ANY LAWYERS HERE RIGHT NOW--NEED SMALL CLAIMS COURT ADVICE AGAINST CASINO
Involves confiscated money--sixteen hundred bucks--not money won. It was my own money!
if youre in vegas, i have heard good things about Bob Nersesian (702) 385-5454
Well there better have been some beating, detaining or personal freedom violations going on.if it's just for 1600 I wouldn't call Bob. This sounds like the last guy who was using someone elses free play and they confiscated the entire amount tickets. Who knows? Best thing is to post the basics on here I have a feeling he will get just as good as advice. But i don't like where its headed for him.Quote: sodawaterso what happened?
if youre in vegas, i have heard good things about Bob Nersesian (702) 385-5454
Quote: AxelWolfWell there better have been some beating, detaining or personal freedom violations going on.if it's just for 1600 I wouldn't call Bob. This sounds like the last guy who was using someone elses free play and they confiscated the entire amount tickets. Who knows? Best thing is to post the basics on here I have a feeling he will get just as good as advice. But i don't like where its headed for him.
well if its already confiscated, and its only 1600...then I dont see a lawyer taking the case. So it would be in your best interest to talk it out here.
or just file a small claims court case for a few bucks and take your chances.
So basically I am banned from a local casino. I am banned because of LEGAL AP play. Not because of anything illegal.
I didn't feel like travelling out my way so I went in disguise. My disguise is excellent. I even shook hands at one point with the security guy who banned me.
I finished gambling and after so many cash-in cash-outs(slots) I had about sixteen hundred in ones, fives and twenties.
Didn't want to carry so many bills so I went to a slot machine and put them all in, then cashed out. Had more than one voucher but it all added up to sixteen hundred.
Went to the cash machine and it said see cashier. I figured there was a barcode error from that slot cause all the vouchers said that.
The cashier scanned them and said I didn't play any spins.
I replied no. Just wanted to consolidate all my small bills.
She replied these have been flagged as money laundering. She could cash them if I presented ID.
I replied its still my money. I offered to go and play some spins but she said it was too late, they were scanned.
She said by law they have to make a report of possible money laundering to the Feds.
I have never been arrested or in trouble with the law and certainly am no money launderer so I really don't care if they look at my name BUT
I was in disguise. My ID don't look like me and I'm banned from the casino. So I said I have no ID and she told me to come back and that only I(in my disguise) could cash them as the vouchers were now flagged and recorded.
SO I am hoping I can get the money through small claims court as I can't prove who I am in disguise nor can I go back as myself nor can I send someone else in.
Even if I was trespassing, it still is my money and we aren't talking a few dollars here.
Any positive help from you guys is appreciated.
But can't cash them.
First clarify the "banned".... did you sign anything? Were you merely verbally "tresspassed"... check with your local state law regarding penalites and statutes of limitations.
Second, see that the various tapes get kept.
You can prove several hours in the casino at various games prior to the so-called money laundering.
And ... GET A LAWYER.
If you go to small claims you get ONE SHOT, for money damages ONLY and its usually not even a judge but a lawyer who thinks he is Solomon.
They may try to say Okay, its not seized for money laundering its seized as unlawful winnings during trespass, but that is not necessarily what the law allows.
Indian casino? What state law applies to trespass?
GET A LAWYER.
Let us know what jurisdiction this is though. Sounds like Atlantic City.
Quote: IbeatyouracesWhy not just take the bills to the cage in the first place instead of the machine?
Cause I really wasn't thinking of money laundering. I have no involvement in that stuff and I just felt I was consolidating a lot of small bills. I just didn't see this as an issue since I put money in from my pockets into the machine.
Quote: FleaStiffYou will probably LOSE in Small Claims court.
And ... GET A LAWYER.
If you go to small claims you get ONE SHOT, for money damages ONLY and its usually not even a judge but a lawyer who thinks he is Solomon.
They may try to say Okay, its not seized for money laundering its seized as unlawful winnings during trespass, but that is not necessarily what the law allows.
Indian casino? What state law applies to trespass?
GET A LAWYER.
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Its not unlawful winnings. I didn't win anything. I put my own money into the machine. You can't claim unlawful winnings just because someone was cashing out from a casino.
I also don't think a lawyer would take what is a small claims issue.
Quote: darkozYeah its def small claims. I just wanted advice without being beat up by the trolls. I guess I'll go ahead.
So basically I am banned from a local casino. I am banned because of LEGAL AP play. Not because of anything illegal.
