slyther
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July 28th, 2010 at 4:01:26 PM permalink
also log on to Grazie website to look for offers
LowPingBoy
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November 7th, 2010 at 10:06:11 AM permalink
It sounds as if a reasonable strategy is to send the wife to the Slots and hit the tables. If that is the case what level of slots should she be playing? I/we have absolutely no experience with comps and slots but willing to learn. As near as I can tell they range from 25 cents or so up to, I don't know, $10 a pull.

So basically, what bet and for how many hours.

We're out there next month, December, 8th - 12th and would like to take advantage of this.

Thanks a lot for any suggestions.

LPB in NC
mkl654321
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November 7th, 2010 at 5:14:08 PM permalink
Quote: LowPingBoy

It sounds as if a reasonable strategy is to send the wife to the Slots and hit the tables. If that is the case what level of slots should she be playing? I/we have absolutely no experience with comps and slots but willing to learn. As near as I can tell they range from 25 cents or so up to, I don't know, $10 a pull.

So basically, what bet and for how many hours.

We're out there next month, December, 8th - 12th and would like to take advantage of this.

Thanks a lot for any suggestions.

LPB in NC



The Venetian, being a big-box Strip casino, has horrible slot returns. They consistently report those figures to the Gaming Control Board.

Your wife should be playing as small denominations as possible, to minimize her losses, which can be gigantic if she doesn't watch herself. Here's a few basic tips to help stem the bleeding:

1. Figure out an amount per play and play that amount on the highest denomination possible. If that's $1/pull, that would be one coin on a dollar machine--not four (or five) coins on a quarter machine, and DEFINITELY not 20 coins on a nickel machine. The reason is, the returns on low-denomination machines are the worst of all. On the Strip, ALL slot returns stink, but anything lower than $1 denom is prohibitively bad.
2. The higher the top jackpot, the tighter the machine will be (must have lots and lots of losers to finance the big hit). Conversely, the lower the top jackpot, the looser the machine, all other things being equal. So if you want to play for a while, find a game with a 2,400 coin jackpot, not a $250,000 jackpot.
3. Make sure you BOTH join the player's club, so her slot play will be tracked, and you will be rated. This will be especially useful if she, say, hits a taxable $2000 jackpot, but is down $1900 when she hits it--without the slot card record, she would be liable for taxes on the entire $2000.
4. There is a coupon in the American Casino Guide for $25 free slot play for new members who sign up for the club. Since you can get a copy of the ACG for about $12, that's a good way to get off on the right foot, and there's tons of coupons usable at other casinos as well.

When you earn some points, use them to pay for meals in the Grand Lux Cafe--the food there is really good, and reasonably priced. The fancy-ass restaurants in the Venetian aren't worth it, and they're not all that good (except the $200/meal joints).
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
Keyser
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November 7th, 2010 at 5:16:42 PM permalink
I've always found the Venetian to comp well, including the rooms, which I think are the best on the strip.
JerryLogan
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November 7th, 2010 at 5:28:31 PM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

The Venetian, being a big-box Strip casino, has horrible slot returns. They consistently report those figures to the Gaming Control Board.

Your wife should be playing as small denominations as possible, to minimize her losses, which can be gigantic if she doesn't watch herself. Here's a few basic tips to help stem the bleeding:

1. Figure out an amount per play and play that amount on the highest denomination possible. If that's $1/pull, that would be one coin on a dollar machine--not four (or five) coins on a quarter machine, and DEFINITELY not 20 coins on a nickel machine. The reason is, the returns on low-denomination machines are the worst of all. On the Strip, ALL slot returns stink, but anything lower than $1 denom is prohibitively bad.
2. The higher the top jackpot, the tighter the machine will be (must have lots and lots of losers to finance the big hit). Conversely, the lower the top jackpot, the looser the machine, all other things being equal. So if you want to play for a while, find a game with a 2,400 coin jackpot, not a $250,000 jackpot.
3. Make sure you BOTH join the player's club, so her slot play will be tracked, and you will be rated. This will be especially useful if she, say, hits a taxable $2000 jackpot, but is down $1900 when she hits it--without the slot card record, she would be liable for taxes on the entire $2000.
4. There is a coupon in the American Casino Guide for $25 free slot play for new members who sign up for the club. Since you can get a copy of the ACG for about $12, that's a good way to get off on the right foot, and there's tons of coupons usable at other casinos as well.

When you earn some points, use them to pay for meals in the Grand Lux Cafe--the food there is really good, and reasonably priced. The fancy-ass restaurants in the Venetian aren't worth it, and they're not all that good (except the $200/meal joints).



