First presidential debate
October 4th, 2012 at 9:58:21 AM
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I've only seen summaries, but interested on what the real Americans think... what's your general thoughts on the first presidential debate?
I've seen it reported as dull and not very interesting... Obama sticking to his standard messages and plans, and Romney hardly inspiring anyone, not least the "47%".
I've seen it reported as dull and not very interesting... Obama sticking to his standard messages and plans, and Romney hardly inspiring anyone, not least the "47%".
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
October 4th, 2012 at 10:29:46 AM
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Quote: thecesspitI've only seen summaries, but interested on what the real Americans think... what's your general thoughts on the first presidential debate?
I've seen it reported as dull and not very interesting... Obama sticking to his standard messages and plans, and Romney hardly inspiring anyone, not least the "47%".
I didn't watch, but based on my twitter/facebook which leans strongly liberal democrat, Obama tried to stick to facts and reality and was thus pwned by Romney since he lives in la-la land and didn't provide any details or facts about his proposals and ideas (or when he used facts they were false).
Again, this was my perception of my friends' perceptions, not my opinion and certainly not the whole truth, as I mentioned the biases already.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
October 4th, 2012 at 10:51:52 AM
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Obama and Romney had their talking points ready but Romney was hectoring and shrill. Obama brought the No Drama Obama facade but it seems that people think that brow beating the moderator is what wins debates these days. Romney promised to repeal Obamacare and replace it with something that sure sounds an awful lot like Obamacare. Romney also primised big tax cuts but without increasing the deficit and the said something about not cutting taxes. I guess it sounded good because the consensus is that he won the debate. I guess I was watching some other debate.
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
October 4th, 2012 at 11:05:44 AM
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DISCLAIMER: I have only seen about 1/3 of it so far, so most of my comments are based on wide-reading of commentary today.
Obama has gone 6 years on the national stage being coddled and never being challenged. Remember Hillary Clinton suggesting he should be asked if he wants a pillow for his chair? Well, last night that changed.
The analogy I have been using is from "Rocky IV" when Rocky cuts the Russian. The Russian is amazed, having been taught he was indestructible. Rocky's (nee Apollo Creed's) trainer uses it as motivation to tell Rocky the Russian in human, nothing more. The Russian's corner is in disbelief this can happen.
Last night, Romney cut Obama with a righ hook.
It was so one-sided that the lamestream media isn't even trying to say "Romeny probably won, but Obama did good by........" Instead we are hearing every excuse imaginable from the moderator to "thin air" in Denver. I am suprised nobody on Obama's team has blamed the guy who invented the TV, for if not for him it would not have been televised.
It will be Monday before all of this settles in the polls. With Ryan a heavy favorite against Biden, at best the Obama Team will be 2-2 in the debates. I look for Obama to overcorrect his style in the next one, similar to Gore in 2000.
Obama has gone 6 years on the national stage being coddled and never being challenged. Remember Hillary Clinton suggesting he should be asked if he wants a pillow for his chair? Well, last night that changed.
The analogy I have been using is from "Rocky IV" when Rocky cuts the Russian. The Russian is amazed, having been taught he was indestructible. Rocky's (nee Apollo Creed's) trainer uses it as motivation to tell Rocky the Russian in human, nothing more. The Russian's corner is in disbelief this can happen.
Last night, Romney cut Obama with a righ hook.
It was so one-sided that the lamestream media isn't even trying to say "Romeny probably won, but Obama did good by........" Instead we are hearing every excuse imaginable from the moderator to "thin air" in Denver. I am suprised nobody on Obama's team has blamed the guy who invented the TV, for if not for him it would not have been televised.
It will be Monday before all of this settles in the polls. With Ryan a heavy favorite against Biden, at best the Obama Team will be 2-2 in the debates. I look for Obama to overcorrect his style in the next one, similar to Gore in 2000.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
October 4th, 2012 at 11:15:07 AM
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Wow, the odds on Pinnacle have changed quite a bit since the debate. As I recall, Obama was running at about -450 before the debate. Here are the odds right now:
Obama: -293
Romney: +259
I admit Romney won, but in my opinion it wasn't he the wipe-out everybody is making it look like. My two cents is that the market is overreacting, and this is a good time to buy Obama.
