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January 29th, 2015 at 8:48:00 PM permalink
When I posted photos from the WoV 2015 Winter Event, I closed the post with the comment:
Quote: Doc

It was another fun WoV gathering. So when is the next one going to be?


We have had WoV gatherings in Las Vegas during the spring the past four years straight, with the main events being held June 15, 2011; May 12, 2012; May 25, 2013; and April 26, 2014. The first three were called by some variant of "WoVCon", with the name being updated last year to "WoV 2014 Spring Fling."

So, on the assumption that people would like to do something similar this spring, when do we want to convene and who would be willing to take the lead on organizing this?

The reason I am asking this (likely) several months in advance is that at least some of us like/need to make travel plans in advance. I know that in the past Nareed has said she needs to schedule leave time early, and I want to be sure I don't commit to a different trip at the time others want to get together (it can be expensive to cancel a cruise vacation). Others may have similar reasons to want to do a little advanced planning. Perhaps given enough time, some of our international members could make it to Las Vegas -- what would it take to get Croupier and his lovely wife to join us again?

I know it has been less than three weeks since the 2015 Winter Event, but is there enough interest in another Spring Fling that we can at least start discussing the dates that are of interest to folks?
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January 29th, 2015 at 9:54:05 PM permalink
I'm flexible at this point and agree with deciding on a date soon.
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January 29th, 2015 at 10:57:20 PM permalink
Just a curious question and you will detect a note of paranoia. I have seen some of the pictures posted from these events or gathering and some of the members hide their faces, so they obviously share some of my concerns.

So my question is: Wizard or anyone that attends these events regularly, have you ever noticed anyone lurking about, looking like they just want to get a glimpse of some of you? I mean you do usually announce the meeting places.
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January 30th, 2015 at 3:09:19 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

a note of paranoia



nah! LOL

I have it too, out of sheer privacy concerns. I really have no reason to care anymore ... and am not an AP ... yet it sticks with me. I noted nobody seemed to want their picture taken at WoV East II

btw their seems to be no drumbeat for another WoV East. But I'm in* if anybody else is. Should be a new thread, ye who would get it
started.

*with the usual disclaimer of ' if no conflict'
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January 30th, 2015 at 4:53:51 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Just a curious question and you will detect a note of paranoia. I have seen some of the pictures posted from these events or gathering and some of the members hide their faces, so they obviously share some of my concerns.

So my question is: Wizard or anyone that attends these events regularly, have you ever noticed anyone lurking about, looking like they just want to get a glimpse of some of you? I mean you do usually announce the meeting places.

I swear a member (possibly Keyser, not sure exactly who or what) said he was lurking/hidding, watching or whatever and he didn't tell anyone he was there during a Nugent challenge. I really found that creepy, ceedy and sneaky.

I don't post my picture publicly mainly because I don't like someone knowing what I look like without knowing who they are and what they look like.

Perhaps I might be talking about something sensitive with a friend or something at a bar, meanwhile kewlj is sitting right next to me and I don't even know it.

Example I startled Nareed at Cromwell While she was sitting at a machine I only knew it was her because of her photo on here.

I'm not so concerned Casino employees or darksiders are showing up to get a glimpse of WOV members when they have guys like Ivey and Don Johnson around. Also inside dealer and management cheating and stealing money. It would seriously be a wast of time for anyone to do so. If someone does and it causes me a problem. Ill just take that as a challenge and send in 5 more people they don't know, and they will lose 5x as much. I would also use social media and other ways religiously to give the casino a horrible reputation.

I'm not going to allow my picture posted to thousands just in case there's a small chance someone from a casino might recognize me.
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January 30th, 2015 at 6:39:35 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Wizard or anyone that attends these events regularly, have you ever noticed anyone lurking about, looking like they just want to get a glimpse of some of you?


I have often gotten the feeling that there are folks lurking about in casinos. Not that I think anyone cares about me or anyone I'm with, just that there are a lot of kooks lurking around casinos. I have never noticed anyone paying particular attention to a WoV crowd, but I'm not there caring about who is paying attention to WoV members.