Typical shoot-from-the-hip nonsense delivered by someone with very little to no experience in a luxury resort/casino environment.

I play at Venetian/Palazzo all the time and I play $1 to as high as $10 sometimes, and it's one of the two casinos I am ahead at. So tell your wife not to be afraid to play any denomination she likes and in fact, the higher the denomination the better slot return and pay table. Then tell mkl to actually GO to the Venetian before he starts in with the know-it-all stuff again.

The Grand Lux Cafe has excellent food, but the gourmet restaurants are far better and offer a much more satisfying experience when you're staying in a high end resort like that. The comment above was made by someone who thinks the El Cortex serves up world class grub, and he'll take his wife to Ellis Island for their 25th wedding anniversary. So enjoy yourselves and don't let a known cheapskate ruin your time for you.
Doc
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November 7th, 2010 at 5:50:48 PM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

Figure out an amount per play and play that amount on the highest denomination possible. ...slot returns stink, but anything lower than $1 denom is prohibitively bad.


Quote: JerryLogan

... tell your wife not to be afraid to play any denomination she likes and in fact, the higher the denomination the better slot return and pay table. Then tell mkl to actually GO to the Venetian before he starts in with the know-it-all stuff again.


Somebody help me out here: what are these two guys arguing about? Aren't they basically saying the exact same thing but regularly calling each other liars?
rdw4potus
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November 7th, 2010 at 6:24:52 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

Somebody help me out here: what are these two guys arguing about? Aren't they basically saying the exact same thing but regularly calling each other liars?



Saying they're arguing isn't fair to MKL. So far, all that's happened is that Jerry didn't actually read before spouting (again...).

EDIT: ok, NOW they're fighting.
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mkl654321
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November 7th, 2010 at 6:28:57 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

Somebody help me out here: what are these two guys arguing about? Aren't they basically saying the exact same thing but regularly calling each other liars?



Am I arguing with that moron? No.

Does he know whether or not I've ever been to the Venetian? No. (I've actually spent quite a bit of time there.)
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
mkl654321
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November 7th, 2010 at 6:34:01 PM permalink
Quote: JerryLogan

Typical shoot-from-the-hip nonsense delivered by someone with very little to no experience in a luxury resort/casino environment.

I play at Venetian/Palazzo all the time and I play $1 to as high as $10 sometimes, and it's one of the two casinos I am ahead at. So tell your wife not to be afraid to play any denomination she likes and in fact, the higher the denomination the better slot return and pay table. Then tell mkl to actually GO to the Venetian before he starts in with the know-it-all stuff again.

The Grand Lux Cafe has excellent food, but the gourmet restaurants are far better and offer a much more satisfying experience when you're staying in a high end resort like that. The comment above was made by someone who thinks the El Cortex serves up world class grub, and he'll take his wife to Ellis Island for their 25th wedding anniversary. So enjoy yourselves and don't let a known cheapskate ruin your time for you.



Yo, asshole:

It's called the "El Cortez", not the "El Cortex". Can't you even spell?

I never said that the El Cortez had "world class cuisine". I said that the steak house had very good food. Don't be a lying douchebag, and don't put words in my mouth.

"Little or no experience in..." LOL, as some here would say. Eight years working in high-end Strip properties, thousands of hours playing in them, over 200 nights staying in those hotels...no, no experience at all.

Really, Jerry, you shithead, you have absolutely not the slightest idea of what you're talking about, so why don't you keep your mouth shut rather than showing all of us here what an ignorant ass you are?
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
Doc
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November 7th, 2010 at 6:47:01 PM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

Yo, asshole:

It's called the "El Cortez", not the "El Cortex". Can't you even spell?

I never said that the El Cortez had "world class cuisine". I said that the steak house had very good food. Don't be a lying douchebag, and don't put words in my mouth.

"Little or no experience in..." LOL, as some here would say. Eight years working in high-end Strip properties, thousands of hours playing in them, over 200 nights staying in those hotels...no, no experience at all.

Really, Jerry, you shithead, you have absolutely not the slightest idea of what you're talking about, so why don't you keep your mouth shut rather than showing all of us here what an ignorant ass you are?

mkl, we all know what Jerry is like, so I won't bother commenting directly on the details of your post.

On the other hand, you and I agree fairly often, and when we disagree, we can debate a point politely. But as for this current thread, I don't really understand how you can post a comment claiming that you aren't arguing with Jerry then immediately follow it with this post! I think you might lose some cred (not that Jerry thinks you have any.)

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