Will Trump Be Impeached ?
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Quote: RSIf I were to write, "Some people say you can beat roulette with a martingale system" would you REALLY try to say that I'm saying you can beat roulette with a martingale system? If twisting quotes around then pretending to argue in good faith isn't trolling....then I don't know what is.
When Donald Trump says "a lot of people are saying it" or "they say", what he means is, NOBODY BUT him is saying it. It allows him to spread falsehoods, conspiracies, and outright bullsh*t without having to take responsibility for it; or at least, without his supporters holding him accountable for it.
I thought everybody had this figured out by now. Apparently not.
Quote: billryan
Other than the guy with the sword being the trump supporter, you got almost got that right.
That's why a link with a story is a good idea.
https://hoodline.com/2019/04/police-arrest-maga-hat-wearing-suspect-in-lower-haight-sword-attack
Sounds like 2 San Francisco nut jobs. In fly over country dude would have just got shot. I think the MAGA hat wearer might be able to claim that he disarmed the attacker and cut his hand off.😀
Quote: MaxPen
Hey mods, doesn't this violate the new hate speech rule?
Quote: ams288Quote: MaxPen
Hey mods, doesn't this violate the new hate speech rule?
So we are no longer allowed to "hate" an ideology?
The post does not cast any aspersions upon any individual - merely an ideology
Quote: aceofspadesQuote: ams288Quote: MaxPen
Hey mods, doesn't this violate the new hate speech rule?
So we are no longer allowed to "hate" an ideology?
The post does not cast any aspersions upon any individual - merely an ideology
An ideology that many members of the board adhere to.
If I were to say "All righties are mentally ill" (I'm not saying that) you can be sure RS, Boz, Axel etc. would be PMing the mods so quick your head would spin.
Quote: ams288Quote: MaxPen
Hey mods, doesn't this violate the new hate speech rule?
Wow, this from someone who calls a person a "racist thug".
Quote: FleaswatterWow, this from someone who calls a person a "racist thug".
Damn right.
Quote: aceofspades
So we are no longer allowed to "hate" an ideology?
This is nothing new, Rush has been
saying exactly that since the 90's.
He says 'disorder' and not disease.
Heard it a hundred times. And
he's cured a lot of people, so it's
not untreatable..
Why not arrest the factory owners and the people who did the hiring? The workers are here trying to support their families. The owners and supervisors are operating out of greed. Throw a couple of millionaire business owners in jail and the problem will solve itself.
Quote: billryanINS Agents raided a Texas factory and arrested almost 300 workers, most of whom they suspect of being illegals.
Why not arrest the factory owners and the people who did the hiring? The workers are here trying to support their families. The owners and supervisors are operating out of greed. Throw a couple of millionaire business owners in jail and the problem will solve itself.
That’s very nice to hear. All them illegals gettin’ rekt.
Quote: billryanIt's like arresting the drug buyers but leaving the dealers alone. The buyers can be replaced in a heartbeat. Perp walk a few billionaires and see how fast the supply of jobs dries up.
As far as I'm concerned, Trump can also collect border wall money from them in fines.
Quote: rxwineAs far as I'm concerned, Trump can also collect border wall money from them in fines.
And deprive Mejico of the privilege?
Not going to happen.Quote: billryanIt's like arresting the drug buyers but leaving the dealers alone. The buyers can be replaced in a heartbeat. Perp walk a few billionaires and see how fast the supply of jobs dries up.
https://www.provisioneronline.com/2017-top-100-meat-and-poultry-processors
Quote: billryanINS Agents raided a Texas factory and arrested almost 300 workers, most of whom they suspect of being illegals.
Why not arrest the factory owners and the people who did the hiring? The workers are here trying to support their families. The owners and supervisors are operating out of greed. Throw a couple of millionaire business owners in jail and the problem will solve itself.
Totally agree with billy. I would say make some edict that will alert all businesses that owners who employ illegals will effective (insert date here) be prosecuted for aiding and abetting a criminal. Allow the owners to voluntarily report all illegals by (insert date here) to be granted immunity from prosecution.
Especially the PSA.Quote: AxelWolfAnd Michael Obama's urologist report.
