"Duck Dynasty"...is our freedom of speech being stifled?
My wife wanted to have him hanged, I felt he has very deep religious beliefs.....why should he not be allowed to express how he feels?
Any comments, if you care?
But A&E doesn't have to pay him or give him a platform from which to share those beliefs. If they feel his words will hurt their image, it's well within their rights to shut it down.
Quote: TomspurHave you guys seen the news about Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson (the "dad") who said that bestiality and being gay are similar sins.......
My wife wanted to have him hanged, I felt he has very deep religious beliefs.....why should he not be allowed to express how he feels?
Any comments, if you care?
He is allowed to express these views, that does not mean A&E has to provide him a nationally broadcasted show. You have a right to free speech you don't have a right to a national audience.
I feel like there was no hate involved in his statement, he didn't even compare the two, he also didn't say that one will lead to another, he simply classed them as a similar sin.
There are people daily who make crazy statements in the name of religion. I understand that this guy has a national audience but he has never hidden away how he feels about religion or what his beliefs are. That is what possibly makes the show so popular?
He wasn't bashing Gay's, simple stating the
position of his religion. Christian's don't support
a Gay lifestyle, this is news?
He'll be back before he goes anywhere. They
aren't filming right now, this will all blow over
by the time they do, and even more people
will be watching.
Quote: dwheatleyBut A&E doesn't have to pay him or give him a platform from which to share those beliefs. If they feel his words will hurt their image, it's well within their rights to shut it down.
Quote: TwirdmanHe is allowed to express these views, that does not mean A&E has to provide him a nationally broadcasted show. You have a right to free speech you don't have a right to a national audience.
This may be true, but I find it interesting that many of the people who say this in response to Robertson are the same ones who are curiously silent when the situation is reversed.
For example, if Robertson had gotten suspended for expressing a PRO-gay viewpoint, does anybody honestly believe that liberals would be using the "A&E doesn't have to give him a show!!" argument???
-Andrew Sullivan.
Quote: Beethoven9thThis may be true, but I find it interesting that many of the people who say this in response to Robertson are the same ones who are curiously silent when the situation is reversed.
For example, if Robertson had gotten suspended for expressing a PRO-gay viewpoint, does anybody honestly believe that liberals would be using the "A&E doesn't have to give him a show!!" argument???
Yes you don't have to broadcast someone if their views differ from your own. I would probably boycott the station as it is the right of people who disagree with this decision to boycott the station, but it is most definitely within their right to do it.
Though I find it incredibly disingenuous to compare pro and anti gay rhetoric. one side is saying to treat them like human beings the other is basically saying they are scum. As such one leads to gays having amongst the highest suicide rate of any group and as such is demonstrably bad. I mean look at it this way if someone said blacks are little more than primitive animals and was fired most people would accept it. If another person was fired for say blacks are human beings deserving of respect and was fired for it people would probably object, though in both cases it is still the networks choice. So if it is wrong to say any race is inferior why to people who say gays are inferior get a pass. Both are bigots who shouldn't get a national audience.
Quote: TwirdmanThough I find it incredibly disingenuous to compare pro and anti gay rhetoric. one side is saying to treat them like human beings the other is basically saying they are scum.
One word: *FACEPALM*
I just kind of roll my eyes when I see people getting outraged about this story. A self-proclaimed redneck has anti-gay views? SHOCKING!
Quote: Beethoven9thQuote: TwirdmanThough I find it incredibly disingenuous to compare pro and anti gay rhetoric. one side is saying to treat them like human beings the other is basically saying they are scum.
One word: *FACEPALM*
What did I say that was wrong. Most of the anti gay rhetoric is saying gays aren't as good as straights. Hes said acceptance of homosexuality is the same as acceptance of beastiality as though the two are comparable acts. And don't give me the crap of well they're both sins. No one with a functioning brain says accepting the occasional lie is the same as acceptance of murder yet they are both sins.
Quote: TwirdmanMost of the anti gay rhetoric is saying gays aren't as good as straights.
Oh boy...
Quote: Twirdman
He's said acceptance of homosexuality is the same as acceptance of beastiality as though the two are comparable acts.
In the Bible they are, and that's what his reference
is.
Quote: dwheatleyHe can generally express how he feels, as long as it doesn't wander into the realm of hate.
But A&E doesn't have to pay him or give him a platform from which to share those beliefs. If they feel his words will hurt their image, it's well within their rights to shut it down.
Ding ding ding we have a winner. End thread.
Okay, so what I mean is, I'm going to block this thread :).
Quote: EvenBobIn the Bible they are, and that's what his reference
is.
Of course, a layperson calling another layperson a sinner is also a sin. So, you know, Phil may as well just go screw a duck now. He's already on the same level as the gays...
bashing Gay's? I won't won't link to it, but there's
some pretty funny stuff on Youtube. They tried
to get his albums recalled and boycotted his
appearances. Now that was bashing. What Robertson
did is not.
