Obamacare
Quote: terapinedFor Choice
Quote: terapinedIf Bozo the clown ran on a platform of freedom of marriage and freedom for DR/patient decisions, sure I'd be interested in voting for Bozo.
What is with left-wing inability to say the word "abortion"?
Quote: terapinedyes, whatever a dr and patient decide, its none of my business.
I have a feeling I'm about to be attacked for being honest.
There are a lot of issues facing this country. I believe those on the right and those on left are intelligent people that simply have a different view on solving our problems. Those on the right believe that their views are whats best for the country. Those on the left believe their views are whats best for the country. There are very smart people onboth sides. I dont believe conservatives are brainwashed by fox. I dont believe the left is brainwashed by the media. Different sides simply have a different overall world view. We may disagree but I would not insult your intelligence with a "facepalm" comment. You are an intelligent person that simply has a different view of the world then me.
If you really believe obama champions freedom for doctor patient decisions you don't need to be attacked. You need to be psychoanalyzed. Deeply. On top of everything else, he turned out to be a control freak and doesn't champion freedom in any form.
Quote: 24BingoWhat is with left-wing inability to say the word "abortion"?
ok, I'll bite.
I am for A B O R T I O N.
loud enough?
Honestly, I'm against it personally, just for the right of others
Quote: terapinedok, I'll bite.
I am for A B O R T I O N.
loud enough?
Honestly, I'm against it personally, just for the right of others
That doesn't make sense. So you're a woman?
Quote: 24BingoWhat is with left-wing inability to say the word "abortion"?
Terapined has it wrong. Abortion is one choice. Pro-choice is two, abortion or no abortion. That's two choices.
Quote: anonimussThat doesn't make sense. So you're a woman?
I take personal responsibility.
If my girlfriend got pregnant, I would talk her out of a abortion because I am against it personally.
But I am for her right to have a choice.
I'm against scientology.
I'm a huge anti-scientology critic
But I support the right to join scientology.
Quote: anonimussIf you really believe obama champions freedom for doctor patient decisions you don't need to be attacked. .
I believe in choice when it comes to pregnancy. So in this narrow issue, yes Obama champions freedom.
Why attack? why not have an intelligent back and forth. No need to attack.
Quote: anonimuss
You need to be psychoanalyzed. Deeply. On top of everything else, he turned out to be a control freak and doesn't champion freedom in any form.
Hmm, I need to be psychoanalyzed? I really don't think so.
I'm just rockin in the free world, thanks Neil
OK, I get it now. *facepalm*
Quote: Beethoven9thSo liberals believe that abortion is a choice, but eating trans fats is not?
OK, I get it now. *facepalm*
Huh? Go eat as much trans fats as you want. Why should I care.
Whats with the facepalm?
Quote: Beethoven9thSo liberals believe that abortion is a choice, but eating trans fats is not?
OK, I get it now. *facepalm*
And paying for contraceptives through your health insurance policy when you're a 60 year woman isn't a choice either.
Quote: terapinedHuh? Go eat as much trans fats as you want. Why should I care.
Whats with the facepalm?
Perhaps you missed the news. Holier-than-thou liberals want to BAN trans fats. So basically, they believe that the CHOICE to have an abortion is valid, but the CHOICE to eat trans fats is not.
Yes, this deserves another *facepalm*
Quote: rxwineTerapined has it wrong. Abortion is one choice. Pro-choice is two, abortion or no abortion. That's two choices.
Great, so the reason you prefer to make practically all the words that used to refer to what the courts and political machines have eroded refer to a single prerogative the former have granted is that it's not mandatory (an idea no one more respectable than the average subway tramp has brought up in this country since WWII), not because you know the idea provokes a visceral disgust that's the reason what was fifty years ago a point of contention between Catholics and Protestants became a unifying force.
Quote: 24BingoGreat, so the reason you prefer to make practically all the words that used to refer to what the courts and political machines have eroded refer to a single prerogative the former have granted is that it's not mandatory (an idea no one more respectable than the average subway tramp has brought up in this country since WWII), not because you know the idea provokes a visceral disgust that's the reason what was fifty years ago a point of contention between Catholics and Protestants became a unifying force.