Quote: billryanINS Agents raided a Texas factory and arrested almost 300 workers, most of whom they suspect of being illegals.
Why not arrest the factory owners and the people who did the hiring? The workers are here trying to support their families. The owners and supervisors are operating out of greed. Throw a couple of millionaire business owners in jail and the problem will solve itself.
Finally, a billryan post I can support. Got any more?
Quote: MaxPenFinally, a billryan post I can support. Got any more?
I certainly hope not!
Quote: SOOPOOTotally agree with billy. I would say make some edict that will alert all businesses that owners who employ illegals will effective (insert date here) be prosecuted for aiding and abetting a criminal. Allow the owners to voluntarily report all illegals by (insert date here) to be granted immunity from prosecution.
Though the two parties are not the same, they both do things for their own interests that encourage illegal immigration and discourage them from really working on the immigration problem.
Some rich Republicans want the cheap labor. Some Democrats believe that illegals, if somehow they gain citizenship, will be voters for their side.
They aren't the same, but neither of them are truly working for us when it comes right down to it.
Power over principle.
The crickets still sing trying to find the relevant subsection. But who cares?Quote: darkozSection 6103 is also what gives the Democrat who made the request the power to legally view his taxes
Now to the important part, :):) where can I find a forum that discusses online casino craps betting? For example, when a dollar is bet on the DONT, the online folks do not allow the normal $6 odds bet, Instead, they allow only $3 for the 4/10, $4 for the 4/9 and $5 for the 6/8. If $2 is bet, The above can be doubled but still is incorrect.
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Quote: billryanINS Agents raided a Texas factory and arrested almost 300 workers, most of whom they suspect of being illegals.
Why not arrest the factory owners and the people who did the hiring? The workers are here trying to support their families. The owners and supervisors are operating out of greed. Throw a couple of millionaire business owners in jail and the problem will solve itself.
Not a bad idea. Let’s also throw government officials who give them drivers licenses, welfare, and schooling in the can as well. Need that to really solve things.
I don't understand why you don't want them to have driver licenses?Quote: AZDuffmanNot a bad idea. Let’s also throw government officials who give them drivers licenses, welfare, and schooling in the can as well. Need that to really solve things.
I think it's a positive, they'd have to at least read the manual once instead of just driving like they do now. Several bits of info are taken, that would help the law if need be. And hopefully more would care enough about being able to keep their license that they would have insurance?
What's the down side, on driver licenses?
Quote: EvenBobForensic accountants say Trump's tax return is at least 300 pagesQuote: TomGThis sounds like the exact opposite of what a Drained Swamp would do.
long. Would you want that scrutinized by the world if you were president? You'd be nuts to release it.
Because I have nothing to hide, don't want to contribute to government waste, and don't care about you calling me names I would have no problem showing my tax returns to the public. Because Trump has things to hide, wants the government to be wasteful, and is overly sensitive to being called names, he keeps his hidden
Quote: RonCSome rich Republicans want the cheap labor. Some Democrats believe that illegals, if somehow they gain citizenship, will be voters for their side.
There is one Republicans who knows that the more illegal immigrants there are, the better they are able to vilify them for votes. It's why even after being president for years, the border stays open, the rich people giving them jobs go free, and they continue to collect their welfare checks. Build a wall around the welfare state and arrest anyone who hires an illegal immigrant and the entire platform of a certain politician falls apart.
Quote: ams288Quote: aceofspadesQuote: ams288Quote: MaxPen
Hey mods, doesn't this violate the new hate speech rule?
So we are no longer allowed to "hate" an ideology?
The post does not cast any aspersions upon any individual - merely an ideology
An ideology that many members of the board adhere to.
If I were to say "All righties are mentally ill" (I'm not saying that) you can be sure RS, Boz, Axel etc. would be PMing the mods so quick your head would spin.
I can tell you I have NEVER Pm’d A Mod asking for anyone to be suspended. And I allow any Mod who has proof otherwise to post the non existent post.
I have publicly questioned the interpretation of certain rules in threads, including recently your hate post about Nick Sandman. It’s nice to know what the rules “possibly “ are before making a post.
Quote: petroglyphI don't understand why you don't want them to have driver licenses?
