quote: RSQuote: ZenKinG...that believes in unicorns and rainbows and that everyone in this world is rational and is in it for your best interest....
You do realize rainbows are actually real, right?
That was funny!!
Quote: AxelWolfand how often he is saying it.
Yes, because it becomes flooding/trolling/off-topic at a certain point.
Quote: Mission146Yes, because it becomes flooding/trolling/off-topic at a certain point.
It's especially true when it is not only the same precise subject matter, but also when he has an entire thread that he created dedicated to the subject of how he is running and his opinion of all of the casinos. He can say whatever he wants (within the more objective rules) there all he likes and I wouldn't have a thing to say about it. I wouldn't do anything to him for Trolling his own thread.
Quote: beachbumbabsHave you no decency, sir? This is not about you. It's appalling you would call something like this down on anyone ever again.
No I dont, not when Im talking about these immoral scum based casinos. From the top to the bottom, including security guards all of them who work there are immoral mindless based drones that will follow immoral orders for a paycheck no matter if it's fair or not. Yeah go ahead and defend them.
You're also misunderstanding what I said, im obviously NOT wishing death upon anyone and never would. Paris deserves to lose their whole customer base through some type of bad publicity because they are such an immoral scum based casino and im sure the rest of the strip is the same way, that was my main point. Greedy corrupt idiots not only in surveillance but the drones including the security guards who take immoral orders from their superiors because they're scared to lose a paycheck. If everyone stood up for what's right and didnt give a damn about their paycheck, maybe this world would actually be something worthwhile to live in.
Quote: Mission146You're really saying it's too bad that a massacre didn't happen at one place as opposed to the other?
Listen, you really need to keep this kind of garbage to your, "ZenKing Whines About His Charmed Life," threads. If I see one more post with the topic is you griping about rigged decks, abysmal luck...whatever...and the thread's topic is not directly related to gambling, I'm going to ask what the longest is I am allowed to ban you for...and then double it.
Charmed life? I never had a job that paid more than 11 an hour and never got one handout from my parents. 95% of the population has had what I had, but most of them spend like crazy, go into debt, have no financial money management and then stay broke the rest of their lives. I worked my ass off to get to vegas and do something I believed in. I saved as much as I could. I worked two minimum wage jobs simultaenously while also traveling 3 hour round trips to PA to get the hours in to build a bankroll. I saved up enough to buy my car with cash because I dont believe in government handouts, loans, credit cards, interest payments, or buying something with money you dont have. If you dont have money for something, you dont deserve it, whether it's a car, a house, anything. My dad ended up paying half for the car, BUT i had the money in cash in my bank account regardless and was going to pay for it, but he told me because he bought my brothers car for him, he said it would only be fair to at least pay half.
So before you go and say charmed life or whatever the hell you're saying, know the facts.
Quote: AxelWolfI think some of the stuff ZK says is crazy and it can be annoying (I sometimes just ignore or skip over it), there are many members who bring up political and other nonsense in threads not related to gambling. I thought this forum was mainly supposed to be about gambling.
It does sound like you are trying to censor him because you don't like what HE is saying and how often he is saying it.
Shhh, how dare you bring facts into this. Let him single me out. Im used to it. Just more adversity in my life. I constantly bring up this topic, because not ONE person has yet to prove to me that im not being cheated or that casinos are right for being non-transparent to its customers. And im the bad guy? REALLY? Im the bad guy for wanting transparency. It's just too funny. Him trying to censor me almost feels like hes trying to protect the casino from the truth getting out.
Quote: Mission146Yes, because it becomes flooding/trolling/off-topic at a certain point.
Interjecting your perceived opinion again. You should rewrite the rules if you want to ban him so bad.
Quote: ZenKinGCharmed life? I never had a job that paid more than 11 an hour and never got one handout from my parents. 95% of the population has had what I had, but most of them spend like crazy, go into debt, have no financial money management and then stay broke the rest of their lives. I worked my ass off to get to vegas and do something I believed in. I saved as much as I could. I worked two minimum wage jobs simultaenously while also traveling 3 hour round trips to PA to get the hours in to build a bankroll.
I never had a job that did pay $11/hour, despite a Bachelor's Degree, until I started writing for the sites, obviously I make more than that. I had jobs where you could conditionally make more than that, or work a crap ton of hours and the OT would get your average there, but nothing where the base pay was anything so high. Commission jobs, but again, not guaranteed.
Also, how old did you say you are? You lived with your parents until what age? Maybe our definition of, "Handouts," differs.
