Why is Baccarat so popular?!
the only choice you have is picking player or banker.
everything else is done based on a set of rules. you have no other options/inputs.
it's like playing coin flip. the only option is calling heads or tails.
so why the hell is it sooooooooo popular?
For all the reasons you just said. It's the same reason little kids play war or slap jack.Quote: 100xOddsit seems mindless.
the only choice you have is picking player or banker.
everything else is done based on a set of rules. you have no other options/inputs.
it's like playing coin flip. the only option is calling heads or tails.
so why the hell is it sooooooooo popular?
or why kids start out with checkers and not chess. Some kids advance to chess some never get it.
BJ is to complicated, to many rules. The more "advanced players" Once they start playing Bac they find ways to make it more complicated and get obsessed trying to solve an impossible puzzle using betting systems.
I'm fairly certain most Gr8 notorious baccarat system players know deep down they are fooling themselves.
Quote: Wulfgar1224I don't think it is very popular at all at least in Vegas. I suppose overseas it is a different story especially in Asia. But, every time I go to Vegas, the mini Bac tables are normally empty. I don't think I've ever seen a full mini bac table in Vegas. Although, I don't go into the high limit rooms where the players are allowed to touch the cards on a full table. It might be different in there.
at my casino, the bac tables where u can touch the cards are located in front of the entrance of the high limit room.
each table seats like 10 and normally one table is full while others are waiting for a seat. (they don't like playing at empty tables.)
people are betting hundreds.
but even the low limit bac tables (5 seats?) where people cant touch the cards gets a lot of players.
and yes, the VAST majority of players are Asians.
Quote: 100xOddsit seems mindless.
the only choice you have is picking player or banker.
everything else is done based on a set of rules. you have no other options/inputs.
it's like playing coin flip. the only option is calling heads or tails.
so why the hell is it sooooooooo popular?
I've heard it said that gamblers play Baccarat when they don't feel like gambling.
The fact that you can't make a strategy mistake has a couple of things going for it:
1. The low house edge is always in effect no matter how you play. You cannot technically play badly.
2. Quick to learn - "pick one, Player or Banker"
3. Low hands that draw out give a bit of excitement for a "photo finish"
4. An excuse to look at trends and trust in them, like Roulette.
Most Big local casinos (Boulder, Sunset, etc.) has at least one Bacc table that's open during prime hours.
It is mindless.
>>>>it's like playing coin flip. the only option is calling heads or tails.
With a slot machine the only option is Red Button or Not.
>>>>so why the hell is it sooooooooo popular?
'cause there are a whole lotta peopple with math skills line mine who would prefer to be playing BlackJack but prefer not to be seen counting on our fingers in public.
have over 800 bac tables, of which 400
are usually open and 200 are being played.
For some superstitious reason those 200
tables not being played are very important
to the players. If you close 100 of them,
only 150 would be active, and 150 vacant.
The first person to discover the secret to fairly winning baccarat shall henceforth become known as the scourge of the earth by atheists and existentialists alike... and all other serious gamblers.
Quote: AsswhoopermcdaddyI have a coworker that swears by her success at Baccarat making over 4k at Atlantis using a martingale progression on the banker.
Martingale works. Until it doesn't.
I enjoy Baccarat. It might stem from it being a less active game, but the only thrill I can usually get out of it is by increasing my bet. I'm a very disciplined gambler, I'll sit at BJ/PGP betting the same unit for hours, but in baccarat something takes over my betting actions and I start betting blacks. I stay away from baccarat now, maybe I'll buy in for like $200 occasionally, but I've lost $500 too fast, too many times.
Quote: rudeboyoiIve never bothered to learn the drawing rules when it came to baccarat. I wonder if ive ever lost a matchplay/freebet to a dealer mistake.
You almost certainly have.
Dealers make errors regularly on every game. It is a rare session indeed for me to play and not spot at least one dealer error.
Sounds logical to me.Quote: PaigowdanI've heard it said that gamblers play Baccarat when they don't feel like gambling.
The fact that you can't make a strategy mistake has a couple of things going for it:
1. The low house edge is always in effect no matter how you play. You cannot technically play badly.
2. Quick to learn - "pick one, Player or Banker"
3. Low hands that draw out give a bit of excitement for a "photo finish"
4. An excuse to look at trends and trust in them, like Roulette.
Most Big local casinos (Boulder, Sunset, etc.) has at least one Bacc table that's open during prime hours.