Obama: -293
Romney: +259
I admit Romney won, but in my opinion it wasn't he the wipe-out everybody is making it look like. My two cents is that the market is overreacting, and this is a good time to buy Obama.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
October 4th, 2012 at 11:21:05 AM
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I think watching one hour of Big Bang Theory reruns instead was a better use fo my time. The second one was the ep that tells of Leonard's early days wih Sheldon, after all. Such episodes are always instant classics ;)
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
October 4th, 2012 at 11:28:54 AM
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Here's what happened. Romney debated like he was running
for president of the US. Obama debated like he was running
for president of his high school chess club. And like he forgot
to use the bathroom before it started. Standing on one leg,
fidgiting, constantly looking down scribbling notes, making it
seem like he didn't want to be there.
I'm sure he'll do better next time. He just has to act like he
wants to be president for 4 more years, which he obviously
doesn't.
for president of the US. Obama debated like he was running
for president of his high school chess club. And like he forgot
to use the bathroom before it started. Standing on one leg,
fidgiting, constantly looking down scribbling notes, making it
seem like he didn't want to be there.
I'm sure he'll do better next time. He just has to act like he
wants to be president for 4 more years, which he obviously
doesn't.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 4th, 2012 at 11:33:35 AM
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Romney was much better prepared, had much better ideas and completely lambasted the president. The most telling were the "fixes" Obama said were needed to the very same problems he said he had fixes for 4 years ago and Romney jumped all over them. One in particular about how Obama said he's done drastic things to reduce the deficit, yet Romney asked him then why has the deficit increased by a trillion each year he's been there, to which the prez had no answer.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."-Ben Franklin
October 4th, 2012 at 11:36:30 AM
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Quote: NickyDimRomney was much better prepared, had much better ideas and completely lambasted the president. The most telling were the "fixes" Obama said were needed to the very same problems he said he had fixes for 4 years ago and Romney jumped all over them. One in particular about how Obama said he's done drastic things to reduce the deficit, yet Romney asked him then why has the deficit increased by a trillion each year he's been there, to which the prez had no answer.
Or put another way, Romney did the job the media was supposed to be doing for the last 4 years.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
October 4th, 2012 at 11:54:18 AM
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Whats funny today is, the Left is just floored that
Romney could do so well, and Obama could do
so poorly. But nobody on the Right is surprised
at all. The Left makes up a bunch of lies, and
then believes them! Romney is dull, Romney is
unlikable, Romney can't communicate effectively.
Then they are flummoxed when none of it is true.
The Right knows Obama is totally lost without a
teleprompter, where he can mouth the words somebody
else wrote for him. Letting him speak on his own
about his own policies is a recipe for disaster. He
has no idea whats going on in his own WH, he
delegates all that to somebody else so he can play
golf.
Romney could do so well, and Obama could do
so poorly. But nobody on the Right is surprised
at all. The Left makes up a bunch of lies, and
then believes them! Romney is dull, Romney is
unlikable, Romney can't communicate effectively.
Then they are flummoxed when none of it is true.
The Right knows Obama is totally lost without a
teleprompter, where he can mouth the words somebody
else wrote for him. Letting him speak on his own
about his own policies is a recipe for disaster. He
has no idea whats going on in his own WH, he
delegates all that to somebody else so he can play
golf.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 4th, 2012 at 12:11:32 PM
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You think Romney was likeable in that debate?
He won, but I don't think he scored any likeability points.
He won, but I don't think he scored any likeability points.
October 4th, 2012 at 12:16:10 PM
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Quote: FinsRuleYou think Romney was likeable in that debate?
He won, but I don't think he scored any likeability points.
In the CNN poll last night, Romney was more likable
than Obama. I never get why the Left says Romney
is unlikable. Obama is smug and arrogant and they
love him.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 4th, 2012 at 12:16:15 PM
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Quote: FinsRuleYou think Romney was likeable in that debate?
He won, but I don't think he scored any likeability points.
the snap polls after the debate has his likability at 56% which is higher than it has ever been
October 4th, 2012 at 12:26:55 PM
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The excuses start:
The air was too thin for Obama. Really? I mean, really?