Quote:I saved up enough to buy my car with cash because I dont believe in government handouts, loans, credit cards, interest payments, or buying something with money you dont have. If you dont have money for something, you dont deserve it, whether it's a car, a house, anything. My dad ended up paying half for the car, BUT i had the money in cash in my bank account regardless and was going to pay for it, but he told me because he bought my brothers car for him, he said it would only be fair to at least pay half.
So before you go and say charmed life or whatever the hell you're saying, know the facts.
Okay, so your Dad handed out half your car. Which is it? Nobody ever bought me half a car. My Mom sold me a car once for probably a grand less than the same car would have cost me Private Party, and I was grateful for that much.
Here are the facts, the facts are:
1.) You are making a run at being a professional Blackjack player with money that you were only able to accumulate because you lived at your parents rent-free for whatever number of years.
2.) Despite the fact that you claim to understand gambling, you don't seem to comprehend how swings work and have problems handling them. Either that or you use the Forum to vent, as you sometimes claim. I'm perfectly fine with that, in your own thread.
Anyway, I'm not saying you have it easy, I'm saying there are people who have it a Hell of a lot worse.
And, perhaps most importantly, were you to keep this sort of tripe in your own thread, I wouldn't bother you at all.
Quote: Mission146I never had a job that did pay $11/hour, despite a Bachelor's Degree, until I started writing for the sites, obviously I make more than that. I had jobs where you could conditionally make more than that, or work a crap ton of hours and the OT would get your average there, but nothing where the base pay was anything so high. Commission jobs, but again, not guaranteed.
Also, how old did you say you are? You lived with your parents until what age? Maybe our definition of, "Handouts," differs.
Okay, so your Dad handed out half your car. Which is it? Nobody ever bought me half a car. My Mom sold me a car once for probably a grand less than the same car would have cost me Private Party, and I was grateful for that much.
Here are the facts, the facts are:
1.) You are making a run at being a professional Blackjack player with money that you were only able to accumulate because you lived at your parents rent-free for whatever number of years.
2.) Despite the fact that you claim to understand gambling, you don't seem to comprehend how swings work and have problems handling them. Either that or you use the Forum to vent, as you sometimes claim. I'm perfectly fine with that, in your own thread.
Anyway, I'm not saying you have it easy, I'm saying there are people who have it a Hell of a lot worse.
And, perhaps most importantly, were you to keep this sort of tripe in your own thread, I wouldn't bother you at all.
He paid half for it, BUT i had the money to pay for it is my point and even told him id pay for it but he insisted he would pay half to be fair. Had he not paid for it, I wouldve paid for it.
I dont understand the swings? Oh please, I have gone through tremendous swings already more times than I can count. At one point I was at 400 hours and dipped slightly into the red OVERALL. I nearly quit, but kept on pounding away and rattled off 30k in winnings and eventually got to 41k and grew my bankroll to 60k to come out here. It's not that I cant handle the swings, but the lack of transparency even back home annoys me more than I can fathom. Also now with expenses, I guess I've been stressed out that my bankroll is going to vanish. Im actually going to get a side job and try to offset the expenses.
Ill agree with you on this and you make a fair point. Ill stop hijacking threads(even though I did it only once) with the cheating claims, venting, etc and just post in mine if i decide to bring that up, which I probably wont anymore anyway. My objective was not too annoy anyone and Im sick as well of bringing it up because no one even sees where Im coming from. Everyone knows where I stand, but sometimes I feel the need to reiterate my frustration about it. When people can't see where Im coming from and somehow im in the wrong that frustrates me even more. If you guys think this suspicious pre-shuffled practice that casinos are using is fine, that's just absurd.
Quote: ZenKinG
He paid half for it, BUT i had the money to pay for it is my point and even told him id pay for it but he insisted he would pay half to be fair. Had he not paid for it, I wouldve paid for it.
That's fine. Someone bought me dinner last month, though I offered to cover my part of the check. I had the money to do so. He still bought me dinner, no matter how you look at it.
Quote:I dont understand the swings? Oh please, I have gone through tremendous swings already more times than I can count. At one point I was at 400 hours and dipped slightly into the red OVERALL. I nearly quit, but kept on pounding away and rattled off 30k in winnings and eventually got to 41k and grew my bankroll to 60k to come out here. It's not that I cant handle the swings, but the lack of transparency even back home annoys me more than I can fathom. Also now with expenses, I guess I've been stressed out that my bankroll is going to vanish. Im actually going to get a side job and try to offset the expenses.
