"Duck Dynasty"...is our freedom of speech being stifled?
December 22nd, 2013 at 5:44:13 PM
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To try to keep this thread focused on Duck Dynasty, I've just made two split-off threads as follows. I hope we can carry over discussions on those topics over there.
Can the Pope change Catholic Church doctrine?
Can the LDS president change church doctrine?
Can the Pope change Catholic Church doctrine?
Can the LDS president change church doctrine?
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 22nd, 2013 at 7:18:45 PM
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Anyway, getting back on topic, here's the latest article about Robertson:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2528043/Duck-Dynasty-family-seen-today.html
Here's the best part of the article:
Love it!!!! Props to Cracker Barrel for apologizing for their mistake!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2528043/Duck-Dynasty-family-seen-today.html
Here's the best part of the article:
Quote: Cracker Barrel (from the Daily Mail)Yesterday it was revealed one company, Cracker Barrel had dropped the Louisiana family. But after threats of a boycott they almost immediately reversed their decision, releasing a statement, saying:
‘You told us we made a mistake. And, you weren’t shy about it. You wrote, you called and you took to social media to express your thoughts and feelings. You flat out told us we were wrong. Today, we are putting all our Duck Dynasty products back in our stores. And, we apologize for offending you.’
Love it!!!! Props to Cracker Barrel for apologizing for their mistake!
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December 22nd, 2013 at 9:52:47 PM
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+100 The people spoke. Nice statement. Props.
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
December 22nd, 2013 at 10:42:38 PM
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December 23rd, 2013 at 7:44:05 PM
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Quote: rxwineYou're a troll.
Personal insult -- three-day suspension.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 24th, 2013 at 7:18:30 AM
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From the Houston Chronicle:
"Celebrities who had a bad 2013"
"Phil Robertson from "Duck Dynasty" frame has probably seen better years. 2013 started off awesome for Robertson and his family when their A&E show skyrocketed in popularity. Then it came to a screeching halt in December. Robertson was suspended from the show after making anti-gay and civil rights remarks to GQ magazine."
http://www.chron.com/entertainment/celebrities/gallery/Celebrities-who-had-a-bad-2013-74609.php?cmpid=entertainmenthcat
It is amazing how the media spins things. This is an article from a Houston newspaper stating that Phil Robertson had a good year but that things went well but came to a "screeching halt" in December due to the article. Wow!! Regardless of where you stand on the issue, it is obvious that nothing came to a "screeching halt" at all--the show may well end up moving but the money is still flowing in.
Their spin is how THEY feel his year went; it is not based in reality. Do they even pay attention to these things or do they just make it up as they go?
(The word in the article is "frame"; it should be "fame"...the date is also wrong on the article. Very good work on their part!!)
"Celebrities who had a bad 2013"
"Phil Robertson from "Duck Dynasty" frame has probably seen better years. 2013 started off awesome for Robertson and his family when their A&E show skyrocketed in popularity. Then it came to a screeching halt in December. Robertson was suspended from the show after making anti-gay and civil rights remarks to GQ magazine."
http://www.chron.com/entertainment/celebrities/gallery/Celebrities-who-had-a-bad-2013-74609.php?cmpid=entertainmenthcat
It is amazing how the media spins things. This is an article from a Houston newspaper stating that Phil Robertson had a good year but that things went well but came to a "screeching halt" in December due to the article. Wow!! Regardless of where you stand on the issue, it is obvious that nothing came to a "screeching halt" at all--the show may well end up moving but the money is still flowing in.
Their spin is how THEY feel his year went; it is not based in reality. Do they even pay attention to these things or do they just make it up as they go?
(The word in the article is "frame"; it should be "fame"...the date is also wrong on the article. Very good work on their part!!)
December 24th, 2013 at 7:37:49 AM
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Agreed, yet liberals still argue that the media has no bias at all. *facepalm*
My favorite is when the media labels someone as "anti-gay". Then when you read the story, you find that the person simply believes in traditional marriage. That's it!
It's unbelievable how such a simple, straightforward belief gets defined as "anti-gay" by the media.
My favorite is when the media labels someone as "anti-gay". Then when you read the story, you find that the person simply believes in traditional marriage. That's it!
It's unbelievable how such a simple, straightforward belief gets defined as "anti-gay" by the media.
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December 24th, 2013 at 1:49:05 PM
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They said last night the main reason Phil
was fired was half the people who work
at A&E are Gay. They can't stand the
fact they work to keep a 'bigot' on the air.
This is from a guy who's knows them and
talked to them about it. I suspect Disney
will follow the money in the end.
was fired was half the people who work
at A&E are Gay. They can't stand the
fact they work to keep a 'bigot' on the air.
