Casino employee defends poor work attitudes
Quote: Mikey75That's some read!!! Lol. I wonder how long he stays in a job??
Yeah - I can't believe he signed his name to it instead of being anonymous
Quote: pokerfacehe had a good point
Good point but I am sure the powers that be do not care if patrons smell, vomit, pee their pants so long as they lose money
Quote: aceofspadesGood point but I am sure the powers that be do not care if patrons smell, vomit, pee their pants so long as they lose money
That is so true!!
Quote: onenickelmiracleWhatever the deregulation was he mentioned, I would be curious to know.
I assume that's a reference to the reduced impact/benefit of union membership. But deregulation isn't quite the right word.
a career is a mystery. Same with bar tending. I haven't
been in a bar in 30 years, after owning one for 3. Never
again..
Quote: onenickelmiracleHis error is somehow thinking only Atlantic City has patrons they wish they didn't due to being total slobs. Whatever the deregulation was he mentioned, I would be curious to know. The only thing I can think of is allowing points to expire instead of never expiring.
You mean on casino loyalty cards?
I thought points expire after a year? I know Revel points must be used within 180 days (or something along those lines)
on weekends.
That and he often went on double dates during week days. Some other guy would date her first, drive her home after the bar closed.
After she had to get up early in Am or had a strict roommate, etc. Ronnie would be her double date later that night.
Some other fool fed her and got her drunk, but Ronnie got the benefits LOL
Quote: aceofspadesYou mean on casino loyalty cards?
I thought points expire after a year? I know Revel points must be used within 180 days (or something along those lines)
Yes, loyalty cards. There were signs in AC at Harrahs announcing points would no longer be good for life after a certain point. would expire after a certain date, and have an expiration period. That's a huge gift considering companies can't count future liabilities as profits. Once they are no longer liabilities, the profits can be taken immediately. If anyone knows background history, they can elaborate.
Quote: BuzzardMy old hustling buddy was a bar tender for about 5 years. Made good money selling sandwiches at the card games after the bar closed
on weekends.
I have worked in the bar business for the last seven years in Las Vegas. I would guess that the hundreds of swing shift bartenders I have worked with average $65,000 a year mostly in tips which they are being way under taxed on. A very good job in Las Vegas.
Quote: onenickelmiracleYes, loyalty cards. There were signs in AC at Harrahs announcing points would no longer be good for life after a certain point. would expire after a certain date, and have an expiration period. That's a huge gift considering companies can't count future liabilities as profits. Once they are no longer liabilities, the profits can be taken immediately. If anyone knows background history, they can elaborate.
Yeah I don't know the exact history with CET changing with this policy, but I assume it was sometime in the mid to late 2000s because my g/f lost ~$40 in Rewards Credits (thankfully only that) in 2009 I think over this. When we went to Tunica for the first time, we found this out the hard way, and they said "there is nothing we can do". Oh well, all the better reason to max out "Race to Rewards" benefits the last two years. I also lost my points, but I had so little at the time I didn't really care. I never saw a notice about it myself either. Maybe it's around when we moved to Georgia in late 2008.
Quote: EvenBobDealing sucks.
Looks like we've found another thing to add to the list of things you're wrong about. Dealing is a job, there are some good parts and some not so good. I've had some version of everything bad that the guy in the article mentions happen, from having to call Environmental Services to clean up a player's blood/drool/spilt drink, to the guy that blow chunks in the trash can (or the floor), to the player that sat right there are pissed themselves. Bad breath, body odor, and smoke blown in my face. None of that stops me from enjoying my job. I get to be in the casino 5 days a week (more sometimes) and I love being there. I've made great friends, both other dealers and players alike. Some players are really foul human beings, others are not. It's kind of like the real world in that regard.
Quote: EvenBobWhy anybody would do it on purpose as
a career is a mystery.
It's not a mystery, it's fun and they pay me to do it. Doesn't get much better than that.
Quote: EvenBobSame with bar tending. I haven't
been in a bar in 30 years, after owning one for 3. Never
again..
It must be rough living life through your perspective, projecting your negative outlook on everyone and everything. The bitterness comes through in every post.
No, Bob just believes in the adage than an optimist is merely a pessimist in training.
Quote: onenickelmiracleTring, I saw those signs in 9/12, but somewhere around your time seems to make sense because I think I remember connecting it with the recession. So, this has nothing to do with NJ laws if it was country wide. Oops on me.
Yes, this has been CET company policy for almost 4 years at least I think. Possibly NJ law prevented this until more recently, but I really don't know. I know they comp live poker differently in AC (to the player's benefit) vs. the rest of the properties nationwide.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyIt must be rough living life through your perspective, projecting your negative outlook on everyone and everything. The bitterness comes through in every post.
Bam!!!
Quote: Buzzard
No, Bob just believes in the adage than an optimist is merely a pessimist in training.
An optimist is somebody who hasn't lived long
enough. He'll find out, just give him enough time..
Quote: EvenBobAn optimist is somebody who hasn't lived long
enough. He'll find out, just give him enough time..
