Should betting systems forum posts be removed from the recent threads list?
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It seems to me that most of the posts that are plugging things up are posted in the "betting systems" area. I propose that the betting systems forum should be supressed from the recent threads list, and I am wondering if others agree with me. I don't think it should be taken away entirely, as it does interest some members. But I think it might be better for the community as a whole if the betting systems area were treated like the free-speech zone of GLBT area where posts are recorded but not listed in the "recent threads" list. People wanting to read about betting systems would simply need to more proactively seek that area out.
Quote: boymimboit's just a phase.
So we thought of Jerry and MKL.
As for the betting systems threads, I don't mind them, but I don't read all of them either. I suppose the folks who are interested in them could say the same about the "game design" thread. It's a tough call to decide for everyone. It may be better to err on the side of too many displayed than not enough.
Quote: AyecarumbaPerhaps a better solution is the development of the option for each user to customize which discussions will appear on their "recent" list. That way you can take or leave whatever interests you.
Plus one... that's the way to deal with it, allow suppression of entire sections for those who want it.
I enjoy the systems section.
Quote: thecesspitPlus one... that's the way to deal with it, allow suppression of entire sections for those who want it.
I enjoy the systems section.
Doesn't bother me so much, you don't have to click on them. Either ban them all together, or keep it as it is.
Banish them? No.
Regardless of what anyone or the smart money thinks about "systems", whether for sports or for regular betting, there should be no encoumberances to free discussion.
If betting systems do not interest you personally, it is not the reason to take them out of the list. To some, who do not play craps, the craps related threads are equally uninteresting. To others, who don't visit Vegas much, the whole bunch of subforums dedicated to individual Vegas casinos isn't interesting, etc.
I think, the idea is that, if you reply to a thread, you sorta "declare" that it interests you in some way. Consequently, the recent threads list is a list of threads that interested some people most recently. I think, it is appropriate ...
If people did not want BS (betting systems - pun intended) threads in the recent list, because they did not interest them, they would just not reply to them, and let them get dropped off the list.
(The issue with some people reposting the same stuff, and bumping old threads that are not getting attention is a different one. I do think that this should not be tolerated).
That is how people learn why and how betting system doesn't work.
So I don't mind the betting system post.
We know that 00 roulette, on a random wheel, has a 5.26 percent HA. We know that the effects of martingaling will, more times than not, yield a small win for the player but will turn out in disaster on rare but predictable occasions.
We know that craps can't be beaten, and that any combination of bets just changes the average HA of all of them, and that hedging ultimately doesn't work.
The betting systems add flavor to the site, IMO.
Quote: boymimboWe know that craps can't be beaten.....
?!? HOW DARE YOU.........
Craps may be beatable if using dice setting.
Quote: MrCasinoGamesCraps may be beatable if using dice setting.
Proof please... anybody... anybody... Bueller?
Quote: AyecarumbaProof please... anybody... anybody... Bueller?
The premise is that dice setting can alter the expected distribution of dice outcomes. If it can, craps is easily beatable. The hard part is convincing anyone that the dice can be influenced.
Don't throw him under the bus for such a statement.Quote: MrCasinoGamesCraps may be beatable if using dice setting.
He DID use the keyword "may"...
Quote: DJTeddyBearDon't throw him under the bus for such a statement.
Absolutely. One should not be angry either at Pandora or the Box, but rather at the gods who put all those things in it :)
I would love to do a serious dice control experiment someday.
About dice setting, please make a separate thread for that, or post to one of the many existing threads about it.
Quote: DJTeddyBearDon't throw him under the bus for such a statement.
He DID use the keyword "may"...
Thanks DJTeddyBear,
For pointing out the keyword "may"...
Quote: AyecarumbaPerhaps a better solution is the development of the option for each user to customize which discussions will appear on their "recent" list. That way you can take or leave whatever interests you.
As for the betting systems threads, I don't mind them, but I don't read all of them either. I suppose the folks who are interested in them could say the same about the "game design" thread. It's a tough call to decide for everyone. It may be better to err on the side of too many displayed than not enough.
+1
Quote: weaselmanI don't get the rationale. Yes, betting system are useless, but it does not necessarily make them uninteresting. There are many interesting things that are pretty useless. Gambling is one of them.
I have to agree on this one. I like hearing about some of them so if the topic comes up I can at least discuss it. For good to warn people why they will not work. For bad to let someone think they are explining they just discovered gravity when I know I have been stuck to the ground for years.
