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May 4th, 2012 at 8:38:54 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Certainly not. Aside from the fact that he undoubtedly has other functions to perform there he surely can not comment upon any aspect of his employer's business.


I was thinking more in terms of him being able to point us to an "official" source or statement to clarify.
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May 23rd, 2012 at 2:14:27 PM permalink
Just back from our Vegas trip. No comps ($100/hand BJ, $1+ slots). I do have a couple thousand slot points w/Grazie which might have gotten me a bit of additional slot play but the slots were so tight (notoriously so in the first place but I think they've gotten even tighter) I wasn't really interested.
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May 23rd, 2012 at 3:23:29 PM permalink
Strange. Did you do that 100 a hand BJ for their magic four hours?
Who did you approach prior to checking out? They have a credit desk next to their lowest craps table and its best to "drop by" and speak to whoever is on duty there awhile before checking out if you don't have an actual host.
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May 23rd, 2012 at 6:53:31 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Strange. Did you do that 100 a hand BJ for their magic four hours?
Who did you approach prior to checking out? They have a credit desk next to their lowest craps table and its best to "drop by" and speak to whoever is on duty there awhile before checking out if you don't have an actual host.


Yes to both questions. The "duty" hostess at the credit desk didn't elaborate on what the computer said about my play, only that I didn't qualify for anything. Based on previous trips I wasn't particularly surprised (but, hey, I can hope...).
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July 30th, 2014 at 8:13:06 PM permalink
Does anybody know if they are still not sending mailers to low to mid level players? I am going to be going to Vegas in November, and plan on playing some green chip blackjack. I would like to stay at the Venetian, but I would like to get some mailers for my play where I stay (I have only been to Vegas once, and barely gambled since I was there a short time and mainly wanted to see the sights.)
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July 30th, 2014 at 8:25:53 PM permalink
Quote: kdawg

Does anybody know if they are still not sending mailers to low to mid level players? I am going to be going to Vegas in November, and plan on playing some green chip blackjack. I would like to stay at the Venetian, but I would like to get some mailers for my play where I stay (I have only been to Vegas once, and barely gambled since I was there a short time and mainly wanted to see the sights.)



Don't play blackjack at the Venetian. It's all 6:5, except for very high-limit tables.

At the green chip level you will have no problems finding 3:2 games all over the strip, other than Venetian/Palazzo. You will probably have to settle for H17 though, unless you are ok with $50 minimum.

If you are ok with $50 miniumum, several MGM properties have a good 6-deck game. I doubt that you will get great offers, but you can get your room comped at that level, and probably your food too, depending how much you play.
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July 30th, 2014 at 8:36:22 PM permalink
I played 60/hand PGP (minimum; I go up from there when I win) for 14 hours over 3 days, over 2 months ago. I've never heard from them. Don't know if that's long enough, but I would have expected to hear from them by now if I were going to.
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July 30th, 2014 at 8:36:41 PM permalink
I knew about the Venetian blackjack dropping to 6:5, but the blackjack survey here says there is a double deck game with a $25 minimum that I was hoping actually existed... If not, then that would be the final nail in the coffin.

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Quote: beachbumbabs

I played 60/hand PGP (minimum; I go up from there when I win) for 14 hours over 3 days, over 2 months ago. I've never heard from them. Don't know if that's long enough, but I would have expected to hear from them by now if I were going to.



Thanks for the info. My fiance has stayed at the Venetian before, and she says the hotel is amazing. I would like to have it as a sort of "home base," but but $150 a night with no chance of it being lowered and no good green chip blackjack would kill it for me.

Thank you guys for the prompt replies!
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July 30th, 2014 at 8:41:13 PM permalink
Quote: kdawg

I knew about the Venetian blackjack dropping to 6:5, but the blackjack survey here says there is a double deck game with a $25 minimum that I was hoping actually existed... If not, then that would be the final nail in the coffin.