That's a good thing for you to do. If your current betting levels against your current bankroll yield a risk-of-ruin that you deem to be too high, then having a steady source of income is both a reasonable and good idea. I'm also impressed that you have made the amount of money you made counting cards, I'm not trying to denigrate that or take away from you any credit that you quite well deserve.
Quote:Ill agree with you on this and you make a fair point. Ill stop hijacking threads(even though I did it only once) with the cheating claims, venting, etc and just post in mine if i decide to bring that up, which I probably wont anymore anyway. My objective was not too annoy anyone and Im sick as well of bringing it up because no one even sees where Im coming from. Everyone knows where I stand, but sometimes I feel the need to reiterate my frustration about it. When people can't see where Im coming from and somehow im in the wrong that frustrates me even more. If you guys think this suspicious pre-shuffled practice that casinos are using is fine, that's just absurd.
I appreciate that concession, thank you. More importantly, you can make cheating claims anytime you want and in whatever fashion (provided you don't violate any of the more objective rules) as long as it's in your own thread that you created about your adventures. Other threads are fine, too, provided it is topical.
I don't have an opinion about the pre-shuffled practice because I don't count cards and, as a result, it has no direct effect on me. I don't even play Blackjack, if you want to know the truth. I counted cards very briefly and on very few occasions during which time I would, "Call in," the big bettor if it was justified by the count. In the meantime, I was just to sit there and bet the minimum, play basic, on money that didn't even belong to me anyway. I would obviously be compensated for my efforts.
My assertion is that, between player errors and the house edge itself, as well as the measures in place to protect against cheating, that the casinos have no reason to cheat. I think this is particularly true of casinos in the Vegas area. As many on here have mentioned, you could back count all day long (without even playing) and if the number of faces and aces comes in over 3SD to the low over a significant sample size, then there are many who would be interested in your findings. Anything else, lacking specific numbers, is conjecture.
Quote: ZenKinGNot a coincidence i havent been able to win since the shooting. Must be the biggest cold decks going around all over town. Rigged ass corrupt casinos. They deserved this bad publicity. Too bad this didnt happen to Paris who sweat their games for no reason at all and threaten to trespass you and try to intimidate you. All these casinos deserve the absolute worst. I shouldve tried to provoke that security guard to lay his hands on me so i can kick his ass without consequences
I strongly repudiate this post. Disgusting.
Quote: WizardI strongly repudiate this post. Disgusting.
I already cleared up what i meant. I was misunderstood ONCE again. Yea lets just brush aside that the casinos are the good guys and im the bad guys here. Laughable at best.
Quote: AxelWolf
It does sound like you are trying to CENSOR him
I want to make it clear that I am not saying that he should be banned or suspended.
But the word "censor" is a very loaded word that you used here inappropriately.
Censorship would be if a Government took action to shut down a person's website because they didn't want that person's political views to be disseminated.
This forum is a private business. No person has any inherent right to see their words appear on this forum.
An administrator shutting down someone is not censorship; it's editing.
If you wrote a letter to the New York Times saying that New York casinos should offer video poker games with higher payouts and the Times chose not to publish your letter in their Letters to the Editor section that would not be censorship.
Quote: ZenKinGI already cleared up what i meant. I was misunderstood ONCE again. Yea lets just brush aside that the casinos are the good guys and im the bad guys here. Laughable at best.
The part that keeps escaping YOU is that you said irresponsible, reprehensible crap in the thread about the LV mass shooting, leaving the only possible conclusion that you think it was somehow deserved and should be repeated, just because you're running bad. Then you're, without apology, trying to justify or walk back what you said, claiming you were misunderstood. What part of a direct correlation between the topic title and your vile post do you not get?
Quote: beachbumbabsThe part that keeps escaping YOU is that you said irresponsible, reprehensible crap in the thread about the LV mass shooting, leaving the only possible conclusion that you think it was somehow deserved and should be repeated, just because you're running bad. Then you're, without apology, trying to justify or walk back what you said, claiming you were misunderstood. What part of a direct correlation between the topic title and your vile post do you not get?
I never said it should be repeated. That would be disgusting for me to say that. I say crazy things but i never would wish death on anyone. I was just getting at the fact that Paris shouldve had the bad publicity. Nonetheless, ill just issue an apology to whoever still wants to accept it if i came across the wrong way.
