Trump's First 100 Days
Quote: terapinedI am liberal
I don't call Trump supporters "idiots, morons, racists, ignorant,"
As to a civil war. We are not even close to one. I have no idea where this is coming from.
Then why are you replying to me? I didn't bring it up.
Hey terapined, what's the betting line on you, me, or both of us getting suspended today? I feel lucky.
Quote: bobbartopHey terapined, what's the betting line on you, me, or both of us getting suspended today? I feel lucky.
Is your "fake fetus pic posting" trigger finger feeling itchy?
And if the stuff about Cummings wanting to meet Trump but fearing the blowback is true, that's sad. We will never get there if people are afraid to even have a dialogue. But then look at how Steve Harvey is still defending himself a month later, you can see the concern on Rep Cummings behalf.
You're both on the insult line, nose to nose at the moment. Take a step back and kill the personal remarks and aspersions. Thank you.
Quote: BozLooks like he had something to offend everyone today. Some GOP reps are upset about what he said about Dreamers today. But I doubt the media will give hm any credit for being open to it.
Perhaps they will give him credit if he sticks to that line - but most likely he was just talking off the cuff about something he hasn't really given much thought to.... and once his handlers drill the talking points into his head, he will sound more like your average Republican politician on that issue.
Happens all the time - last summer after Orlando, his initial sensible reaction was that people on the no-fly list should not be able to buy guns. He said he'd speak to the NRA about changing that.
Big no no. He started toeing the Republican line shortly thereafter when the gun lobby whispered in his ear that that's not the position they want him to have.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-gun-free-zones-guns-allowed-properties/story?id=39266544
http://reverbpress.com/politics/mr-will-eliminate-gun-free-zones-allows-zero-guns-on-his-properties-video/
Quote:My administration is running like a 'fine-tuned machine'
Quote: rxwineTrump says.
My administration is running like a 'fine-tuned machine'
The real problem was that it leaked when the door was left open by a bad man and some bad stuff happened after some bad things were allowed in because of some bad judgement. If this hadn't been shown by the fake media, it wouldn't have happened. Very bad.
But I can fix it. It was a mess when I got it but nobody fixes things better than me.
Did I mention I won the popular vote with 103% of all votes cast everywhere.
Quote: OnceDear
The real problem was that it leaked when the door was left open by a bad man and some bad stuff happened after some bad things were allowed in because of some bad judgement. If this hadn't been shown by the fake media, it wouldn't have happened. Very bad.
But I can fix it. It was a mess when I got it but nobody fixes things better than me.
Did I mention I won the popular vote with 103% of all votes cast everywhere.
Egad, that was bad, hombre.
Está bien, Lo siento amigo, lo sientoQuote: MrVQuote: OnceDear
The real problem was that it leaked when the door was left open by a bad man and some bad stuff happened after some bad things were allowed in because of some bad judgement. If this hadn't been shown by the fake media, it wouldn't have happened. Very bad.
But I can fix it. It was a mess when I got it but nobody fixes things better than me.
Did I mention I won the popular vote with 103% of all votes cast everywhere.
Egad, that was bad, hombre.
https://thinkprogress.org/the-story-behind-donald-trumps-undocumented-polish-workers-243a00a77fd8#.kjiya44tm
Quote: rxwineIf Hillary had some of these issues with her national security team and been praising Putin on top of it in these first couple weeks Republicans would be overwhelmed by all the crosses they need to erect to crucify her properly. Of course if she had her family shilling Clinton properties and products as well that would just be the icing on the cake.
I was given that information; I don’t know. Actually, I’ve seen that information around.
I'm not a big fan of Fox News, but well said, sir, well said. Scroll, click, and watch:
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/journalists-react-president-trump-crazy-press-conference-233852174.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-committee-begins-probe-of-payments-to-flynn-210144266.html
Flynn first acknowledged being paid for the Dec. 2015 event.
“Yeah, I went over there as a speaker, it was a speaking event,” Flynn responded when asked whether he was compensated for the trip. “What difference does that make? I didn’t take any money from Russia, I can tell you that.”
Then who paid you? Flynn was asked.
“My speakers bureau. Ask them.”
http://theweek.com/speedreads/680836/president-trump-told-exactly-what-flynn-russian-ambassador-discussed-fox-news-reports?yptr=yahoo
Quote: IbeatyouracesTrump = Russian spy???