Abortion protesters show all sorts of graphic pictures outside of abortion clinics. No one is short of information unless they never go to one. Supreme Court allows free speech. Buy up as much time in media and join the anti-abortion campaign.
As far as I know there are still plenty of kids to adopt. You want to make more welfare babies for which no one apparently wants to support in the name of pro-life.
Go campaign for it. Maybe you will convince people you care about people beyond their birth.
for the insurance companies. They wrote the Obamacare
law, they're the ones profiting from it. Only it's not going
as planned, the gov't screwed it all up. But you don't see
spokespeople from insurance companies complaining, do
you. They still think this will be a windfall for them. They
never cared if we got proper care for the money we spent,
why should they start now. If they see they're going to get
screwed, like not enough young healthy people signing up,
then we'll hear the squealing from them.
Think about it. You sell a product that the gov't just made
mandatory, that you got to write the rules for. Would you
be complaining?
The conservative Heritage Foundation wrote the law.Quote: EvenBob..They (insurance companies) wrote the Obamacare law..
Quote: s2dbakerThe conservative Heritage Foundation wrote the law.
Quit being a sucker for the propaganda. Whoever you THINK
wrote it, Hillary or Jane Fonda or whatever foundation, it was
written in bits and pieces over the last 25 year by insurance
executives. They're the only ones that know the complications
of the business and they're the one's that stand to profit from
it. The gov't gets all that info and control, and the insurance
companies get all the profits. No bureaucrat wrote a word of
it, they wouldn't know how, no matter what 'foundation' they
belong to.
This is what the Heritage Foundation did and didn't do:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/story/2012-02-03/health-individual-mandate-reform-heritage/52951140/1
Quote: s2dbakerThe conservative Heritage Foundation wrote the law.
What a s2pid statement to make.
I think it's hilarious that the guy is trying to distance himself from his own idea.Quote: EvenBobQuit being a sucker for the propaganda. Whoever you THINK
wrote it, Hillary or Jane Fonda or whatever foundation, it was
written in bits and pieces over the last 25 year by insurance
executives. They're the only ones that know the complications
of the business and they're the one's that stand to profit from
it. The gov't gets all that info and control, and the insurance
companies get all the profits. No bureaucrat wrote a word of
it, they wouldn't know how, no matter what 'foundation' they
belong to.
This is what the Heritage Foundation did and didn't do:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/story/2012-02-03/health-individual-mandate-reform-heritage/52951140/1
Quote: s2dbakerI think it's hilarious that the guy is trying to distance himself from his own idea.
Let's see...so Obama opposed gay marriage in 2008, yet he supported it in 2012.
"I think it's hilarious that the guy distanced himself from his own idea!!" Don't you? :)
Quote: s2dbakerI think it's hilarious that the guy is trying to distance himself from his own idea.
Really? You read that whole thing and that's what you
got out of it? You say the HF wrote the WHOLE LAW,
and all they had was a kernel of an idea 20 years ago
that's been twisted and bastardized all out of proportion
to what it was originally. From that, you claim they wrote
2000 pages of Obamacare law.
Do you know how insane that is? You're so desperate to
blame the Right for this debacle, you'll say anything, I
guess.
Quote: EvenBobYou're so desperate to blame the Right for this debacle, you'll say anything, I guess.
Blame everyone else for anything negative.
Take credit for anything positive.
This administration is best at those two things. They aren't the best at helping Americans, foreign affairs, compromising on issues, or any of those leadership things; they are simply fantastic at trying to "credit" others for their failure and give no credit when their successes are part of something that has been going on for years. Don't get me wrong--all politicians do this to some degree. These folks are just better at it than others.
If they were only better at leading...
...and s2d2 says "We won"...yes, you did. How proud you must be of being part of the election of a President who is doing such a terrible job. That is the amazing thing. These folks are proud of how bad he is making things. They don't say much about the fact that those he wanted to help--poor and middle class people (getting your cousin Pookie a piece was one of his goals)--aren't faring so well under his leadership.
Quote: Beethoven9thPerhaps you missed the news. Holier-than-thou liberals want to BAN trans fats. So basically, they believe that the CHOICE to have an abortion is valid, but the CHOICE to eat trans fats is not.
