MonkeyFest 2015
Quote: pewI'm confused. Are his trip reports bogus too? I thought the one I saw was pretty cool. Is my bubble busted? I'm dissapointed.
Honestly? This is what I think has happened, speaking from his perspective, but not taking sides in what's gone on. I don't think his TR was bogus, nor what he initially told us about himself. He had the potential to be a good member. He got highly offended in the first days after he joined, and never got over it; when he returned a few days after saying he was quitting the forum, he was deliberately provocative, with a taunting tone, but still looking to be a member.
After he returned, he allowed himself to get angrier, and let his buttons get pushed into trying to retaliate by leading on the people he was angry with. He was hoping to meet a couple people off here who had a genuine interest in playing alongside him in Vegas, but the bet spiraled up above his expectation and just-for-fun threshold, whatever that may have been. So he went dark on here as B79 a few days prior to his trip, but returned under a made-up persona to further goad the goads. And another. And still another. May not be done yet.
I think he's probably still at the Tropicana. I haven't tried to contact him.
Quote: 1BBForum Rule 11 is crystal clear, is it not?
And he's been banned for it, has he not? What's your point?
Quote: 1BBForum Rule 11 is crystal clear, is it not?
BBB left enough room for Wizard, the founder and "senior" mod besides the new owners, to review the situation since he had offered a week before banning B79 for welching on a bet.
KA-BOOM.
Wizard reviewed it and the nuke is in full effect.
I see nothing wrong with what BBB did. The rule is crystal clear, she nuked him, but deferred the final call to the Wizard.
Quote: beachbumbabsAnd he's been banned for it, has he not? What's your point?
So glad that you're back, Barbara.
Quote: 1BBSo glad that you're back, Barbara.
She should quote you and make it her sig. Yes, that's the complete unedited quote.
"So glad that you're back, Barbara."
- 1BB
You said that good. I am told that is how my friends feel about my low stakes and sparkling attitude as well. lolQuote: RonCA high stakes player with a hair trigger for criticism turns even those who want to like him against him.
Heir trigger, did you know that is what they called Roy Rodgers horse in Germany?
Quote: TwoFeathersATLSimilar to what I posted on the suspension list discussion, just another accidental skid mark in the forum's underwear.
I can just tell you would be a great craps player, if you aren't already.
I liked how you knew, and told, Ace to breathe.
Quote: beachbumbabsAnd he's been banned for it, has he not? What's your point?
Another member has been suspended for accusing a trolling sockpuppet of, well, trolling. The check for the sockpuppetry could/should have been done at that time, by the mod who issued the suspension. It wasn't...
Quote: rdw4potusAnother member has been suspended for accusing a trolling sockpuppet of, well, trolling. The check for the sockpuppetry could/should have been done at that time, by the mod who issued the suspension. It wasn't...
It isn't always obvious at first posting, or even for some time, that's what's going on. I'm not willing to say more about that. But assuming the Wizard didn't check does not encompass all possibilities, though it's possible he didn't.
There's an issue of chronology here. At the time MaxPen's suspension was issued, it was for a personal insult against a member in good standing. That member was subsequently found to be a sockpuppet and banned. That doesn't negate the fact that the insult was made. The Wizard was not incorrect in his actions at that time even though later events proved the poster was a sockpuppet.
And as to my issuing a caveat (referring to questions above), the Wizard had issued a particular time frame and invitation to B79. B79 subsequently proved to be creating duplicate ID's, which resulted in his banning. However, it's not up to me to rescind the Wizard's invitation to him to provide an explanation, so I left room for that singular event to happen within the time frame the Wizard provided. When the Wizard saw that B79 had created sockpuppets, a blatant violation of the forum rules, he rescinded his invitation. Again, responses correct to the situation at the time they occurred.
Quote: rdw4potusAnother member has been suspended for accusing a trolling sockpuppet of, well, trolling. The check for the sockpuppetry could/should have been done at that time, by the mod who issued the suspension. It wasn't...
