SHOOTING at Mandalay festival
If I were in that hallway/on that floor, I'd have to be thinking twice before charging the room under those circumstances, not to mention all the people in adjacent rooms that I would try to get out of Hogan's Alley first.
Jmho.
I thought all those hotels had cameras everywhere. Surprised some footage hasn't materialized.
Not a good image, that: young women festooned in kevlar-weave body suits instead of the short, tight little black dresses so prevalent on the strip.
Quote: MrVNot to be too morbid, but the way this crazy world is circling the bowl, I wouldn't be too surprised if fashion designers incorporate bullet-proof material into some of their designs.
Not a good image, that: young women festooned in kevlar-weave body suits instead of the short, tight little black dresses so prevalent on the strip.
This kind of stuff has been around for a while. I doubt it will catch on. Despite everything in the news, the truth is that your chances of being a victim of any type of violent crime are lower now than they were 25-35 years ago.
Quote: beachbumbabsI thought all those hotels had cameras everywhere. Surprised some footage hasn't materialized.
The casinos obviously have cameras everywhere, but I remember reading a while back that very few Vegas hotels actually have cameras in the hotel hallways.
From the radio chatter and the sound of his firing they would have known he was standing at a window rather than standing at the door. True it would be a tense moment or so but a few tentative rounds into the lock mechanism would have been a good idea.Quote: beachbumbabsIf I were in that hallway/on that floor, I'd have to be thinking twice before charging the room under those circumstances.
That floor has large suites so there is some distance to other rooms and fairly good walls.
Impact resistant apparel exists. Some men in trenchcoats are actually wearing armor and often in bad neighborhoods a liquor store owner or convenience store owner will wear armor under a windbreaker when making a bank deposit.
Body armor is actually illegal in some places since it makes police bullets less effective.Quote: MrVNot to be too morbid, but the way this crazy world is circling the bowl, I wouldn't be too surprised if fashion designers incorporate bullet-proof material into some of their designs.
Not a good image, that: young women festooned in kevlar-weave body suits instead of the short, tight little black dresses so prevalent on the strip.
for the average citizens.
Quote: billryanWearing body armor in the commission of a crime will add another charge, but I am not aware of it being illegal
for the average citizens.
True, but convicted felon's can't even possess it, and some states make it difficult to purchase unless you are in law enforcement.
2. I don't blame security guards for not going into the hotel room. First, they likely have no idea WTF is going on (not their fault, it's a messed up situation that's never[?] happened in Vegas). I also don't think security guards are even trained for that type of situation. Hell, I don't think the average policeman is either (that's a job for the SWAT-types). And, of course, that's likely not part of the security's job description. If anything, they're probably told NOT to engage, so their employer isn't held responsible for their death (I wouldn't blame MGM for this, either).
3. I've heard having or wearing body armor is illegal, not sure if that's true or not, or if it's dependent on location. But if "their" reasoning is it's because it makes police bullets less effective -- then that's stupid....since that's at least partially the reason to wear it. Plus, it goes against the constitution's right to bear arms (so govt doesn't get too stronk). But I have no problem with it being a crime if used while doing another crime (when it fits the case). IE: You rob a bank wearing body armor -- longer prison sentence. But not for something like snorting lines in the bathroom while wearing it.
No idea what Metros standards are.
Quote: AxelWolfWhen I worked at the Frontier years ago all the security guards carried a gun. They were always talking about going to the range together, it was some type of comradery thing. I just assumed this was a thing across the board with guys (and gals) who have a job that requires them to carry.
The Frontier had problems with union organizers and picketers for years. I am not surprised their security was armed.
Quote: AyecarumbaThe Frontier had problems with union organizers and picketers for years. I am not surprised their security was armed.
Had just read about that recently after watching the last season of High Stakes Poker which featured Phil Ruffin.
Quote: AxelWolfWhen I worked at the Frontier years ago all the security guards carried a gun. They were always talking about going to the range together, it was some type of comradery thing. I just assumed this was a thing across the board with guys (and gals) who have a job that requires them to carry.
When my friends all got on the force, going to the range was a prelude to a night out with the boys. Fast forward a few years, add a wife and kids, weekend soccer games and little league and range time goes way down.
Quote: AyecarumbaBody armor is actually illegal in some places since it makes police bullets less effective.
"In Nevada, anyone can purchase and use a bulletproof vest, unless he or she has been convicted of a felony. Bulletproof vests and all other body armor can be purchased online or face-to-face." bulletsafe.com
Quote: billryanThe amount of time most cops spend on the range is laughable. Unless it changed in the last few years, an NYPD Officer is required to recertify every three to five years depending on his assignment. The test requires hitting a target almost two feet by two feet at Approx. 20, 25 and thirty feet. Even that is useless as most gunfight are within a few.feet
No idea what Metros standards are.
Maybe when Teddy Roosevelt was the Commissioner.
All NYPD members are required to requalify on their firearms twice a year no matter what their assignment. Rand
Been that way since anyone can remember.
The course changes each time, but always involves firing under various lighting conditions at targets ranging from contact and 6 ft., to more than 50 ft away.