Would you rather watch Caribou Barbie spout off her incomprehensible verbal diarrhea?Quote: treetopbuddyI refuse to watch any show where the main characters have a southern and or hick accent. Drives me crazy.
Quote: WizardI think anybody angry over this should be equally angry about the bible and Christianity.
Angry about beliefs they had a couple thousand
years ago? They didn't know any better.
Quote: WizardI think anybody angry over this should be equally angry about the bible and Christianity.
More campaigns to go after adulterers and get them off TV. Keep them out businesses and hotels. Not enough going on in that department with people who don't like sins.
Quote: Beethoven9thThat's from Andrew Sullivan? Wow. Since I always like to give credit where credit is due, I gotta give Sullivan props for being consistent on this one.
It's typically more entertaining to read a pundit criticize their "own side." For example, when Bush was president I appreciated reading conservative George Will or Charles Krauthammer denounce a misguided Bush policy. And by the same logic, these days I enjoy reading a liberal like Paul Krugman complain about Obama.
When Michael Moore bitched about Bush or when Ann Coulter bitches about Obama it just gets tedious and predictable.
Quote: ams288It's a stupid, ignorant, wrongheaded thing to say, but he has every right to say it. And A&E has every right to take away his platform for broadcasting it to millions of Americans.
I just kind of roll my eyes when I see people getting outraged about this story. A self-proclaimed redneck has anti-gay views? SHOCKING!
+100
Exactly. Totally agree
So if you had a shoe store in a neighborhoold that had gay patrons, and a regular worker of yours writes an editorial for the local newspaper that compares homosexuality to beastiality.......ya think you as the store owner would be proud of him and point to free speach, and allow him to continue serving a community with gay people? Even if it means loss of business. Do you maintain a cavalier attitude that its his right to say whatever he wants, and the gay people, and friends and relatives of gay people should just lighten up.
thats all A&E is doing. They are doing what any individual sotre owner would do to protect their income and preserve their patrons. The patrons of A&E are the advertisers....and the patrons of the advertisers include gay people.
without patrons..the advertisers dont exisist, and without advertisers A&E dont exist.
The show is edited the way A&E wants it, I presume even if unscripted. I assume someone cuts out stuff they don't want on the air that may be deemed too controversial.
Quote: KickassYes, we have freedom of speech in our Constitution. But not all speech is protected by it. See http://www.freedomforum.org/packages/first/curricula/educationforfreedom/supportpages/L04-LimitsFreedomSpeech.htm
Again, nobody disagrees. I just find it very curious that liberals love to point out that "not all speech is protected" whenever anyone says something that they dislike, but when the tables are turned this entire argument goes out the window. Very few liberals are intellectually honest enough to admit this.
Quote: WizardI think anybody angry over this should be equally angry about the bible and Christianity.
+1
If a man looks at another mans hairy ass and finds lust, fine. Just don't tell me I'm the one with the problem.
Quote: WizardI think anybody angry over this should be equally angry about the bible and Christianity.
Why? The Pope was named Man of the Year because he can present the teachings of Christ and the Bible in a loving and kind way, which is what Jesus would want us to do. As many have already said on this thread - I don't think it is a surprise to people that Papa Duck thinks homosexual acts are a sin, not do I think people are surprised or upset that Papa Francis does. What people are rightfully upset about is the crass and vulgar way Robertson spoke.
Quote: Sabretom2Line me up with Phil.
If a man looks at another mans hairy ass and finds lust, fine. Just don't tell me I'm the one with the problem.
It's not a 0 sum game. Neither of you have a problem.
Quote: Sabretom2
If a man looks at another mans hairy ass and finds lust, fine.
I'm not defending Gay's, but I've known a lot
of them over the years. Assuming they all
have anal sex in not even close to being true.
Many of them don't like it and never do it.
It's too bad they're all branded with that
misconception.
http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/not-all-gay-men-have-anal-sex
He has every right to speak freely. A&E has every right to control who is on their programming.
If this is indeed true, maybe conservatives are finally starting to realize that they need to start using the same tactics as liberals.
This is a good sign too:
'Duck Dynasty' Sponsor -- We Stand Behind Phil
Quote: Beethoven9thAgain, nobody disagrees. I just find it very curious that liberals love to point out that "not all speech is protected" whenever anyone says something that they dislike, but when the tables are turned this entire argument goes out the window. Very few liberals are intellectually honest enough to admit this.
Give me a break. Give me an example of somebody on the left saying something incredibly stupid. I am sure there are plenty of examples.
You say something stupid and there are consequences. How is this a lib or conservative issue?
Its a common sense issue. Lets take Martin Bashir, boy am I glad that clown is gone. Happy? Actually his case is worse but somewhat similar to Robertson.
You say something stupid regardless of being on the left or right, there may be consequences if you are a TV personality.
