Remember When
Quote: LarrySIf they approach it as an opportuinty to have "fun".....then better chance they will alter their senses and mental acuity with free alcohol, and joke around with friends and not pay full attention....and the house who already has an edge....now has a bigger one.
This gets to why I resent casinos so much. They've
done everything they can to rope in the chumps,
and they indeed look at their customers as chumps.
I resent this because I'm not a chump, and don't
like being treated like one. But they don't know that,
so I just look at them as kind of pathetic. Hard to
have a pleasant relationship when one side thinks
you're an idiot, and the other side thinks they're
pathetic.
Quote: LarryS'FUN" is what people hide behind when they go to gamble and they lose. The " I lost 300 but at least I had fun" angle.
Casinos want people to approach it as an opportunity to "have fun"...rather than a serious endeavor to try to make money.
If they approach it as an opportuinty to have "fun".....then better chance they will alter their senses and mental acuity with free alcohol, and joke around with friends and not pay full attention....and the house who already has an edge....now has a bigger one.
In another thread didn't you say that you play craps? We all know that you don't win at that (no one does). So why are you doing it if not for fun?
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceIn another thread didn't you say that you play craps? We all know that you don't win at that (no one does). So why are you doing it if not for fun?
Over the last 15 years I play poker and sports betting. I occasionally play craps. In the long run I will lose. On a given day when I play craps twice a year, I am looking to win THAT day.
If you give me the choice of winning 500 dollars over a grinding 2 hours session, with stuffy dealers, none of my friends around, some guy blowing smoke in my face at the table
or
having a blast for 2 hours, seeing people I know at the table, HI-fiving my buddies, havng dealers entertain me, telling jokes, making comments, having a lady in a low cut dress roll the dice on the opposite end of the table from me, drinking like a fish,,...and losing 500..\
I would go with the original "grind" with no "fun"...and pocket the 500....because I am honest with myself. I gamble to try to make money. If I lose...I dont hide under my mommies dress and proclaim "i had fun".
I have NEVER left a casino with a win, and complained to myself that my quota of "fun" was not attained.
And I have never left the casino with a loss.....and used the "fun" angle as a make believe security blanket
Quote: LarrySI occasionally play craps. In the long run I will lose. On a given day when I play craps twice a year, I am looking to win THAT day.
You might be looking to win (of course everyone wants to win) but you seem to understand that you will probably lose (and certainly lose in the long run). So, why do you play? The obvious answer is that you enjoy it. Is there a different reason?
Frequency isn't really the issue here. Whether you play twice a week or twice a year... why play a -EV game at all if you don't enjoy it?
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceYou might be looking to win (of course everyone wants to win)
They do? The other day you said the majority know
its against them winning and they know they'll
probably lose.
Of course they want to win, because they're ignorant
of what they're up against. Just like the Wiz says in
the interview he did in the UK, the vast majority of
players have no idea whats really going on. Which is
what you climbed all over me for saying last week.
Quote: EvenBobThey do? The other day you said the majority know
its against them winning and they know they'll
probably lose.
Yes, exactly. I said that too. People want to win but know that they probably won't.
Quote:Of course they want to win, because they're ignorant of what they're up against.
This makes no sense. If they expected to win that would show ignorance. They do not expect to win, they just want to win.
Saying that I want something is very different from saying that I expect it. When I play a hand of video poker I want a royal flush, but I don't expect it.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceYou might be looking to win (of course everyone wants to win) but you seem to understand that you will probably lose (and certainly lose in the long run). So, why do you play? The obvious answer is that you enjoy it. Is there a different reason?
Frequency isn't really the issue here. Whether you play twice a week or twice a year... why play a -EV game at all if you don't enjoy it?
using that logic, everyone that goes to work..."enjoys " their job No one goes to work solely to make money.
and no one goes to gamble with the sole intention to make mioney...knowing full well that they can lose....but still with the intention to make money/
I will move my future comments to another thread so as not to hijack this really good thread
Quote: LarrySusing that logic, everyone that goes to work..."enjoys " their job No one goes to work solely to make money.
I go to work solely to make money. Is there another reason?
Trust me, there are places that I would rather be.
The call for interest just went around the office here, a few bucks to waste why not? The hardest thing seems to be for them to decide what provider to use to host the pool. Hard to imagine you used to have to do it on paper.