Actually, a couple of times I have had the feeling that the people working in the place who noticed the group the most really would have liked for us either to be drinking a lot more or to be a less rowdy group -- one direction or the other. Of course, when I am there, I'm just looking to enjoy myself and am not hiding from anyone.
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January 30th, 2015 at 7:09:10 AM permalink
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really would have liked for us either to be drinking a lot more or to be a less rowdy group



at cross-purposes there I think LOL
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January 30th, 2015 at 7:40:32 AM permalink
Yeah, sober and rowdy is a lose-lose for the casinos.

I could make any weekend after about mid-April work, especially with notice. I'll probably try to combine this with a borderline-idiotic driving trip, so I may be in the area (loosely defined) for a while around whatever date we set.
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January 30th, 2015 at 8:13:36 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

at cross-purposes there I think LOL

Quote: rdw4potus

Yeah, sober and rowdy is a lose-lose for the casinos.


I was suggesting (a bit facetiously) that they wanted us either to buy more drinks (we were in restaurants, not on the casino floor) or to be less rowdy and annoying to the employees. One direction or the other (not both) would be to the employees' benefit.


So rdw4potus can make any weekend after mid-April work. I have a preference for a date prior to the end of May -- I find June weather in Las Vegas to be a bit too hot for me. However, I can be flexible on dates.

Constraints or preferences for others?
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January 30th, 2015 at 8:49:26 AM permalink
I would love to come to one of these, but I am waiting to book for next trip to see if the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight happens May 2. If that fight happens, Vegas will be packed that weekend. If it doesnt happen and it needs to be determined soon on their end, I wil be booking April and I am open to any dates. Knowing there is a get together planned would help me choose the dates so I could attend.
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January 30th, 2015 at 9:09:00 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I swear a member (possibly Keyser, not sure exactly who or what) said he was lurking/hidding, watching or whatever and he didn't tell anyone he was there during a Nugent challenge. I really found that creepy, ceedy and sneaky.


Yes, someone definitely claimed that, but I also don't remember who. Someone with more time/board searching skill than I have might be able to find the poster in question.

As to the matter at hand (spring meet up), unfortunately I won't be able to attend. It's kind of a bummer because I booked my next Vegas trip literally 2 days before Doc started this conversation...regardless, I got the best deal on tickets I have personally ever gotten, so I'm pretty happy. Flight prices go up pretty steadily into March/April/May, and I'm doing everything I can to make this a "budget" trip (including limiting my -EV gambling). So, anyway, I'll catch all y'all in 2016 hopefully :).
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January 30th, 2015 at 9:42:09 AM permalink
The Wiz's 50th birthday is in May maybe that would be a good date to plan it around. We could all cheer him on for his 50 mile unicycle ride since it now appears it is likely to take place in Vegas.
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January 31st, 2015 at 12:58:43 PM permalink
The Wizard's birthday seems like a reasonable date around which to begin discussions, but I have no idea whether he has conflicting plans for that specific day. Two years ago, we had a birthday celebration for him at WoVCon III, but that was two days after his birthday; this year his birthday will be on a Saturday. I think we need feedback from him personally before we make plans for his special day.

On a related topic, to what extent do people have constraints or feel strong sentiment for the gathering to be on the weekend? Some people might be in town just for the weekend, and some locals may have conflicts on weekdays; however, I think I recall the Wizard saying he likes to go to the strip on Thursdays (could be mistaken on that).

In 2011, we met at Main Street Station on a Wednesday afternoon, with a late lunch followed by poker at Binion's and a few of us getting together for dinner. While my wife and I met up with some of the the group on other days, there were no other organized WoV events for that first WoVCon. The following year, the main event was on Saturday, but there were auxiliary events involving multiple members on both Friday and Sunday. In 2013, there was again a preliminary event on Friday with the main activity on Saturday. In 2014, the main event was also on Saturday but with different sub-groups gathering for activities from Thursday through Sunday, at least. For the 2015 Winter Event, we met on Sunday.

