Are Transwomen Women
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozI am certain none of the members here who refuse to call someone by their preference would dare gonin front of a judge and say, "Mr. X, I refuse to call you "Your Honor" because you weren't born that way and in fact didn't become your honor until recently when appointed as a judge so you will have to respect my wish to call you Mr. And Sir."
I would love to see someone on here try it.
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How on earth does that relate? A judge is actually a judge.
But I identify as a judge so from now on please refer to me as The Most Honorable AZDuffman.
Thanks in advance.
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So you believe a judge was born a judge?
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What on earth are you talking about?
Listen, I said I identify as a judge. So quit saying “you” and say “your honor” please. Tolerance for my identification.
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Lol suddenly AZ doesn't know what I am talking about.
It was the simplest question. Does he believe judges are born that way.
He can't answer directly because he really understands his position is wrong so he answers with the blubbering "what are you talking about?" Line.
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Unless there is a divine right of judges they are not born judges. Again I ask what are you talking about?
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So if you are willing to call someone not born a judge a judge when they become a judge why won't you call a transgender a woman when she becomes a woman?
Quote: rainmanBecause he can't become a women women generally are capable of child birth.
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I will let all the women who found out they are infertile that from now on we will refer them as he and him
Quote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozI am certain none of the members here who refuse to call someone by their preference would dare gonin front of a judge and say, "Mr. X, I refuse to call you "Your Honor" because you weren't born that way and in fact didn't become your honor until recently when appointed as a judge so you will have to respect my wish to call you Mr. And Sir."
I would love to see someone on here try it.
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How on earth does that relate? A judge is actually a judge.
But I identify as a judge so from now on please refer to me as The Most Honorable AZDuffman.
Thanks in advance.
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So you believe a judge was born a judge?
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What on earth are you talking about?
Listen, I said I identify as a judge. So quit saying “you” and say “your honor” please. Tolerance for my identification.
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Lol suddenly AZ doesn't know what I am talking about.
It was the simplest question. Does he believe judges are born that way.
He can't answer directly because he really understands his position is wrong so he answers with the blubbering "what are you talking about?" Line.
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Unless there is a divine right of judges they are not born judges. Again I ask what are you talking about?
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So if you are willing to call someone not born a judge a judge when they become a judge why won't you call a transgender a woman when she becomes a woman?
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Because a man cannot become a woman and a woman cannot become a man. Simple science.
Quote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozI am certain none of the members here who refuse to call someone by their preference would dare gonin front of a judge and say, "Mr. X, I refuse to call you "Your Honor" because you weren't born that way and in fact didn't become your honor until recently when appointed as a judge so you will have to respect my wish to call you Mr. And Sir."
I would love to see someone on here try it.
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How on earth does that relate? A judge is actually a judge.
But I identify as a judge so from now on please refer to me as The Most Honorable AZDuffman.
Thanks in advance.
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So you believe a judge was born a judge?
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What on earth are you talking about?
Listen, I said I identify as a judge. So quit saying “you” and say “your honor” please. Tolerance for my identification.
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Lol suddenly AZ doesn't know what I am talking about.
It was the simplest question. Does he believe judges are born that way.
He can't answer directly because he really understands his position is wrong so he answers with the blubbering "what are you talking about?" Line.
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Unless there is a divine right of judges they are not born judges. Again I ask what are you talking about?
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So if you are willing to call someone not born a judge a judge when they become a judge why won't you call a transgender a woman when she becomes a woman?
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Because a man cannot become a woman and a woman cannot become a man. Simple science.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozI am certain none of the members here who refuse to call someone by their preference would dare gonin front of a judge and say, "Mr. X, I refuse to call you "Your Honor" because you weren't born that way and in fact didn't become your honor until recently when appointed as a judge so you will have to respect my wish to call you Mr. And Sir."
I would love to see someone on here try it.
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How on earth does that relate? A judge is actually a judge.
But I identify as a judge so from now on please refer to me as The Most Honorable AZDuffman.
Thanks in advance.
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So you believe a judge was born a judge?
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What on earth are you talking about?
Listen, I said I identify as a judge. So quit saying “you” and say “your honor” please. Tolerance for my identification.
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Lol suddenly AZ doesn't know what I am talking about.