This is from a guy who's knows them and
talked to them about it. I suspect Disney
will follow the money in the end.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
December 25th, 2013 at 9:01:56 AM
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These folks at A&E are really standing up to Phil Robertson and his family:
A&E may have given “Duck Dynasty” star Phil Robertson the heave-ho when they suspended him from future episodes of the show last week, but the network is still welcoming him home for holidays.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/12/24/ae-duck-dynasty-christmas-marathon-phil-robertson/
They "suspended" him but they do not have the character of their supposed conviction to GLAAD to actually pull the program. If they were so offended by his statement, they could have made changes to their programming and taken the hit on revenues but they didn't...
A&E may have given “Duck Dynasty” star Phil Robertson the heave-ho when they suspended him from future episodes of the show last week, but the network is still welcoming him home for holidays.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/12/24/ae-duck-dynasty-christmas-marathon-phil-robertson/
They "suspended" him but they do not have the character of their supposed conviction to GLAAD to actually pull the program. If they were so offended by his statement, they could have made changes to their programming and taken the hit on revenues but they didn't...
December 25th, 2013 at 10:38:54 AM
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Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
December 25th, 2013 at 11:02:10 AM
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Quote: s2dbaker
That has to be one of the most senseless comics have ever seen...can't you find anything better to make fun of the situation?
BTW, in case you missed it, most here made the case for him having the right to say what he wanted and for A&E having the right to can him...A&E just doesn't really WANT to can him because he makes them too much money, but they had to say something to satisfy GLAAD.
December 25th, 2013 at 11:38:06 AM
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What a dumb cartoon.
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December 25th, 2013 at 12:19:08 PM
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Quote: Beethoven9thWhat a dumb cartoon.
I don't get it. It doesn't make sense.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
December 25th, 2013 at 12:22:59 PM
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Quote: EvenBobI don't get it. It doesn't make sense.
Its to poke fun at all those claiming A&E pulling duck dynasty is a first amendment issue when its clearly not. I don't see whats not to get.
December 25th, 2013 at 12:27:28 PM
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It's not funny, it's dumb. Or something.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
December 25th, 2013 at 1:04:03 PM
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Quote: EvenBobIt's not funny, it's dumb. Or something.
Thats your opinion I found it vaguely humorous. You said you didn't get it so I just explained it.
December 25th, 2013 at 1:22:25 PM
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Quote: TwirdmanI found it vaguely humorous
Shocker.
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December 26th, 2013 at 4:27:44 PM
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Move out of the way, folks! Professional race hustler and world renowned shake down artist, Jesse Jackson, is moving into the fray. He is demanding a meeting with A & E executives. This might be the death knell of Duck Dynasty on A & E. Or....perhaps....maybe Mr. Jackson might try to rehabilitate Mr. Robertson for them. That is....if A & E execs would care to make some hefty donations to Jackson's causes.
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December 26th, 2013 at 4:47:18 PM
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Jesse Jackson calls 'Duck Dynasty' dad 'more offensive' than Rosa Parks' bus driver
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December 26th, 2013 at 4:56:51 PM
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Quote: Beethoven9thJesse Jackson calls 'Duck Dynasty' dad 'more offensive' than Rosa Parks' bus driver
I wonder if Jesse visited his good Lib son Jesse
Jr in prison over the holidays.
http://www.suntimes.com/21924478-761/jesse-jackson-jr-sandi-await-fate-at-federal-sentencing-hearing.html
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
December 26th, 2013 at 5:04:28 PM
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Jackson is over, A & E will not bother to respond. The extortion racket known as Rainbow Push is near death.
December 26th, 2013 at 5:36:47 PM
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"Quit trying your luck and start trying your skill." Mickey Crimm
December 26th, 2013 at 5:38:15 PM
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Quote: mickeycrimm..If A & E execs would care to make some hefty donations to Jackson's causes.
Jesse has only one cause. Jesse Jackson.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
December 26th, 2013 at 5:47:11 PM
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JJ has only one agenda all the time: to be an articulate race-baiter while Sharpton takes the crude route.
If I were the Duck clan leader, I'd have each and every one of them do an interview and say the exact same things as the Daddy Phil said. Then we'll see how fast A&E is to axe the #1 show on cable tele.
If I were the Duck clan leader, I'd have each and every one of them do an interview and say the exact same things as the Daddy Phil said. Then we'll see how fast A&E is to axe the #1 show on cable tele.
December 27th, 2013 at 3:28:24 PM
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So...it has now been announced that Phil is back on the show. It is doubtful he missed any filming.
Was this a cheap PR ploy by A&E? Did they ever have any real intention of keeping a star off the show?
Was this a cheap PR ploy by A&E? Did they ever have any real intention of keeping a star off the show?
December 27th, 2013 at 3:40:46 PM
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Quote: RonCSo...it has now been announced that Phil is back on the show. It is doubtful he missed any filming.