I'd like to hear more about people's constraints and preferences, both with regard to time frame and day of the week. Also, still looking for the volunteer who has the leadership abilities and interest to make this happen -- someone not quite so dull as I am.
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February 4th, 2015 at 1:50:23 PM permalink
Finally I'm ahead of the curve enough to attend one of these bigger meetups! I'm in, just need to know the date. My only opinion would be to actually request a week/weekend where Vegas might not be as packed for conventions/etc. This way we shouldn't have any issues getting a big group together and doing whatever we want (large group for food, taking over a couple craps/bj tables, etc). Plus, anyone whom is a rewards member such as myself and would be flying in/staying in a hotel will have much better odds of getting the entire stay comped/finding lower rates on an "off" week/weekend.

I agree we should get the Wizard's input before planning his birthday for him =p. On my dad's 50th we through a surprise party for him and had a ton of people show up at our local community center. It might be best to do it a week before/after his birthday, unless he drops the hint "hey we're thinking about having a meetup the weekend of my birthday, I sure hope nothing else is going on!" lol

Even so, you 'should' be able to count me in, baring any random huge event that pops up after the date has been set in stone.
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February 4th, 2015 at 2:20:55 PM permalink
I would prefer to not do it on my actual birthday because this one will be my 50th and I'm planning a private party to also celebrate my daughter's high school graduation. How about one week before?
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February 4th, 2015 at 2:57:13 PM permalink
I interpret that as a nomination of Saturday, May 16th for the main event, with peripherals perhaps from Thursday through Monday. That would work for me. If there is a bunch of concurrence on that, then we mostly need a leader to plan and organize the details.
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February 5th, 2015 at 7:44:06 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

I interpret that as a nomination of Saturday, May 16th for the main event, with peripherals perhaps from Thursday through Monday.


This sounds pretty good to me. I will most definitely be organizing a meetup at some point (almost launched one last year), but with a lot planned in the next couple months I fear I may not be able to give it the full attention/thought/detail it deserves.

I'm willing to try to assist anyone willing to lead though (keep track of attendees, call places for reservations, etc, etc)...
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February 5th, 2015 at 7:52:41 AM permalink
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I interpret that as a nomination of Saturday, May 16th for the main event, with peripherals perhaps from Thursday through Monday.



I third that.
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February 5th, 2015 at 8:30:21 AM permalink
Does anyone have a good source for info on what going on in Las Vegas during particular periods -- conventions and such -- that could lead to crowding in the casinos and restaurants and high room prices, such as Romes mentioned a few posts back? A quick check of the Caesar's web site indicates room rates the weekend of 5/15-16 that are 20-35% higher than the weekend before that. Advertised room rates are usually the simplest advanced indication I have of crowds in Las Vegas.
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February 5th, 2015 at 8:43:33 AM permalink
Tentatively count me in for a 5-16 (or thereabouts) meet up.
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February 5th, 2015 at 8:56:22 AM permalink
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...Advertised room rates are usually the simplest advanced indication I have of crowds in Las Vegas.


A quick look at my offer calendar shows the week of the 11th (just before the 16th) and the week of the 25th seem to be my best 'offers' / comps. I mention because as you stated, this is primarily driven off of their busy/slow weeks. So I'm hoping this is a good indicator of their weeks.

i.e. I'm showing the week prior to Saturday the 16th is a lower rate week.
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February 5th, 2015 at 9:00:13 AM permalink
I'll be there in May.
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February 5th, 2015 at 10:15:02 AM permalink
There was speculation of a Mayweather/Paciao fight in May. I wonder if that is holding the rates up.
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February 5th, 2015 at 12:42:52 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

Does anyone have a good source for info on what going on in Las Vegas during particular periods -- conventions and such -- that could lead to...



The LCVA (Las Vegas Convention and Visitor Authority) convention calendar, which can be easily sorted by date range & venue & number of attendees expected:

http://www.vegasmeansbusiness.com/planning-tools/convention-calendar/

But, that is only the convention & trade show bookings and will not include such things as major sports & entertainment events. Generally I find the threshold for noticeably affecting Las Vegas rates (beyond a host hotel venue) is a convention of > 40,000+ attendees.
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February 5th, 2015 at 12:46:21 PM permalink
If time is an illusion does that mean the WoV Spring Fling is already happening?
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February 5th, 2015 at 2:47:25 PM permalink
Are you there yet, and have you joined any other WoV members? Are you enjoying the illusion?