I haven't actually been there to check it out, but I thought I remembered reading that all tables other than a few at $200 min or higher would be 6:5. It's possible that I am mis-remembering though -- does someone who knows for sure want to comment?

I do know that the Mandalay Bay has DD games out on the main floor at $25 minimum. They are H17; other than that the rules are good. The house edge is going to be around 0.5%. They have the same game with S17 in the high limit rooms of just about every MGM casino. It's usually $100 or $200 min; I think I've seen it at $50 once (at NYNY)
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July 30th, 2014 at 8:43:52 PM permalink
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July 30th, 2014 at 8:46:12 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

I haven't actually been there to check it out, but I thought I remembered reading that all tables other than a few at $200 min or higher would be 6:5. It's possible that I am mis-remembering though -- does someone who knows for sure want to comment?

I do know that the Mandalay Bay has DD games out on the main floor at $25 minimum. They are H17; other than that the rules are good. The house edge is going to be around 0.5%. They have the same game with S17 in the high limit rooms of just about every MGM casino. It's usually $100 or $200 min; I think I've seen it at $50 once (at NYNY)



Yeah, I read the Wizard's thread about it, but then I saw the survey which has that DD game I was talking about. Which is why I asked 8)
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July 30th, 2014 at 8:46:29 PM permalink
The 3-2 DD BJ is $50 min now. There was some $25 min 3-2 DD when they first went to 6-5 but those are gone.
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July 30th, 2014 at 8:53:23 PM permalink
Quote: Pokeraddict

The 3-2 DD BJ is $50 min now. There was some $25 min 3-2 DD when they first went to 6-5 but those are gone.


This is what I experienced at Venetian/Palazzo in April: several DD games that still paid 3-2 but were $50 minimum. All shoe games 6-5.
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July 30th, 2014 at 8:55:02 PM permalink
Sorry, my mistake. I didn't realize that they only did it for shoe games.

Are the DD games S17? If not, you can find better games on the strip for $25 (or, at least, the same game for $25, and better ones for $50).
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July 30th, 2014 at 10:01:31 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Sorry, my mistake. I didn't realize that they only did it for shoe games.

Are the DD games S17? If not, you can find better games on the strip for $25 (or, at least, the same game for $25, and better ones for $50).



DD games on the floor are H17. I am told there was $200 S17 games in the salon but I have never seen them when doing surveys.

For $50 you can get S17 DD at TI for sure. You might could get it as low as $25 at Mirage, though I would expect it to be $50+ often.
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July 30th, 2014 at 10:51:49 PM permalink
What would a $200 average for 4hrs per day on Pai Gow Tiles be likely to get in terms of comps at the Venetian/Palazzo these days?
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July 31st, 2014 at 1:03:39 AM permalink
Quote: Aussie

What would a $200 average for 4hrs per day on Pai Gow Tiles be likely to get in terms of comps at the Venetian/Palazzo these days?

I wish I knew for sure. I've heard that officially the Venetian re-opened their arms to mid level players, but i've heard that so far its largely in their press releases, NOT in their actual Comps. My only sources these days are the Florida poker players who meet regularly for breakfast and discuss their out of town trips. They seem to do nothing but gamble and travel. The last comment about the Venetian was from a poker and craps player who said the Venetian's "welcome back mid level players" was pure "BS".
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July 31st, 2014 at 4:14:46 AM permalink
Just FYI for a fact it takes 90 days at least for the mailers to kick in- I played in early November on a diff card and mailers did not kick in till march- that being said venetian mailers are some if the best I ever had- given I'm def at black chips and higher but great mailer - free room 500-1000 in food and promo chips- they have the best and fastest VIP check in - in all of Vegas- their Xmas in July offer wasn't bad either got my normal promo chips plus a great amount to shop in the convention center with
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July 31st, 2014 at 5:38:38 AM permalink
Quote: strictlyAP