It was the simplest question. Does he believe judges are born that way.
He can't answer directly because he really understands his position is wrong so he answers with the blubbering "what are you talking about?" Line.
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Unless there is a divine right of judges they are not born judges. Again I ask what are you talking about?
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So if you are willing to call someone not born a judge a judge when they become a judge why won't you call a transgender a woman when she becomes a woman?
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Because a man cannot become a woman and a woman cannot become a man. Simple science.
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A man or woman cannot "become" a judge. There isn't any biological change that makes him a judge.
Simple science!
Quote: AZDuffman
Because a man cannot become a woman and a woman cannot become a man. Simple science.
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Your opinion is clear. It defines you.
... and not in a good way.
Anyhow. Is this thread to be hijacked by the very [I won't use the word] that Wizard has deemed to be inappropriate? Shouldn't those of strong opinion on this controversial topic, post about it elsewhere?
Quote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozI am certain none of the members here who refuse to call someone by their preference would dare gonin front of a judge and say, "Mr. X, I refuse to call you "Your Honor" because you weren't born that way and in fact didn't become your honor until recently when appointed as a judge so you will have to respect my wish to call you Mr. And Sir."
I would love to see someone on here try it.
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How on earth does that relate? A judge is actually a judge.
But I identify as a judge so from now on please refer to me as The Most Honorable AZDuffman.
Thanks in advance.
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So you believe a judge was born a judge?
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What on earth are you talking about?
Listen, I said I identify as a judge. So quit saying “you” and say “your honor” please. Tolerance for my identification.
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Lol suddenly AZ doesn't know what I am talking about.
It was the simplest question. Does he believe judges are born that way.
He can't answer directly because he really understands his position is wrong so he answers with the blubbering "what are you talking about?" Line.
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Unless there is a divine right of judges they are not born judges. Again I ask what are you talking about?
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So if you are willing to call someone not born a judge a judge when they become a judge why won't you call a transgender a woman when she becomes a woman?
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Because a man cannot become a woman and a woman cannot become a man. Simple science.
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A man or woman cannot "become" a judge. There isn't any biological change that makes him a judge.
Simple science!
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Quote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozI am certain none of the members here who refuse to call someone by their preference would dare gonin front of a judge and say, "Mr. X, I refuse to call you "Your Honor" because you weren't born that way and in fact didn't become your honor until recently when appointed as a judge so you will have to respect my wish to call you Mr. And Sir."
I would love to see someone on here try it.
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How on earth does that relate? A judge is actually a judge.
But I identify as a judge so from now on please refer to me as The Most Honorable AZDuffman.
Thanks in advance.
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So you believe a judge was born a judge?
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What on earth are you talking about?
Listen, I said I identify as a judge. So quit saying “you” and say “your honor” please. Tolerance for my identification.
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Lol suddenly AZ doesn't know what I am talking about.
It was the simplest question. Does he believe judges are born that way.
He can't answer directly because he really understands his position is wrong so he answers with the blubbering "what are you talking about?" Line.
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Unless there is a divine right of judges they are not born judges. Again I ask what are you talking about?
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So if you are willing to call someone not born a judge a judge when they become a judge why won't you call a transgender a woman when she becomes a woman?
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Because a man cannot become a woman and a woman cannot become a man. Simple science.
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A man or woman cannot "become" a judge. There isn't any biological change that makes him a judge.
Simple science!
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People become judges all the time. Did Clarence Thomas not become a judge?
It is law not science. What kind of person thinks otherwise.
Quote: darkozQuote: rainmanBecause he can't become a women women generally are capable of child birth.
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I will let all the women who found out they are infertile that from now on we will refer them as he and him
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You let me know when you find a Transgender Male to Female who is capable of giving birth.
Quote: rainmanQuote: darkozQuote: rainmanBecause he can't become a women women generally are capable of child birth.
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I will let all the women who found out they are infertile that from now on we will refer them as he and him
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You let me know when you find a Transgender Male to Female who is capable of giving birth.
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Science already has made a transgender able to grow natural breasts and surgically transform into a female.
Is that your only definition of female that they be able to give birth?
If in the near future science goes that extra step and surgically a transgender can give birth then you will change your position?
I suspect you will change the goalposts again.