My copy of Webster lists curmudgeon as an antonym for optimist.
Quote: onenickelmiraclePessimists do have an advantage later in life. Optimists expect ever better lives and are disappointed when death and old age comes, but pessimists have a better time with it because they are finally right and it is no longer worth complaining.
Maybe so, but I still would like to convert myself to more of an optimist since most of my life will be in reasonable health at least. I just don't show my pessimism as publicly as some of the other "regs" do here. Partly because I realize most other people on the internet could care less about my complaining.
Quote: onenickelmiraclePessimists do have an advantage later in life. Optimists expect ever better lives and are disappointed when death and old age comes, but pessimists have a better time with it because they are finally right and it is no longer worth complaining.
An interesting theory, but I'm having trouble accepting being bitter and cynical as an advantage at any point in life. My take is that until you die everything is pretty much ok* and you only die once, so it's not worth being anxious about it.
* This is something that rolls through my mind whenever I have problems. I ask myself, "Is this going to kill me?" and if the answer is no, and it always has been, then I know everything is going to be alright. I'm sure someone can come up with an example of a life altering problem that would really suck, but I don't feel that worrying about such things is part of the formula for a life well lived, and that's my goal.
Life outside the casinos? Just look at the ads that braced his letter: A gun buy back and a Lingerie Fitting Service. Ain't nothin' else in town. You got two choices: work two jobs in Atlantic City or leave Atlantic City.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyI'm sure someone can come up with an example of a life altering problem that would really suck.
A blind and deaf quadriplegic forced to work as a vacuum cleaner and sex slave for unwashed farting sumo wrestlers.
Although if you're a true optimist, it could still be worse.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyLooks like we've found another thing to add to the list of things you're wrong about.
It must be rough living life through your perspective, projecting your negative outlook on everyone and everything. The bitterness comes through in every post.
+1
Quote: BozTo me the letter writer sounds like most liberals I know looking to blame anyone and everyone for how their life has turned out except for the person who controls everything, the person in the mirror.
Not to mention one who seems to think there are only jobs dealing and those jobs are only in AC. If he didn't like the trade he has had 34 years to learn a new one per the article.
Quote: AZDuffmanNot to mention one who seems to think there are only jobs dealing and those jobs are only in AC. If he didn't like the trade he has had 34 years to learn a new one per the article.
I also love how he portrays these things as if they are daily occurrences. The guy drooling on the table, the guy vomiting in the ashtray, the gentleman urinating in his seat. As common, if not more common are the good patrons, the ones who tip him well for his service, the ones he has pleasant conversations with etc. Every job I have ever had, has had a few days where things that happened that were rather uncomfortable to deal with. It is my belief that between 95 and 99% of the activities in our day go exactly as we thought they would, but this man pays no attention to that aspect of his life. He focuses solely on the 1-5% (and that may be generous) where he is somehow inconvenienced.
If touching something that someone else touches creeps the ever living hell out of you, then a dealer at a casino might not be your ideal career choice.
Quote: Gabes22I also love how he portrays these things as if they are daily occurrences. The guy drooling on the table, the guy vomiting in the ashtray, the gentleman urinating in his seat. As common, if not more common are the good patrons, the ones who tip him well for his service, the ones he has pleasant conversations with etc. Every job I have ever had, has had a few days where things that happened that were rather uncomfortable to deal with. It is my belief that between 95 and 99% of the activities in our day go exactly as we thought they would, but this man pays no attention to that aspect of his life. He focuses solely on the 1-5% (and that may be generous) where he is somehow inconvenienced.
If touching something that someone else touches creeps the ever living hell out of you, then a dealer at a casino might not be your ideal career choice.
Good way of putting it!
The guy sounds like the screw in "Shawshank Redemption" who got an inheritance and just complained he had to pay taxes on it.
If a dealer does not like their job, they should QUIT.
If they need their job, they better LEARN TO LIKE IT.
Jobs are HARD TO COME BY .. even still these days.
SUCK IT UP, or quit. I don't like ANYBODY who doesn't take their job seriously enough to do it right.
I don't care about your difficulties with other patrons. I only care how you treat me when I am being dealt to.
Currently, my least favorite dealer, to which I yelled at him, "I HOPE YOU LOSE YOUR JOB" works at the Fiesta Rancho. I generally always have my least favorite dealer in my mind and I put extra pressure on them to let them know that THEY ARE THE WORST!!! Because there is always a worst one and as many dealers as I see, it's fun game to identify the worst of the worst of the worst!
Dealers may not realize it, but when they complain about their job (especially the parts they have no control over), they are breeding a deteriorating work environment for themselves.
Dealers that like their jobs deal with problems as best as they can instead of just living with them and complaining about them with people who have no power to do anything about them.
Quote: FinsRuleI work in a place where our customers are much worse. Shut up and deal or shut up and quit.
My dealer school instructor offered the best advice ever on dealing (no pun) with the public. Said pretend you are an actor in a role, director doesn't yell "cut" until shift is over.