As sad and pathetic as it sounds, im still adjusting to living on my own and with the added stress of a non replenishable bankroll at a 1.5% edgehigh variance game and keep thinking my bankroll is going to vanish before my eyes. Again, no one has to accept my apologies even though i never really said anything wrong but probably once again i used a poor choice of words.
Lastly i actually went back and read the first 15 pages of my D day thread and realized how badly ive lost my mind since I started that thread. I had 61k, heading out to vegas by myself excited as i ever was and eager for the new adventure and challenge. Turns out since then maybe ive resorted to poor excuses for bad luck or maybe even bad play on my part. Ive gotten completely away from my plan of attack, but instead complained for the last 6 months. Im disappointed in myself more than anything. Ive pushed people away and annoyed others who were simply trying to help.
Im honestly going to try and fix this rugged mentality ive been in. I complained back in PA as well about the same things and I came out well in the positive so i think what ive been saying is just utter nonsense and need to just start focusing. Theres a saying that goes "Once I let go of my excuses, I found my results". Maybe i need that quote on my wall to look at every day.
Quote: lilredroosterI want to make it clear that I am not saying that he should be banned or suspended.
But the word "censor" is a very loaded word that you used here inappropriately.
Censorship would be if a Government took action to shut down a person's website because they didn't want that person's political views to be disseminated.
This forum is a private business. No person has any inherent right to see their words appear on this forum.
An administrator shutting down someone is not censorship; it's editing.
If you wrote a letter to the New York Times saying that New York casinos should offer video poker games with higher payouts and the Times chose not to publish your letter in their Letters to the Editor section that would not be censorship.
The "forum" (admins) have the right to censor what they want to, but that doesn't make it any less censorship. I'm not saying censorship is bad on all accounts. A parent can censor what his children view on TV, the Internet, or a bunch of other stuff -- oftentimes it's the right thing to do, but that doesn't mean it isn't censorship.
Sending a letter to the NY Times and asking them to post it -- and them not posting it, is not censorship, but it's not because they are free to publish what they want. It's because I don't already have an expectation for them to publish what I want. If I'm a writer for the NY Times and I write a piece which they will not publish, then that would be censorship. ZenKing has an expectation to be able to post what he wants here, within the rules.
Of course, there are also rules. If the NY Times shut down a writer for publishing a pro-Trump article, that would be censorship. If they shut him down for trying to write an article with a bunch of F-bombs and other swearing stuffs, that wouldn't be censorship (I'm assuming they have a rule where they can't write swear words in an article).
As far as ZenKing getting "censored" in this thread -- I'd say maybe or maybe not. It's somewhere between him breaking the rules and not breaking the rules.
BTW, APGuru ZenKing*, aren't you down like 1 standard deviation? You do realize you're just as likely to be down 1 SD after 10 hours of play as you are after 100,000 hours of play, right?
It's obvious you can't self-filter. I think you(and Trump) need someone to look over your posts before you send them. Someone that can say, ya, I probably wouldn't send that, you should leave out VWXY&Z or just toss the entire thing, and start over in the morning.Quote: ZenKinGI never said it should be repeated. That would be disgusting for me to say that. I say crazy things but i never would wish death on anyone. I was just getting at the fact that Paris shouldve had the bad publicity. Nonetheless, ill just issue an apology to whoever still wants to accept it if i came across the wrong way.
As sad and pathetic as it sounds, im still adjusting to living on my own and with the added stress of a non replenishable bankroll at a 1.5% edgehigh variance game and keep thinking my bankroll is going to vanish before my eyes. Again, no one has to accept my apologies even though i never really said anything wrong but probably once again i used a poor choice of words.
Lastly i actually went back and read the first 15 pages of my D day thread and realized how badly ive lost my mind since I started that thread. I had 61k, heading out to vegas by myself excited as i ever was and eager for the new adventure and challenge. Turns out since then maybe ive resorted to poor excuses for bad luck or maybe even bad play on my part. Ive gotten completely away from my plan of attack, but instead complained for the last 6 months. Im disappointed in myself more than anything. Ive pushed people away and annoyed others who were simply trying to help.
Im honestly going to try and fix this rugged mentality ive been in. I complained back in PA as well about the same things and I came out well in the positive so i think what ive been saying is just utter nonsense and need to just start focusing. Theres a saying that goes "Once I let go of my excuses, I found my results". Maybe i need that quote on my wall to look at every day.
At the beginning, people were having some fun with you, but now people are beginning to think you are starting to crack. They probably thought that long ago, but even more so as of late.