On arcades: Oh how far they have fallen. I remember when they were a big deal. We'd have a dollar (enough to get a meal's worth of candy and still have two quarters to burn) and go play Samurai Showdown at the local pizza joint or pinball at the bowling alley. Occasionally, someone would have a fiver and we'd have an orgy. I'll never forget when my best friend had a whole $20 to spend. 80 quarters! What a day that was. Now, it's a wasteland. I took my kid to an arcade last month and it was just sad. I don't play games on my phone, and my phone still has more games on it than that arcade had. Hell, they still had Daytona USA! Yeah, it's a legendary game, but that was that place's premiere racing game. C'mon, man. That was already getting old when I was a kid.
On maintenance: I've given up some things. The last time I changed my oil, I got rained on for 30 minutes will all the salt and ice melting off my truck and got sand and rust in my eye. While sitting in the emergency room, I said to myself "I make too much money to be doing this now" and haven't changed my oil since. Yeah, I still wrench; almost have my race car completed and did everything myself. But some things are better off left to someone with more patience.
Somewhere, there's a 2004 Ram with dimples on the fender where I punched it, some time passed the 2nd hour of trying to just replace a goddam headlight bulb. It took almost three hours and my wrists were shredded from trying to wiggle my hand into where the plug was. Unreal. But my Silverado now just has a little bar that holds the entire assembly in. Pull it out, remove the assembly, unplug the light, replace. No joke, I can go from blown headlight to new headlight using not a single tool in about 20 seconds. It takes longer to walk to the door and pop the hood than it does to fix the bulb. It's a dream come true.
Quote: FaceI missed all this while on vacay =(
On arcades: Oh how far they have fallen. I remember when they were a big deal. We'd have a dollar (enough to get a meal's worth of candy and still have two quarters to burn) and go play Samurai Showdown at the local pizza joint or pinball at the bowling alley. Occasionally, someone would have a fiver and we'd have an orgy. I'll never forget when my best friend had a whole $20 to spend. 80 quarters! What a day that was. Now, it's a wasteland. I took my kid to an arcade last month and it was just sad. I don't play games on my phone, and my phone still has more games on it than that arcade had. Hell, they still had Daytona USA! Yeah, it's a legendary game, but that was that place's premiere racing game. C'mon, man. That was already getting old when I was a kid.
Arcades seem to have peaked during the early-mid 90s. Video games made the constant hunt for quarters to play arcades obsolete. However in Japan they still have arcade joints that are part of a mall or shopping center, with brand new games. Most people still flock to the fighting games. Driving sims are popular too, as well as shooting games. Remember "House of the Dead"? Horrible graphics and dubbing but great game.
Now you walk into subway and the meats are presliced, god forbid you should get an extra slice, Small amounts of meat...but as a consolation you can get a bunch of veggies. And a spokesperson for the products says it a great way to LOSE WEIGHT
Even the bread is airy.
And pizza....mom and pop only needed a few toppings.....and the slices were 8 per pie, and they had to be held with 2 hands because the slices drooped down.
Now if a slice droops down people will claim it was undercooked. Now slices are slivers,that stand out like a piece of cardboard with some sauce and cheese on it.
There was a time when zero toppings gave you a flavorful slice of pizza. If you asked for 2 toppings people would look at you like you were nuts,,,you were ruining the taste of the pizza. Now pile the toppings high and drown out the taste of the cheap cheese and sauce,
as mom and pop places like this are replaced by chains,,,,there are generations of people who dont know the difference between quality and crap
Franchises used to be a good deal when first started. Now you need to be a millionaire to buy one, and usually you need to buy 10 or 12 in a good territory.
I know some owners who tried to hang on to no avail. Coupons and specials from the competition. Guy owns 10-20 franchise store, he can have one store losing money, till mom and pop give up.
Here in Clifton, population 8,000, but first exit after coming thru the mountains, 2 small restaurants. Starvin Arvins and Randy's.
Owner of Arvins a nice guy. I almost sold my car to a ex-waitress of his. She was on chemo for breast cancer at the time. He test drove the car for her, but then offered his 2002 Saturn gratis to her.
Randy opened his place 2 years ago in an old sports bar.
Arvin's business down about 50%, Randy just breakfast and lunch now. Denny's opened last year, gets most of thru traffic from I70,
and locals love half price coupons.
Worse yet, if Denny's eggs get any smaller, they will have to buy them from pigeons.
A statement true in many areas of our lives where price is the only comparison point. Online shopping is having a dent in tax values of shopping centers nationwide. Why go to a mall... Fed Ex can have it here tomorrow and its 0.01 cent cheaper.Quote: LarrySas mom and pop places like this are replaced by chains,,,,there are generations of people who dont know the difference between quality and crap
Remember when a coffee merchant would come out and greet the people waiting on the sidewalk saying she was counting the cash box and as soon as she finished that she would let them all in early?