Quote: Jimmy5You sound like an angry player. you blame everyone else for losses but yourself. Some people shouldnt gamble like some shouldnt deal
This cracked me up because I was thinking the same thing after reading Ahigh's post. It's too bad it's your first post because the accusations that you're a dealer that posts here regularly and just made this account for this purpose are almost sure to follow.
Also, it's sure a shame that DT failed to cull the political agendas from the herd. Reading about how everything posted relates to someone's take on politics is getting tiresome, especially in light of a special place being created just for that sort of thing.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyThis cracked me up because I was thinking the same thing after reading Ahigh's post. It's too bad it's your first post because the accusations that you're a dealer that posts here regularly and just made this account for this purpose are almost sure to follow.
Also, it's sure a shame that DT failed to cull the political agendas from the herd. Reading about how everything posted relates to someone's take on politics is getting tiresome, especially in light of a special place being created just for that sort of thing.
Who said anything political in the thread? While there was a question on the gaming board that is all and that was just a question. What was political?
Quote: FinsRuleShut up and deal.
My thoughts exactly. I wish I could sit at his table for an hour and not tip him.
As Judge Smails said "You'll get nothing and like it."
Quote: Jimmy5You sound like an angry player. you blame everyone else for losses but yourself. Some people shouldnt gamble like some shouldnt deal
I don't recall mentioning the word losses at all.
I do recall using the word complain. So let me do some complaining for a change.
You left out an apostrophe, LOSER!
It's either should not, or shouldn't. Not shouldnt!
Learn to SPELL! If you want to complain about someone being wrong, at least mind your own mistakes!
Quote: Ahigh
Currently, my least favorite dealer, to which I yelled at him, "I HOPE YOU LOSE YOUR JOB" .
So you're one of those players, that screams at
the dealers when he's losing, knowing they can't
scream back at you. One day winning means
nothing to you and the next day you're screaming
at the dealer when you lose.
Conflicted much?
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyLooks like we've found another thing to add to the list of things you're wrong about. Dealing is a job, there are some good parts and some not so good. I've had some version of everything bad that the guy in the article mentions happen, from having to call Environmental Services to clean up a player's blood/drool/spilt drink, to the guy that blow chunks in the trash can (or the floor), to the player that sat right there are pissed themselves. Bad breath, body odor, and smoke blown in my face. None of that stops me from enjoying my job. I get to be in the casino 5 days a week (more sometimes) and I love being there. I've made great friends, both other dealers and players alike. Some players are really foul human beings, others are not. It's kind of like the real world in that regard.
It's not a mystery, it's fun and they pay me to do it. Doesn't get much better than that.
It must be rough living life through your perspective, projecting your negative outlook on everyone and everything. The bitterness comes through in every post.
MonkeyMonkey How long have you been dealing? I know many dealers and floors who used to feel like you, but 10 years later when I run into them they all bitch about the job.
Quote: Ahigh
It's either should not, or shouldn't. Not shouldnt!
99% of people who make this "error" including myself know that an apostrophe is supposed to be there, but no one really wants to hit the apostrophe key.
Quote: AZDuffmanWho said anything political in the thread? What was political?
Really? Are you so used to seeing it you don't even see it?
Ok, let's do this. Some quotes edited for brevity.
First Boz writes this (emphasis added is mine so you don't miss it).
Quote: BozTo me the letter writer sounds like most liberals I know looking to blame anyone and everyone for how their life has turned out except for the person who controls everything, the person in the mirror.
This is clearly a statement of political belief.
Then in reply to Boz, YOU said the following:
Quote: AZDuffmanNot to mention one who seems to think there are only jobs dealing and those jobs are only in AC. If he didn't like the trade he has had 34 years to learn a new one per the article.
So, you are agreeing with Boz's clearly political statement.
Then Gabes22 halfheartedly piles on with this reply to you:
Quote: Gabes22I also love how he portrays these things as if they are daily occurrences.
See, there's agreement in there. Boz makes a statement and you say "Not to mention..." indicating your agreement and extension of the argument. And Gabes "I also love..." shows agreement and extension of the argument.
There may have been more in there or since, I don't know, I try to skip over the political agenda stuff and wish it would stay at DT where it belongs, but you asked for an explanation for my comment and there it is.
And the thing is, I don't necessarily disagree with you guys, I just don't come here for that perspective on things and I believe it was the intention of the Wiz to shuffle this stuff off to where it could be properly appreciated.
Quote: HunterhillMonkeyMonkey How long have you been dealing? I know many dealers and floors who used to feel like you, but 10 years later when I run into them they all bitch about the job.
Only a few years. I too have seen the burnout the gaming business can cause, but it doesn't happen to everyone. I work with some grouches and some very upbeat people, both categories have people that have been doing the work for 10+ years.
hellacious conditions the dealers must face.....similar to the kill floor at meat packing plants.....Quote: rxwineIs it bad? How come more dealers don't decide to go postal? You know, come to work, and start shooting.