Combat simulation, cover firing and multiple speed reload firing accuracy are also part of the test.
Then, there is the Training
None of it is useless.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock-had-lost-money-been-depressed-sheriff-says/
Quote: TankoMaybe when Teddy Roosevelt was the Commissioner.
All NYPD members are required to requalify on their firearms twice a year no matter what their assignment. Rand
Been that way since anyone can remember.
The course changes each time, but always involves firing under various lighting conditions at targets ranging from contact and 6 ft., to more than 50 ft away.
Combat simulation, cover firing and multiple speed reload firing accuracy are also part of the test.
Then, there is the Training
None of it is useless.
Your two articles contradict each other. I suggest reading things before you post them.
Quote: FleaStiffLosing streak? Gee, anybody here think it was his first losing streak?
Probably not, but it could have been his worst losing streak and finally cutting into a significant part of his net worth. Many people have screwed up their lives due to gambling. This may be one of the first incidents of the person taking a huge number of innocent people with him though.
Innocent people? He had no way of assembling all the people who had wronged him, so he did the next best thing, he took just anyone with him. Dozens of them.
Quote: odiousgambitNews now is that he *was* on a losing streak
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock-had-lost-money-been-depressed-sheriff-says/
Being that any imbecile investigator would probably have asked about losing recently initially after the massacre, combined with all the other nonsense, I find it hard to believe anything they put out at this point.
The casino at Monte Carlo always stuffed several thousand Francs into the pockets of any suicide.
They are not really putting anything out now and the media are suing to get autopsy, 911 tapes and body camera video.
Forbes reports the media is coming up with scoops but I've not seen any.
I'm sure losing didn't help, but I think they're reaching for understanding that wasn't all that pertinent.
http://epmonthly.com/article/not-heroes-wear-capes-one-las-vegas-ed-saved-hundreds-lives-worst-mass-shooting-u-s-history/
First arrivals were by cop car. ALL gurneys and wheelchairs were in the ambulance bay as were a team of "pushers" (janitors, CNAs,). Two cars arrived. Each had two people on the floor, each had two people on the back seat. They were "scoop and run", ie, no field examination or treatment. Of the Eight initial arrivals, I thought four were dead but did not black tag them, instead sending them to Station One (Red Tag area) where if another doctor thought they were dead they would be black tagged.
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Definitely. It shows purposeful, directed action over an extended period of time. I doubt any losing streak was as persistent as he was in his "scouting" activities.Quote: beachbumbabsI think the pattern of reserving high shooter positions above concert venues on performance weekends is much more significant than whether he was winning or losing.
He clearly had made up his mind about a year earlier when he cranked up his firearm acquisitions and included rapid rate of fire equipment. This was not some transient notion or impulse; he dedicated his time and efforts towards this goal.
his hands?
It would be interesting to see if there was a significant decline in his play, which might indicate an overall mental decline.
Quote: billryanIs it possible for a casino to go back and examine his actual play? Not his coin in and out but to actually examine
his hands?
It would be interesting to see if there was a significant decline in his play, which might indicate an overall mental decline.
They can't even show you him getting off the elevator.
Machines do keep logs of hands played. For how long, I don't know.
That is not proven. And since he was planning this for over a year he sure was not broke, plus he could have left the high limit room and drunk some lesser brand of whatever it was that he drank.Quote: djatc. Not surprising he went on a downswing and couldn't recover.
I wonder why?
Quote: MrVNok Tang obviously holds misoynistic views toward filipinas.
I wonder why?
I hoped the posts containing personal attacks and name calling had ceased and are certainly out of character for this forum. Might I suggest you find a Trump hate group to join and perhaps even protest the last election result in the USA? Really mate, you might go after someone who actually cares. And, FYI, my experiences with Filipino's is extensive, historic, and includes males as well as your notion my views are restricted to females with you vicious vial label. Good luck.
Quote: FleaStiffMany men in Vegas and elsewhere have Filipino wives/girlfriends. Few such men wind up even killing one person much less killing scores of them. What clues could she provide?
You will have to ask the authorities that. They indicate they are looking for clues as to motive and as I think I posted, "have gotten nothing from her". She was his "girlfriend" for something like two years but if you read between the lines and know the Filipino mindset you form a different opinion. I've expressed them here and received enough wrath so I'll keep it simpler out of respect of the moderators.
Quote: NokTangbut if you read between the lines and know the Filipino mindset you form a different opinion.
The Filipino mindset....?
Please elaborate upon your claim about the "Filipino mindset."
Quote: MrVNok Tang, the notion that merely being in a relationship with someone from the Philippines is enough to induce someone to commit a mass murder is nonsensical.
Please elaborate upon your claim about the "Filipino mindset."