I checked every day, and every time a new thread was made. Nothing showed. It is quite easy to get around the tech check, should someone be so inclined.
I checked again today at around noon, it still showed nothing. I then went fishing. I came back, and everything was blown wide open. Only then did my check reveal the match.
This forum is occasionally visited by ne'er-do-wells, those with odd grudges, and the mentally ill. Some of these people become tenured members ;) But in the interest of growing the forum, which I suspect is one of many goals, snap-banning are not and have never been the order of the day. Sometimes that means good folks become the victims of annoyance. I really am sorry about that. But we do try and will keep trying to minimize it as much as possible while still keeping the door as open as we can.
To those who haven't let the trolls ruin their day, good on ya. To those who have offered thanks, you're welcome and I thank you in return. To those that are just pissed about this whole situation, I hear ya, and will remember it going forward.
I wonder what it is about baccarat...
Quote: RonCI think the name used there was joyglen or something like that.
Yes! Thank you RonC! Totally explains my déjà vu comment earlier. 'Twas mildly bugging me that I couldn't figure out who he was and where I had read his gambling stories elsewhere.
Quote: beachbumbabslater events proved the poster was a sockpuppet.
I have it on good authority that this is
a real pic of B79. If you see anybody
like this at the bac tables, alert security.
Quote: 1BBSo glad that you're back, Barbara.
Me too.
ARE YOU SERIOUS ? WOW JUST WOW.Quote: beachbumbabsHonestly? This is what I think has happened, speaking from his perspective, but not taking sides in what's gone on. I don't think his TR was bogus, nor what he initially told us about himself. He had the potential to be a good member. He got highly offended in the first days after he joined, and never got over it; when he returned a few days after saying he was quitting the forum, he was deliberately provocative, with a taunting tone, but still looking to be a member.
After he returned, he allowed himself to get angrier, and let his buttons get pushed into trying to retaliate by leading on the people he was angry with. He was hoping to meet a couple people off here who had a genuine interest in playing alongside him in Vegas, but the bet spiraled up above his expectation and just-for-fun threshold, whatever that may have been. So he went dark on here as B79 a few days prior to his trip, but returned under a made-up persona to further goad the goads. And another. And still another. May not be done yet.
I think he's probably still at the Tropicana. I haven't tried to contact him.
YES... For $%&*sakeQuote: pewI'm confused. Are his trip reports bogus too? I thought the one I saw was pretty cool. Is my bubble busted? I'm dissapointed.
Quote: rainmanThis thread should be called monkey business.
https://youtu.be/xmOUvRlGsW8
Quote: AxelWolfARE YOU SERIOUS ? WOW JUST WOW.
Did he maybe exaggerate some parts of his stories just for narrative or entertainment value? Seems likely. Not much different there from nearly everybody I know. No comment to make on validity from the point he first quit the forum onward, when he obviously had an agenda; but initially, I think he was basically relating true info and experiences. You had a different take. And so you posted quite a few things designed to provoke him in one way or another.
You never met him. Neither did I. But I do have his real name, a couple real email addresses, and real cell number, used all of them, heard from him several times in the past months. I mention that to say what I do know of him vs. what he claimed that was checkable, checked out. His choices in all this would not have been mine, but neither would most people's, so nothing different there, either.
None of that stopped me banning him when it became apparent he was sockpuppeting and spamming the forum, which only happened today (it becoming apparent). So we move on.
So why didn't he show up to Monkeyfest?Quote: beachbumbabsDid he maybe exaggerate some parts of his stories just for narrative or entertainment value? Seems likely. Not much different there from nearly everybody I know. No comment to make on validity from the point he first quit the forum onward, when he obviously had an agenda; but initially, I think he was basically relating true info and experiences. You had a different take. And so you posted quite a few things designed to provoke him in one way or another.