No, I think a more accurate description is what the Russians call a "useful fool" (полезные дураки)
Agreed. Although doesn't that actually translate to "retard" ?Quote: TumblingBonesNo, I think a more accurate description is what the Russians call a "useful fool" (полезные дураки)
Remind us where you are from again?Quote: OnceDear
They all share 10 cars.
Outside. Looking on: Looking in. Not in envy, but in sadness.Quote: AxelWolfRemind us where you are from again?
Quote: AxelWolfThe LVRJ is reporting that there are 170k illegal immigrants here in Las Vegas.
They all share 10 cars.
If they're all rounded up, who's going to slap porn in our faces???
Maybe you could get a trade deal with Europe. European porn is far better than Mexican porn or Muslim porn.Quote: IbeatyouracesIf they're all rounded up, who's going to slap porn in our faces???
In fact, I can't really remember any good Mexican or Muslim porn. Maybe you Americans are keeping it to yourselves. Selfish!
Then again. . . Russian porn is really good. I wonder if that's the kind of trade deal Trumpy's team have been working on for the last year.
Gee I wonder where the "Las" in Las Vegas came from.
Or the "Los" in Los Angeles. Or the "San" in San Antonio.
Quote: JohnnyQAgreed. Although doesn't that actually translate to "retard" ?
According to the Russian expert in my house (i.e., my wife) the closest literal translation would be "stupid people who are beneficial to you" and that 'fool' is closer to meaning than 'retard'. Hence 'useful fools' fits the bill.
I have no clue what the Chinese version of this would be but I'm pretty sure the folks in Beijing are just as happy as those in Moscow to see the US now perceived by our allies as as unreliable partner.
I think you missed the joke. If you go up and down the LV strip there are mostly Mexican immigrants (probably here illegally) lining the sidewalk handing out all the porn advertisements(hot girls direct to you) They are called porn slappers because they make slapping sounds with the pamphlets as you walk by to grab your attention.Quote: OnceDearMaybe you could get a trade deal with Europe. European porn is far better than Mexican porn or Muslim porn.
In fact, I can't really remember any good Mexican or Muslim porn. Maybe you Americans are keeping it to yourselves. Selfish!
Then again. . . Russian porn is really good. I wonder if that's the kind of trade deal Trumpy's team have been working on for the last year.
Just the violent criminals.Quote: lilredroosterWho do you guys who hate immigrants hate more? The Latinos or the Muslims? Or is it a toss up?
Gee I wonder where the "Las" in Las Vegas came from.
Or the "Los" in Los Angeles. Or the "San" in San Antonio.
I dont think I have had much interaction with many Muslims. If i have, I had no idea they were Muslims.
From what I have seen here, its not the Mexicans that are fresh over the boarder or the older generation that are criminals. They seem very hard working and respectful.
It's their children that are very disrespectful with attitudes causing problems. It's their children that get into gangs and engage in violent criminal activities.
Quote: AxelWolfFrom what I have seen here, its not the Mexicans that are fresh over the boarder or the older generation that are criminals. They seem very hard working and respectful.
It's their children that are very disrespectful with attitudes causing problems. It's their children that get into gangs and engage in violent criminal activities.
Do I understand this aspect of your laws correctly... If someone is born in America do they have an intrinsic right to live and stay in America, unlike, maybe, their parents who may have entered the country illegally, or who might simply have never been documented?
If that's so, it would seem absurd to rip away and deport hard working and honest parents to deport them and leave behind their out of control kids to be effectively orphaned.
Is my understanding correct? Is that what's happening now with I.C.E raids?
Note
I'm not making any comment about who to keep out of the country, because I understand that a new immigrant might immediately pop out some troublesome kids.
I'm just wondering how well the deportation idea has been thought out? It really isn't just hardened criminals that Trumpy is keen to deport, but pretty much all of them, since no crime seems to small to qualify.
Quote: OnceDearIf that's so, it would seem absurd to rip away and deport hard working and honest parents to deport them and leave behind their out of control kids to be effectively orphaned.
Many Republicans are real preachy about the importance of family and stability.
Quote: OnceDearDo I understand this aspect of your laws correctly... If someone is born in America do they have an intrinsic right to live and stay in America, unlike, maybe, their parents who may have entered the country illegally, or who might simply have never been documented?