I say that about every system.Quote: ahiromuMartingale works. Until it doesn't.
Explain what that means to you personally? I'm not picking on you I'm just curious how different people interpret that.Quote: ahiromuI'm a very disciplined gambler.
Its been a red flag For me to hear that when I talk with someone. It's as if they learned a hard lesson. Is something I really haven't had to worry about .Not that I haven't played or done anything stupid. My first experiment with online poker cost me. I was determined to learn the hard way.
I will occasionally play -EV games. I've tossed in my fair share of 20's in fun looking slots or played a 5 spot keno at the par to get drinks. or sat with friends.
System players oftentimes say that discipline is the key to winning .
It can mean various things.
IE:
some AP's are disciplined and never play anything that's not an advantage. They never over play their BR. They always adhere to perfect strategies.
(Anally disiplineP
Someone that never "goes off" AKA on tilt.
Someone who doesn't care about EV but never loses more than they can afford.
Quote: 100xOddsthe only option is calling heads or tails.
so why the hell is it sooooooooo popular?
... or edge. Edge doesn't hit nearly as often as heads or tails, but it pays a lot better when it does.
Baccarat is popular because Faro and Trente et Quarante aren't generally offered.
Even in a Locals Casino, Baccarat used to be available only in the late afternoon and Evening and would have shills in Evening Dress as well as Dealers in upscale clothing and a chandelier off in some special-appearing alcove. That snobish appeal may help also.
When every other dealer wears a western string tie but a baccarat dealer actually wears a real necktie... its supposed to make some of difference. That shill at the end of the table who is half in and half out of her dress gets the crowd started. Its some sort of upselling by trivial decorations.
Quote: AxelWolfExplain what that means to you personally? I'm not picking on you I'm just curious how different people interpret that.
I interpret it in that I tend to not get carried away. I meant it here in terms of bankroll management. I have no issues flat betting (BJ & PGP), maybe doubling my bet 5-10% of the time... this compares to when I play baccarat, I'll go from betting $10 one hand to $50 the next. I lack the control necessary to play baccarat, even though I tend to be pretty good in that regard with other games.
Not trying to toot my own horn, I make many mistakes, just trying to paint a picture of why I tend to not play baccarat a whole lot. There's something about the game that brings out the worst in me.
Quote: mickeycrimmI think about the stupidest I could ever look would be sitting at a baccarat table with a pencil and a piece of paper writing down the cards as they come out.
How about just writing down the result, not even the cards themselves? That'd be even dumber.....
I believe some of the appeal is the predetermined nature of the shoe... the deck is set, now if you can just 'read' its traits from the hands played. Course its nonsense, but many people seem to try, whole website forums devoted to bet selection methods and reading the entrails of a shoe.
Quote: thecesspitHow about just writing down the result, not even the cards themselves? That'd be even dumber.....
I believe some of the appeal is the predetermined nature of the shoe... the deck is set, now if you can just 'read' its traits from the hands played. Course its nonsense, but many people seem to try, whole website forums devoted to bet selection methods and reading the entrails of a shoe.
Yeah, I call it voodoo gambling. Their going to stick a pin in it.
Quote: mickeycrimmI think about the stupidest I could ever look would be sitting at a baccarat table with a pencil and a piece of paper writing down the cards as they come out.
And, they get as mad at you for not solving the game. The "elite" can't live with subject matter which randomizes their lots in life.
You must be way up their in your other lives, mc. Just say'n.
Quote: KerkebetAnd, they get as mad at you for not solving the game. The "elite" can't live with subject matter which randomizes their lots in life.
You must be way up their in your other lives, mc. Just say'n.
I don't get what you are saying here, especially the last sentence.
Quote: KerkebetBaccarat is the great equalizer, it being the ultimate random game. (No possibility of DI, VB or other hocus-pocus.)
The first person to discover the secret to fairly winning baccarat shall henceforth become known as the scourge of the earth by atheists and existentialists alike... and all other serious gamblers.
wouldn't that be Phil Ivey?
Quote: darthxaoswouldn't that be Phil Ivey?
You got me there!
Luck is huge in the Chinnese culture.
My Chinnese mom was a strong believer in luck.