Quote: darkozQuote: rainmanQuote: darkozQuote: rainmanBecause he can't become a women women generally are capable of child birth.
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I will let all the women who found out they are infertile that from now on we will refer them as he and him
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You let me know when you find a Transgender Male to Female who is capable of giving birth.
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Science already has made a transgender able to grow natural breasts and surgically transform into a female.
Is that your only definition of female that they be able to give birth?
If in the near future science goes that extra step and surgically a transgender can give birth then you will change your position?
I suspect you will change the goalposts again.
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Gender is assigned at conception. If the sperm cell carries an X the child is female. If it carries a Y it is male. This is a binary and cannot be changed, PERIOD.
All the SJW arguments of growing breasts or whatever do not matter. It can no more be changed than I can make a Labrador Retriever into a Bulldog by getting a vet to do surgery on its snout.
No goalposts. Just science.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: rainmanQuote: darkozQuote: rainmanBecause he can't become a women women generally are capable of child birth.
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I will let all the women who found out they are infertile that from now on we will refer them as he and him
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You let me know when you find a Transgender Male to Female who is capable of giving birth.
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Science already has made a transgender able to grow natural breasts and surgically transform into a female.
Is that your only definition of female that they be able to give birth?
If in the near future science goes that extra step and surgically a transgender can give birth then you will change your position?
I suspect you will change the goalposts again.
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Gender is assigned at conception. If the sperm cell carries an X the child is female. If it carries a Y it is male. This is a binary choice and cannot be changed, PERIOD.
All the SJW arguments of growing breasts or whatever do not matter. It can no more be changed than I can make a Labrador Retriever into a Bulldog by getting a vet to do surgery on its snout.
No goalposts. Just science.
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The argument isn't about genetics. It's about identity and respect.
Similar to insisting on calling an obese person names for being fat. Are they fat by weight standards yes.
But it's expected you don't insult them regardless.
You have lost the WOV argument anyway. The Wizard has spoken. Call forum members by the gender THEY prefer not what you prefer.
If you don't like it then don't participate.
Quote: darkoz
The argument isn't about genetics. It's about identity and respect.
Actually it about the traditionalists understanding science and not playing little games and the SJW crowd trying to push the idea that men and women are interhangeable.
Quote:Similar to insisting on calling an obese person names for being fat. Are they fat by weight standards yes.
But it's expected you don't insult them regardless.
Calling someone their actual gender is not an insult, it is correct.
Quote:You have lost the WOV argument anyway. The Wizard has spoken. Call forum members by the gender THEY prefer not what you prefer.
If you don't like it then don't participate.
I will not participate. I will just avoid the incorrect pronoun and work around it. And I know the SJW crowd, including yourself, will be doing a quiet burn over someone not conforming to their demands of the world.
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkoz
The argument isn't about genetics. It's about identity and respect.
Actually it about the traditionalists understanding science and not playing little games and the SJW crowd trying to push the idea that men and women are interhangeable.Quote:Similar to insisting on calling an obese person names for being fat. Are they fat by weight standards yes.
But it's expected you don't insult them regardless.
Calling someone their actual gender is not an insult, it is correct.Quote:You have lost the WOV argument anyway. The Wizard has spoken. Call forum members by the gender THEY prefer not what you prefer.
If you don't like it then don't participate.
I will not participate. I will just avoid the incorrect pronoun and work around it. And I know the SJW crowd, including yourself, will be doing a quiet burn over someone not conforming to their demands of the world.
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I protest that AZDuffman has hijacked this thread with deliberate controversy, and is now proceeding to insult named and un-named members by assigning them to 'The SJW crowd'
"Social justice warrior ( SJW) is a pejorative term and internet meme used for an individual who promotes socially progressive, left-wing and liberal views"
it's easy to trivialize and/or mock social justice concepts when you're a member of a majority group
when you're in the minority - then you think twice about it - it's not so easy
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Duffman is still wrong as ever though. If a man who is not transgender changes his body to a woman without being transgender he will still feel like a man in his brain.
Duffman is still wrong as ever though. If a man who is not transgender changes his body to a woman without being transgender he will still feel like a man in his brain.