I didn't feel like travelling out my way so I went in disguise. My disguise is excellent. I even shook hands at one point with the security guy who banned me.
I finished gambling and after so many cash-in cash-outs(slots) I had about sixteen hundred in ones, fives and twenties.
Didn't want to carry so many bills so I went to a slot machine and put them all in, then cashed out. Had more than one voucher but it all added up to sixteen hundred.
Went to the cash machine and it said see cashier. I figured there was a barcode error from that slot cause all the vouchers said that.
The cashier scanned them and said I didn't play any spins.
I replied no. Just wanted to consolidate all my small bills.
She replied these have been flagged as money laundering. She could cash them if I presented ID.
I replied its still my money. I offered to go and play some spins but she said it was too late, they were scanned.
She said by law they have to make a report of possible money laundering to the Feds.
I have never been arrested or in trouble with the law and certainly am no money launderer so I really don't care if they look at my name BUT
I was in disguise. My ID don't look like me and I'm banned from the casino. So I said I have no ID and she told me to come back and that only I(in my disguise) could cash them as the vouchers were now flagged and recorded.
SO I am hoping I can get the money through small claims court as I can't prove who I am in disguise nor can I go back as myself nor can I send someone else in.
Even if I was trespassing, it still is my money and we aren't talking a few dollars here.
Any positive help from you guys is appreciated.
My one and only backroom experience is related to a similar situation. I went to the casino ATM, didn't realize that it was going to pay me $x,xxx in $10s, fed the bills into two machines, cashed out, visited the cashier, and got escorted to the backroom. In my case, there was video of me using an empty hand to take the bills from the ATM, not reaching into my pocket, and placing the ATM funds directly into the machines. So my money was returned.
I'm not sure what to think about your case. You went, gambled, and wound up with $1,600. Is that more or less than you started with? If more, you'll have issues because you are not allowed to gamble in this establishment and some of that money is then NOT yours. Really, you may have that same issue if your handle exceeds your session bankroll. You chose to put money into the machines, and you may not be entitled to any winnings on a gross basis.
Is a court case an option for you? You're on the east coast, there's no reservation or tribal court system involved, is there? If you can file in small claims court, you should do so. There's very little chance that the casino will actually send a representative to oppose you, and a judgement in your favor is likely. It'll still be a PITA to get the money (among other things, your judgement does NOT remove the federal reporting requirements), but it can't hurt things.
I realize you don't want to hear this now, but your most basic lesson is the same as mine was. It's worth a min bet to save the BS. Make one spin.
New York
Quote: darkozThe vouchers says it is a cash instrument and not a winning ticket or voucher.
Really? I've never seen one that said anything other than "cash voucher." Maybe the NY lotto's rules are unique.
FIND OUT.Quote: darkozI also don't think a lawyer would take what is a small claims issue.
Small claims courts can't subpoena the casino's tapes.
Was it an AC casino? They shouldn't be able to ban you if it was. (Never mind, I see you already said before I posted)Quote: darkozYeah its def small claims. I just wanted advice without being beat up by the trolls. I guess I'll go ahead.
So basically I am banned from a local casino. I am banned because of LEGAL AP play. Not because of anything illegal.
I didn't feel like travelling out my way so I went in disguise. My disguise is excellent. I even shook hands at one point with the security guy who banned me.
I finished gambling and after so many cash-in cash-outs(slots) I had about sixteen hundred in ones, fives and twenties.
Didn't want to carry so many bills so I went to a slot machine and put them all in, then cashed out. Had more than one voucher but it all added up to sixteen hundred.
Went to the cash machine and it said see cashier. I figured there was a barcode error from that slot cause all the vouchers said that.
The cashier scanned them and said I didn't play any spins.
I replied no. Just wanted to consolidate all my small bills.
She replied these have been flagged as money laundering. She could cash them if I presented ID.
I replied its still my money. I offered to go and play some spins but she said it was too late, they were scanned.
She said by law they have to make a report of possible money laundering to the Feds.
I have never been arrested or in trouble with the law and certainly am no money launderer so I really don't care if they look at my name BUT
I was in disguise. My ID don't look like me and I'm banned from the casino. So I said I have no ID and she told me to come back and that only I(in my disguise) could cash them as the vouchers were now flagged and recorded.
SO I am hoping I can get the money through small claims court as I can't prove who I am in disguise nor can I go back as myself nor can I send someone else in.
Even if I was trespassing, it still is my money and we aren't talking a few dollars here.
Any positive help from you guys is appreciated.
