rxwine
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May 8th, 2013 at 8:49:24 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

In fact, if a casino company advertised a certain payback percentage I think the Federal Trade Commission might even get involved because it's probably advertised on a website and that is interstate commerce.




(be sure and send along photos or ads of payback)

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The Federal Trade Commission, the nation's consumer protection agency, collects complaints about companies, business practices, identity theft, and episodes of violence in the media.

Your complaints can help us detect patterns of wrong-doing, and lead to investigations and prosecutions. The FTC enters all complaints it receives into Consumer Sentinel, a secure online database that is used by thousands of civil and criminal law enforcement authorities worldwide. The FTC does not resolve individual consumer complaints.



https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/
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odiousgambit
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May 9th, 2013 at 12:23:43 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I'm surprised somebody found it already.



Ah, the internet. Privacy gone, you know.

I am subscribed to your input at you-tube. There it was!
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DJTeddyBear
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May 9th, 2013 at 5:25:51 AM permalink
I hope the official page includes a transcript.
I had a hard time understanding what the judge said.

Frankly, I'm shocked that Gaming is claiming that they don't have the numbers requested.
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onenickelmiracle
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May 9th, 2013 at 5:37:23 AM permalink
My biggest complaint about slot payback info is it is misleading because it includes FP awarded through the players' clubs. It is not a requirement to join a players club, so numbers should not include them or numbers should indicate both. The Meadows in PA is a big benefactor of this because the player makes a bet and is reimbursed afterwards, thereby adding to both pays and plays, pushing them to the top in PA, which I think they do not deserve.
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onenickelmiracle
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May 9th, 2013 at 6:10:31 AM permalink
"Information we don't normally make" implies they have it.
Maybe you can ask for each machine a casino has and for proof they are above the minimum payback required by law and for more than a yes or no answer. This would be so burdensome, they might give in. How proof they are requiring with the law is confidential makes no sense to me.
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Wizard
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May 9th, 2013 at 2:31:02 PM permalink
I just posted the whole story on my Odds site. Please see my blog entry titled Lack of Freedom of Information Act.
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May 9th, 2013 at 2:54:31 PM permalink
I respect your dumping $3,000 at this problem. I know how it can be to dump money into something that has very little chance of coming back to anything besides proof that you are willing to dump a lot of money to come to a conclusion that you both expect to come to and still has no effect on anything.

I built the die balancing device to convince the biased dice conspiracy theorists that there was no reason to worry and I won't have that time or money come back either. But oh boy, what a can of worms that one!

It sure would be nice to get you more involved in the details of dice as there is some nuggets in there I think. There's a group think going on that everything is 100% fair, and I have more evidence than I have shared.

But there are more than just a few similarities between these two stories from my perspective. Especially considering the "it is what it is and we're not going to change it" mentality.
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May 9th, 2013 at 3:09:42 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I just posted the whole story on my Odds site. Please see my blog entry titled Lack of Freedom of Information Act.



1:20, a lay....some odds...."I'll pay you an extra 20:1 if we win this thing by some miracle...even with you as my lawyer, we don't [yada, yada, yada......]" A difficult road.
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May 9th, 2013 at 3:12:59 PM permalink
Without gaming, Nevada would absolutely cease to exist...if everyone knew the absolute payback of every bet/machine/table...would those casinos be in business?
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rxwine
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May 9th, 2013 at 3:14:43 PM permalink
Quote: TIMSPEED

Without gaming, Nevada would absolutely cease to exist...if everyone knew the absolute payback of every bet/machine/table...would those casinos be in business?



Well, they can know the table games percentages (if they want to) and they play a lot of those.
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