You never met him. Neither did I. But I do have his real name, a couple real email addresses, and real cell number, used all of them, heard from him several times in the past months. I mention that to say what I do know of him vs. what he claimed that was checkable, checked out. His choices in all this would not have been mine, but neither would most people's, so nothing different there, either.
None of that stopped me banning him when it became apparent he was sockpuppeting and spamming the forum, which only happened today (it becoming apparent). So we move on.
Neither AOS/MAXPEN/RS/ Wizard poked fun at him or had anything negative to say. I told him from the beginning I would excuse myself from the Monkeyfest had he had a problem with me attending.
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A phone number/ name and conversation is all meaningless IMO. If he even gave you a real name(he could've use his bosses name) Watch a few episodes of catfish.
Hes a low limit baccarat player with an average paying job I would say he's an average Jane, but hes not normal on many levels (hes probably that crossdresser he was talking so fondly about)
His Boss or parents probably paid for his previous LV trips. Notice the dolphins he purposely sockpuppeted and pointed out the cost, that's his proof? (who does that anyway's?). FYI a host at Tropicana will give just about any gambler a tour of their skyview rooms and property.
Really, We have all over exaggerated that we bet and lose 10's of thousands on baccarat during a single trip? We have all over exaggerated to own a business we didn't. We have all over exaggerated coworkers dying in our arms? We have all over exaggerated we survived a burning casino? We have all welched on a bet?
You're under exaggerating his over exaggerating. An over exaggeration is guy might play $25 a hand and bring 5k but says, I bring 10k to vegas and play $100-$200 a hand at Baccarat. Not I win and lose 50k -100k.
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I seriously believe he is gay and his purpose here was to target and impress AOS with the intentions of setting up a rendezvous with him( AOS was being catfished)
It's odd his trip just happened to coincide with AOS's . Had it just been AOS He probably would've been able to make up an excuse why he didn't have enough to bet the higher limits he was claiming (1k to 3k a hand) He would probably claim he had already lost $50k.
He made that bet thinking no one would take him up on it, or he could get out of it. It was obvious since he wouldn't put up the money he never intended to follow through.
He definitely had an infatuation and crush on AOS. He was probably embarrassed once it was brought to light. He probably realized AOS wouldn't meet up with him alone at this point.
I do believe he's in vegas and he was letting AOS know just in case there's a possibility AOS is interested in joining him at a gay club.
Don't you see this guy has some serious screws loose?
Talk about roofies....
We probably saved AOS from losing 31 in a row, and his ass from a pounding, literally.
Quote: AxelWolf
He definitely had an infatuation and crush on AOS. He was probably embarrassed once it was brought to light. He probably realized AOS wouldn't meet up with him alone at this point.
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He did have a 'thing' for Ace, that's a
fact. It was pretty strange. I accused
him of having a man crush, and he
positively came unglued. And man
crush has nothing to do with being
Gay. Hell, I've had one on Tom Selleck
since the 80's, and it continues with
his role on Bluebloods.
Quote: beachbumbabsIt isn't always obvious at first posting, or even for some time, that's what's going on. I'm not willing to say more about that. But assuming the Wizard didn't check does not encompass all possibilities, though it's possible he didn't.
There's an issue of chronology here. At the time MaxPen's suspension was issued, it was for a personal insult against a member in good standing. That member was subsequently found to be a sockpuppet and banned. That doesn't negate the fact that the insult was made. The Wizard was not incorrect in his actions at that time even though later events proved the poster was a sockpuppet.
And as to my issuing a caveat (referring to questions above), the Wizard had issued a particular time frame and invitation to B79. B79 subsequently proved to be creating duplicate ID's, which resulted in his banning. However, it's not up to me to rescind the Wizard's invitation to him to provide an explanation, so I left room for that singular event to happen within the time frame the Wizard provided. When the Wizard saw that B79 had created sockpuppets, a blatant violation of the forum rules, he rescinded his invitation. Again, responses correct to the situation at the time they occurred.