If that's so, it would seem absurd to rip away and deport hard working and honest parents to deport them and leave behind their out of control kids to be effectively orphaned.
Is my understanding correct? Is that what's happening now with I.C.E raids?
Essentially correct. The baby is a citizen (I don't agree with this concept, -- rewarding illegal activity never seems right). If you think that by giving birth on US soil it magically makes you a US citizen you are making a mockery of the LEGAL immigration process. If the parents are to be deported, there is no reason the child, although now an American citizen, cannot ask to immigrate to Mexico, through legal means. If two Americans had a child while both were in Canada, say, I do not think it would be hard to get that child into the US.
Quote: OnceDearDo I understand this aspect of your laws correctly... If someone is born in America do they have an intrinsic right to live and stay in America, unlike, maybe, their parents who may have entered the country illegally, or who might simply have never been documented?
If that's so, it would seem absurd to rip away and deport hard working and honest parents to deport them and leave behind their out of control kids to be effectively orphaned.
Is my understanding correct? Is that what's happening now with I.C.E raids?
If you are born in the USA, you are born a citizen of the USA.
If your parents are deported, you may remain in the US.
If your parents choose to leave the US without you, they are the ones who are leaving you 'effectively orphaned'. Not the US government.
President Obama deported more illegals than Clinton and G.W. Bush combined.
He 'effectively orphaned' more children than Clinton and G.W. Bush combined.
Now that Trump is doing it, it is an issue.
Trump is continuing the deportations with a concentration on removing the violent criminal illegals and keeping terrorists out.
72 Convicted Terrorists from countries covered under Trump vetting order admitted into the US
Why are you so critical?
Your country has a serious housing shortage, and is severely overpopulated with 65 million people living in an area the size of Alabama. (pop. 4.8 million).
Your Muslim population has doubled in the past ten years and one in eight people living in Londonstan is Muslim.
We don't want that here.
Quote: SOOPOOIf you think that by giving birth on US soil it magically makes you a US citizen you are making a mockery of the LEGAL immigration process. .
Well, a passenger on a foreign cruise ship docked at American port can have a baby giving it US citizenship and that's literally just passing through. That can literally be citizenship by accident. (although I think they have to be at an inland hospital, but there's plenty of reasons why the birth might need a better facility than a cruise ship might offer.)
Thanks for confirming that.Quote: TankoIf you are born in the USA, you are born a citizen of the USA.
If your parents are deported, you may remain in the US.
I see what you are saying, but if being orphanned in the US is better than being homeless and cast adrift in another country (Maybe a worn torn Syria), then I guess the parent would indeed leave the child behind. The US has then lost one or two hard working adults and landed itself with one or more angry, out of control children. That just strikes me as a lose-lose situation that defies all logic. Regardless of political orientation or opinion. It's just a dumb choice. It also reeks of fascism, IMHO.Quote:If your parents choose to leave the US without you, they are the ones who are leaving you 'effectively orphaned'. Not the US government.
I'm going to trust your numbers on that. Three wrongs would not make a right.Quote:President Obama deported more illegals than Clinton and G.W. Bush combined.
He 'effectively orphaned' more children than Clinton and G.W. Bush combined.
Now that Trump is doing it, it is an issue.
Trump is continuing the deportations with a concentration on removing the violent criminal illegals and keeping terrorists out.
I'm not talking about vetting or immigration. I'm specifically commenting on Deportation of long standing residents of your country.Quote:72 Convicted Terrorists from countries covered under Trump vetting order admitted into the US
Quote:Why are you so critical?
Your country has a serious housing shortage, and is severely overpopulated with 65 million people living in an area the size of Alabama. (pop. 4.8 million).
Your Muslim population has doubled in the past ten years and one in eight people living in Londonstan is Muslim.
We don't want that here.
Critical because regardless of moral viewpoint, whether left or right politically, this is just a dumb-ass thing to do. I have very strong opinions of Trumpy and his inner circle.
I am so critical, and so vocal because I'm able to be, I chose to be, and I consider it my duty to be.
Serious housing shortage. OK. we have a housing shortage. It's difficult for many young people to buy their first home. But it's not so bad that we have massive homelessness and poverty. The main symptom is that more people live with parents for longer. Woop-di-doo.
We are not massively overpopulated and I've no problem with the ethnic diversity in my country. None whatsoever. We live in relative peace and civil order*. But what do I know? I only lived here half a century.
