Terror attack at Orlando gay club
Quote: rsactuaryHe can just never come back, imo
Well, HeySlick said on DT he hopes BBB will ban him permanently.
So we can only hope...
Quote: EvenBobObama came out and let us know it was the
guns fault, no need for him to even mention
Islamic terrorism. Whew, I was worried there
was an actual shooter, but it's the gun that
that did crime.
THIS FORUM SOOOOO needs a " Like " button !!
Exactly Bob ... everyone acts like the gun is an object that has "feelings" and the ability to reason with it's self . Let's pretend it was the gun that did the damage ... NOT the human behind it ( insert sarcasm font) .
Why does it matter if the gun was procured legally ? Anyone with a third grade education can get a gun illegally and the end result would still be what we have right now .... a BUNCH of dead people .
Why are the folks who already knew ( the father and estranged mother) not the focus here ? They plainly knew he was mentally disturbed !! Therein lies the real issue . Go back and look at all the mass shootings in the last 20 ( ish) years and you will find someone who KNEW the shooter was a nut job and just sat back and did NOTHING . But it's easier to attack the " gun" as the guilty party .... Bleeding liberals , smh
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I honestly don't know who needs an assault rifle or why you should legally be able to buy one.
Why and how the gunman did what he did are not only questions of great curiosity, but they also just might help (even somewhat) in thwarting the almost guaranteed future attacks.Quote: AxelWolfPeople should never talk about the shooters or even mention their names (shooter xxxxx will do) Focus on the victims and their families.
Quote: AxelWolfDon't worry GWAE took over for you yesterday.
I looked on the latest posted list and it looked like this....
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Haha I was going for the whole screen but I ran out of things to reply to.
Quote: GWAEI cant even shoot a freaking deer.
So many personal insults involving alternate names for cats and just say no First Ladies, so little time. Pass.
Quote: RonCIt would have stopped him from buying these two guns "legally" last week. You can infer that the incident may have been stopped by that, but I would bet delayed is a better bet.
Whether banned or not from buying guns, an individual under two separate previous terror investigations who buys 2 guns, should have his name at least pop up on their radar again as soon as he purchased them by some mechanism.
You know, like an autogenerated email -- this dude just bought 2 guns.
Quote: AxelWolf
I honestly don't know who needs an assault rifle...
Me, for one. Alas, I and 99.975% of the population are mostly stuck with regular old rifles that people mistakenly call "assault rifles".
Quote: Axel...or why you should legally be able to buy one.
I can name a few why's, but that's an easy game. Perhaps someone can try to name reasons you shouldn't be able to.
Quote: rxwineWhether banned or not from buying guns, an individual under two separate previous terror investigations who buys 2 guns, should have his name at least pop up on their radar again as soon as he purchased them by some mechanism.
You know, like an autogenerated email -- this dude just bought 2 guns.
As I also mentioned earlier...
Quote: RonCI would be interested in knowing why it seems as if his name was "forgotten" after the investigations. I would have thought that he would have been flagged in some manner if certain things took place, like buying guns.
Some have talked about these investigations being dropped but I still don't see why the name was not flagged. That sounds like a hole in the system which needs to be checked out.
talking about it, that's fine, But I say don't use their names over and over and over again. Don't make people famous/notorious. I bet if we didn't make all the school shooters famous/ notorious we wold have less of them.Quote: SanchoPanzaWhy and how the gunman did what he did are not only questions of great curiosity, but they also just might help (even somewhat) in thwarting the almost guaranteed future attacks.
As I said before, I though for sure 2F hacked your account.Quote: GWAEHaha I was going for the whole screen but I ran out of things to reply to.
Quote: ams288Guns are the current choice because planes and bombs are much harder to get.
Gun control will not stop every shooting, but it would have stopped him from buying these two guns last week. End of story.
no, only legally.
Quote: rxwineWhether banned or not from buying guns, an individual under two separate previous terror investigations who buys 2 guns, should have his name at least pop up on their radar again as soon as he purchased them by some mechanism.
You know, like an autogenerated email -- this dude just bought 2 guns.
Were they 'terror' investigations or assault against his wife and another incident that wasn't associated with a terrorist act? He was looked at years ago for something else I believe. So far everything is just bullshit on the internet and news agencies trying to scoop each other. 'We' won't know the real truth for some time.
Not every foreign sicko committing a heinous crime linked to isis.
Quote: beachbumbabsMalicious slur -personal insult. 7 days.