When the cashier confronted you, and your response was, "well its still my money" this was after she made claims of money you laundering. That sound like you admitted it. She was within her rights if this was the case. You should have just said, no of course not.
And how is this money laundering anyways? Its called WASHING, casino employees need to learn this, seriously. (I was accused of the same dam thing years ago simply because i was winning at a very small casino everyday and they freaked out. My first 86ing from a casino, because they are idiots) If they are going to stand by their Money laundering reasons for messing with you. I would use that in small claims court, if after they explain that's why they denied payment. simply submit a definition of money laundering ** to legitimize money obtained from certain crimes, such as extortion, insider trading, prostitution, drug trafficking, illegal gambling or tax evasion is "dirty". It needs to be cleaned to appear to have derived from non-criminal activities so that banks and other financial institutions will deal with it without suspicion.
Not sure why you have to disguise yourself for 1600. Normally that's a big money operation. If you are making big money doing what your doing 1600 is not worth the fight better to let sleeping dogs lie.
In NYS if you win over six hundred bucks AND it is not true winnings, that will have the words JACKPOT VOUCHER instead of CASH VOUCHER. You must take the jackpot vouchers to the cage where they will cash it out for you without identification.
If you win over six hundred bucks and it is a true win, then it will state LIMITED VOUCHER. You must show ID to cash these.
A JACKPOT VOUCHER would be for example, you bet seven hundred bucks on Banker in Baccarat and there was tie. You would get a JACKPOT VOUCHER even though you won nothing, you were just handed back your own money and now you have to go to a cashier. But no ID is required as you didn't have a true win.
Quote: FleaStiffFIND OUT.
Small claims courts can't subpoena the casino's tapes.
I don't think the tapes are necessary.
There is no argument the money was placed in the machine and that it is clearly not winnings.
In fact, that's the root of the problem. If I had taken a few spins and won twenty or thirty bucks, the vouchers would have been converted to cash.
Its because I DIDN'T SPIN (and clearly didn't win anything since I didn't spin) that they are accusing me of money laundering.
Quote: darkozI don't think the tapes are necessary.
There is no argument the money was placed in the machine and that it is clearly not winnings.
In fact, that's the root of the problem. If I had taken a few spins and won twenty or thirty bucks, the vouchers would have been converted to cash.
Its because I DIDN'T SPIN (and clearly didn't win anything since I didn't spin) that they are accusing me of money laundering.
That's not really true, though. The cash was in your possession because you'd played on other machines prior to the instant at which you fed the small bills into a machine to get a ticket and cash it for bigger bills. That makes it very very murky about whether the money was winnings. You aren't allowed to play at the casino AT ALL. That you didn't wager on the machine that produced these tickets doesn't mean that the money you put in wasn't "winnings" from earlier disallowed play. And the more I think about it, the more I think it's probably gross winnings that matters - so a push on a $5 bet is $5 in "winnings".
Getting a lawyer is probably not worth it. Decent lawyers charge hundreds of dollars per hour. It's not worth paying a lawyer to maybe recover $1600.
No matter what, they are going to find out your identity from this if you don't let it drop. So I see no reason to fight it in court. If you just show up at the casino with your id you will get your money. Your disguise will be blown but it sounds like they will pay you. If you sue your disguise will be blown as well.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceHere is the thing.
Getting a lawyer is probably not worth it. Decent lawyers charge hundreds of dollars per hour. It's not worth paying a lawyer to maybe recover $1600.
No matter what, they are going to find out your identity from this if you don't let it drop. So I see no reason to fight it in court. If you just show up at the casino with your id you will get your money. Your disguise will be blown but it sounds like they will pay you. If you sue your disguise will be blown as well.
I don't want to just show up at the casino. They might pay me but not before locking me up for trespassing (which is only a misdemeanor here and with first offense should get me just a night in jail.)
I prefer to avoid that.
I think I will wait 45 days.
The vouchers are not cashable at the casino after 45 days. They can only be cashed at the NYS lottery office which is located in a different part of the city(they have one in each borough.)
If they cash it for me I'm in fat city. I don't even mind showing my ID to them. If they can't because of some flagged issue then I will take it to the small claims.
I am not worried about blowing my disguise. I am very good at them and can get a new one. I want my 1600 bucks.
Quote: darkozI don't want to just show up at the casino. They might pay me but not before locking me up for trespassing (which is only a misdemeanor here and with first offense should get me just a night in jail.)
I prefer to avoid that.
I think I will wait 45 days.