Quote: OnceDear
I protest that AZDuffman has hijacked this thread with deliberate controversy, and is now proceeding to insult named and un-named members by assigning them to 'The SJW crowd'
"Social justice warrior ( SJW) is a pejorative term and internet meme used for an individual who promotes socially progressive, left-wing and liberal views"
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I asked a serious question about the new policy. DarkOz brought up some weird thing about judges, which is where the hijack began.
Quote: lilredrooster____________
it's easy to trivialize and/or mock social justice concepts when you're a member of a majority group
when you're in the minority - then you think twice about it - it's not so easy
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I am in a minority group on here. 2 actually. Conservative and not an atheist. I simply deal with it.
Quote: lilredrooster____________it's easy to trivialize and/or mock social justice concepts when you're a member of a majority group. when you're in the minority - then you think twice about it - it's not so easy.
I question whether he is in fact a member of the majority on this issue; seems to be pretty much equally divided along political lines.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: lilredrooster____________
it's easy to trivialize and/or mock social justice concepts when you're a member of a majority group
when you're in the minority - then you think twice about it - it's not so easy
.
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I am in a minority group on here. 2 actually. Conservative and not an atheist. I simply deal with it.
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this is a very small group - I was referring to the society as a whole - a whole different thing - this group has no power at all other than to ban you or suspend you - a very minor thing in the scheme of things - the society as a whole has overwhelming power
it's an entirely different thing - if you're a member of one minority group - you feel it when a different minority group gets mocked or insulted - you know it could be your turn next - and you know it could happen to your children or other family members - and you know that at any moment it could morph into a physical thing
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Quote: MrVQuote: lilredrooster____________it's easy to trivialize and/or mock social justice concepts when you're a member of a majority group. when you're in the minority - then you think twice about it - it's not so easy.
I question whether he is in fact a member of the majority on this issue; seems to be pretty much equally divided along political lines.
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There're 3 or more sides to 2 sides of an issue.
It's always amusing to me when right-wingers suddenly profess an interest in science. The party of anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-climate change, and drink bleach. But now suddenly science matters.Quote: AZDuffmanBecause a man cannot become a woman and a woman cannot become a man. Simple science.
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Yeah, I know that's political, but it needed to be said.
See y'all in X days.
Quote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozI am certain none of the members here who refuse to call someone by their preference would dare gonin front of a judge and say, "Mr. X, I refuse to call you "Your Honor" because you weren't born that way and in fact didn't become your honor until recently when appointed as a judge so you will have to respect my wish to call you Mr. And Sir."
I would love to see someone on here try it.
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How on earth does that relate? A judge is actually a judge.
But I identify as a judge so from now on please refer to me as The Most Honorable AZDuffman.
Thanks in advance.
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So you believe a judge was born a judge?
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What on earth are you talking about?
Listen, I said I identify as a judge. So quit saying “you” and say “your honor” please. Tolerance for my identification.
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Lol suddenly AZ doesn't know what I am talking about.
It was the simplest question. Does he believe judges are born that way.
He can't answer directly because he really understands his position is wrong so he answers with the blubbering "what are you talking about?" Line.
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Unless there is a divine right of judges they are not born judges. Again I ask what are you talking about?
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So if you are willing to call someone not born a judge a judge when they become a judge why won't you call a transgender a woman when she becomes a woman?
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I don't know anything about you specifically or if this applies to you but I'm always curious about straight men who state a transgender woman actually becomes a woman. Does that mean those same straight men would be willing to have a relationship and/or be intimate with these newly made women?
Quote: ThisIsMyJamQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozI am certain none of the members here who refuse to call someone by their preference would dare gonin front of a judge and say, "Mr. X, I refuse to call you "Your Honor" because you weren't born that way and in fact didn't become your honor until recently when appointed as a judge so you will have to respect my wish to call you Mr. And Sir."
I would love to see someone on here try it.
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How on earth does that relate? A judge is actually a judge.
But I identify as a judge so from now on please refer to me as The Most Honorable AZDuffman.
Thanks in advance.
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So you believe a judge was born a judge?
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What on earth are you talking about?
Listen, I said I identify as a judge. So quit saying “you” and say “your honor” please. Tolerance for my identification.
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Lol suddenly AZ doesn't know what I am talking about.
It was the simplest question. Does he believe judges are born that way.
He can't answer directly because he really understands his position is wrong so he answers with the blubbering "what are you talking about?" Line.