Was this a cheap PR ploy by A&E? Did they ever have any real intention of keeping a star off the show?
This reminds me of when MLB used to 'suspend' a starting pitcher for 4 games.......
December 27th, 2013 at 4:18:47 PM
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Quote: RonCSo...it has now been announced that Phil is back on the show. It is doubtful he missed any filming.
Was this a cheap PR ploy by A&E? Did they ever have any real intention of keeping a star off the show?
Probably just did a knee jerk reaction before a proper cost benefit analyze could be performed. It is entirely possible they found out that a large chunk of the audience might not care about gay rights. All decisions by networks are based on cost benefit analyzes. They knew that comments like this on other shows have caused problems but differing audiences respond to things differently.
December 27th, 2013 at 5:15:23 PM
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This whole thing was stupid. Obviously A&E would want him back, it's the number one show on cable TV for gosh sakes. Why would they really care what he says and how he says anything about the gay people. They were just buckling to the usual pressure from minority groups who feel overly empowered these days. Sense and truth always win out in the end. Plus money trumps everything else. Go Phil!!
December 27th, 2013 at 6:08:07 PM
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Quote: tournamentking. Sense and truth always win out in the end. Plus money trumps everything else. Go Phil!!
What sense and truth? The fact is this was purely a monetary decision based on audience of the show. Had a Glee star said these things he probably would have been canned and stayed canned. Does that mean a different sense and truth exist for Glee? No the simple fact is a cost benefit analyze was made and A&E found that keeping him was the better decision. This was not some great victory for the first amendment it was simply a station making the best money decision because your right money trumps everything. I don't fault A&E for their decision but lets not pretend it was anything more than it was.
December 27th, 2013 at 8:07:04 PM
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The best part was they told Jesse Jackson
to go pound sand. What a charlatan he is.
to go pound sand. What a charlatan he is.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
December 27th, 2013 at 8:58:33 PM
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LOL
Thanks to everyone for you're unimportant opinions.I enjoyed them all.
I was entertained for the past 30 minutes.
Some of you have some issues I see with religion, among other things.
This post should not have been here,isn't this the reason Diversity Tomorrow was created?
This post is like reading a script with a crackhead,it is going in all directions.
I liked it when the talk got heated and then Wizard warned for profanity and suspended someone else for 3 days.I could picture him pointing to a large tree outside and stating to the offender go pick out a switch to get spanked with.
Thanks,KB1
Thanks to everyone for you're unimportant opinions.I enjoyed them all.
I was entertained for the past 30 minutes.
Some of you have some issues I see with religion, among other things.
This post should not have been here,isn't this the reason Diversity Tomorrow was created?
This post is like reading a script with a crackhead,it is going in all directions.
I liked it when the talk got heated and then Wizard warned for profanity and suspended someone else for 3 days.I could picture him pointing to a large tree outside and stating to the offender go pick out a switch to get spanked with.
Thanks,KB1
December 27th, 2013 at 9:18:14 PM
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Quote: KB1
This post should not have been here,isn't this the reason Diversity Tomorrow was created?
1
DT has about 7 regular posters, why don't you
post all your threads there.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
December 27th, 2013 at 11:19:55 PM
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Duck Dynasty: GLAAD responds to Phil Robertson's return
"Phil Robertson should look African American and gay people in the eyes and hear about the hurtful impact of praising Jim Crow laws and comparing gay people to terrorists."
Guess GLAAD's not happy. LOL!
BTW, when did GLAAD start caring about blacks? Their membership is whiter than the Tea Party. And why did GLAAD remain silent over KKK guys in the Democrat Party (e.g., Robert Byrd), yet they went on and on and on and on about a guy on a TV show? SMH
What an epic fail for all the anti-DD yahoos.
"Phil Robertson should look African American and gay people in the eyes and hear about the hurtful impact of praising Jim Crow laws and comparing gay people to terrorists."
Guess GLAAD's not happy. LOL!
BTW, when did GLAAD start caring about blacks? Their membership is whiter than the Tea Party. And why did GLAAD remain silent over KKK guys in the Democrat Party (e.g., Robert Byrd), yet they went on and on and on and on about a guy on a TV show? SMH
What an epic fail for all the anti-DD yahoos.
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December 27th, 2013 at 11:33:36 PM
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Quote: Beethoven9th
What an epic fail for all the anti-DD yahoos.
And Jesse Jackson gets told to go intercourse himself.
All in all, a great day for liberty and the American way
of life.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
December 27th, 2013 at 11:55:53 PM
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Quote: EvenBobAnd Jesse Jackson gets told to go intercourse himself.
All in all, a great day for liberty and the American way
of life.
What victory for liberty. This was never a liberty issue. In terms of A&E this always was and remains an issue of profit. In no ways were Robertson's rights being infringed.