Obama was so upset at FOX for playing that 2007 video
of him that he couldn't concentrate for fear of being taken
for an angry black man. Even though Obama has said many
times that neither him or Michelle ever watch the cable
news ahows.
That was not the 'real' Romney last night. It was the coached
and fake Romney, not the one who hates poor people, who
killed a man's wife at Bain, who has all his money in the Cayman
islands.
There'll be a lot more excuses coming, just give them time.
The air was too thin for Obama. Really? I mean, really?
Obama was so upset at FOX for playing that 2007 video
of him that he couldn't concentrate for fear of being taken
for an angry black man. Even though Obama has said many
times that neither him or Michelle ever watch the cable
news ahows.
That was not the 'real' Romney last night. It was the coached
and fake Romney, not the one who hates poor people, who
killed a man's wife at Bain, who has all his money in the Cayman
islands.
There'll be a lot more excuses coming, just give them time.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 4th, 2012 at 12:48:20 PM
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Obama should have worn this last night...It really would have helped him!!
October 4th, 2012 at 12:59:40 PM
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Quote: AZDuffmanInstead we are hearing every excuse imaginable from the moderator to "thin air" in Denver.
That Moderator sucked, I've detailed that in another thread. Romney won the Debate soundly and fairly, you Debate with the Moderator you have, but that guy sucked. The Debate was not at all enjoyable to watch because of that clown, and I have no concern with who wins the Debate or not. My vote is already set, unless the individual with whom I vote traded changes his vote.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
October 4th, 2012 at 1:27:54 PM
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Quote: vert1276
At least it would have prevented him from looking
down all the time. In debate class in college, looking
down was a big no-no. It means your not engaged
in what the other guy is saying, it looks like you're
not paying attention. But its very hard for Obama
to control his smirks and condecention, so I think
it was a defence mechanism to stop him from looking
like a total narcissistic dweeb. At least he didn't put
his head back and look down his nose at Romney,
thats my fave Obama pose.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 4th, 2012 at 1:28:10 PM
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I had somewhere between "little" interest in the debate and "none at all". My wife had it on the tube while I was in the next room. I could hear most of what was said but not all and could see nothing of their expressions, reactions, or gestures.
Given that very-limited observation position, my impression was that Romney came across better. Obama's voice and sentence structure made it seem that he really wished that he had a teleprompter with his prepared answer in front of him. I have no idea whether Obama's "facts" or Romney's "facts" were more accurate, but the network analyst later covered two points and declared each candidate's claims as "Mostly False." Romney came across as more confident and his message came across as being more convincing, based on a shaky assumption that they were both telling the truth.
Given that very-limited observation position, my impression was that Romney came across better. Obama's voice and sentence structure made it seem that he really wished that he had a teleprompter with his prepared answer in front of him. I have no idea whether Obama's "facts" or Romney's "facts" were more accurate, but the network analyst later covered two points and declared each candidate's claims as "Mostly False." Romney came across as more confident and his message came across as being more convincing, based on a shaky assumption that they were both telling the truth.
October 4th, 2012 at 1:42:19 PM
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These guys both acted like they were regurgitating memorized lines to me. The NC Governors debate before the Presidential debate was much better. I remember a Pol Sci professor in my youth who said that democracies were unstable and would degenerate into either socialism or fascism. Looks like the country is squaring off to decide which is better since nobody believes in compromise any more.
Gambling is a metaphor for life. Hang around long enough and it's all gone.
October 4th, 2012 at 1:57:00 PM
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There was baseball on last night. Being the All-American sort, that's what I was watching!
Each of us is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.
Preparing for a fight about your bad decision is not as smart as making a good decision.
October 4th, 2012 at 2:43:58 PM
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Quote: Mission146That Moderator sucked, I've detailed that in another thread. Romney won the Debate soundly and fairly, you Debate with the Moderator you have, but that guy sucked. The Debate was not at all enjoyable to watch because of that clown, and I have no concern with who wins the Debate or not. My vote is already set, unless the individual with whom I vote traded changes his vote.
The point is the Obama people ate blaming the moderator just as a poor football coach blames bad weather. The reply then is "the other team had to play on it too." Romney had the same moderator.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
October 4th, 2012 at 3:32:47 PM
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Quote: AZDuffmanThe point is the Obama people ate blaming the moderator just as a poor football coach blames bad weather. The reply then is "the other team had to play on it too." Romney had the same moderator.