SeriouslyFunny -- a member in good standing? The only reason why he was still able to post (and wasn't suspended) is because no one suspended him.
Imagine, if I were a bank murderer robber and did bad things to people, cops try arrest me but I break free, I'm on the run eluding the police and FBI and every other CIA thing out there for years and years. I finally get caught, and at my trial I say, "Well, I'm a pretty good person, I've never been to jail/prison, never been convicted, and until just recently, I haven't been arrested."
You got this total idiot making new names on the forum and trolling hard core. One person calls him a troll. Who should be suspended? The idiot troll (Vag79/seriouslyfunny) or the actual member in good standing (ie: MaxPen) ?
I am not sure where B79 falls on the man crush scale -- perhaps somewhere between where Axel places him and EvenBob places him
It all became a little too "single white female" for me
(Especially when the links to attorney videos popped up)
Why so AOS can stand us up once a year? J/KQuote: RSWe should have a MonkeyFest every year at the SLS. Goes well with the dealer's uniforms.
I disagree we should forget about him now that the truth is out and he made a fool of himself.
Quote: FaceTo those who have offered thanks, you're welcome and I thank you in return.
I don't think I have yet. So let me fix that. THANKS to the MODS and the WIZ for working to have a cool website where gaming info and stories can be exchanged among people with similar interests.
stir -- stir -- stir
Quote: RaleighCrapsI am shocked that on one has postulated that AoS missed the SLS MonkeyFest, not because he was retrieving his brother from the airport, but rather because he was secretly meeting B79 for the true MonkeyFest, at a site known only to them............
stir -- stir -- stir
Yeah exactly - waited for my "brother" lol then had raw anal sex with B79 while my "brother" and the monkey looked on
Quote: RSWe should have a MonkeyFest every year at the SLS. Goes well with the dealer's uniforms.
I agree. That is a fun place to hang out. Lots of nice eye candy walking about. That restaurant we ate at, whatever it was called, was outstanding and different.
Quote: WizardI agree. That is a fun place to hang out. Lots of nice eye candy walking about. That restaurant we ate at, whatever it was called, was outstanding and different.
Cleo's.
BTW you don't double down A8v6 if the count is negative. :)
Quote: RSBTW you don't double down A8v6 if the count is negative. :)
Duly noted. Let the record show you do under basic strategy when the dealer hits soft 17.
Quote: aceofspadesYeah exactly - waited for my "brothe" lol then had raw anal sex with B79 while my "brother" and the monkey looked on
Nah, I wasn't getting into any of 'those' specifics. Way too personal, IMHO, regardless of joking or not.
But I could see a case where you and B79 would meet and perhaps play a bit of Bac, away from the scrutiny of the rest of the WoV membership, especially if B79 had backed himself into an untenable and undesirable meeting of other WoV members.
It seemed like you and B79 had plans to meet up at the Bac table, and it would be too bad those plans got dashed, assuming the meet up was something you both were still interested in doing.
And I don't think anyone on here would have any legitimate complaints about that. Based on the way B79 clammed up at the end, it was fairly obvious that B79 had no intentions on making the MonkeyFest meet as was being set up to resolve the bets. But I do believe he was in Vegas this past week.
Quote: RSQuote: beachbumbabs
There's an issue of chronology here. At the time MaxPen's suspension was issued, it was for a personal insult against a member in good standing.
SeriouslyFunny -- a member in good standing? The only reason why he was still able to post (and wasn't suspended) is because no one suspended him.
14. Posting limits: For the first 30 days of membership, the number of threads you may start is equal to the number of days you have been a member plus two, and the maximum number of posts you can make is limited to the number of days you have been a member plus 10. This is to help combat spam. (Added 3/8/2012)
Maybe this is a bad rule. Maybe it should be changed or removed. But it IS a rule, and it WAS violated by the "member in good standing" in this case.