No, I don't think the spring fling is happening quite yet. Right now I'm still working on my plans for a WoV gathering initiated by RaleighCraps for Harrah's in Cherokee, NC later this month.
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February 10th, 2015 at 8:24:07 AM permalink
I guess we can wait a bit longer, but I'll be honest my curiosity/planning has kicked in a bit. Was the week of May 11th (with Saturday, May 16th being the 'main event') the preliminary elected dates?
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February 10th, 2015 at 9:05:09 AM permalink
That's where it stands now. I haven't booked flights or a room, but I don't think I've heard votes against that "plan."
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February 12th, 2015 at 8:07:32 PM permalink
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That's where it stands now. I haven't booked flights or a room, but I don't think I've heard votes against that "plan."



I'm planning on a spring trip, and would like to coordinate it with WoVCon once again.

May 16th works beautifully: Neil Diamond is playing at MB the next night.

Can we pin down a date, please?
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February 12th, 2015 at 8:22:48 PM permalink
FWIW, a music festival is scheduled during the proposed dates (May 2015):
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February 13th, 2015 at 5:28:11 AM permalink
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Can we pin down a date, please?


Consider these factors:
1. The Wizard liked the idea of setting a date early but, because of a conflict on 5/23, suggested a week earlier.

2. That date seems to work well for rdw4potus, Romes, MidwestAP, bigfoot66, and MrV.

3. My wife and I are seriously considering a cruise that would conflict with our being in Las Vegas in late April or early May -- final decision likely by this evening.

4. No one (I think) has indicated that they can/would attend on a different date but can't on 5/16.

These lead me to feel that making a commitment for the 2015 Spring Fling to be on 5/16 (and surrounding days) is a good and appropriate idea. We still need an organizer, though. If my wife and I do go on this cruise, we will be out of the country during those last few weeks when the details will need to be worked out, so it should be someone else taking the lead.
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February 13th, 2015 at 6:33:44 AM permalink
Well, that weekend is most likely out for me now. I have a work related activity in Nashville that will require me to miss this event if it falls on the 16th.
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February 15th, 2015 at 4:13:29 PM permalink
I reserved at MGM through my host for that weekend, but need to pin the date down with certainty before buying my tickets from Southwest.

So, May 16th for WoVCon, or what?
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February 16th, 2015 at 11:09:44 AM permalink
Even though I started this thread, I'm not sure at all that I should be the one making a "final" decision on when we should gather. As pre-saged in my last post in this thread, my wife and I have now committed to a cruise that will keep us away from home and out of the country from the wee hours of April 19th until the wee hours of May 4th. The very earliest we could be in Las Vegas would be for the weekend of May 9th, and that would really be pushing it.

I hate to trip up MidwestAP, who joined us for WoVCon ]I[ two years ago, but I think that May 16 is looking like the best date for most people who have indicated that they would try to attend. I haven't yet made plane or room reservations, since my travel thinking currently is more focused on the WoV gathering this weekend in Cherokee, NC and on the April cruise.

My wife and I also had tentative plans for a driving trip some time in March to Florida, Mississippi, and Louisiana, where I would add to my chip collection, but we've mostly decided to put that little excursion off until a later date, probably this summer, perhaps as a lead-in to the Kentucky Music Weekend at the end of July. Several times, including last year, we have done that bit of driving to chase down new chips for a while before going to hear the music.

Could we possible get people to post, or re-post, whether they think they could/would join an "official" gathering in Las Vegas on May 16, with other less-official events during that general period? It would be nice to have an early indication of likely attendance.

Repeating myself over again once more for another time: We still need someone to take charge and organize this event. As noted, I will be out of the country for 2+ weeks just before this, so I think things would go much better if someone else took charge. Any locals up for the responsibility? Anyone from Mexico going to attend and want to give it a shot again?
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February 16th, 2015 at 7:59:53 PM permalink
The 16th works for me, with ancillary events on either side.