You can be a decent football coach and reasonably blame the weather, if you're a pass-heavy team going up against a rush-heavy team in heavy winds, then you will be at a comparative (to fair weather) disadvantage.
Sometimes weather is an explanation, not an excuse.
In this case, however, I agree that the complete and total sucktitude of this Moderator should not have had an impact on either opponent. None that I can think of, anyway.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
October 4th, 2012 at 3:40:01 PM
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The only people tying Obama's performance to the suckitude of Jim Lehrer are the conservatards. I thought Obama did just fine.
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
October 4th, 2012 at 3:49:31 PM
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Quote: s2dbakerThe only people tying Obama's performance to the suckitude of Jim Lehrer are the conservatards. I thought Obama did just fine.
I guess that says it all. Conservatards? Is somebody
upset that the smartest president we've ever had
can't think on his feet? Just wait, there's two more
debates to go. Maybe next time Obama will do a little
better than he did in Clint Eastwood's empty chair. But
I'm not betting on it..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 4th, 2012 at 4:03:14 PM
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Quote: EvenBob
But its very hard for Obama
to control his smirks and condecention, so I think
it was a defence mechanism to stop him from looking
like a total narcissistic dweeb.
Bob, when you choose to be condescending, and use the word itself in your diatribe, please at least spell the word correctly... http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/condescension
October 4th, 2012 at 4:04:00 PM
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Sensitive much?Quote: EvenBobI guess that says it all. Conservatards?
Like I said above, Obama did just fine.Quote: EvenBobIs somebody upset that the smartest president we've ever had can't think on his feet?
To which I am thoroughly looking forward.Quote: EvenBobJust wait, there's two more debates to go.
Watching Mitt Romney lose a debate to that empty chair was awesome. By the way, the first polling results are out and Mitt Romney has taken the lead!! Okay, not really. Actually it shows that among independent voters, Obama gained support and among the conservatards, Romney gained support. Democrats still support Obama.Quote: EvenBobMaybe next time Obama will do a little better than he did in Clint Eastwood's empty chair. But I'm not betting on it..
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
October 4th, 2012 at 4:08:32 PM
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Quote: midwestgbplease at least spell the word correctly..
Nope, I don't want to.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 4th, 2012 at 4:15:47 PM
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Whats interesting is John Kerry wiped the floor with
Bush in all 3 debates in 2004. Bush was ahead by 11
points before the 1st debate and ahead by only 3 at
the end of the 3rd debate. Obama and Romney were
very close in the polls before the 1st debate, it will
be interesting to see what happens. Thats why Kerry
was Obama's debate coach, he whipped the crap out
of Bush.
The 2nd debate is a town hall meeting, one on one with
the audience, something thats not Obama's strong
suit. He tends to insert his foot in his mouth all the way
up to the knee when he has to talk off the cuff. Romney
is super in these settings, so this will have a lot of
scrutiny from the media. They're already fabricating
excuses for Obama, I'm sure.
Bush in all 3 debates in 2004. Bush was ahead by 11
points before the 1st debate and ahead by only 3 at
the end of the 3rd debate. Obama and Romney were
very close in the polls before the 1st debate, it will
be interesting to see what happens. Thats why Kerry
was Obama's debate coach, he whipped the crap out
of Bush.
The 2nd debate is a town hall meeting, one on one with
the audience, something thats not Obama's strong
suit. He tends to insert his foot in his mouth all the way
up to the knee when he has to talk off the cuff. Romney
is super in these settings, so this will have a lot of
scrutiny from the media. They're already fabricating
excuses for Obama, I'm sure.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 4th, 2012 at 4:17:12 PM
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The debates just aren't that important. Recent history has shown that the candidate most often judged to have won the debate, did not win the election. Now, I am not just saying this because, the candidate, I am backing did poorly, and yes he did do poorly. I don't think one candidate doing well, as Mr Romney did, or one candidate doing poorly, as president Obama, clearly did, moves the needle much, UNLESS there is some kind of a major gaffe or occurrence and as much as you guys would like to think there was, there really wasn't. If the polling numbers in coming days change dramatically in places like Ohio, Wisconsin and Iowa, then we will talk about a game changer. But this isn't going to be the case, and everyone, even those praying until their knees hurt, knows it. In the absence of a 10 point Ohio swing, Mr Romney is a long-shot. Not just an underdog, but a long-shot.