Can you explain what constitute a "malicious slur" or a "personal insult"?
I just want to be clear so I know where and when to tread lightly on this board.
Not even when they pledge allegiance to ISIS and have a history of endorsing it?Quote: sammydvNot every foreign sicko committing a heinous crime linked to isis.
Quote: mcallister3200Ffs he's not a foreigner, was more of an American citizen than Ted Cruz.
I wasn't concise enough, anyone who looks 'foreign' and in this case he clearly is of middle eastern/Europe descent. His images will be enough for anyone to go off on the terrorist angle.
Wasn't a few of the pilots of 9-11 American citizens in our country almost 10 years?
No one knows this guys story yet. And that was my point.
Quote: sammydvI wasn't concise enough, anyone who looks 'foreign' and in this case he clearly is of middle eastern/Europe descent. His images will be enough for anyone to go off on the terrorist angle.
Wasn't a few of the pilots of 9-11 American citizens in our country almost 10 years?
No one knows this guys story yet. And that was my point.
None of the 9-11 hijackers were American. The first arrived 21 months before the attack.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks
Quote: RSCNN says the guy pledged allegiance to ISIS. I wouldn't consider someone like that to be an American, in the true sense of the word (not this technical "but he was born here" stuff).
Legally, he may have been a citizen of the United States. American? Not a chance. He pledged to an institution intent on destroying OUR way of life...not just one part of it, all of it...he renounced being an American when he did that.
If you don't get my lack of respect for the CongressWOMANNNNN....well, just watch a video or two...
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmLtmnLv4eI1y-r4AtdSgbkvcM0FQH8xT
She is also the brightly dressed lady who gets to the House floor hours early to get on camera with the President...even when it was Bush and she hated him...
What does this have to do with Orlando? Well, I'm not really sure but assault rifles, hostages, battering rams, swat teams, kevlar ... it sure does seem different levels of violence.
Quote: beachbumbabsMalicious slur -personal insult. 7 days.[/q
I've been a member on this site for a long time. I'm on here almost every day but mostly just read the discussions. Lately I feel people are getting suspended for personal insults that at worst I would say are pretty mild. Hey slick was suspended for a week for telling Ams288 to go away. Ams288 told hey slick to go away first but got no suspension. Why the favoritism? And I feel like a third grader writing about my classmates getting suspended for saying go away.
Quote: HeySlickYou're the one who should 'go away' given the current events in Orlando LOL!!
Quote: ck1313Quote: beachbumbabsMalicious slur -personal insult. 7 days.
I've been a member on this site for a long time. I'm on here almost every day but mostly just read the discussions. Lately I feel people are getting suspended for personal insults that at worst I would say are pretty mild. Hey slick was suspended for a week for telling Ams288 to go away. Ams288 told hey slick to go away first but got no suspension. Why the favoritism? And I feel like a third grader writing about my classmates getting suspended for saying go away.
7 days is automatic when you know the full context relative to ams288. Hint: If he would have said, "You're the one who should 'go away'!", and stopped there, no suspension. I'm being a bit vague here, but I dunno it's my business to clearly explain why heyslick clearly should have been suspended knowing the things that BBB and I know. But I guarantee you, there is no favoritism in this case.
Quote: FleaStiffRamadan, a month of daytime fasting and reflection, began recently and in Nice a Moslem man slapped a waitress for serving alcohol on the first morning of Ramadan. Now while it was reported as a slap it knocked her off her feet and dazed her so I assume it was more of a punch. The waitress was Moslem who served alcohol in both Tunisia and France during Ramadan without any previous trouble. So in Nice, strife torn by football fans, there is now a warrant out for the local hooligan already known to the police as an unemployed thug.
What does this have to do with Orlando? Well, I'm not really sure but assault rifles, hostages, battering rams, swat teams, kevlar ... it sure does seem different levels of violence.
Well if we have Muslims slapping waitresses for serving alcohol legally at their job in a "first world country", that's another significant issue. What's sad is it sounds like he wasn't arrested on the spot. But I would hope people would have enough morals to not execute someone over booze served that you think (and the law disagrees with your opinion) should not be served. And I would hope that people that disagree with homosexuality would have enough morals to not execute them as well. Unfortunately for the victims, a dude burning in hell tonight from Florida, did not have the morals for the latter. But I do think if we wouldn't have let him buy an assault rifle, we could have saved dozens of innocent people by him simply not being able to kill nearly as fast.
This is what your Federal Govt recognizes as an official 'religion'.