Having as I repeat, extensive involvement in these relationships matters and spent over 100 nights in said country and worked with professional Filipino's in Thailand, I have come to the conclusion many will agree with. You can be driven crazy (also known as "mad")by them. We never know how someone who has lost his/her way, is in a crazy/mad state of mind, will react. Intercultural relationships are difficult to grasp if you have never been exposed to them. I understand your inability to relate to this situation and my conclusion which the facts as we all know them, can be legitimate and possible. I think President Trump's recent visit to Manila will show you some of it. There our President was with a "President" of another country who has authorized the killing of an estimated 13,000. citizens without any due process. (yes I know he was also with others including China's), called President Obama's mother a "whore". This is the last couple years, not back in some tribal generation. Consider for a moment what would happen if this occurred in the USA? But that is rambling, regrets and apology. Suffice to say regarding the Filipino "mindset" I am simply trying to help you and others understand that items such as not answering questions with what you think, rather, with the answer you think the foreigner is looking for, but not meaning it, just wanting to get to the next meal and continue getting money for your extended family and neighborhood, well you add it up. She could have indeed driven this killer mad. He obviously was mad diba?
i think its the same thing as The Jewish mindset, the Black mindset, the Russian mindset, the Slow Drivers mindset, etc.Quote: ams288The Filipino mindset....?
Quote: NokTangI hoped the posts containing personal attacks and name calling had ceased and are certainly out of character for this forum. Might I suggest you find a Trump hate group to join and perhaps even protest the last election result in the USA? Really mate, you might go after someone who actually cares. And, FYI, my experiences with Filipino's is extensive, historic, and includes males as well as your notion my views are restricted to females with you vicious vial label. Good luck.
Still, your statements are stereotyping an entire nationality, and while it might be fair to make comments like "Vietmanese women tend to be this, that, and the other", it is not right to say that "the women is Filipino and likely drove the shooter nuts" comes from a sweeping generalization from your personal and limited experiences of Filipino women.
The question of "why" you hold those views is fair and deserves an answer and maybe even some statistics to back up your claim. If I made a comment that "South Korean men are short and therefore have small penises and limited intelligence and are unwise with money" it would be met with the same scrutiny, despite the fact (made up or not) that the many Korean men I know have all four traits. If I found a factual chart that showed height, penis size, IQ and dept to income ratios by nationality, I might be on to something, but still, it wouldn't apply to everyone in the whole nation of South Korea.
Get my drift?
Quote: boymimboStill, your statements are stereotyping an entire nationality, and while it might be fair to make comments like "Vietmanese women tend to be this, that, and the other", it is not right to say that "the women is Filipino and likely drove the shooter nuts" comes from a sweeping generalization from your personal and limited experiences of Filipino women.
The question of "why" you hold those views is fair and deserves an answer and maybe even some statistics to back up your claim. If I made a comment that "South Korean men are short and therefore have small penises and limited intelligence and are unwise with money" it would be met with the same scrutiny, despite the fact (made up or not) that the many Korean men I know have all four traits. If I found a factual chart that showed height, penis size, IQ and dept to income ratios by nationality, I might be on to something, but still, it wouldn't apply to everyone in the whole nation of South Korea.
Get my drift?
Yes of course I get your drift. However, I think you under estimate the extent of my experience with them from an Americans perspective, American culture, American family, basically from an American exposed to this unique culture and place called the Philippines and how it's people act outside their country in SEA. We still don't know what happened to the reported 100,000.USD he sent her just prior to the act of mass killing. Has she given the money back? You let us know okay..thanks. One isolated experience was meeting a Filipino girlfriend in Subic Bay. She checked into my hotel before I got there. I arrived in the early evening. She had every light on in the room including opening the refrigerator door so that light would be on. I asked about it, "why?". She said she was afraid of ghost.
Quote: NokTangShe had every light on in the room including opening the refrigerator door so that light would be on. I asked about it, "why?". She said she was afraid of ghost.
If I come back as a ghost I'm going to haunt that girl for wasting electricity.
Quote: TigerWuIf I come back as a ghost I'm going to haunt that girl for wasting electricity.
You have to admit....these type of things could drive an American mad. Mad enough to plan and execute a mass shooting? You and I would hope not. I just think it's possible is all I'm saying. Good night.
I doubt anyone became a murder or a mass-murderer because a refrigerator door was left open to cast light and scare away any ghosts.
If the shooter was unhappy with his girlfriend he would have left her.
He had the wherewithal to "make it on his own," apparently, and he was basically a "loner" as opposed to being a "people person" so far as I can determine.
So, rather than stick around while his mind melts due to her "mindset," he'd likely have cut and run.
Plus giving her $100K sort of weighs against the argument that she'd driven him over the edge.
No, I suspect it is your personal prejudices as opposed to empirical evidence which induces you to make such race-based assertions.
Yes, there are cultural differences which can come to the fore while in a relationship: I'll concede that point, but I cannot agree that a filipina is more likely to make a man go crazy than a woman from any other ethnic background.
Umpteen hordes of American men have married filipinas, either after meeting them while serving overseas or through an online match / dating site, and I never have read or heard anything from them which would support your claim.
Or had some friends invite her to a country music festival.Quote: MrVIf the shooter was unhappy with his girlfriend he would have left her..
Perhaps its like those stockbrokers who threw themselves out of tall buildings during the great crash because they had lost thirty million dollars and only had one million dollars left?
I think we may never learn. There has been no news on the forensic autopsy of his brain.