IMO, an event that could be much more of a trouble spot for the president could be the job numbers on Friday. Poor Jobs numbers with an unexpected spike in Unemployment could be a game changer. But, it would need to be a spike. 8.1 to 8.3%, while high, and unacceptable to most folks, has already been figured into the equation.
IMO, an event that could be much more of a trouble spot for the president could be the job numbers on Friday. Poor Jobs numbers with an unexpected spike in Unemployment could be a game changer. But, it would need to be a spike. 8.1 to 8.3%, while high, and unacceptable to most folks, has already been figured into the equation.
October 4th, 2012 at 4:21:52 PM
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Quote: kewljMr Romney is a long-shot. Not just an underdog, but a long-shot.
For a long shot, the Lib's were sure upset last night
and today. Hysterical and despondent about covers
it. They were coming unglued and its still going on.
Why, if Romney winning is such a 'long shot', as you seem
to think? Why indeed...
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 4th, 2012 at 4:26:46 PM
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It is to be expected. Even if we accept as true that Romney is a long-shot, (and I would personally put him as better than a long-shot, but worse than merely an underdog) I think that the Liberals considered him, "No shot," prior to the Debate, so any shot is worse. I don't think that very many people who did not already think Obama was going to lose do so now, it just got upgraded to a remote possibility from, "When Hell freezes over."
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
October 4th, 2012 at 4:39:53 PM
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Quote: Mission146It is to be expected. Even if we accept as true that Romney is a long-shot, (and I would personally put him as better than a long-shot, but worse than merely an underdog) I think that the Liberals considered him, "No shot," prior to the Debate, so any shot is worse. I don't think that very many people who did not already think Obama was going to lose do so now, it just got upgraded to a remote possibility from, "When Hell freezes over."
That's basically correct. The libs wanted an early knockout. Wanted the race to be over. Wanted to be on the way to a huge Obama win, where coattails would result in not only keeping control of the senate, but the longer odds possibility of taking back the house. That probably was never going to happen. And many folks think this a good thing. They think it best when one chamber remains in each party control.
Now speaking of hell freezing over...in watching the president speak in Colorado today before heading out, I couldn't help but notice everyone bundled in thick coats as if in the dead of winter. Poor saps. It's still summertime here in Vegas. Almost touched 100 yesterday, topping out officially at 99 degrees. They say that will be the last time we approach 100 this year. The forecast is for beautiful 80 degree weather for the next 10 days, so while I don't own a winter coat, no need to think about breaking out even the long pants for a while. :) I feel sad for folks where winter is well under way in early october.
October 4th, 2012 at 4:51:20 PM
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Quote: kewljI feel sad for folks where winter is well under way in early october.
Where's that, Nome AK? You think winter is 'well underway'
on Oct 4th anywhere in the lower 48 because you saw some
people with coats on? Here's the temps for tomorrow across
the nation. And this is winter to you?
Atlanta, GA 76 Los Angeles, CA 72
Boston, MA 59 Miami, FL 84
Chicago, IL 62 New York, NY 73
Dallas, TX 85 Omaha, NE 56
Denver, CO 48 Phoenix, AZ 98
Detroit, MI 71 Pittsburgh, PA 70
Las Vegas, NV 92 Seattle, WA 64
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 4th, 2012 at 4:57:15 PM
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I feel sorry for you guys! Bring Winter on!!!