The vouchers are not cashable at the casino after 45 days. They can only be cashed at the NYS lottery office which is located in a different part of the city(they have one in each borough.)
If they cash it for me I'm in fat city. I don't even mind showing my ID to them. If they can't because of some flagged issue then I will take it to the small claims.
I am not worried about blowing my disguise. I am very good at them and can get a new one. I want my 1600 bucks.
Seems like lottery office makes most sense.
An initial consult will cost you at least 300. And then if the lawyer is young and hungry....you could expect to pay 300 dollars an hour.(bigger firms can charge 500-800 per hour especially in the NY metro area).
The lawyer would identify you as the client/plaintiff.......giving your name would give the casino another reason to win the case since you are banned.
If you persue it with a lawyer you may end up winning in the end......but you may end up paying 5k in the process.
the casino could claim that you won on other machines since they have film of you playing them....and they must have some documentation of your ban.
when they banned you...did they take a copy of your ID and make you sign something? If you signed something......do you know if confiscation of money is an option in the document?
either way.....small claims is your only best bet. Like it was said before you cannot claim physical injury which any lawyer woul;d jump at.
Quote: darkozNo the barcode isn't accepted at the slots. And if I give them to someone else, they told me the tapes would be examined to make sure it was me since I had no identification.
Here is the thing, unless the cashier phoned Surevillance while you stood at the cage and asked them for a review of any footage then the chances are very small that they kept the footage. All you have to do is wait 2 weeks (limit for keeping cage footage) and the casino will no longer have footage of the incident to review.
You have to be sure though that the cage did not phone Surveillance and ask them to take a picture of you.
The thing that bothers me here is that you had previously been banned from the casino. We need to know what that means. Where you trespassed or banned? Both are the same thing but legally they have some different consequences.
If you had been banned and the money you collected had been done while banned, I believe the casino may be within their rights to withold that money from you. They can prove you were banned and if they can prove the person holding the ticket was you (banned) then I THINK they will be keeping the money.
Your option to try the lottery office does seem like a fair shake and I would start there. Unless you know they have no ffotage of you, keep away from the casino.
I wouldn't worry about your "disguise" -- if it were me, I would just go back the next day with my real ID and ask them to cash out the voucher. I am not a lawyer but my understanding is that when a casino wishes to throw you off its property, it has to give you a chance to leave before it can say you were trespassing. But I have no idea what the law might be in your particular area.
But if it were me, I'd just go with my real ID and ask to be paid, and explain that you were not money laundering. It's probably just a requirement that they ask for ID.
Yes, the money was confiscated because of an automated response from the system and had nothing to do with my ban or AP activity.
In fact, they handed me back the bearer vouchers. They actually did not confiscate them, but told me to return with ID so I can get my money.
My dilemma is I can't return with ID in my disguise and they stated no one but myself can claim the ticket.
Quote: sodawaterIt sounds to me like this whole episode has nothing to do with your being "banned" for legal AP and everything to do with some sort of automatic requirement to ask for ID when a large slot voucher is generated without play.
I wouldn't worry about your "disguise" -- if it were me, I would just go back the next day with my real ID and ask them to cash out the voucher. I am not a lawyer but my understanding is that when a casino wishes to throw you off its property, it has to give you a chance to leave before it can say you were trespassing. But I have no idea what the law might be in your particular area.
But if it were me, I'd just go with my real ID and ask to be paid, and explain that you were not money laundering. It's probably just a requirement that they ask for ID.
I think I will do this EXCEPT I will wait the 45 days since I can then take the ticket to the NYS lottery. They cannot trespass me on that property.
Good luck!
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A bearer instrument refers to an instrument that is payable to anyone possessing the instrument and is negotiable by transfer alone. For example, shares and bonds are bearer instruments. Bearer instruments are distinct from normal registered instruments, because with respect to a bearer instrument no records are kept of about the one who owns the instrument. Whoever physically holds the bearer bond papers owns the property. Bearer instruments can be employed in certain jurisdictions to avoid transfer taxes, in spite of the fact that taxes may be charged when bearer instruments are issued. “When an instrument is payable both to bearer and order, the instrument states contradictory terms, but it is nonetheless a bearer instrument.”[ State v. Herrera, 130 N.M. 85 (N.M. Ct. App. 2000)].
Bearer instrument
A valuable document, which does not bear the name of its legal owner and may be redeemed by whoever is in possession of it. Bearer instruments are not registered to the holder, and can therefore be transferred by delivery.