NVM, my first paragraph. Doesn't a young single guy living in Vegas with 50k and a nice car have anything better to do than to F*** around on WOV, especially when 95% of it is negative, from or towards you?
Quote: RSThe "forum" (admins) have the right to censor what they want to, but that doesn't make it any less censorship. I'm not saying censorship is bad on all accounts. A parent can censor what his children view on TV, the Internet, or a bunch of other stuff -- oftentimes it's the right thing to do, but that doesn't mean it isn't censorship.
Sending a letter to the NY Times and asking them to post it -- and them not posting it, is not censorship, but it's not because they are free to publish what they want. It's because I don't already have an expectation for them to publish what I want. If I'm a writer for the NY Times and I write a piece which they will not publish, then that would be censorship. ZenKing has an expectation to be able to post what he wants here, within the rules.
Of course, there are also rules. If the NY Times shut down a writer for publishing a pro-Trump article, that would be censorship. If they shut him down for trying to write an article with a bunch of F-bombs and other swearing stuffs, that wouldn't be censorship (I'm assuming they have a rule where they can't write swear words in an article).
As far as ZenKing getting "censored" in this thread -- I'd say maybe or maybe not. It's somewhere between him breaking the rules and not breaking the rules.
BTW, APGuru ZenKing*, aren't you down like 1 standard deviation? You do realize you're just as likely to be down 1 SD after 10 hours of play as you are after 100,000 hours of play, right?
You might notice the post didn't get removed. It got multiple rebuttals and disavowals. Big difference.
It would have been easier to censor it.
There is a theory of motive, widely broadcast, that said the shooter might have acted because he was on a losing streak. None of that has been proven to be true, to my knowledge, but several of the members here have been asked to weigh in, one way or another, as experts by the authorities or media. There are many things going on we don't know about as the investigation continues.
For a member to even suggest that he has that hypothetical mindset is, in that context, so unacceptable to host on WoV that it had to be strongly addressed and rejected. I'm not making my point well, sorry, but it's somewhat analogous to a person in the TSA line at the airport saying something about having a bomb on them. There is no room for the TSA officer to say, "oh, ha ha, funny guy". We have no room for comments that suggest violence against casinos or their patrons are any part of this forum. Ever.
I think ZenKing has made it clear that he did not intend for his post to say that. So I'm planning to move on.
Quote: RSThe "forum" (admins) have the right to censor what they want to, but that doesn't make it any less censorship. I'm not saying censorship is bad on all accounts. A parent can censor what his children view on TV, the Internet, or a bunch of other stuff -- oftentimes it's the right thing to do, but that doesn't mean it isn't censorship
I accept your definition of censorship. I would only point out that most definitions include the word "official" which suggests a governmental authority doing the censoring. However, since I noticed some slack in the definitions I believe you are correct. I would like to apologize to Axel for being overly critical of his post. Sorry man.
Quote: beachbumbabsYou might notice the post didn't get removed. It got multiple rebuttals and disavowals. Big difference.
It would have been easier to censor it.
There is a theory of motive, widely broadcast, that said the shooter might have acted because he was on a losing streak. None of that has been proven to be true, to my knowledge, but several of the members here have been asked to weigh in, one way or another, as experts by the authorities or media. There are many things going on we don't know about as the investigation continues.
For a member to even suggest that he has that hypothetical mindset is, in that context, so unacceptable to host on WoV that it had to be strongly addressed and rejected. I'm not making my point well, sorry, but it's somewhat analogous to a person in the TSA line at the airport saying something about having a bomb on them. There is no room for the TSA officer to say, "oh, ha ha, funny guy". We have no room for comments that suggest violence against casinos or their patrons are any part of this forum. Ever.
I think ZenKing has made it clear that he did not intend for his post to say that. So I'm planning to move on.
My post was mostly aimed at lilredrooster about the word "censorship" and not me pointing a finger at you or any other green goblins admins*. :)
I'm fairly neutral on whether ZenKing's posts should be edited/removed/etc. or be left alone, for the most part, up to what I read. I thought the stuff about "always losing since Oct. 1" and w/e what said about Paris stuff was a bit out of hwack (you gotta pronounce the 'h' in 'whack' first, sorta like Stewie Griffin saying, "Cool Whip"). I stopped mostly reading and just started to do some skimming around the post where it was mostly just Mission and ZenKing going back and forth.
Quote: lilredroosterI accept your definition of censorship. I would only point out that most definitions include the word "official" which suggests a governmental authority doing the censoring. However, since I noticed some slack in the definitions I believe you are correct. I would like to apologize to Axel for being overly critical of his post. Sorry man.