Your tax dollars support it.
Keep in mind, they don't like gamblers either.
Quote: TankoImam calls killing gays an "Act of Compassion"
This is what your Federal Govt recognizes as an official 'religion'.
Your tax dollars support it.
Keep in mind, they don't like gamblers either.
I totally agree Tanko
I am so sick and tired of the govt spending money propping up Christians
You want a church, pay the property tax on the building,
Christians should pay their own way instead getting a free ride by not paying their fare share in taxes
Quote: terapinedI totally agree Tanko
I am so sick and tired of the govt spending money propping up Christians
You want a church, pay the property tax on the building,
Christians should pay their own way instead getting a free ride by not paying their fare share in taxes
nicely done terapined! This made my day!
I'm not saying he is a bad guy or I don't like him, I just think he likes to skate near the line and push buttons. And now someone pushed the banhammer button.
Quote: terapinedI totally agree Tanko
I am so sick and tired of the govt spending money propping up Christians
You want a church, pay the property tax on the building,
Christians should pay their own way instead getting a free ride by not paying their fare share in taxes
I'm fine with that. I think that there should be very few tax exempt organizations and support for a particular party or candidate by an organization should also make them taxable entities. Non-profit/non-political/non-religious is fine with me.
However, I have a strong dislike for deflecting the issue from the type of people who actually killed people, in this case people that are likely to be gay, to others. A Radical Islamic Terrorist, not a gun or a religion, committed this slaughter.
Isn't that like Republican's main goal? To get her and Obama to say that?
Is the terrorism issue solved now? They always pretend like Obama not saying that is a huge issue.
Quote: ams288Hillary Clinton just used the phrase "radical Islamism" on Morning Joe.
Isn't that like Republican's main goal? To get her and Obama to say that?
Is the terrorism issue solved now? They always pretend like Obama not saying that is a huge issue.
Yes, you nailed it. Right on the money. The problem is solved!
Quote: RonCYes, you nailed it. Right on the money. The problem is solved!
It was sarcasm. Righties are always pretending like not using the phrase "radical Islam" is a big deal.
She used it. Now what?
Quote: ams288It was sarcasm. Righties are always pretending like not using the phrase "radical Islam" is a big deal.
She used it. Now what?
It was sarcasm, too.
I think saying it out loud is important for a leader when talking about "who" we are fighting. We aren't fighting Muslims, we are fighting Radical Islamic Terrorists hiding behind, and perverting, a religion. Saying it clearly tells everyone you recognize the issue.
Just because you may not feel that way does not mean that it is somehow not important overall. It isn't the "most important" but it is important. Now we need to know how she will fight them. The answer should be even harder that we are now.
Quote: RonC. Now we need to know how she will fight them. The answer should be even harder that we are now.
The guy was a US citizen born in the USA
He was crazy
Adam Lanza was crazy
After Newtown, conservatives shrugged their shoulders
How is this different from Newtown or the Colorado theater shootings
We live in a country where crazy people can get their hands on weapons of mass killing
Its going to happen again.
Quote: terapinedThe guy was a US citizen born in the USA
He was crazy
Adam Lanza was crazy
After Newtown, conservatives shrugged their shoulders
How is this different from Newtown or the Colorado theater shootings
We live in a country where crazy people can get their hands on weapons of mass killing
Its going to happen again.
I think it gets old thst people blame religion or their ethnicity. Sure that is the case sometimes, but in others it is just a crazy person going insane.
It truly takes a nut to do something like this, especially when you have a wife and a 3 year old.
Quote: terapined
How is this different from Newtown or the Colorado theater shootings
If you really do not know the answer to this question I feel very sad for you.
Quote: terapinedThe guy was a US citizen born in the USA
He was crazy
Adam Lanza was crazy
After Newtown, conservatives shrugged their shoulders
How is this different from Newtown or the Colorado theater shootings
We live in a country where crazy people can get their hands on weapons of mass killing
Its going to happen again.
I am sorry, but this is just a pile of pablum.
He IS different. His ACTIONS may have been the same as those of others but he is part of an organized effort to kill all of us and/or change our way of life...gay, straight, man, woman...ALL OF US. If you don't get that, which I think you do, I feel sorry for you.
Conservatives did not shrug their shoulders after any massacre; they just didn't support the gun control that you support. There is a huge difference.
I do support keeping crazy people from having guns, just as I support figuring out why, after all of the reports about this particular person being "nuts", he was so easily allowed to but weapons.