I think it's a positive, they'd have to at least read the manual once instead of just driving like they do now. Several bits of info are taken, that would help the law if need be. And hopefully more would care enough about being able to keep their license that they would have insurance?
What's the down side, on driver licenses?
Well, call me crazy, but where I come from it is just stupid to reward someone here illegally with the privilege of a drivers license. Lets not forget, with motor voter it makes voter fraud via illegal aliens easier. Add in that this is a form of ID, so they can take a legit job from an American or someone else here legally easier.
Frankly, I see no upside, unless one favors open borders.
Quote: BozQuote: ams288An ideology that many members of the board adhere to.
If I were to say "All righties are mentally ill" (I'm not saying that) you can be sure RS, Boz, Axel etc. would be PMing the mods so quick your head would spin.
I can tell you I have NEVER Pm’d A Mod asking for anyone to be suspended. And I allow any Mod who has proof otherwise to post the non existent post.
I have publicly questioned the interpretation of certain rules in threads, including recently your hate post about Nick Sandman. It’s nice to know what the rules “possibly “ are before making a post.
Yeah sorry, shouldn’t have included you in there. My bad.
There seems to be an increase in hit and runs in Phoenix. I have to think that at least some of those are unlicensed/ uninsured? It seems easier for them to ghost if there exists no picture of them at all?Quote: AZDuffmanWell, call me crazy, but where I come from it is just stupid to reward someone here illegally with the privilege of a drivers license. Lets not forget, with motor voter it makes voter fraud via illegal aliens easier. Add in that this is a form of ID, so they can take a legit job from an American or someone else here legally easier.
Frankly, I see no upside, unless one favors open borders.
Not trying to further the police state here, but if crimes are committed in another state, any clue to catch the perps is a plus. Maybe victims can thumb through a picture selection to help find bad guys, if there is a selection to be had?
Different ways of looking at it I guess.
Penis Size Assessment?Quote: SanchoPanzaEspecially the PSA.
Amazingly close, but no cigar. You're probably too young to be up on the subject. It stands for prostatic synthetic antigen.Quote: AxelWolfPenis Size Assessment?
Quote: ams288.
Are you suggesting I would complain because you think I'm a righty?
Mine is much better.Quote: SanchoPanzaAmazingly close, but no cigar. You're probably too young to be up on the subject. It stands for prostatic synthetic antigen.
Quote: petroglyphThere seems to be an increase in hit and runs in Phoenix. I have to think that at least some of those are unlicensed/ uninsured? It seems easier for them to ghost if there exists no picture of them at all?
Not trying to further the police state here, but if crimes are committed in another state, any clue to catch the perps is a plus. Maybe victims can thumb through a picture selection to help find bad guys, if there is a selection to be had?
Different ways of looking at it I guess.
Phoenix had the way to get a handle on the problem, but Obama sent the Justice Department after him on trumped up charges and then the people voted him out of office.
Quote: TomGThere is one Republicans who knows that the more illegal immigrants there are, the better they are able to vilify them for votes. It's why even after being president for years, the border stays open, the rich people giving them jobs go free, and they continue to collect their welfare checks. Build a wall around the welfare state and arrest anyone who hires an illegal immigrant and the entire platform of a certain politician falls apart.
Are you trying to say one Republican is responsible for the whole problem?
The problem has been around for a long time.
Say there is a farm that uses illegals to pick their crops. How are the illegals paid? Cash under the table? Checks to people with 1099's?
Can this farmer use the money paid to illegals as an expense?
Quote: SOOPOOMy ignorance is showing, but I have a few questions that will help clarify some things for me.
Say there is a farm that uses illegals to pick their crops. How are the illegals paid? Cash under the table? Checks to people with 1099's?
Can this farmer use the money paid to illegals as an expense?
I don't think any farmers use exclusively illegals. They mix them in with the migrant workers, who are legal. Some illegals have fake papers to help with any intervention. Some just hide a lot.
Yeah, cash under the table. Usually lower wages than the migrants get.
All from 5 years in Wash State where they pick apples, plums, pears. Seasonal - the same crew might pick oranges in Feb, cherries in June, apples in Sept/Oct, moving from Texas to Western WA to Eastern WA with the harvest.