Remember when sub shops in downtown NYC were owned by a millionaire bum? Or did you think the play Subways Are For Sleeping was pure fiction?
Remember when pizzas were hand tossed and a slice was fifteen cents.
Remember when Aunt Dottie would take a twenty out of the till for you if you just got out of the Detention Center?
The interstate came in 1962 and took half its
business away. So they were only open Wed-
Sun. In the 80's you could get enough food
to feed you for 2 days on one plate.
Pulled pork and mashed potatoes and greens
cooked with bacon, piled 6" high on a platter.
With blueberry muffins as big as a softball.
Jimmy kept the 20 gal gravy pot going 24/7,
just kept adding to it. Homemade apple
pie for dessert, all for $7.99.. You had a
30 min wait to get in.
The health dept kept saying the gravy was
a violation and shut him down periodically.
Then a kitchen fire took him out for good.
His gravy was a masterpiece, people would
buy it by the quart, to go.
Quality of life is not as good as it was, that's
a fact..
Remember when the grocery product boxes had no UPC symbols or nutritional info?
Quote: zippyboyRemember in the days before the Tylenol Scare when stores stocked unprotected jars on shelves? Peanut butter, cottage cheese, mustard and of course all pills, everything....just lift the lid and there it is with no plastic cover. Nowadays, about all that's unprotected is toothpaste, but the box is still glued shut rather than tucked in.
Remember when the grocery product boxes had no UPC symbols or nutritional info?
I always thought that after the tylenol incident, that the next poisoning was gonna be by injecting something into fruit or bread
I never nderstood the board of health view on bread. While everything else is sealed....you can handle, drop on the floor, sneeze, cough on loaves of french bread , rolls bagels. And unlike fruit that can fall on the floor and get coughed on..at least fruit is assumed to be dirty and you wash it.
now with mostly chains,,,,in order to make significantly more money that can raise prices and cut back portions.
Look at MCDONALDS...lets say they have 2 pickles on a hamburger. If they cut back to one pickle.....that translates to millions of dollars a year.
If Joes dinner cuts back to one pickle...ITS AN INSIGNIFICANT SAVINGS.
Quote: zippyboyRemember in the days before the Tylenol Scare when stores stocked unprotected jars on shelves? Peanut butter, cottage cheese, mustard and of course all pills, everything....just lift the lid and there it is with no plastic cover. Nowadays, about all that's unprotected is toothpaste, but the box is still glued shut rather than tucked in.
Sure do and am reminded every time I open a new bottle/package and have to use an instrument of destruction. :-(
Funny how that one-off event changed everything. Does anyone recall if they caught the perpetrator?
Quote: chickenmanSure do and am reminded every time I open a new bottle/package and have to use an instrument of destruction. :-(
Funny how that one-off event changed everything. Does anyone recall if they caught the perpetrator?
They caught the main one but not sure about the copycats. The random ones were done to cover up a murder and make it look random.
Quote: AZDuffmanThey caught the main one but not sure about the copycats. The random ones were done to cover up a murder and make it look random.
I think that is what they did on the TV show numbers iirc. Maybe they were basing the episode off of the real thing?
Quote: chickenmanSure do and am reminded every time I open a new bottle/package and have to use an instrument of destruction. :-(
Funny how that one-off event changed everything. Does anyone recall if they caught the perpetrator?
No, the Chicago Tylenol murders remain unsolved.
Quote: BleedingChipsSlowlyNo, the Chicago Tylenol murders remain unsolved.
Maybe I was flip-flopped and they caught a copycat then.
Quote: BleedingChipsSlowlyRemember when you would have been laughed out of the room if you predicted a bottle of water could be sold for more than a bottle of beer.
Or a gallon of gas…..stay hydrated
Quote: treetopbuddyRemember when dogs didn't sell for 2 million dollars. A Tibetan Mastiff sold for nearly 2 million at a "luxury pet" fair in China.
I think I would worry too much about the everyday health of my dog at that price.
Of course, maybe 2 million is filed under miscellaneous spending for this person. In that case, maybe not.
Ashlalnd Oregon. In order to determine the effect on voter turnout in a local election, the maroon draped free love cultists poisoned a fresh fruit and salad bar at the local steakhouse.Quote: LarrySI always thought that after the tylenol incident, that the next poisoning was gonna be by injecting something into fruit or bread.