Quote: rdw4potus14. Posting limits: For the first 30 days of membership, the number of threads you may start is equal to the number of days you have been a member plus two, and the maximum number of posts you can make is limited to the number of days you have been a member plus 10. This is to help combat spam. (Added 3/8/2012)
Maybe this is a bad rule. Maybe it should be changed or removed. But it IS a rule, and it WAS violated by the "member in good standing" in this case.
I had to use my own brand of sense for this one.
If you remember, that limit was hands-off. It was part of the programming. Remember how people would come, hit the limit, then make a new account asking what happened? And the mods and members would explain the limit. Some came and were a hit, reached the limit, and had members petition for them to get the limit lifted. I remember this, so I know the limit was automated.
Now it's not automated. Since it is (was) part of the programming, the owners must have had it removed. If the owners had it removed... should I still enforce the rule? Or should I use sense and assume they didn't want it and simply forgot about the written rule?
I chose the latter. And to be honest, I didn't want a three day cool off for an obscure breach. It was clear something was afoot, and the more they posted, the faster I (we) would find something to bounce them for good. Maybe that's a little manipulative. Don't care. It worked this time, and I am pleased =)
Sure the upper post limit was breached, but that is only if you just count the one "handle". If you were to add up all the multi-personalities, he may have been well within range? Might be a few of his Avatar's didn't get to post at all?Quote: rdw4potusQuote: RSQuote: beachbumbabs
There's an issue of chronology here. At the time MaxPen's suspension was issued, it was for a personal insult against a member in good standing.
SeriouslyFunny -- a member in good standing? The only reason why he was still able to post (and wasn't suspended) is because no one suspended him.
14. Posting limits: For the first 30 days of membership, the number of threads you may start is equal to the number of days you have been a member plus two, and the maximum number of posts you can make is limited to the number of days you have been a member plus 10. This is to help combat spam. (Added 3/8/2012)
Maybe this is a bad rule. Maybe it should be changed or removed. But it IS a rule, and it WAS violated by the "member in good standing" in this case.
Quote: petroglyphSure the upper post limit was breached, but that is only if you just count the one "handle". If you were to add up all the multi-personalities, he may have been well within range? Might be a few of his Avatar's didn't get to post at all?
Isn't having multiple accounts at the same time nuke-worthy? Plus, I thought it was obvious (or semi-obvious) that seriouslyfunny was B79 or some other troll.
Quote: RaleighCrapsNah, I wasn't getting into any of 'those' specifics. Way too personal, IMHO, regardless of joking or not.
But I could see a case where you and B79 would meet and perhaps play a bit of Bac, away from the scrutiny of the rest of the WoV membership, especially if B79 had backed himself into an untenable and undesirable meeting of other WoV members.
It seemed like you and B79 had plans to meet up at the Bac table, and it would be too bad those plans got dashed, assuming the meet up was something you both were still interested in doing.
And I don't think anyone on here would have any legitimate complaints about that. Based on the way B79 clammed up at the end, it was fairly obvious that B79 had no intentions on making the MonkeyFest meet as was being set up to resolve the bets. But I do believe he was in Vegas this past week.
Wow so now you cast aspersions on me that I would assist someone in welching on bet by avoiding everyone who bet him???
Quote: rdw4potusQuote: RSQuote: beachbumbabs
There's an issue of chronology here. At the time MaxPen's suspension was issued, it was for a personal insult against a member in good standing.
SeriouslyFunny -- a member in good standing? The only reason why he was still able to post (and wasn't suspended) is because no one suspended him.
14. Posting limits: For the first 30 days of membership, the number of threads you may start is equal to the number of days you have been a member plus two, and the maximum number of posts you can make is limited to the number of days you have been a member plus 10. This is to help combat spam. (Added 3/8/2012)
Maybe this is a bad rule. Maybe it should be changed or removed. But it IS a rule, and it WAS violated by the "member in good standing" in this case.
At first I was incredulous that rule 14 was being violated and no mod was taking action. But then I revised my thinking.