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Unless there is a divine right of judges they are not born judges. Again I ask what are you talking about?
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So if you are willing to call someone not born a judge a judge when they become a judge why won't you call a transgender a woman when she becomes a woman?
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I don't know anything about you specifically or if this applies to you but I'm always curious about straight men who state a transgender woman actually becomes a woman. Does that mean those same straight men would be willing to have a relationship and/or be intimate with these newly made women?
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Some do. There's someone out there for everyone!
Quote: DieterQuote: OnceDearA question for the moderators and maybe for the tech guys.
Does the 'flag' feature still exist? I don't currently see any flag buttons.
That feature always did work differently for moderators, but I'm surprised to no longer see the button.Quote: Rule 15Flagging: The primary purpose of flagging is to rid the forum of spam but can also be used for other obvious rule violations. Flagging legitimate posts, for any reason, is not allowed. (Added 4/15/2016)
One man's 'obvious' is another man's opinion.
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"Flagging" may have been disabled in late 2014/early 2015.
I seem to remember getting scolded for (subjectively) "misusing" it, and shortly afterwards it was not-visible.
As for other definitions of the term, I don't really go to those bars.
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The flag button can be seen by members on the posts of new members only, I believe.
Quote: billryanTwenty years ago, I can tell you that a relatively large percentage of dancers in NYC were not born female. I can only imagine what the numbers are these days.
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I think "CSI" had a line about that, of course Vegas where it was set, not NYC.
Quote: ThisIsMyJam
I don't know anything about you specifically or if this applies to you but I'm always curious about straight men who state a transgender woman actually becomes a woman. Does that mean those same straight men would be willing to have a relationship and/or be intimate with these newly made women?
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Ashly tells me I'm quite happily married, thank you, and I don't need to worry about things like attraction to the individual, liking the same restaurants, or compatible personalities.
She goes on to say that they can be one of the many, many women that aren't right for me.
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: ThisIsMyJamQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozI am certain none of the members here who refuse to call someone by their preference would dare gonin front of a judge and say, "Mr. X, I refuse to call you "Your Honor" because you weren't born that way and in fact didn't become your honor until recently when appointed as a judge so you will have to respect my wish to call you Mr. And Sir."
I would love to see someone on here try it.
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How on earth does that relate? A judge is actually a judge.
But I identify as a judge so from now on please refer to me as The Most Honorable AZDuffman.
Thanks in advance.
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So you believe a judge was born a judge?
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What on earth are you talking about?
Listen, I said I identify as a judge. So quit saying “you” and say “your honor” please. Tolerance for my identification.
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Lol suddenly AZ doesn't know what I am talking about.
It was the simplest question. Does he believe judges are born that way.
He can't answer directly because he really understands his position is wrong so he answers with the blubbering "what are you talking about?" Line.
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Unless there is a divine right of judges they are not born judges. Again I ask what are you talking about?
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So if you are willing to call someone not born a judge a judge when they become a judge why won't you call a transgender a woman when she becomes a woman?
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I don't know anything about you specifically or if this applies to you but I'm always curious about straight men who state a transgender woman actually becomes a woman. Does that mean those same straight men would be willing to have a relationship and/or be intimate with these newly made women?
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Some do. There's someone out there for everyone!
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True, there is someone for everyone but "some do" is rather vague. That could be a minute number. IMO, if a man truly believes this then he should have no problem having a relationship with a trans woman. I've asked a few men elsewhere online and now here but I never get an actual straightforward response. Thus my curiosity remains.
Quote: ThisIsMyJamQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: ThisIsMyJamQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozI am certain none of the members here who refuse to call someone by their preference would dare gonin front of a judge and say, "Mr. X, I refuse to call you "Your Honor" because you weren't born that way and in fact didn't become your honor until recently when appointed as a judge so you will have to respect my wish to call you Mr. And Sir."
I would love to see someone on here try it.
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How on earth does that relate? A judge is actually a judge.
But I identify as a judge so from now on please refer to me as The Most Honorable AZDuffman.
Thanks in advance.
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So you believe a judge was born a judge?
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What on earth are you talking about?
Listen, I said I identify as a judge. So quit saying “you” and say “your honor” please. Tolerance for my identification.
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Lol suddenly AZ doesn't know what I am talking about.