Yes, this deserves another *facepalm*
Fine, a group wants to ban trans fats. Whats that have to do with me? Who cares what liberals think. I look at each issue independently.
Most people look at each issue independently. There is no liberal playbook that all on the left must follow.
Its a buffet, just like Christians.
You want to eat a ton of trans fats, fine, I could care less.
Again I could care less if you eat a gazillion tons of transfats.
Go ahead, eat, post it on youtube.
I'm an independent. I could care less about transfats.
Logic overrides your ridiculous facepalm.
More @ http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/12/03/report-obama-admin-using-honor-system-pay-insurance-companies
This is from Fox News but it isn't the source that is the problem, my friends.
They have announced a "fix" that isn't really a "fix" at all...shouldn't all of this have been worked out in the years since the bill was passed?
Let me show you something. It's a lot of words so I'll excerpt some of them.Quote: EvenBobReally? You read that whole thing and that's what you
got out of it?
Bolding mine.Quote: Heritage FoundationMany states now require passengers in automobiles to wear seatbelts for their own protection. Many others require anybody driving a car to have liability insurance. But neither the federal government nor any state requires all households to protect themselves from the potentially catastrophic costs of a serious accident or illness. Under the Heritage plan, there would be such a requirement. This mandate is based on two important principles. First, that health care protection is a responsibility of individuals, not businesses. Thus to the extent that anybody should be required to provide coverage to a family, the household mandate assumes that it is the family that carries the first responsibility. Second, it assumes that there is an implicit contract between households and society, based on the notion that health insurance is not like other forms of insurance protection.
Laws are hard work. Putting a conservative idea like Obamacare into law requires a lot of words. But the core of the Heritage Foundation plan is in there. If your objection to Obamacare is its wordiness then I'd like to suggest something simpler, Medicare for all.Quote: EvenBobYou say the HF wrote the WHOLE LAW,
and all they had was a kernel of an idea 20 years ago
that's been twisted and bastardized all out of proportion
to what it was originally. From that, you claim they wrote
2000 pages of Obamacare law.
Look who is desperately running away from their own idea now. If you want to know what insanity looks like, just pick up a mirror.Quote: EvenBobDo you know how insane that is? You're so desperate to
blame the Right for this debacle, you'll say anything, I
guess.
Quote: terapinedFine, a group wants to ban trans fats. Whats that have to do with me? Who cares what liberals think. I look at each issue independently.
Most people look at each issue independently. There is no liberal playbook that all on the left must follow.
Its a buffet, just like Christians.
You want to eat a ton of trans fats, fine, I could care less.
Again I could care less if you eat a gazillion tons of transfats.
Go ahead, eat, post it on youtube.
I'm an independent. I could care less about transfats.
Logic overrides your ridiculous facepalm.
We already know that you're pro-choice on abortion, but are you saying that you're pro-choice on trans fats too?
How about 20-ounce soda bottles?Quote: Beethoven9thWe already know that you're pro-choice on abortion, but are you saying that you're pro-choice on trans fats too?
Quote: EvenBobWhat nobody seems to get is, Obama is just the shill
for the insurance companies. They wrote the Obamacare
law, they're the ones profiting from it. Only it's not going
as planned, the gov't screwed it all up. But you don't see
spokespeople from insurance companies complaining, do
you. They still think this will be a windfall for them. They
never cared if we got proper care for the money we spent,
why should they start now. If they see they're going to get
screwed, like not enough young healthy people signing up,
then we'll hear the squealing from them.
Think about it. You sell a product that the gov't just made
mandatory, that you got to write the rules for. Would you
be complaining?
AARP was spamming members to support obamacare through mass mailings. Of course, the fact AARP stands to make a billion dollars over the next 10 years from obamacare had nothing to do with it. AARP was only thinking of what was best for their members.
Quote: s2dbakerIf your objection to Obamacare is its wordiness
My objection is, the HF DIDN'T WRITE IT, as you keep
claiming. They had an idea for exchanges 20 years
ago and the Libs even messed that up. The Left got
the insurance companies to piecemeal this law together
over a couple decades, that's why nobody knew what
was in it. Force people to buy a product, gee, you don't
think the suppliers of that product might be behind that,
do you? Blaming the Heritage Foundation is like blaming
Ben Franklin for the electric chair because he discovered
electricity with his kite. But that's what the Left does, attach
blame.