From the NYS Lottery website as well as the back of my vouchers:
Please remember each ticket is a bearer instrument. Sign the back of your ticket for your protection
I think I have a good case that this is my money. The voucher is for cash and is a bearer instrument in my possession.
Quote: sodawaterIt sounds to me like this whole episode has nothing to do with your being "banned" for legal AP and everything to do with some sort of automatic requirement to ask for ID when a large slot voucher is generated without play.
Thanks for that post, I was having trouble understanding what had happened.
If they didn't take your picture, how will they know if it is you who is cashing them in? If they really are bearer instruments, give them to a buddy.Quote: darkozMy dilemma is I can't return with ID in my disguise and they stated no one but myself can claim the ticket.
Quote: darkozI got a problem. Would really like to PM rather than make it public.
Involves confiscated money--sixteen hundred bucks--not money won. It was my own money!
This is not legal advice:
Walk into the casino. Walk directly to security (or possibly call them from outside). Explain that you are banned from the casino, but have vouchers you would like to cash. Ask for an escort to the cage. If this works, you have effective consent to be on the property from someone with apparent authority to grant it. If there is unnecessary delay in obtaining your money, leave. However, they cannot detain for trespassing on your last visit. A misdemeanor must be committed in their presence to warrant detention; since trespassing is not a felony, their suspicions would be of no immediate legal concern. This would be a much smarter course of action than waiting 45 days, or suing them. In a suit, you may very likely fail. They followed standard procedure; not only were you banned, you are potentially (and negligently) allowing the tickets to expire. You could be faced with attacking the reasonableness of their policies or hoping they default. If they default, tell me...then I will randomly sue casinos without justification and get rich quick.
Alternatively, you can send in a confederate. You should not trust a minimum wage cashier to have a sniff. There is no crime in someone attempting to cash out the vouchers, or even in lying to the teller. Whether it's vouchers or some other form of instrument as has been mentioned, they are freely assignable. This money laundering issue is an internal casino mechanism of some sort, not a federal regulation that directly concerns you. in all likelihood, any name will do to go along with whatever report they are filing. It need not be yours, and the cashier probably does not fully realize this, or perhaps is attempting to fill her meaningless job with significance. I never try to fill my meaningless job with anything spuriously significant, but I notice a co-worker who does. I hate him.
Quote: SonuvabishThis money laundering issue is an internal casino mechanism of some sort, not a federal regulation.
Yes it is a Federal money laundering regulation. Casinos would not set up any impeding business restrictions on themselves or customers without Uncle Sam telling them they have to - and they have to. Such things as CTR's, obtaining tax ID and withholding taxes where appropriate, and reporting money-laundering actions were mandated onto casinos by the government. Nobody watches the money as tightly as Big Brother.
Quote: PaigowdanYou should scan a copy of the vouchers to your computer, along with notes or a log, in case the casino confiscates the vouchers.
Yes it is a Federal money laundering regulation. Casinos would not set up any impeding business restrictions on themselves or customers without Uncle Sam telling them they have to - and they have to. Such things as CTR's, obtaining tax ID and withholding taxes where appropriate, and reporting money-laundering actions were mandated onto casinos by the government. Nobody watches the money as tightly as Big Brother.
You misquoted me. I did not end the sentence with the word regulation (nor even did that word come at a transition in thought), and you clearly quoted me as having a period after that word...at the very least, you must use an ellipses if you are going to properly make that quote. So I guess I must now clarify.
I have no idea if this is the result of a federal regulation or not. If you are so sure, I would appreciate a statutory or regulatory reference in lieu of the misquote. But it is an internal casino accounting mechanism of some sort, and a cumulative total of $1600 is of no direct concern to the player for any mandatory reporting requirement at the casino. A SAR could be filed, but those have nothing to do with the player following any particular procedure. If you meant to clarify any ambiguity that I may have lazily left in my post, then thank you for keeping me awake.
Quote: SonuvabishYou misquoted me. I did not end the sentence the word regulation, and you clearly quoted me as having a period after that word...at the very least, you must use an ellipses if you are going to correctly quote that as a thought. So I guess I must now clarify.
I have no idea if this is the result of a federal regulation or not. If you are so sure, I would appreciate a statutory or regulatory reference in lieu of the misquote. But it is an internal casino accounting mechanism of some sort, and a cumulative total of $1600 is of no direct concern to the player for any mandatory reporting requirement. A SAR could be filed, but those have nothing to do with the player. If you meant to clarify any ambiguity that I may have lazily left in my post, then thank you for keeping me awake.