Just FYI for a fact it takes 90 days at least for the mailers to kick in- I played in early November on a diff card and mailers did not kick in till march- that being said venetian mailers are some if the best I ever had- given I'm def at black chips and higher but great mailer - free room 500-1000 in food and promo chips- they have the best and fastest VIP check in - in all of Vegas- their Xmas in July offer wasn't bad either got my normal promo chips plus a great amount to shop in the convention center with

I believe you posted some nice lady pic at the balcony before. Please keep it up.
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July 31st, 2014 at 5:46:27 AM permalink
Since you asked so nicely- same girl but clothed in Walkway at Cosmo or that might be aria , cant remember ---going to eat http://i.imgur.com/wVMf73E.jpg
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July 31st, 2014 at 5:52:48 AM permalink
Literally views from the Cosmo are insane and huge rooms http://i.imgur.com/3wM5eat.jpg
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July 31st, 2014 at 6:31:56 AM permalink
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Since you asked so nicely- same girl but clothed in Walkway at Cosmo or that might be aria , cant remember ---going to eat http://i.imgur.com/wVMf73E.jpg

Thanks. BTW I prefer(We prefer) the first one.
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July 31st, 2014 at 7:15:04 AM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Sorry, my mistake. I didn't realize that they only did it for shoe games.

Are the DD games S17? If not, you can find better games on the strip for $25 (or, at least, the same game for $25, and better ones for $50).


As noted the DD games on the main floor are H17, and the penetration sucks, 50% on the dot.
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July 31st, 2014 at 7:36:27 AM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

If you are ok with $50 miniumum, several MGM properties have a good 6-deck game. I doubt that you will get great offers, but you can get your room comped at that level, and probably your food too, depending how much you play.

Maybe I am doing something wrong. I play at this level for around 4-5 hrs per day at MGM and I am lucky to get the resort fee comped. I get offers for 1 night Sunday through Thursday.
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July 31st, 2014 at 1:01:20 PM permalink
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Maybe I am doing something wrong. I play at this level for around 4-5 hrs per day at MGM and I am lucky to get the resort fee comped. I get offers for 1 night Sunday through Thursday.



Do you have a host? You will get very little without one. My friend plays craps at about the $50 level and he always gets his room comped (though not much more).

The default offers will not be good. You really need to go through a host. You can always ask for one.
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July 31st, 2014 at 1:43:07 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Do you have a host? You will get very little without one. My friend plays craps at about the $50 level and he always gets his room comped (though not much more).

The default offers will not be good. You really need to go through a host. You can always ask for one.

I may have one now. I got an email from someone the other day introducing herself as my personal MGM Grand representative. Is that a real host?
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July 31st, 2014 at 2:30:19 PM permalink
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I may have one now. I got an email from someone the other day introducing herself as my personal MGM Grand representative. Is that a real host?



Sounds like it to me, although that has never happened to me at any casino. They have always introduced themselves in person (usually called over by the pit) and given me a card.

Check the MGM Grand website and make sure she is a real host, and has a real MGM Grand email address. Who is she? PM me if you don't want to say?
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July 31st, 2014 at 2:45:40 PM permalink
BTW, my host's emails always from from an @lv.mgmgrand.com email address. General casino offers may come from a different domain, but personal emails from the host always come from there.
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July 31st, 2014 at 2:55:14 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

BTW, my host's emails always from from an @lv.mgmgrand.com email address. General casino offers may come from a different domain, but personal emails from the host always come from there.

The domain name is @eod.mgmresorts.com. I will pm her name.
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July 31st, 2014 at 3:36:07 PM permalink
Quote: JimRockford

Maybe I am doing something wrong. I play at this level for around 4-5 hrs per day at MGM and I am lucky to get the resort fee comped. I get offers for 1 night Sunday through Thursday.



Is that 5 hours total in a day, or 5 hours in a row?