No one would really care if someone exceeded the number of posts this rule designated if the posts are meaningful, informative or the result of a good back-and-forth. But in cases like SF a violation of the rule can be instituted because his posts were the opposite. If management feels similarly then the rule could easily be modified to say that it will be enforced at the discretion of management when posts are disruptive, combative or negative.
Quote: RaleighCrapsNah, I wasn't getting into any of 'those' specifics. Way too personal, IMHO, regardless of joking or not.
But I could see a case where you and B79 would meet and perhaps play a bit of Bac, away from the scrutiny of the rest of the WoV membership, especially if B79 had backed himself into an untenable and undesirable meeting of other WoV members.
It seemed like you and B79 had plans to meet up at the Bac table, and it would be too bad those plans got dashed, assuming the meet up was something you both were still interested in doing.
And I don't think anyone on here would have any legitimate complaints about that. Based on the way B79 clammed up at the end, it was fairly obvious that B79 had no intentions on making the MonkeyFest meet as was being set up to resolve the bets. But I do believe he was in Vegas this past week.
It seems very unlikely that AoS would be so duplicitous as to meet up with someone who would not honor his wagers and offended many WoV members. Why do you entertain such a negative opinion of AoS?
I think it's an on or off thing. Either it's on or off. It seemed to be off at the time.Quote: GreasyjohnQuote: rdw4potusQuote: RSQuote: beachbumbabs
There's an issue of chronology here. At the time MaxPen's suspension was issued, it was for a personal insult against a member in good standing.
SeriouslyFunny -- a member in good standing? The only reason why he was still able to post (and wasn't suspended) is because no one suspended him.
14. Posting limits: For the first 30 days of membership, the number of threads you may start is equal to the number of days you have been a member plus two, and the maximum number of posts you can make is limited to the number of days you have been a member plus 10. This is to help combat spam. (Added 3/8/2012)
Maybe this is a bad rule. Maybe it should be changed or removed. But it IS a rule, and it WAS violated by the "member in good standing" in this case.
At first I was incredulous that rule 14 was being violated and no mod was taking action. But then I revised my thinking.
No one would really care if someone exceeded the number of posts this rule designated if the posts are meaningful, informative or the result of a good back-and-forth. But in cases like SF a violation of the rule can be instituted because his posts were the opposite. If management feels similarly then the rule could easily be modified to say that it will be enforced at the discretion of management when posts are disruptive, combative or negative.
Agian I think "someone" requested it be turned on for themselves at some point.
Is it now on or off?
Potentially they could ask a new member to refrain from posting or else . That would require a mod to now do extra work.
It was my attempt at humor, either satire or sarcasm, not sure which. I am low on caffeine so far this am but I think it had all the elements of a joke, including punch line, and delivery? lol It must have been funnier in my head than it came out in type.Quote: RSIsn't having multiple accounts at the same time nuke-worthy? Plus, I thought it was obvious (or semi-obvious) that seriouslyfunny was B79 or some other troll.
Quote: GreasyjohnIt seems very unlikely that AoS would be so duplicitous as to meet up with someone who would not honor his wagers and offended many WoV members. Why do you entertain such a negative opinion of AoS?
Speed count.
Of course...I am kidding!!
I don't have a negative opinion of him and I see no reason anyone would with the exception of the lawyer thing...
Quote: aceofspadesWow so now you cast aspersions on me that I would assist someone in welching on bet by avoiding everyone who bet him???
Kinda harsh on you, for sure. Just cos' yer joshed along with him, doesn't make you his best pal or confident.
I can't imagine anyone not liking AOS.Quote: RonCSpeed count.
Of course...I am kidding!!
I don't have a negative opinion of him and I see no reason anyone would with the exception of the lawyer thing...
I haven't ever had a bad experience with a layer so I don't understand that.
I may poke fun at him(see speed count and the number 30) but its done with a smile.