Buying in for a large sum of money and gambling nothing before trying to cash out is defined as suspicious activity under the Bank Secrecy Act which as Dan said is a federal law.
Quote: geoffBuying in for a large sum of money and gambling nothing before trying to cash out is defined as suspicious activity under the Bank Secrecy Act which as Dan said is a federal law.
I concur that that is the case, tho I'm not sure he said any of that--at least in the previous post. I'm also not going to argue whether or not the facts of the OP's case fall into the category you describe. I'm basically saying, it's not against the law to fail to reconcile your suspicious activity in someway; it's only against the law to break it. It's the casino's job to explain or report suspicious behavior. It is also not the law that the casino cannot do MORE to thwart suspicious activity than is required by law, which is what I suspect could be the case.
Quote: SonuvabishYou misquoted me. I did not end the sentence with the word regulation (nor even did that word come at a transition in thought), and you clearly quoted me as having a period after that word...at the very least, you must use an ellipses if you are going to properly make that quote. So I guess I must now clarify.
I have no idea if this is the result of a federal regulation or not. If you are so sure, I would appreciate a statutory or regulatory reference in lieu of the misquote. But it is an internal casino accounting mechanism of some sort, and a cumulative total of $1600 is of no direct concern to the player for any mandatory reporting requirement at the casino. A SAR could be filed, but those have nothing to do with the player following any particular procedure. If you meant to clarify any ambiguity that I may have lazily left in my post, then thank you for keeping me awake.
Casinos are generally required to report suspicious activity, even if the totals fall below $10,000.
As for whether or not it is suspicious to put a bunch of money in a machine and cash out without playing, that's not something that you will find in a statute. There may be case law about it, and, also, the casino's lawyers will decide what risks they are and aren't willing to take. It sounds like they are being overly-cautious to me, but then I'm not a lawyer.
The fact that this was automatically flagged (so that he could not cash it out at an ATM) tells me that this has nothing to do with the cashier; it's the casino's policy.
Quote: geoffBuying in for a large sum of money and gambling nothing before trying to cash out is defined as suspicious activity under the Bank Secrecy Act which as Dan said is a federal law.
Is this actually stated in the law? Because I do this all the time and I have never had an issue. High-value tickets are just easier to carry around than cash. If I have $30k on me I'd rather have it in 10 tickets than 300 bills.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceIs this actually stated in the law? Because I do this all the time and I have never had an issue. High-value tickets are just easier to carry around than cash. If I have $30k on me I'd rather have it in 10 tickets than 300 bills.
Yes, it is. It's a sign of counterfeit bill washing. Those 300 crisp, beautifully created benjamins fit so well in the slot machines, dontchaknow?
Quote: rdw4potusYes, it is. It's a sign of counterfeit bill washing. Those 300 crisp, beautifully created benjamins fit so well in the slot machines, dontchaknow?
It's a rare occasion that I can even get the slot machines to read my real money.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceCasinos are generally required to report suspicious activity, even if the totals fall below $10,000.
As for whether or not it is suspicious to put a bunch of money in a machine and cash out without playing, that's not something that you will find in a statute. There may be case law about it, and, also, the casino's lawyers will decide what risks they are and aren't willing to take. It sounds like they are being overly-cautious to me, but then I'm not a lawyer.
The fact that this was automatically flagged (so that he could not cash it out at an ATM) tells me that this has nothing to do with the cashier; it's the casino's policy.
Well yeah, I was never disputing what you're saying. However, in my opinion, when the amount is below something like $3000, they may not necessarily be required...they may just be following internal policy. They'd rather be on the right side of the law than the wrong side.
And no, I don't think you will find it in a statute, and I doubt you would easily find case-law directly on-point. This is why I say it's a casino mechanism, not a regulation that directly concerns the player. It's the casino trying to be on the up and up. If you are a criminal, and you have been committing crimes under their noise, they don't want to be caught being liberal in the one instance they could have stopped you. It seems clear to me that is how it works. A little fuzzy on what is technically required and what the casino does to be on the safe side, is all I meant. And I get "NO, THEY HAVE TO!!" Made me chuckle when geoff chimed in to misquote Dan, who misquoted me.
I'm sure it's policy that it was flagged; he had a problem before the cashier, at the machine--which caused him to go to the cashier, I think I remember reading. But I sort of doubt it's as the cashier describes, or as he describes the cashier's description of how 'it must be him, they will check the footage.' Anything's possible, but I think that anyone can go claim it with valid ID because those vouchers are assignable--he could sell them. And even if it fails, there is no crime in attempting to do so.