I have found that makes a HUGE difference. If you play at least a 4 hour single session, you should see better comp results. I'm not sure what happens if you play 4 hours, but change tables every hour. If you stay in the same pit, I would expect it would still be looked at as a single 4 hour session, but make sure they know you moved.
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November 17th, 2015 at 11:36:22 PM permalink
I played about an hour's worth of UTH at the $25 level and ran about $50 @ $1.25 per spin through a WoF slot last September at the Venetian. Starting in September of this year, I've been inundated with mailers offering (3 free nights + promo).
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November 17th, 2015 at 11:40:49 PM permalink
Quote: flyingnite

I played about an hour's worth of UTH at the $25 level and ran about $50 @ $1.25 per spin through a WoF slot last September at the Venetian. Starting in September of this year, I've been inundated with mailers offering (3 free nights + promo).



Nice!

I ran about 20 hours of play at 50-80/hand of PaiGowPoker through them in 3 days, and have never heard from them. Never. Played maybe $100 in slots during that time, 10/hand UTH for about 2 hours as well.
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November 23rd, 2015 at 6:03:03 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Nice!

I ran about 20 hours of play at 50-80/hand of PaiGowPoker through them in 3 days, and have never heard from them. Never. Played maybe $100 in slots during that time, 10/hand UTH for about 2 hours as well.



UTH @ 25 for one hour 50 @1.25/spin === 3 free nights promo and mailers galore.

UTH @ 10 for ten hours, PGP@ 60 for 20 hours, Misc. slots $100.00 === zilch in offers or mailings.

What could be the reason for a computer doing such weird things. A PB I could understand, but a computer?

Weekend versus Weekday?

Drift in versus room there?

Some hotels identify players by the blocks of their rooms, so that even you don't wear a conventioneer's badge, they know that is why you are in town for. Just as they charge more for conventioneer's rooms perhaps their programs judge such people more harshly.
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November 24th, 2015 at 6:54:11 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

UTH @ 25 for one hour 50 @1.25/spin === 3 free nights promo and mailers galore.

UTH @ 10 for ten hours, PGP@ 60 for 20 hours, Misc. slots $100.00 === zilch in offers or mailings.

What could be the reason for a computer doing such weird things. A PB I could understand, but a computer?

Weekend versus Weekday?

Drift in versus room there?

Some hotels identify players by the blocks of their rooms, so that even you don't wear a conventioneer's badge, they know that is why you are in town for. Just as they charge more for conventioneer's rooms perhaps their programs judge such people more harshly.



We were the only two players at the table and we were playing the $5 progressive initially so maybe they rated us higher.

It was a weekday and we were drift-ins.

It may have something to do with my age and ethnicity. 30s and Asian.
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November 24th, 2015 at 7:13:20 PM permalink
I have walked through Venetian and Palazzo plenty of times to go to Grimaldi's for pizza and I cannot name one occasion wherein I saw more than a handful of people in the Palazzo — it seems to me to be an afterthought of the Venetian - am I just passing through at the wrong times?
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November 24th, 2015 at 7:20:08 PM permalink
The Palazzo does get busy during the night, and during the day when the conventioneers break for lunch.
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November 24th, 2015 at 7:34:40 PM permalink
During G2E the dice tables at Palazzo were quite packed at night. I was at a table across from the CEO of a regional gaming operator when there was some pretty loud screaming -- louder than normal, that is. The main floor of the Palazzo is laid out like a giant concourse and a drunk woman at one end had spotted her friend from the far end of it. She started yelling and ran toward her friend, plowing through a few people before faceplanting about 2/3 of the way there. When she hit the deck everyone started clapping.
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November 24th, 2015 at 7:35:33 PM permalink
I didn't care for the Palazzo, too dark.

Nor did I care for Encore: too red.

But hey, the Venetian sent me a mailer for free room and free play, so they can't be all bad.

Wynn offered me nothing.
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June 15th, 2016 at 10:34:18 PM permalink
Just booked 3 nights at The Venetian in mid August (wed, thurs & fri) on a $150 free resort credit package - Total cost was like $189/nt average plus tax plus resort fee.