If you come to the table as a high roller, all the other players strongly believe you are a very lucky person.
Other chinnese players will wait for the high roller (lucky person) to decide and then they will make the same bet.
Its a game where if you believe in luck, then you bet the same as the luckiest player at the table which is generally the high roller.
Its all about luck and who the players at the table think is lucky and follow and make the same bet but of course at a lesser amount as those who they view is lucky.
If I were to get carried away, it would be on blackjack when the count was positive, but not baccarat.Quote: ahiromuI interpret it in that I tend to not get carried away. I meant it here in terms of bankroll management. I have no issues flat betting (BJ & PGP), maybe doubling my bet 5-10% of the time... this compares to when I play baccarat, I'll go from betting $10 one hand to $50 the next. I lack the control necessary to play baccarat, even though I tend to be pretty good in that regard with other games.
Not trying to toot my own horn, I make many mistakes, just trying to paint a picture of why I tend to not play baccarat a whole lot. There's something about the game that brings out the worst in me.
I might have some fun with a $100 9/6 if I were to go off
I have doubled 10/7 $1 DB small pays up to 6 7 or 8 in a row all day long pretty fun when you're winning .
I've doubled .25 and .50 Royals.
doubled $1 Aces with a kicker 2 times in a row.
I've let .25 10 coin BJ machines ride up to crazy amounts. With splits and double downs and keep letting it ride up to over 4k coins.
Even doubled some $25 VP denominations.
Pushing all in, 5-10 NL cash game, with a stone cold bluff is the most nerve racking thing, because everybody is watching and oftentimes they take their time. UGG! if they Snap call.
an equal chance to win on every hand. If you
make the right choice, you'll win. That can't
be said of BJ, for instance. In BJ, you are ruled
by the shuffled shoe, you have no control over
the outcome, even if you count cards. In bac,
you can at least have the illusion of control.
That's why it's popular.
No they are just superstitious.Quote: SonuvabishDid I read this thread wrong, or is everyone saying--in a round about sort of way--that Asians are mindless?
But if your not asian and baccarat is your game.....
Quote: SonuvabishDid I read this thread wrong, or is everyone saying--in a round about sort of way--that Asians are mindless? .
Most gambling Asians are very superstitous with a strong belief in Luck.
BUT
Gambling Asians are a small minority compared to the general population of Asians.
I am Asian, born in Asia, I gamble but I believe in ODDS not luck.
Source: myself and I am Asian.
Quote: djatc
Source: myself and I am Asian.
I thought Japan was separate from Asia.
Quote: EvenBobI thought Japan was separate from Asia.
We are God tier Asians. The people who brought you hentai, tentacle porn, anime, schoolgirl uniforms, and sushi.
Also ww2 but nobody really cares about that
Quote: djatcWe are God tier Asians. The people who brought you hentai, tentacle porn, anime, schoolgirl uniforms, and sushi.
Burusera vending machines didn't make the cut? Nor Pachinko?
Never heard of this. I often learn things here that enrich my life. Other times, not so much.Quote: djatctentacle porn
Quote: djatcWe are God tier Asians.
Hmm, I had a Korean roommate in College, he did not not feel that way about the Japanese :)
Quote: DieterBurusera vending machines didn't make the cut? Nor Pachinko?
I was going for the universal appeal factor with the things I said. I had the used panty vending machine in mind but figured its a Japan only thing......
Quote: djatcI had the used panty vending machine in mind but figured its a Japan only thing......
Much to the disappointment of many people I know, the vending machines do not seem to have been exported. Yet. Yet.
I assure you raking in 'tax free' money is far from mindless or boring, nor based solely on which side do I bet next, or examining\following\looking for patterns in a game of non-correlated independent trials. Ability to predict a winning hand, no chance in hell, measurable math advantage, nil, yet requires skill, go figure. Yes definitely need paper but would always use a pen.
Before you snigger and mock, consider the following analogy. 256 individually numbered balls are placed in a bag. You pick a ball, take a note of it's number and return it to the bag. Repeat the process a further 7 times. How often within 8 attempts will you choose the same ball more than once? Not even a disaster if you do, just a blip ;-)
and now I know why.
I started it!?!
Last post was 3yrs ago.
Holy necro Batman!