It was the simplest question. Does he believe judges are born that way.
He can't answer directly because he really understands his position is wrong so he answers with the blubbering "what are you talking about?" Line.
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Unless there is a divine right of judges they are not born judges. Again I ask what are you talking about?
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So if you are willing to call someone not born a judge a judge when they become a judge why won't you call a transgender a woman when she becomes a woman?
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I don't know anything about you specifically or if this applies to you but I'm always curious about straight men who state a transgender woman actually becomes a woman. Does that mean those same straight men would be willing to have a relationship and/or be intimate with these newly made women?
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Some do. There's someone out there for everyone!
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True, there is someone for everyone but "some do" is rather vague. That could be a minute number. IMO, if a man truly believes this then he should have no problem having a relationship with a trans woman. I've asked a few men elsewhere online and now here but I never get an actual straightforward response. Thus my curiosity remains.
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I have had relationships with transgender women.
Haven't had one in a long time. Over a decade. I have children and grandchildren. My children know about my "adventures". Not my grandchildren unless their mom told them. I don't feel that's for me to discuss with them.
If I saw how a transgender woman looked before their transformation I would vomit. Not attracted to men.
Transwomen aren't a problem.
Watch the TV series Pose. It gives a good look into the lives of transgender women.
He's probably just a little slow coming out talking about the subject.
Nothing wrong with that.
Quote: darkoz
I have had relationships with transgender women.
Haven't had one in a long time. Over a decade. I have children and grandchildren. My children know about my "adventures". Not my grandchildren unless their mom told them. I don't feel that's for me to discuss with them.
If I saw how a transgender woman looked before their transformation I would vomit. Not attracted to men.
Transwomen aren't a problem.
Watch the TV series Pose. It gives a good look into the lives of transgender women.
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Based on your response about vomiting I have to assume that your relationships with transgender women were limited to those who had surgically transitioned. There are many trans women who havent had any surgeries so they still have male body parts. Are those trans women not women to you?
Quote: ThisIsMyJamQuote: darkoz
I have had relationships with transgender women.
Haven't had one in a long time. Over a decade. I have children and grandchildren. My children know about my "adventures". Not my grandchildren unless their mom told them. I don't feel that's for me to discuss with them.
If I saw how a transgender woman looked before their transformation I would vomit. Not attracted to men.
Transwomen aren't a problem.
Watch the TV series Pose. It gives a good look into the lives of transgender women.
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Based on your response about vomiting I have to assume that your relationships with transgender women were limited to those who had surgically transitioned. There are many trans women who havent had any surgeries so they still have male body parts. Are those trans women not women to you?
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You are wrong.
I have never had a relationship with a transgender post op.
The male shape turns me off. Not a female shape with male sex organ.
Is there some psychoanalytic reason you are pursuing this?
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I have had relationships with transgender women.
Haven't had one in a long time. Over a decade. I have children and grandchildren. My children know about my "adventures". Not my grandchildren unless their mom told them. I don't feel that's for me to discuss with them.
If I saw how a transgender woman looked before their transformation I would vomit. Not attracted to men.
Transwomen aren't a problem.
Watch the TV series Pose. It gives a good look into the lives of transgender women.
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Based on your response about vomiting I have to assume that your relationships with transgender women were limited to those who had surgically transitioned. There are many trans women who havent had any surgeries so they still have male body parts. Are those trans women not women to you?
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What does being attracted to someone have anything to do what the person is who is the object of desire is? By that reasoning people having sex with an animal says something about what the animal is?
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I have had relationships with transgender women.
Haven't had one in a long time. Over a decade. I have children and grandchildren. My children know about my "adventures". Not my grandchildren unless their mom told them. I don't feel that's for me to discuss with them.
If I saw how a transgender woman looked before their transformation I would vomit. Not attracted to men.
Transwomen aren't a problem.
Watch the TV series Pose. It gives a good look into the lives of transgender women.
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Based on your response about vomiting I have to assume that your relationships with transgender women were limited to those who had surgically transitioned. There are many trans women who havent had any surgeries so they still have male body parts. Are those trans women not women to you?
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The male shape turns me off. Not a female shape with male sex organ.
Is there some psychoanalytic reason you are pursuing this?