*http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime
Some of the stats in that page are totally wrong. We have had no capital punishment here since 1965 on the mainland and 1973 in Norther Ireland.
Also our violent crime rate and drug crime rates are far lower than yours when based on comparable definitions.
https://www.quora.com/Does-the-United-Kingdom-have-a-violent-crime-rate-four-times-higher-than-the-United-States
http://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/crime_stats_oecdjan2012.pdf
If not, can be legally immigrate there? I know an American citizen can move to Mexico but can't work there and needs to show he has the means to live there.
Mexico has enough problems of its own without absorbing millions of minor children who may not even be citizens.
Quote: SOOPOO. If you think that by giving birth on US soil it magically makes you a US citizen you are making a mockery of the LEGAL immigration process.
In a way you're correct, but the mockery has been made and continued since the end of the Mexican American War in 1848. For more than 150 years this transgression has been winked at by the powers that be and the undocumented immigrants were often hired by large agricultural Corporations who represent political power and financial muscle. So now, all of a sudden there is an idea to end this mockery all at once. And only the immigrants who violated the policy are going to be punished. Not the American Corporations, not the American small businesses owners, and not the rich American wives who hired them. Imagine you and a group of friends typically met in a public park on Saturdays in the summer and had a barbecue and drank beer. It was technically illegal to drink alcohol in public but you had been doing this for 20 years and nobody cared. And then, all of a sudden the town has a new Prosecutor and one Saturday you and all your friends are arrested and sentenced to 90 days in jail. Would that be fair? Let Trump say that he's going to instruct Federal Prosecutors to charge and jail the Americans who hired these people and you will see a great many people crying and singing a very different song.
Quote: OnceDear
The US has then lost one or two hard working adults and landed itself with one or more angry, out of control children.
I don't think its just a few out of control kids. Its a big, big problem and it needs to be stopped. I noticed the young Mexican teens seem to drop out of school, have lots of kids and live "poor" while receiving welfare. They become experts at gaming the system, many of them seem to gravitate to the gang lifestyle. The cycle keeps going as they keep having more and more kids who follow suit.
Their parents knew the risks when they came here. They knew the risks when they didn't use a condom or some form of birth control. They knew the risks when they didn't go to the clinic.
The chances are if they have been here a while and are hard working adults contributing, they probably stole someones identity in the first place.
IMO they should send them back and crack down much harder on immigration and illegal immigrants.
They also need to crack down on gangs a lot harder than they are now.
Quote: AxelWolf
Their parents knew the risks when they came here. They knew the risks when they didn't use a condom or some form of birth control. They knew the risks when they didn't go to the clinic.
The vast majority of these immigrants that you are referring to are/were Catholic. They follow the strictures of the Pope and the Vatican which include a prohibition against birth control and abortion. Abortions are particularly abhorrent in many countries where the population is largely Catholic. They didn't regard having a baby as a "risk." To them, that is a part of life which fulfills the individuals and cannot be tampered with no matter what soil they are on. Ironically, what you are suggesting, abortion, is a procedure against which Trump and his supporters strongly stand. You favor "cracking down" even if they were hard working and contributing. How do you feel about "cracking down" on APs (I'm not pointing the finger at you) who fudged on their taxes? The fact that you didn't seem to know that their Catholicism prevents them from doing what you suggest, suggests that you don't know very much at all about these people.
Quote: OnceDearAlso our violent crime rate and drug crime rates are far lower than yours when based on comparable definitions.
You can thank your demographics for that.
One more reason for protecting our borders.
Quote: lilredroosterThe vast majority of these immigrants that you are referring to are/were Catholic. They follow the strictures of the Pope and the Vatican which include a prohibition against birth control and abortion. Abortions are particularly abhorrent in many countries where the population is largely Catholic. They didn't regard having a baby as a "risk." To them, that is a part of life which fulfills the individuals and cannot be tampered with no matter what soil they are on. Ironically, what you are suggesting, abortion, is a procedure against which Trump and his supporters strongly stand. You favor "cracking down" even if they were hard working and contributing. How do you feel about "cracking down" on APs (I'm not pointing the finger at you) who fudged on their taxes? The fact that you didn't seem to know that their Catholicism prevents them from doing what you suggest, suggests that you don't know very much at all about these people.
Which part of Catholicism says someone must have kids (even if they are poor and won't be able to bring their child up in a good household)?