You 'll find more undocumented workers in the cities, than in rural area, from my observations.
Quote: billryanI get the impression that farmers hire "harvesters" to pick their fields. They pay one guy a set amount for so many acres or bushels and then that person actually hires the workers. This insulates the farm corporation from exposure. The " harvesters" subcontractors to independent contractors who get a 1099. The quicker and cheaper the field is done is in everyone interest.
You 'll find more undocumented workers in the cities, than in rural area, from my observations.
I'm sure you're right. The picker crews are subcontractors to the farm business, though most farmers would also have local employees, too. whether the people who run them to the different fields and do payroll and all are their bosses, or the individuals are independent contractors, IDK - I would think both exist.
Quote: billryanI get the impression that farmers hire "harvesters" to pick their fields. They pay one guy a set amount for so many acres or bushels and then that person actually hires the workers. This insulates the farm corporation from exposure. The " harvesters" subcontractors to independent contractors who get a 1099. The quicker and cheaper the field is done is in everyone interest.
You 'll find more undocumented workers in the cities, than in rural area, from my observations.
Then how do we craft a law to punish the people making money by using illegals? Should the farm owner be responsible or just the subcontractor?
I just had work done on my house. I wrote a big check to "Joe's House Repair". Should I in any way be responsible to check if any of the workers Joe hired are not legally here?
Quote: SOOPOOThen how do we craft a law to punish the people making money by using illegals? Should the farm owner be responsible or just the subcontractor?
I just had work done on my house. I wrote a big check to "Joe's House Repair". Should I in any way be responsible to check if any of the workers Joe hired are not legally here?
I think it was AZ who said you should even be locked up and deported possibly
Quote: darkozI think it was AZ who said you should even be locked up and deported possibly
Okay, but that is why we don't have a solution yet. We need real laws and real ideas to solve the problem.
The big, shiny wall won't fix the problem...but neither will ignoring the problem. It is a combination of things that we haven't been able to figure out for years.
This President is only the latest to not get the job done, so far, but it also rests upon a Congress that term after term is seemingly unwilling to force any President's hand.
Quote: RonCOkay, but that is why we don't have a solution yet. We need real laws and real ideas to solve the problem.
The big, shiny wall won't fix the problem...but neither will ignoring the problem. It is a combination of things that we haven't been able to figure out for years.
This President is only the latest to not get the job done, so far, but it also rests upon a Congress that term after term is seemingly unwilling to force any President's hand.
Well lets say you found out it was indeed illegals who worked on your house
Are you happy with the work completed?
Will you now feel different about the work. Do you feel horrible that the wonderful job done on your house may have been performed by illegal immigrants?
Important question here: If true and the cost to do the work was 20% higher if handled by legal personnel would you have been willing to pay the extra cost no questions asked?
The jokes practically write themselves.
Quote: darkozWell lets say you found out it was indeed illegals who worked on your house
Are you happy with the work completed?
Will you now feel different about the work. Do you feel horrible that the wonderful job done on your house may have been performed by illegal immigrants?
Important question here: If true and the cost to do the work was 20% higher if handled by legal personnel would you have been willing to pay the extra cost no questions asked?
IMO, whoever is responsible for hiring people, that person should be responsible if he hires illegals. Obviously if the criminal uses a bunch of fake information and he passes, then that’s a different situation. But if you’re hiring someone under the table and you know he’s illegal, then yeah, there needs to be repurcussions.
If it’s 20% more and within my budget.
And this shouldn’t need to be said (since it’s obvious), but if you figure out the workers are illegals YOU CALL ICE and tell them to meet you at <some icecream shop>. Then you tell the Mexicans they did such a good job, you’re gonna take them all to <some icecream shop>, your treat. Ez
Quote: darkozWell lets say you found out it was indeed illegals who worked on your house
Are you happy with the work completed?
Will you now feel different about the work. Do you feel horrible that the wonderful job done on your house may have been performed by illegal immigrants?
Important question here: If true and the cost to do the work was 20% higher if handled by legal personnel would you have been willing to pay the extra cost no questions asked?
I don't use, or condone the use of, illegal labor.