Edit: I could also make the 9th or 30th work.
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February 17th, 2015 at 6:33:04 AM permalink
Assuming the 16th is the main weekend, the days before or just after should work fine for me. What all is involved in "taking the lead?" I imagine I would be able to keep a list of everyone planning to attend, call a few restaurants to make reservations (or whatever else we decide to do), etc...
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February 17th, 2015 at 6:47:04 AM permalink
No matter what date is proposed somebody will say, "I'd love to go, but have something else going on that day." That is what I'm saying about 5/23.

When I organized a previous gathering, I found it helped me pull the trigger on an exact date to put up a poll.
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February 17th, 2015 at 9:12:52 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

No matter what date is proposed somebody will say, "I'd love to go, but have something else going on that day." That is what I'm saying about 5/23.

When I organized a previous gathering, I found it helped me pull the trigger on an exact date to put up a poll.


Agreed on both accounts. Is there a way to add a pole to this thread? Or would you suggest starting another "date deciding" thread? =p
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February 17th, 2015 at 9:21:34 AM permalink
Don't think we can add one now in this thread. I'll start a new one for a poll, but I think I'll try to keep you on the hook to handle the local arrangements.

;-)
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February 17th, 2015 at 10:40:09 AM permalink
How much organizing does this thing really need? Decide on a place to eat for the "official" event and potentially make reservations there. The decision part can get testy, but since no one is volunteering, that person can just say "this is where we're eating, if you don't like it you should have volunteered to organize." One decision and one phone call. I can't make it this year or else I would volunteer. Sorry. But I will point out that the 777 Brewpub seems to have worked splendidly on many past occasions.

Ancillary gambling events are great, and typically happen organically between the members who will be in town.

But really, y'all should just make an executive decision that it's May 16th. Any other day would be foolish at this point (sorry, MidwestAP).
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February 18th, 2015 at 8:35:34 PM permalink
I guess this is what I get from having this site blocked at work and working such long hours I'm too tired to look at it in the evening (but not too tired to run on sentences).

Long story short, May 16th fits in perfectly with my plans.

This would be a good time to set up the pre-Fling date for May 15th. I suggest lunch at the 777 Brew Pub at MSS, so we can still catch a $5 craps table afterwards.
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February 19th, 2015 at 3:37:42 AM permalink
Girl, I thought you'd vanished!

If you haven't already, cast that vote in the 2015 Spring Fling poll thread.
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February 21st, 2015 at 5:37:11 AM permalink
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I still am ;)

Quote:

If you haven't already, cast that vote in the 2015 Spring Fling poll thread.



I've done that. Thanks for the tip.

Now I have to bump this up frequently. I hope you all like small factoids on Ancient Egypt.
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February 21st, 2015 at 7:17:06 AM permalink
I'd like to nominate myself to officially take charge of setting the date, time, and place. All those in favor? Opposed?
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February 21st, 2015 at 7:50:09 AM permalink
What? Someone with organizational skills volunteering to take over? Sounds like a math nerd to me.    ;-)

Have at it, Wiz. The poll results (with rather few votes) are leaning dramatically toward your originally-suggested date. If you have just a little experience herding cats, you can probably get us all to show up at the same place at roughly the same time.
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February 23rd, 2015 at 9:10:03 AM permalink
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I'd like to nominate myself to officially take charge of setting the date, time, and place. All those in favor? Opposed?


Motion carries... I believe =p.
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February 23rd, 2015 at 10:25:21 AM permalink
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Motion carries... I believe =p.



Not only that but we have officially set the details:

When: May 16, 2015 6:00 PM
Place: 777 Brew House, Main Street Station

Be there or be square.
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Harv29
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February 23rd, 2015 at 11:29:04 AM permalink
Sad I'll miss this, I won't be getting into town until June 3. . .
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February 23rd, 2015 at 11:36:19 AM permalink
Quote: Harv29

Sad I'll miss this, I won't be getting into town until June 3. . .

Likewise. May 26 for me.
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February 24th, 2015 at 6:30:02 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Not only that but we have officially set the details:

When: May 16, 2015 6:00 PM
Place: 777 Brew House, Main Street Station



Isn't 6 pm a little late for lunch? ;)

I still hope I can make it. I thought I easily would, but there's some conflict with someone else's vacation dates. I might move my arrival a week earlier, which would be fine. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
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