Quote: CyrusVBaccarat is a wonderful game, offering the lowest edge in a casino unless you play BJ perfectly every hand or are counting. When you are able to achieve 30+ consecutive winning sessions inside 6 weeks, turning $2k into over $40k during the process. I can confirm it is more than just a simple guessing game dependant on luck. Luck can be applied to an individual hand, winning 9-8 perhaps.
I assure you raking in 'tax free' money is far from mindless or boring, nor based solely on which side do I bet next, or examining\following\looking for patterns in a game of non-correlated independent trials. Ability to predict a winning hand, no chance in hell, measurable math advantage, nil, yet requires skill, go figure. Yes definitely need paper but would always use a pen.
Before you snigger and mock, consider the following analogy. 256 individually numbered balls are placed in a bag. You pick a ball, take a note of it's number and return it to the bag. Repeat the process a further 7 times. How often within 8 attempts will you choose the same ball more than once? Not even a disaster if you do, just a blip ;-)
This post is nonsense. You can confirm it is more than a simple guessing game? Well then confirm it.
Hi Cyrus,Quote: CyrusVBaccarat is a wonderful game, offering the lowest edge in a casino unless you play BJ perfectly every hand or are counting. When you are able to achieve 30+ consecutive winning sessions inside 6 weeks, turning $2k into over $40k during the process. I can confirm it is more than just a simple guessing game dependant on luck. Luck can be applied to an individual hand, winning 9-8 perhaps.
I assure you raking in 'tax free' money is far from mindless or boring, nor based solely on which side do I bet next, or examining\following\looking for patterns in a game of non-correlated independent trials. Ability to predict a winning hand, no chance in hell, measurable math advantage, nil, yet requires skill, go figure. Yes definitely need paper but would always use a pen.
Before you snigger and mock, consider the following analogy. 256 individually numbered balls are placed in a bag. You pick a ball, take a note of it's number and return it to the bag. Repeat the process a further 7 times. How often within 8 attempts will you choose the same ball more than once? Not even a disaster if you do, just a blip ;-)
You make some pretty bold assertions, so let me near the head of the queue of sniggerers and mockers ( But, of course I'm only sniggering and mocking the nonsense that you wrote and it's nothing personal )
I accept that it is a fast game with modest edge, requiring zero effort. To make the winnings tax-free might take some thought and effort in the mixed up US of A, but not an issue for me.Quote: CyrusVBaccarat is a wonderful game, offering the lowest edge in a casino unless you play BJ perfectly every hand or are counting.
30+ consecutive winning sessions is a breeze with this game or blackjack, or even roulette. I did it with Blackjack just for shits and giggles, turning £100 into £1,100. Whoopdee doo. 34 consecutive winning sessions with real cash. Dead easy: Quite meaningless. And what's six weeks got to do with anything.Quote:When you are able to achieve 30+ consecutive winning sessions inside 6 weeks, turning $2k into over $40k during the process.
Turning $2k into $40k is not really impressive.Probability of achieving that is about 1 in 20. 1 in 20 is frequent enough I turned 100 into 6,000 in one day, but it didn't mean anything beyond a normal lucky streak..
Explain and prove that nonsense, please.Quote:I can confirm it is more than just a simple guessing game dependant on luck.
What has that got to do with anything?Quote:Before you snigger and mock, consider the following analogy. 256 individually numbered balls are placed in a bag. You pick a ball, take a note of it's number and return it to the bag. Repeat the process a further 7 times. How often within 8 attempts will you choose the same ball more than once? Not even a disaster if you do, just a blip ;-)
Quote: CyrusVBefore you snigger and mock, consider the following analogy. 256 individually numbered balls are placed in a bag. You pick a ball, take a note of it's number and return it to the bag. Repeat the process a further 7 times. How often within 8 attempts will you choose the same ball more than once? Not even a disaster if you do, just a blip ;-)
The probability of the same number coming up 8 times in a row is exactly the same as any other combination.
Don’t forget about Craps.Quote: CyrusVBaccarat is a wonderful game, offering the lowest edge in a casino unless you play BJ perfectly every hand or are counting.
At 3-4-5 passline odds the combined edge is 0.37%. And like baccarat no skill or knowledge required. Also I’ve read there are some video poker games in that range or better but VP is not my thing.
Your posts are entertaining. Believers are funny...they make me snicker.