Quote: ZenKinGNot a coincidence I haven't been able to win since the shooting. Must be the biggest cold decks going around all over town. Rigged ass corrupt casinos. They deserved this bad publicity. Too bad this didn't happen to Paris who sweat their games for no reason at all and threaten to trespass you and try to intimidate you. All these casinos deserve the absolute worst. I should've tried to provoke that security guard to lay his hands on me so i can kick his ass without consequences
I find it strange that you claim that you have been cold decked since October 1, 2017. It seems that you believe in Math but also believe in some sort of Voodoo or Hooey (nonsense). When I read your posts about your gaming life it seems pretty clear that you are not fully committed to the lifestyle. Sure, you built up a bankroll and moved to Vegas and started living the dream I suppose one could say but your not committed to overcoming the obstacles in your path. Just on this site alone you were told how hard it would be to move to Vegas and only count for a living. I suppose you have found a niche in the Video Game World as well but that has nothing to do with beating Casinos on a day to day and year to year basis. How can you be upset at the Paris or any Strip or Off Strip Casino that gives you Heat over BJ. Have you not listened to one word of advice from every sharp member on this forum? These people, and myself included, have decades of experience in this arena and you come out here for 6 months and think you know best or know what you are doing which it is clear that you really do not. How can you be upset about transparency? This isn't Church or some Charity Organization. Your in a city that is nicknamed "Sin City" and your upset about Immoral Behavior or this word you use of Transparency? I do not understand how you and other College Graduates and Upstanding Citizens come to the "Den of Iniquity" and expect "Fair Play" or Justice? Do you not know the history of Gambling or Gaming or Black Jack or Poker or any other form of pleasure that is in this city? I do not think that most people today understand that Gambling is a form of Pleasure and that is why you will hear it over and over again about how playing in the Casino is considered or supposed to be considered a form of Entertainment. Can players beat the Casinos consistently and make a living out of it? Yes but understand that it comes with a price and is somewhat of an Art Form to be able to have longevity at it. As many members have suggested on here over and over to you is that you need to diversify your game and find the leaks. Plenty of leaks inside of this Juggernaut that is full of hard earned money. You just need to learn how to pick it up off of the floor. Your main problem is that you do not realize you are walking over the money to run to the Pit to play BJ. The late Paigowdan told you that it wouldn't be long before they catch you and it is pretty clear they are already on to you in this city!? How much longer do you think you have? Either get busy living or get busy dying as stated in that movie The Shawshank Redemption. You will never really get a handle on this Vegas Life unless your going to get down in the Mud with the rest of us and get your hands dirty. There is a reason why thousands move to Vegas every month while thousands have to move out and back to the sticks where they came from. It is truly a Transient Town but that is another thing your not ready to understand. It is ok though because your young and have lots to learn but you just don't seem to understand how to be a Hustler even though you consider yourself to be one.
I personally had a decent month in October and lost money on the last two days of that month. On November 8th I had a night where I was down 4k and got it back but ended up losing 18k that night. On November 10th I went out to pick up 300 in Free Play and ended up hitting a 2 Dollar Royal on Single Line and after that the flood gates opened. I ended up winning 20k on a 100 play quarter machine and ended the night up 29k. After that the week was good and I am up 63k since the 10th of November to the 19th currently. So I got the 18k back plus 45k. This doesn't mean anything though. I could just as easily lose 63k coming up this week but my point is that not all of us have been cold decked since October 1, 2017.
Quote: ZenKinGNo I dont, not when Im talking about these immoral scum based casinos. From the top to the bottom, including security guards all of them who work there are immoral mindless based drones that will follow immoral orders for a paycheck no matter if it's fair or not. Yeah go ahead and defend them.
You're also misunderstanding what I said, im obviously NOT wishing death upon anyone and never would. Paris deserves to lose their whole customer base through some type of bad publicity because they are such an immoral scum based casino and im sure the rest of the strip is the same way, that was my main point. Greedy corrupt idiots not only in surveillance but the drones including the security guards who take immoral orders from their superiors because they're scared to lose a paycheck. If everyone stood up for what's right and didnt give a damn about their paycheck, maybe this world would actually be something worthwhile to live in.
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*** immoral scum based casinos. From the top to the bottom, including security guards all of them who work there are immoral mindless based drones that will follow immoral orders for a paycheck no matter if it's fair or not. ***
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This is a tough statement to swallow. If I understand this correctly you are calling everyone involved an Immoral Scum Based person and Immorally Brain Dead willing to do anything for the all mighty dollar??