Nope, this anchor is tied securely around your man's neck.
He bet the farm on 'we'll find out what's in it after it's the
law'. He can't run, he can't hide, he can't blame, and
he can't talk himself out of this one. This is what happens
when you reach the Peter Principal point in your life, which
happened the day Obama took the oath of office.
Quote: Beethoven9thWe already know that you're pro-choice on abortion, but are you saying that you're pro-choice on trans fats too?
You are an intelligent person that looks at each issue independently.
I am a semi-intelligent person and I look at each issue independently.
I am pro choice, what does pro choice have to do with trans fats? There is no connection, 2 seperate issues.
Why is looking at each issue independently a "facepalm". You are getting pretty weird with all this "facepalm" BS
Why do you think I am against trans-fats? Have I ever posted an opinion before on being against trans fats?
Of course not, because, WTF are trans fats. How can I be against something I have no knowledge of.
Isn't is a stupid arguement to assume where I stand on particular issues?
By the way, spelling stupid, s2pid is stupid.
I dislike B9's stupid arguments such as assuming my positions to make a stupid arguement.
Only if Ben Franklin then recommended electrocuting prisoners with it. The conservative Heritage Foundation, as I've shown using their own document, suggested the mandate for every household. Or as we call it today, Obamacare.Quote: EvenBobBlaming the Heritage Foundation is like blaming
Ben Franklin for the electric chair because he discovered
electricity with his kite.
Never said there was. All I said was that I believe people should have a 'choice' on whether or not to eat trans fats. Liberals don't want people to have a choice. Therefore, they are pro-choice when it comes to abortion, but not when it comes to trans fats. Kind of a wacky position, but then again liberal positions are rarely consistent.Quote: terapinedI am pro choice, what does pro choice have to do with trans fats? There is no connection, 2 seperate issues.
I don't know what the big deal is. When I write *facepalm*, it's because I do just that!Quote: terapinedWhy is looking at each issue independently a "facepalm".
Just like when I write "lol". This board is an awesome source of entertainment, and many posts over the past year (varmenti, gr8player, etc) have me rolling.
So are you against them or not?Quote: terapinedWhy do you think I am against trans-fats?
Nah, I like 's2pid' better. ;)Quote: terapinedBy the way, spelling stupid, s2pid is stupid.
Quote: Beethoven9th
So are you against them or not?
I will repeat a previous post I made in this thread.
"You want to eat a ton of trans fats, fine, I could care less.
Again I could care less if you eat a gazillion tons of transfats.
Go ahead, eat, post it on youtube.
I'm an independent. I could care less about transfats."
After that statement, you still cant figure out where I stand?
Looks like i believe in freedom of choice and freedom to eat a gazillion tons of trans fats.
I'm rocking in the Free World, thanks again Neil.
Quote: terapinedLooks like i believe in freedom of choice and freedom to eat a gazillion tons of trans fats.
Well then at least you're consistent, so props to you. Most libs aren't.
Quote: s2dbakerThe conservative Heritage Foundation, as I've shown using their own document,
Odd that you never mentioned this before the Obamacare
website opened on Oct 1st. Why weren't you talking about
this a year ago. Because you didn't need somebody to
blame, then. It's only been recently that you've taken up
this ridiculous mantra. Nobodies buying it, but if it makes
you feel better for putting the Empty Suit back into office,
blame whoever you like. It changes nothing.
Quote: terapinedYou are an intelligent person that looks at each issue independently.
I am a semi-intelligent person and I look at each issue independently.
I am pro choice, what does pro choice have to do with trans fats? There is no connection, 2 seperate issues.
Why is looking at each issue independently a "facepalm". You are getting pretty weird with all this "facepalm" BS
Why do you think I am against trans-fats? Have I ever posted an opinion before on being against trans fats?
Of course not, because, WTF are trans fats. How can I be against something I have no knowledge of.
Isn't is a stupid arguement to assume where I stand on particular issues?
By the way, spelling stupid, s2pid is stupid.