I grew up with a lot of Mexicans, both in the US and in Mexico. My memory of Mexico is a little shoddy, but in the US at least, it seemed like many Mexicans were rather poor, frequently 3 generations would be living under the same household, oftentimes in half of a house. It also seemed like there was an inverse relationship between the number of children in a family to income.
lilredrooster, do you or have you lived in an area with a dense population of Mexicans (sorry, Latinos*)?
Quote: RSWhich part of Catholicism says someone must have kids (even if they are poor and won't be able to bring their child up in a good household)?
lilredrooster, do you or have you lived in an area with a dense population of Mexicans (sorry, Latinos*)?
Yes, I live in an area with a dense population of Latinos and have for a great many years. Catholicism does not say people must have children as you indicate. Your definition of a "good household" likely doesn't coincide with their definition of a "good household." And I agree with them, not you, if you are saying that being poor means that your household cannot be good. Generally, impoverished people all over the world, not just in Latin America, do not limit or deny themselves children because they are poor. For them, children represent hope for the future. I agree that they might benefit from considering limiting the number of children they have. But I don't agree that they should have no children at all. For Catholic Latinos who follow the Vatican's strictures re birth control it is not so easy to limit the number of children. Also, pick up any Catholic Bible and it will include the Old Testament which is also highly regarded and to a great degree revered and followed by Catholics and other Christians. In Genesis of the Old Testament God blessed the people, and then said, "Be fruitful and multiply. Fill the earth."
The hoops u hav to go through for public assistance and the amount u receive would translate to something like $1.25 an hour
Last time i tried to get on it required 4 hours five days a week of attendance in a mandatory work program to qualify for $75 2x a month. I made the decision to stay homeless asking for change. It was more lucrative. (I never did beg for change but i kno quite a few who chose begging to public assistance)
Several times (one as rooster pointed out) the bible tells christians to multiply and have many kids. In the "religious" world it's a good thing to have a bunch of kids. Why do you think mormons have 100 kids with 3 different wives?Quote: RSWhich part of Catholicism says someone must have kids (even if they are poor and won't be able to bring their child up in a good household)?...
On the DL/real it's a way for religions to try to out-breed other religions to make theirs the most "popular."
http://www.gopocalypse.org/looks-like-agent-orange-got-the-sweden-incident-from-the-biggest-fake-news-site-on-the-internet/
Quote: terapinedTrump is promoting fake news lol
Really? This is fake?
Quote: EvenBobReally? This is fake?
[Race Hate link redacted]
It's not fake news.
It's not even news.
It is a youtube video created and published by an organisation which ONLY published xenophobic race hate material.
They don't report on current affairs.
They don't report on the financial markets.
They don't report on any aspect of politics, except for the most extreme politics of racial hatred.
It took me ten seconds to identify and research the source organisation. I'm not going to do them the favour of linking to any of their other filthy, fascist material.
NOTE TO MODERATORS. I believe that the the video that EB just linked to constitutes race hate propaganda. I doubt it has any place on any decent forum, even within this least moderated of threads.
Quote: EvenBobReally? This is fake?
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Quote: lilredroosterThe vast majority of these immigrants that you are referring to are/were Catholic. They follow the strictures of the Pope and the Vatican which include a prohibition against birth control and abortion. Abortions are particularly abhorrent in many countries where the population is largely Catholic. They didn't regard having a baby as a "risk." To them, that is a part of life which fulfills the individuals and cannot be tampered with no matter what soil they are on. Ironically, what you are suggesting, abortion, is a procedure against which Trump and his supporters strongly stand. You favor "cracking down" even if they were hard working and contributing. How do you feel about "cracking down" on APs (I'm not pointing the finger at you) who fudged on their taxes? The fact that you didn't seem to know that their Catholicism prevents them from doing what you suggest, suggests that you don't know very much at all about these people.
I dont have to agree with everything Trump and his supporters strongly stand for. Believe it or not, I have my own views, thoughts, ideas and beliefs.
Does their religion teach that they should obey the laws of the land? If so, don't come here illegally. Problem solved.
Quote: OnceDear
NOTE TO MODERATORS. I believe that the the video that EB just linked to constitutes race hate propaganda. I doubt it has any place on any decent forum, even within this least moderated of threads.
What am I missing? I watched it, it appeared to be 60 Minutes on CBS. Wtf are you talking about?