Who do you think you are with all this pointing the Immoral Finger around... Jimmy Swaggart? Interesting example since he was always pointing the finger at the Sinners but was Sinning just as bad as the rest of us and ended up getting caught over it. My point is that I am sure you are just as Immoral as the Casino and the rest of us Sinners/Immoral Evil Doers. I would of liked to of seen you in the back alleys shooting dice or in the wild wild west playing poker. How long do you think a moral player such as yourself would of lasted with us cutthroats?
Try to be happy that they cleaned up Gambling or Gaming for the most part and put it in the front room (Also On Television) with scented air and air condition... instead of crying foul all of the time... try to learn how to beat them and have them shake your hand while paying you in cash and inviting you back to play again and again. If your doing things right the Casino Hosts should be texting you, begging you to come down for Dinner or the next Tournament. One example I had two days ago... I played 6 hours and ended up hitting a jackpot for 8k and was winning 2300 when I finished. The host congratulated me and asked me if I wanted a comp? I said I would like to have dinner at the Steak House and could you do a 400 dollar comp since I will bring 3 friends? The host didn't even blink and asked me what time I wanted my reservation and that my comp would be waiting for me in the Steak House when I arrived later that night. You really are just doing things wrong.
Didn't they tell you in your precious books that when they spot you and ask you not to play anymore your just supposed to grin and bear it and keep a low profile and not cause a scene? I read a BJ book over 20 years ago that was called Master System or something like that and it had a few paragraphs trying to teach the reader that this will happen and how to deal with it.
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Lastly i actually went back and read the first 15 pages of my D day thread and realized how badly ive lost my mind since I started that thread. I had 61k, heading out to vegas by myself excited as i ever was and eager for the new adventure and challenge. Turns out since then maybe ive resorted to poor excuses for bad luck or maybe even bad play on my part. Ive gotten completely away from my plan of attack, but instead complained for the last 6 months. Im disappointed in myself more than anything. Ive pushed people away and annoyed others who were simply trying to help.
Im honestly going to try and fix this rugged mentality ive been in. I complained back in PA as well about the same things and I came out well in the positive so i think what ive been saying is just utter nonsense and need to just start focusing. Theres a saying that goes "Once I let go of my excuses, I found my results". Maybe i need that quote on my wall to look at every day.
We've got your back if you just need to vent, (in your thread) but as you point out, you'll easily become the subject of ridicule if what you're saying flies against all reason. Anybody that has AP'ed professionally or recreationally knows what it's like to run bad, or just have a play completely collapse, get 86'ed, whatever...so there are some sympathetic ears here for you.
I would also like to think that, in spite of everything you have said, nobody here is rooting against you and I'm sure you still have some people rooting for you. I hope your posting as well as reading here benefits you in the long run and I wish you the greatest success.
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As far as ZenKing getting "censored" in this thread -- I'd say maybe or maybe not. It's somewhere between him breaking the rules and not breaking the rules.
Censoring would be if I told him what he can or cannot say (absent a clear Rule violation) in his own thread, with the specific subject matter of same being ZenKing's run in Vegas.
Quote: MaxPenInterjecting your perceived opinion again. You should rewrite the rules if you want to ban him so bad.
If I wanted to, "Ban him so bad," I would have done it already.
Is it not clear that I'm trying to enforce the Rule against hijacking topics? He and I seem to have found a point of agreement, but this thread is about the Mandalay Bay shooting and 90% of his post was about him, how he's running, who he would like to kick in the head...The only mention of the subject of the shooting that he made (as I interpreted it) was that it would have been better to happen at one casino as opposed to another so the other casino would get the bad pub.
I mean, should I let a person (not necessarily ZK, but anyone) make a casual mention of the topic of a thread just to turn it around in the very next sentence to be about what that person already created his/her own thread for?
The point is, at some point it becomes Trolling/Hijacking. I will admit that point is subjective, which is the main reason why I don't believe I have ever immediately banned someone under those grounds without an open Warning (or that they had already been banned for the same thing before) first.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/25231-discussion-ii-about-the-suspension-list/102/#post611466
I would like to get us back on track by quoting the most recent post directly pertinent to the topic at hand, which can be found on the bottom of Page 90:
Quote: billryanThe broadcast news had a segment about MGM cutting many workers hours, as a result of lost business since then. They are already pinching pennies and storing acorns.