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October 4th, 2012 at 4:59:18 PM
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Cheers, I knew summaries here would be biased in both directions, but that's kind of what I wanted to hear, as it's always interesting to get a varieties of views on (American) politics.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
October 4th, 2012 at 5:19:27 PM
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Oh shush, Bob, enough out of you. Here you go cherry-picking places to fit your needs. What about, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming....all places with highs in the 40's today. Interestingly enough your list of warm places consists mostly of democratic areas, while my list of colder areas is all republican areas, just proving that repubs are generally cold people, while Dems are warm and friendly. :)
October 4th, 2012 at 5:21:19 PM
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Quote: kewljWhat about, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming....all places with highs in the 40's today. )
High 40's is winter? In Jan, if it hits the high 40's,
people wear shorts and tee shirts to the store. Its
a heat wave. You think I'm joking?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 4th, 2012 at 5:28:19 PM
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I think this pronouncement of liberal pearl clutching by the conservatives amounts to a lot of wishful self deception. I didn't encounter any liberals that were "hysterical", "despondent" or "coming unglued". I think Obama did just fine. On MSNBC last night, Chris Matthews seems a little disappointed that Obama didn't call Romney out on more of his lies than he did but Matthew's assessment was far from "coming unglued".Quote: EvenBobFor a long shot, the Lib's were sure upset last night
and today. Hysterical and despondent about covers
it. They were coming unglued and its still going on.
Why, if Romney winning is such a 'long shot', as you seem
to think? Why indeed...
If Bob wants to think that liberals are gnashing teeth and rending cloth, I see no harm in it but like most things in conservativeworld, it's just not true.
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
October 4th, 2012 at 5:34:38 PM
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Quote: s2dbakerI think this is pronouncement of liberal pearl clutching by the conservatives amounts to a lot of wishful self deception..
This from the NYT:
"..Romney's path to victory remains extremely difficult to map.
And if he gains more than three points.. then a lot of
conservatives will start tuning in to MSNBC just for the schadenfreude."
Even some of the Lib pundits are predicting a 5-7
point bump. But not to worry, everybody knows
Romney is a 'long shot' and the Lib's are just
laughing it off and already spending all the money
they bet on Obama.
http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/04/a-rout-and-its-consequences/
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 4th, 2012 at 5:34:47 PM
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I think Obama came up a little short last nite, Isn't he supposed to be a really good master debater? :)
October 4th, 2012 at 5:41:24 PM
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I think it's really cute how people think it makes much of a difference who wins.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
October 4th, 2012 at 6:19:30 PM
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Quote: NareedI think it's really cute how people think it makes much of a difference who wins.
You're right, no difference between Carter and Reagan.
No difference between Dole and Clinton. Kerry and
Bush. Why vote, they're all identical. I think its really
cute how clueless some people are when it comes
to politics.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 4th, 2012 at 8:59:14 PM
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Quote: NareedI think it's really cute how people think it makes much of a difference who wins.
I don't really appreciate the patronizing.
But hey, it's really great to have you back.
October 4th, 2012 at 9:01:05 PM
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Quote: NareedI think it's really cute how people think it makes much of a difference who wins.
It makes a huge difference, there are bets riding on it all over the place!
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
October 4th, 2012 at 9:28:06 PM
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Quote: Mission146It makes a huge difference, there are bets riding on it all over the place!
It makes a difference, in that sense.
For a huge difference, in that sense, try the Super Bowl :P
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
October 4th, 2012 at 9:30:18 PM
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Quote: thecesspit. what's your general thoughts on the first presidential debate?
Didn't see it.
Don't plan on watching the others.
Don't much give a damn.
"What, me worry?"
October 4th, 2012 at 10:05:48 PM
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The debate was a blowout win for Romney. CNN (very left) said that according to the post debate poll, that this was the most decisive win by a presidential candidate since 1984.
Al Gore blames Obama's poor debate performance on the altitude. I believe that global warming may also have been having an effect on Obama.
Bill Maher's comments said it best, "Obama made a lot of great points tonight, unfortunately most of them were for Romney."
Al Gore blames Obama's poor debate performance on the altitude. I believe that global warming may also have been having an effect on Obama.
Bill Maher's comments said it best, "Obama made a lot of great points tonight, unfortunately most of them were for Romney."
October 4th, 2012 at 10:12:58 PM
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My vote has not changed.
NONE OF THE ABOVE.
Throw out the Socialist, and the Pro-Wealthy, and try again.
No one has yet said increase the SS tax, and level the income tax.
NONE OF THE ABOVE.
Throw out the Socialist, and the Pro-Wealthy, and try again.
No one has yet said increase the SS tax, and level the income tax.
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