I loved the Smothers Brothers, CBS is a private company. A and E is a private company. These are private company decisions. CBS and A and E are private companies that have the right to determine what they broadcast.
This isn't a left right issue, its a private company making a decision.
You don't like the decision, don't watch A and E. That's the bottom line.
Geez, cant believe you are defending this clown Robertson. You watch this clown? Why is he on TV? What's the attraction?
*facepalm* Get out of the foxnews twilight zone, its not a lib vs conservative world, its a world of billions of unique individuals with billions of different views.
Do you also need examples to prove that the sky is blue?Quote: terapinedGive me an example of somebody on the left saying something incredibly stupid.
I'm not defending anybody. I'm just trying to understand liberal logic. This is no different from the way you always question polls you don't like.Quote: terapinedThese are private company decisions. CBS and A and E are private companies that have the right to determine what they broadcast.
This isn't a left right issue, its a private company making a decision.
You don't like the decision, don't watch A and E. That's the bottom line.
Geez, cant believe you are defending this clown Robertson.
Pro-Obama polls? You're silent.
Pro-Democrat polls? You're silent.
Pro-gay polls? You're silent.
Pro-Hillary polls? You're silent.
Pro-Republican polls? That's when you speak out!!! LOL
The same thing is happening with this "Duck Dynasty" suspension.
A&E suspends Phil Robertson: You defend the rights of private businesses.
Restaurants who refuse to serve [insert group here]: You want to sue private businesses!!!!!
You're a cool guy and all, but you're always twisting yourself into a pretzel to accommodate your contradictory views.
Quote: RonCI'm not sure why A&E seems so taken aback by these comments--they knew all about these people and created a franchise around them. They make it seem like they had no idea that Phil had strong religious beliefs that might offend some people. A&E was all in for the money; once someone threatened that by objecting to his positions, they bailed.
He has every right to speak freely. A&E has every right to control who is on their programming.
Again its not A&E thats up in arms because of the comment. A&E is up in arms because their advertisers are pissed because some of the people who buy the advertisers products are pissed. Its not just gay people that stand to stop buying their products. Its the friends and reatives of gay people. Its the people who have no personal gay friends /relatives but sympathize with their plight. Its alot of people that were ticked off.
So if yo ask why A&E is all up in arms? Because all their customers(sponsors) are up in arms.
Sometimes I speak up, sometimes, why speak up, its like talking to a brick wall of poll believers.
You(B9) and AZ, as soon as something anti conservative pops up on this board, you guys are on top of it like white on rice.
I'm not like that, I see something I disagree with, I may let it slide. Life is too short to live on this board. A lot of other stuff to do and enjoy in life then post.
How about a bet since you have such a complete trust in polls.
Arizona is number 1 in both polls NCAA Mens Basketball.
You take Arizona , I take the rest of the field.
20 bucks.
Arizona, number 1 in both polls right now, wins the March Madness tournament, I pay you 20.
Somebody else wins, you pay me 20.
Deal?
if so we gotta move this to a new thread. Talk about a thread hijacking lol
That's the problem, you never disagree with pro-Obama, pro-Hillary, pro-Democrat, pro-gay polls...so you let all of them slide. lolQuote: terapinedI see something I disagree with, I may let it slide.
Now you're just being like s2dbaker, man. The only thing those have in common with political polls is that they are both called 'polls'. Those sports polls aren't scientific at all. Not only that, they have no influence whatsoever on the outcome of a sporting event.Quote: terapinedHow about a bet since you have such a complete trust in polls.
Arizona is number 1 in both polls NCAA Mens Basketball.
You take Arizona , I take the rest of the field.
20 bucks.
Arizona, number 1 in both polls right now, wins the March Madness tournament, I pay you 20.
Somebody else wins, you pay me 20.
Deal?
Your false comparison deserves another:
Quote: terapinedGeez, cant believe you are defending this clown Robertson. You watch this clown? Why is he on TV? What's the attraction?
BTW, what if Phil Robertson said this to a gay kid at his church:
"The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired. You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve it."
Do you consider this offensive??
Quote: Beethoven9thHundreds Of Thousands Support Boycotting A&E Following ‘Duck Dynasty’ Star’s Suspension
If this is indeed true, maybe conservatives are finally starting to realize that they need to start using the same tactics as liberals.
This is a good sign too:
'Duck Dynasty' Sponsor -- We Stand Behind Phil
Are you kidding the right has been doing it for years. They boycotted JC Penny for having Ellen DeGeneres as a spokesman, they boycott plenty of channels for showing things they disagree with, and they've boycotted stores for saying happy holidays instead of Merry Christmas. The left also do it most notably against Rush Limbaugh. Don't pretend that the right has just been silently sitting back so long and finally broke they constantly do things to gain influence and that is their perogative.
announced that they won't be continuing without
Phil. Which means A&E is doing massive butt
kissing as I write this. Word is they've already
been offered way more money from another
network.