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I'm not even sure what you mean by that. Someone that looks like a man is a turn off and that would make you vomit. But someone that looks like a woman but has a man's sex organ wouldn't? That's rather surprising and interesting.
I'm interested because you are the only person I've ever seen say a trans woman is truly a woman, that you are straight, and have indeed been with trans women. You appear to be a rarity.
As absolutely fascinating as who has dated whom is, that is clearly NOT about forum rules and policies.
I'm guilty too. I'd expect a thread split, lockdown, and suggestion to take it somewhere else (like DT) to be coming soon.
Quote: DieterFolks, this is swinging way off topic.
As absolutely fascinating as who has dated whom is, that is clearly NOT about forum rules and policies.
I'm guilty too. I'd expect a thread split, lockdown, and suggestion to take it somewhere else (like DT) to be coming soon.
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Isn't that your job to say? You are in green.
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I have had relationships with transgender women.
Haven't had one in a long time. Over a decade. I have children and grandchildren. My children know about my "adventures". Not my grandchildren unless their mom told them. I don't feel that's for me to discuss with them.
If I saw how a transgender woman looked before their transformation I would vomit. Not attracted to men.
Transwomen aren't a problem.
Watch the TV series Pose. It gives a good look into the lives of transgender women.
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Based on your response about vomiting I have to assume that your relationships with transgender women were limited to those who had surgically transitioned. There are many trans women who havent had any surgeries so they still have male body parts. Are those trans women not women to you?
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The male shape turns me off. Not a female shape with male sex organ.
Is there some psychoanalytic reason you are pursuing this?
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I'm not even sure what you mean by that. Someone that looks like a man is a turn off and that would make you vomit. But someone that looks like a woman but has a man's sex organ wouldn't? That's rather surprising and interesting.
I'm interested because you are the only person I've ever seen say a trans woman is truly a woman, that you are straight, and have indeed been with trans women. You appear to be a rarity.
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Since this isn't the point of this thread I will just answer one last time on the subject.
It's not rare at all. First season of Pose is pretty much about straight men who date trans women.
The film the Crying Game is about straight men who date trans women.
It's maybe not discussed much but it's not rare at all
Quote: darkozQuote: ThisIsMyJamQuote: darkozQuote: ThisIsMyJamQuote: darkoz
I have had relationships with transgender women.
Haven't had one in a long time. Over a decade. I have children and grandchildren. My children know about my "adventures". Not my grandchildren unless their mom told them. I don't feel that's for me to discuss with them.
If I saw how a transgender woman looked before their transformation I would vomit. Not attracted to men.
Transwomen aren't a problem.
Watch the TV series Pose. It gives a good look into the lives of transgender women.
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Based on your response about vomiting I have to assume that your relationships with transgender women were limited to those who had surgically transitioned. There are many trans women who havent had any surgeries so they still have male body parts. Are those trans women not women to you?
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The male shape turns me off. Not a female shape with male sex organ.
Is there some psychoanalytic reason you are pursuing this?
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I'm not even sure what you mean by that. Someone that looks like a man is a turn off and that would make you vomit. But someone that looks like a woman but has a man's sex organ wouldn't? That's rather surprising and interesting.
I'm interested because you are the only person I've ever seen say a trans woman is truly a woman, that you are straight, and have indeed been with trans women. You appear to be a rarity.
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Since this isn't the point of this thread I will just answer one last time on the subject.
It's not rare at all. First season of Pose is pretty much about straight men who date trans women.
The film the Crying Game is about straight men who date trans women.
It's maybe not discussed much but it's not rare at all
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Ah, yes. I forgot they never make rare subjects the focus of television and film.
My last comment as well.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: DieterFolks, this is swinging way off topic.
As absolutely fascinating as who has dated whom is, that is clearly NOT about forum rules and policies.
I'm guilty too. I'd expect a thread split, lockdown, and suggestion to take it somewhere else (like DT) to be coming soon.
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Isn't that your job to say? You are in green.
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Yes, but I'm guilty too, so I'm being all easygoing and mellow instead of dispensing my usual cruelties of crushing every voice not singing hymns in unison under the iron heel of administrative overreach.
Still, if everyone takes the hint... we might be overlooked when the usual suspects are rounded up.