Quote: FleaStiffAshlalnd Oregon. In order to determine the effect on voter turnout in a local election, the maroon draped free love cultists poisoned a fresh fruit and salad bar at the local steakhouse.
But wait! There's more... 1989 Chilean grape scare. (Juicy conspiracy theories at the end of The Doubts section.)
Edit: Added conspiracy theory aside.
Quote: 1BBRemember when station wagons were called beach wagons?
Never heard that in my life up till now.
We always had one in the 50's and 60's
and everybody called them station wagons.
Quote: EvenBobNever heard that in my life up till now.
We always had one in the 50's and 60's
and everybody called them station wagons.
Could it be a regional thing? It was very common in New England, so common that I never heard them called station wagons for quite some time.
Quote: HunterhillI heard beach wagon also. I'm from New England .1bb did you also call soda tonic?
Sure did!
they call it soda.
Quote: 1BBCould it be a regional thing?
Probably so. I grew up in the south, and it was always "station wagon".
Quote: HunterhillI heard beach wagon also. I'm from New England .1bb did you also call soda tonic?
Yep, sounds like a regional thing. I remember in the early/mid '60s being at a soda fountain at a sundries store in Florida when a "northerner" ordered a "soda." The person behind the counter asked him whether he knew what that was and then had to explain that a soda is a drink that includes ice cream, somewhat related to a milk shake. Yep, a regional thing. The customer wanted a Coke. At least he didn't call it a "tonic."
Quote: EvenBobWe call soda 'pop' and still do. Out west
they call it soda.
Go to parts of the deep south and they call it "coke." Small "c." Coke is coke, Pepsi is coke, Cherokee Red, if they were lucky enough to have it there, would be called "coke."
Quote: AZDuffmanGo to parts of the deep south and they call it "coke." Small "c." Coke is coke, Pepsi is coke, Cherokee Red, if they were lucky enough to have it there, would be called "coke."
It's a big country. Go to Russia and the language
changes every 300 miles. That a major reason
we are who we are, a central language spoken
by everybody.
Quote: HunterhillIT seems like in the last 20 years or so more new Englanders are saying soda. It's only the older people who say tonic. We also called jeans ,Dungarees.I also remember you couldn't find coffee ice cream outside of new England
We called jeans Levis in the 50's and 60's.
Or bluejeans. I never heard jeans till they
started making commercials.
Quote:A drinking fountain, also called a water fountain or bubbler, is a fountain designed to provide drinking water;
Yep. Haven't heard the term since mid-60s or so.Quote: 1BBRemember when station wagons were called beach wagons?
Quote: EvenBobIt's a big country. Go to Russia and the language
changes every 300 miles. That a major reason
we are who we are, a central language spoken
by everybody.
Sí, pero hay cuarenta y siete por ciento de la población que están apoyando las políticas para cambiar esto. En cincuenta años, si puede ser tal que el suroeste de Estados Unidos se siente tan apegado a el resto de los Estados Unidos de que la nación destroza. Cuando empiezan a querer salir lo harán los antiguos Estados Confederados de América. En cien años es posible que de tres a cuatro naciones donde sólo hay uno hoy.
everywhere? In every gas station, barber
shop and drugstore. In every bar, restaurant
and movie theatre. I saw a report on TV that
in NYC, there are exactly 3 left, in the entire
city. They are in bars and one guy leases them
and repairs them. At one time NYC had 10's
of thousands.
Kinda like phone booths, they were everywhere
at one time also. I miss those things, I always
liked being in a phone booth.
Quote: EvenBobRemember when cigarette machines were
everywhere? In every gas station, barber
shop and drugstore. In every bar, restaurant
and movie theatre. I saw a report on TV that
in NYC, there are exactly 3 left, in the entire
city. They are in bars and one guy leases them
and repairs them. At one time NYC had 10's
of thousands.
Kinda like phone booths, they were everywhere
at one time also. I miss those things, I always
liked being in a phone booth.
And the cigarettes were .35 in the machine. Some may have been .45. But it seemed like highway robbery because they were .25 in the store. Of course, we weren't old enough to buy them from a store so had to use the machines.
I guess that's why Superman isn't around anymore. No more phone booths. But I guess he didn't always use a phone booth.
Quote: texasplumrwe weren't old enough to buy them from a store so had to use the machines.
.
We just stole them from our parents, my dad
did 4 packs a day, he never missed them.
Most parents smoked, it was odd to see one
that didn't. I would have bought a 10 cent
comic before I every bought cigs from a machine.