Crazy people shouldn't have weapons.
Crazy people following a radical perversion of a religion are even more dangerous.
Adam Lanza, James Holmes and others did not pledge allegiance to ISIS and did not make trips to Saudi Arabia. And they did not pass extra levels of background checks in order to be licensed to carry extra firearms and be employed as security forces, including in federal buildings. And they were not praying for the elimination of homosexuals.Quote: terapinedThe guy was a US citizen born in the USA
He was crazy
Adam Lanza was crazy
After Newtown, conservatives shrugged their shoulders
How is this different from Newtown or the Colorado theater shootings
We live in a country where crazy people can get their hands on weapons of mass killing
Its going to happen again.
Quote: GWAEI think it gets old thst people blame religion or their ethnicity. Sure that is the case sometimes, but in others it is just a crazy person going insane.
It truly takes a nut to do something like this, especially when you have a wife and a 3 year old.
I blame the shooter. He did it. He was following, or part of, a group of Radical Islamic Terrorists that seek to destroy our way of life. They consider this a successful mission and will undertake more of them. The difference between this and the lone wolf freak (which we should also try to stop from having guns) is that it is part of an organized effort. We can't ignore the enemy. The lone wolf only dies once. The enemy has more soldiers that it is willing to send to their deaths to kill us.
Again, no guns for nuts...
Quote: RonC
Crazy people shouldn't have weapons.
Crazy people following a radical perversion of a religion are even more dangerous.
Crazy people shouldn't have guns
I agree
Any religion that is anti gay (evangelicals and radical Muslims) is even more dangerous
Only one of those is throwing people off buildings.Quote: terapinedAny religion that is anti gay (evangelicals and radical Muslims) is even more dangerous
Quote: SanchoPanzaOnly one of those is throwing people off buildings.
The violence against gays in this country is disgusting
They get harassed in this country
They get assaulted in this country
Sometimes they get killed in this country
Due to high incidents of violence against gays in this country, what religion is to be blamed?
Certainly not the tiny population of Muslims in this country
Go on Foxnews website and read all the comments from conservatives regarding their hate for gays
Its disgusting
http://reverbpress.com/politics/battlegrounds/disgusting-racist-homophobic-comments-flood-fox-news-in-wake-of-deadliest-mass-shooting-ever/
You specifically named evangelicals as equal to Muslims in their beliefs and actions vis-a-vis LGBT. Now it is time to specify just which evangelicals are committing violence against LGBT in the U.S.Quote: terapinedThe violence against gays in this country is disgusting
They get harassed in this country
They get assaulted in this country
Sometimes they get killed in this country
Due to high incidents of violence against gays in this country, what religion is to be blamed?
Certainly not the tiny population of Muslims in this country
Go on Foxnews website and read all the comments from conservatives regarding their hate for gays
Its disgusting
http://reverbpress.com/politics/battlegrounds/disgusting-racist-homophobic-comments-flood-fox-news-in-wake-of-deadliest-mass-shooting-ever/
Quote: SanchoPanzaYou specifically named evangelicals as equal to Muslims in their beliefs and actions vis-a-vis LGBT. Now it is time to specify just which evangelicals are committing violence against LGBT in the U.S.
Its not certain evangelicals
Its the whole attitude on the right regarding gay hatred and therefore gays get harassed, assaulted and sometimes killed
Look at the foxnews comments regarding gays
Its disgusting
That's twice.Quote: AxelWolfAs I said before, I though for sure 2F hacked your account.
To quote the Wizard himself, 'I'll be watching you' whilst you 'tread on thin ice' ;-!
Just to stay on topic, I am a gun owner ;-)
I missed the infraction as well. Apparently it wasn't me, I'm still posting. Was something removed from the thread?Quote: whodatCan you explain what constitute a "malicious slur" or a "personal insult"?
I just want to be clear so I know where and when to tread lightly on this board.
Mostly posting to annoy Axel ;-)
Quote: terapined
Haha... man, some of those comments....
"Deport all Muslims!"
The Orlando shooter was born and raised in the U.S. Where would we deport him to?? He's already in his home country.
"Why do gays get to have their own bars?"
Same reason straight people do, I guess? Or blacks? Or Mexicans? Or any other group of people that wants their business to cater to a certain demographic? It's called free-market capitalism. Isn't that something that the far-right supposedly cherishes? Besides, there's nothing stopping straight people from going into gay bars. I've done it before. They're usually a lot of fun.