Respond to falling glass as windows were hammered? We still don't know if it was detected and I sure don't think anyone did or should have thought about a shooting instead of a drunk.
Discovered the video surveillance system? The food service cart in the hallway is standard. Someone eventually comes around and collects them but its no great priority or viewed as a danger. Its a nuisance and perhaps an eyesore but its not viewed as a danger.
Prowled thru their records and his psyche on account of those Do Not Disturb signs?
Had better trained and more numerous crowd control personnel? Given better instructions? How would anyone know what direction to run. All those stamped injuries were the fault of those who trampled over them.
The medic tent and ambulance personnel were expecting alcoholics with sunstroke or drug overdoses, not bullet wounds.
Hindsight makes us think stopping this would have been easy and obvious.
Once it started, it seems security failed to do anything but watch and wait with miscommunication amongst phone operators and different police officers, none of whom were acting as Incident Commander.
There will be zillions of lawsuits all will be merged into one liability ruling. Hotels have to be prepared for some things but there is no reason to impose on Mandalay Bay a training day for a tsunami.
Security will not be able to track the number of trips one makes to their room with suitcases. Without metal detectors on entry or at the elevators (now likely a must) and enforcement of "no guns on property", there is nothing that MB could have done to prevent this.
There was no conspiracy here. What is clear is that the shooter amassed his weapons over a year perhaps in preparation for this event, designed to take mass casualties. Without an examination of one's online history and laptop (probably destroyed) it will be impossible to tell motive, not that it matters.
badQuote: boymimboI feel badly for Mandalay Bay.
I agree, even extreme security measures and a few crystal balls thrown in could not have predicted or detected this up until the incident started, but once it did start, I do fault them.
After any tragedy like this I am sure there are many lessons to be learned. But I do not think that one of them will be that MB was at fault before OR after the shooting started.Quote: FleaStiffbut once it did start, I do fault them.
Hindsight is 20/20. They had no idea of how many people were in the room and I know that there are cavaliers that just said "storm the door" -- fine if you know you are up against one, not so fine if you are up against 10 people.
Unfortunately circumstances where a good guy with a gun did not get to the bad guy with the gun before he killed 50+.
Awaiting swat's arrival with ballistic barriers and stun grenades is but one option.
I used the term tsunami as an example of how rare and unforeseeable this event would have been.
Quote: billryanFor all you know, he has a dozen kids in the room as hostages/shields. Firing blindly through the doors is one of the sillier options I've heard.
I don't know how well the decision tree would work if you had to improvise a scenario you hadn't expected.
But I would not fire through the door, until I knew for sure he was shooting into a large crowd of people outside. But once I learned that, I would probably consider it a good option, even with innocent people inside. Unless he has more than 20 thousand innocent people in his room. : |
Quote: billryanFor all you know, he has a dozen kids in the room as hostages/shields. Firing blindly through the doors is one of the sillier options I've heard.
Said this before, but...200 rounds through the door. 11 minutes total time firing on the crowd. I'm assuming only moments between the window breaking and start of firing. 32 floors up.
I think it's completely unrealistic to expect them to have entered, against rapid fire defense, in that amount of time.
However, I don't understand the followup timeline, that it took Swat to actually go in. An hour plus? If someone has a better understanding of what happened, please tell it.
Swat had to arrive and lug ballistic shields and a stun grenade as well as an entry-charge that blows the door rather than have some unfortunate person stand there with a battering ram. It also took time to make certain that swat could operate safely without hitting fellow non-swat officers.Quote: beachbumbabsHowever, I don't understand the followup timeline, that it took Swat to actually go in. An hour plus? If someone has a better understanding of what happened, please tell it.
However, I too think there is something amiss with that time line.
I look forward to the civil suits discovery process wherein we will learn more of exactly what happened. With officers already on scene and the exact room number already known, it should have been a shorter time period.
I still don't know why he stopped shooting but it seems it was not swat's work that did it.
My impression is that by the time SWAT arrived in the hallway, paddock had already killed himself and the shooting was over. Therefore, SWAT could be cautious and deliberate. There was no longer a need to blindly storm into the room.Quote: beachbumbabs
However, I don't understand the followup timeline, that it took Swat to actually go in. An hour plus? If someone has a better understanding of what happened, please tell it.
Under those circumstances I would not blame swat for taking their time despite all the confusion still taking place in the concert area.
Now the question remains: if you've been planning a mass murder for over a year, why stop when you still have plenty of guns and ammo there?
Something happened and I guess it turned out to be good, but I wonder what it was.