Does anyone have any thoughts on how much would likely to be comped based on a minimum of say 5hrs per day of Pai Gow Tiles @$150 average bet plus maybe another hour or so per day Craps at perhaps $100 average bet?
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June 16th, 2016 at 1:40:21 AM permalink
No but it seems the slots paid the most back . We just spent 5 day's there about a month ago @ $300.00 per night and after bout 3k shoved through the slots , my wife got two nights comped back on the room and 200.00 in free slot play . I will say this as well , they have the HARDEST to understand comp system . It took us an hour and two floor personnel to figure how to get the slot credits to work off the Grazi card .

I played BJ on two of " the group machines " where 5 people play with one dealer on a screen almost the entire time I was there and got back a WHOPPING $10.00 . Also to note : The Venetian has the TIGHTEST slots . The Wzz claims it in his hotel review and it is the TRUTH. Not two many bells rang the entire time we were there .
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June 16th, 2016 at 3:21:35 AM permalink
I haven't played there in 6 years (2010). When I did, I think I dumped about $1500 on slots.

This year I've gotten an offer from them every single month. The current August offer is 3 nights in a suite at V or P, $150 freeplay, 2 tickets to the show Human Nature.

The Venetian offers continued for about 3 years after I played, then stopped for 2 years, now started back up this year. Good luck finding anyone that can figure their system out.
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June 16th, 2016 at 5:46:10 AM permalink
Quote: Aussie

Does anyone have any thoughts on how much would likely to be comped based on a minimum of say 5hrs per day of Pai Gow Tiles @$150 average bet plus maybe another hour or so per day Craps at perhaps $100 average bet?



When I visited the Venetian, about a year ago, they had removed their pai gow tiles game. The pitboss on the floor said he thought it had moved to the high limit room, But I checked and it was clearly not there. Does anybody know if this situation has changed? Even so, there might still be a table at Palazzo.
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June 16th, 2016 at 12:17:15 PM permalink
Quote: PapaChubby

When I visited the Venetian, about a year ago, they had removed their pai gow tiles game. The pitboss on the floor said he thought it had moved to the high limit room, But I checked and it was clearly not there. Does anybody know if this situation has changed? Even so, there might still be a table at Palazzo.

There's a table in the Venetian, not one in the Palazzo. (You may have gotten the two confused).
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June 16th, 2016 at 12:21:50 PM permalink
At the palazzo the pai gow tiles was moved to the high limit room and isn't always open/ at the Venetian side there are still 2-3 tables on the main floor also I saw somewhere someone said encore removed tiles. But they still had it... Mirage has removed it totally
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June 16th, 2016 at 4:04:43 PM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

At the palazzo the pai gow tiles was moved to the high limit room and isn't always open/ at the Venetian side there are still 2-3 tables on the main floor also I saw somewhere someone said encore removed tiles. But they still had it... Mirage has removed it totally




How recent is this information? Just asking as if there were to be no tiles at either Venetian or Palazzo then I would probably cancel and stay somewhere else.
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June 16th, 2016 at 6:42:35 PM permalink
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June 16th, 2016 at 9:09:15 PM permalink
Quote: Aussie

How recent is this information? Just asking as if there were to be no tiles at either Venetian or Palazzo then I would probably cancel and stay somewhere else.

I'll be in Vegas in two weeks and will probably have a chance to verify tiles tables at Venetian/Palazzo.
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June 16th, 2016 at 9:27:31 PM permalink
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April




Perfect. Thanks.
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June 16th, 2016 at 10:17:07 PM permalink
April 28th to be exact , had to double check date
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June 16th, 2016 at 10:19:39 PM permalink
Just FYI, I'd be shocked considering the clientele if they closed their tiles table/ it's still around at plenty of places around town although Cosmo and mirage have removed it entirely .
Bellagio still usually has two tables open
Mgm has 2 or more
Wynn and encore both have it- Wynn has more tables available of it the encore


Most casinos on the east coast have it
No longer hiring, don’t ask because I won’t hire you either
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