At the swinger parties I attend monthly There is no discussion of politics. Open gender parties are welcoming to trans women but not gay men. The hierarchy is still the same as the Alpha males will still have first choice of sexual partners. Betas are normally in attendance with their wife but do not perform or participate in the traditional sense. Alphas are determined in the circles I participate in by their length, girth, and stamina. If you are a great lover and provide amazing experiences for the women in attendance the group will elevate you. Young bucks often show up and are sometimes unable to perform when the lights are on. Stage fright I guess but the beauty of this arrangement is everyone is understanding.
Quote: SeedvalueMost straight men who date trans women are considered by the Alpha males to be Betas. As the resident swinger of the forum, and most experienced in the sexual arts it has been my experience these men often have been rejected by many genetic women. They do not identify as gay and are attracted to the female form. Often these trans women are more attractive then some overweight unkept genetic females. So the rejected beta male can pull more attractive partners because the trans women are often looking for acceptance from basically any straight male. Now this is not something I’m into but if two humans can find happiness with each other then so be it. Most democratic leaning men seem to gravitate toward trans women while independent, and republican men are more attracted to genetic women. However more men who identify as in the closet gay tend to lean republican.
At the swinger parties I attend monthly There is no discussion of politics. Open gender parties are welcoming to trans women but not gay men. The hierarchy is still the same as the Alpha males will still have first choice of sexual partners. Betas are normally in attendance with their wife but do not perform or participate in the traditional sense. Alphas are determined in the circles I participate in by their length, girth, and stamina. If you are a great lover and provide amazing experiences for the women in attendance the group will elevate you. Young bucks often show up and are sometimes unable to perform when the lights are on. Stage fright I guess but the beauty of this arrangement is everyone is understanding.
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I probably am a Beta male because I remember choosing Beta over VHS
Beta tapes were definitely shorter in length physically than VHS. But the quality and performance was better!!!!
For once, I agree with AZDuffman.Quote: DieterQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: DieterFolks, this is swinging way off topic.
As absolutely fascinating as who has dated whom is, that is clearly NOT about forum rules and policies.
I'm guilty too. I'd expect a thread split, lockdown, and suggestion to take it somewhere else (like DT) to be coming soon.
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Isn't that your job to say? You are in green.
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Yes, but I'm guilty too, so I'm being all easygoing and mellow instead of dispensing my usual cruelties of crushing every voice not singing hymns in unison under the iron heel of administrative overreach.
Still, if everyone takes the hint... we might be overlooked when the usual suspects are rounded up.
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Members are not taking the hint.
Maybe it's time to use this thread as intended and discuss those members who are about to get added to the suspension list. Where's the cattleprod when it's needed?
Quote: OnceDearFor once, I agree with AZDuffman.Quote: DieterQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: DieterFolks, this is swinging way off topic.
As absolutely fascinating as who has dated whom is, that is clearly NOT about forum rules and policies.
I'm guilty too. I'd expect a thread split, lockdown, and suggestion to take it somewhere else (like DT) to be coming soon.
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Isn't that your job to say? You are in green.
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Yes, but I'm guilty too, so I'm being all easygoing and mellow instead of dispensing my usual cruelties of crushing every voice not singing hymns in unison under the iron heel of administrative overreach.
Still, if everyone takes the hint... we might be overlooked when the usual suspects are rounded up.
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Members are not taking the hint.
Maybe it's time to use this thread as intended and discuss those members who are about to get added to the suspension list. Where's the cattleprod when it's needed?
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I was going to make a point about this but you are so polite here I will wait for the thread split if any. I think Wizard may be yelling some new swear words when he logs back in and sees all this.
Quote: AxelWolfWhere is PokerGrinder when everyone is discussing Transgenders and Transsexuals? He knows this subject inside and out.
He's probably just a little slow coming out talking about the subject.
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Oy vay Wolfy, like I said just cause I date Asian woman doesn’t mean they aren’t females who were all born female lol.
T boys don't count as wemon.Quote: PokerGrinderQuote: AxelWolfWhere is PokerGrinder when everyone is discussing Transgenders and Transsexuals? He knows this subject inside and out.
He's probably just a little slow coming out talking about the subject.
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Oy vay Wolfy, like I said just cause I date Asian woman doesn’t mean they aren’t females who were all born female lol.
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