I dislike B9's stupid arguments such as assuming my positions to make a stupid arguement.
Spelling argument "arguement", with spellcheck enabled, isn't very confidence building either.
http://content.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,67496434001_1966760,00.html
That word, "blame" that you keep using. I think you mean "congratulate". That empty suit just saved me 9% on my heath insurance premiums so I'm pretty good with that. More empty suit please!!Quote: EvenBobOdd that you never mentioned this before the Obamacare
website opened on Oct 1st. Why weren't you talking about
this a year ago. Because you didn't need somebody to
blame, then. It's only been recently that you've taken up
this ridiculous mantra. Nobodies buying it, but if it makes
you feel better for putting the Empty Suit back into office,
blame whoever you like. It changes nothing.
A new and shocking poll from Harvard University's Institute of Politics released Wednesday found that younger Americans are so disgusted with President Obama, Congress and the troubled Obamacare system that 47 percent support recalling the president and just 29 percent are planning to sign up for health insurance."
"Worse, by a margin of more than two-to-one, 44 percent of millennials believe that the quality of their care will get worse under the Affordable Care Act and 50 percent believe their cost of care will increase."
They need to talk to s2d, he'll set the straight. lol
http://washingtonexaminer.com/harvard-millennials-want-obama-recalled-wont-sign-up-for-obamacare/article/2540139
Quote: s2bakerThat empty suit just saved me 9% on my heath insurance premiums so I'm pretty good with that.
Not a chance. I don't believe that for one minute. I'd like to see some kind of proof.
Proof on page 49 of this thread.Quote: KeyserNot a chance. I don't believe that for one minute. I'd like to see some kind of proof.
Quote: s2dbakerProof on page 49 of this thread.
LOL! I missed that the first time. I can show you an
invoice where I pay any amount you can name. You
can doctor anything you want on the net. Ask Keyser,
he used to post bogus online casino readouts where
he won a million dollars. Your invoice is meaningless.
Like a broken clock is right twice a day, you are absolutely right in this case, but then no amount of proof is ever going to be sufficient in this circumstance. So don't take my word for it. Discover it for yourself.Quote: EvenBobQuote: s2dbakerProof on page 49 of this thread.
LOL! I missed that the first time. I can show you an
invoice where I pay any amount you can name. You
can doctor anything you want on the net. Ask Keyser,
he used to post bogus online casino readouts where
he won a million dollars. Your invoice is meaningless.
Quote: s2dbakerYou are absolutely right, but then no amount of proof is ever going to be sufficient in this circumstance. So don't take my word for it. Discover it for yourself.
I am. I'm hearing horror stories in my wife's family
all the time of people going nuts because their
insurance is now more than their mortgage, and
their deductible in 6 or 8 or 10K. But I feel better
because I just saw a Dem senator on Fox say
in 5-6 years we won't remember any of this and
everybody will be happy. Translation: He'll be out
of office and he'll be happy to be out of this national
nightmare.
Quote: KeyserNot a chance. I don't believe that for one minute. I'd like to see some kind of proof.
Keyser, I realize that I'm not supplying any proof of the following so obviously you can choose not to believe me.
I used the healthcare.gov website and I found it to have a premium that is 10% less than what my policy currently costs.
Chances are that I won't be using it since my premiums are 65% paid by a company that I do some work for currently. However, the options are being examined by the company (by me actually) to determine whether our current insurance broker for our group policy will be able to reduce the company's premiums in a similar amount. If not, one of the options being examined is whether we can give the employees the current 65% and have them go to healthcare.gov to obtain a policy. A seemingly win/win situation.
Sorry, this is the internet. I don't believe you.Quote: EvenBobI am. I'm hearing horror stories in my wife's family
all the time of people going nuts because their
insurance is now more than their mortgage, and
their deductible in 6 or 8 or 10K.
Quote: s2dbakerSorry, this is the internet. I don't believe you.
You beat me to it. Any photos of Bob's family members could be those fake ones they sell with new picture frames
Then do you believe the polls?Quote: s2dbakerSorry, this is the internet. I don't believe you.
58% of Americans oppose Obamacare
Or do you only believe them when you like the result?
The Democrats will keep scrambling until then.