December 28th, 2013 at 12:12:39 AM
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For a group that names itself GLAAD, I have never seen one happy statement from them. Kind of ironic of you think about it :(
December 28th, 2013 at 12:17:54 AM
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Quote: Twirdmanthis always was...an issue of profit.
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December 28th, 2013 at 12:27:44 AM
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Quote: Beethoven9th
How was it not about profit?
December 28th, 2013 at 12:37:03 AM
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Profit? It's about liberty and the first amendment.
And ducks.
And ducks.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
December 28th, 2013 at 12:41:49 AM
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Quote: EvenBobProfit? It's about liberty and the first amendment.
And ducks.
How is it about the first amendment. A&E took him off the air not the government. A&E put him back on air not the government. There was never any government involvement so no first amendment issue was at stake.
December 28th, 2013 at 12:50:15 AM
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Quote: TwirdmanHow was it not about profit?
Quote: Twirdmanthis always was...an issue of profit.
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December 28th, 2013 at 12:54:25 AM
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OK b9 unless you spell out how A&E decision wasn't purely profit based you're really adding nothing to the conversation except boring repetitive pictures to bolster your post count.
December 28th, 2013 at 1:37:37 AM
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
...and he still doesn't get it. *facepalm*
*BTW, you're the only one who's obsessed with "post count". I couldn't care less if mine was reset to 0. In fact, I'd welcome it.
...and he still doesn't get it. *facepalm*
*BTW, you're the only one who's obsessed with "post count". I couldn't care less if mine was reset to 0. In fact, I'd welcome it.
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December 28th, 2013 at 1:48:44 AM
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Quote: TwirdmanOK b9 unless you spell out how A&E decision wasn't purely profit based you're really adding nothing to the conversation except boring repetitive pictures to bolster your post count.
Beethoven probably has a 100 posts or more like that on this forum. Looks like a third grader did them and takes as much skill.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
December 28th, 2013 at 1:51:58 AM
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Quote: Beethoven9th^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
...and he still doesn't get it. *facepalm*
*BTW, you're the only one who's obsessed with "post count". I couldn't care less if mine was reset to 0. In fact, I'd welcome it.
Don't get what? How was this not a profit issue for A&E. Or how do you believe it is a first amendment issue? You admit there was zero government involvement right.
December 28th, 2013 at 2:03:14 AM
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Quote: EvenBobThe best part was they told Jesse Jackson
to go pound sand. What a charlatan he is.
Hey. Hey! Jackson. Why don't you take a big fluck and fly?
"Quit trying your luck and start trying your skill." Mickey Crimm
December 28th, 2013 at 2:16:12 AM
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Quote: rxwineLooks like a third grader did them and takes as much skill.
Looks like someone's getting mad again. ;)
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December 28th, 2013 at 2:18:02 AM
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Quote: Beethoven9thLooks like someone's getting mad again. ;)
Are you ever going to answer though how A&E weren't profit motivated. Or how this is in anyway a first amendment issue.
December 28th, 2013 at 2:26:15 AM
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Quote: TwirdmanAre you ever going to answer though how A&E weren't profit motivated. Or how this is in anyway a first amendment issue.
A&E thought they would get great press from suspending him because GLAAD convinced them that they would take away all the money (advertisers). A&E found out that a lot less people supported GLAAD's position than GLAAD told them supported it.
A&E was profit motivated.
GLAAD did want to stifle speech they did not believe in, of course. Phil stated his beliefs and they wanted to shut him down. He did not speak out of hate or contempt, he simply stated things he believes are sin that will keep people out of heaven. He also mentioned how to get there in spite of sin.
My position remains unchanged--Phil had every right to say what he said; A &E had every right to fire him. They just wouldn't have done anything without GLAAD trying to bully them and they did not stand up for what they did when it came down to the possibility of losing the show.
America won.
December 28th, 2013 at 2:39:49 AM
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+10Quote: RonCA&E thought they would get great press from suspending him because GLAAD convinced them that they would take away all the money (advertisers). A&E found out that a lot less people supported GLAAD's position than GLAAD told them supported it.Quote: TwirdmanAre you ever going to answer though how A&E weren't profit motivated. Or how this is in anyway a first amendment issue.
A&E was profit motivated.
GLAAD did want to stifle speech they did not believe in, of course. Phil stated his beliefs and they wanted to shut him down. He did not speak out of hate or contempt, he simply stated things he believes are sin that will keep people out of heaven. He also mentioned how to get there in spite of sin.
My position remains unchanged--Phil had every right to say what he said; A &E had every right to fire him. They just wouldn't have done anything without GLAAD trying to bully them and they did not stand up for what they did when it came down to the possibility of losing the show.
America won.
Looks like it's about that time for Twird to change the subject again and bring up meatpacking & Gatorade. lol
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