That is how people learn why and how betting system doesn't work. "
Well stated, Stephen. Let's try and educate players at all levels
Quote: s2dbakerThe betting systems threads have been comedy gold! I especially like the ones that insist that past results are indicative of future returns. They are so earnest yet so wrong.
Comedy gold. I hardly think so, past result are indicative of the need to invest in GOLD !
Quote: MarieBicurieI do think that it brings the quality of discussion and ultimately the intelligence of the forum down a few pegs. I also highly doubt that it is a phase that will go away in time.
Then dont read (or respond) them, problem solved on your end, correct?
Ken
Quote: s2dbakerThe betting systems threads have been comedy gold! I especially like the ones that insist that past results are indicative of future returns. They are so earnest yet so wrong.
Man, that aint nothing. The guys throwing in the towel on roulette after only 9 total hours....now thats COMEDY GOLD !! (lol)
Ken
I see many Betting System threads having very good math in them. 98 steps has some great Craps stuff by alan, they need to be in their own thread.Quote: WizardAt the moment I favor leaving things as they are. It seems to me that the betting system threads tend to be among the most popular topics. As an example, the 98steps challenge thread.
The ones that read those threads by finding them in a search can learn a lot from them.
Some say guns should have no place in society.
Too dangerous and they kill too many people.
I say, learn how to use the gun and do not use it as a hammer when there are bullets in it...
Thanks Wizard for you free forum.
If you ever have a paid only section, for special members only for whatever, count me in.
We need more model photos.
Enjoy!
a negative expectation. But I would limit that thread to no more than 14 winning systems.
Quote: buzzpaffI for one am in favor of a seperate thread only for those system that have shown they can overcome
a negative expectation. But I would limit that thread to no more than 14 winning systems.
Will this same RULE of PROOF be for ALL bettors here?
Ken
in this forum to validate everyone's work. An intelligent reader will quickly recognize
those systems that actually do work !
Quote: buzzpaffI think we can accept the integrity of those posting. I see no need for the math experts
in this forum to validate everyone's work. An intelligent reader will quickly recognize
those systems that actually do work !
No, no, no....thats not what I meant. Will PROOF be shown for EACH individual here who says they WIN at the casino on a regular basis?
Ken
Quote: mrjjjNo, no, no....thats not what I meant. Will PROOF be shown for EACH individual here who says they WIN at the casino on a regular basis?
Ken
I see no need for that. After all, except for Paigowdan, we are all gentlemen here.
Quote: IbeatyouracesOnly the ones that supposedly beat unbeatable games, not those that beat proven beatable games.
Thats NOT the same as showing PROOF that you actually do it. Thats like me saying.....Ok, I count cards and am an AP (cough).
I net around 628K per year. Is that ok to post it because it deals with AP (cough)?
Ken
Ya see, that counts as an insult. (lol) With this rule, it would eliminate the attack posts in the thread, problem solved. I can understand, this rule would not be liked by all. ;)
Ken
Quote: IbeatyouracesWhats insulting are people that claim they can win/beat an unbeatable game without mathematical proof when we all know damn well that the game and any combo of bets have been picked apart and cannot overcome the house advantage so people can win. Not only is it insulting to all the math people, its insulting to the real people out there in anonymity playing casino games with a REAL mathematical edge on the game. I here the same BS all day, every day in the casinos about how these people win on this bet or that bet and all I see is these same people consistantly buying more chips to lose.
So you ADMIT (?), you are on the list that would be posting on such a thread. I assume you hate my new rule idea?
Ken
Quote: IbeatyouracesI dont "hate" anything, except my ex. Just be able to handle critism.
Ok, dislike my idea .....but if THOSE posts were not allowed on METHOD THREADS, it would drastically cut down on attacks and arguing, I assume.
Ken
Asking someone to explain why they think a method would work is not an insult. Just my opinion.
Quote: thecesspitThere's a world more information on how to beat games in one post on A.P.Heat Blog than almost every single betting systems post. That's not to say I haven't learnt a lot from betting Systems posts, but it's very rarely what the original poster intended me to learn.
Asking someone to explain why they think a method would work is not an insult. Just my opinion.
but if a guy starts a method thread stating......bet on the second column after every 5, 10 or 15 hits, why not just leave the guy alone?
Its a goofy method but why attack the guy? He's not hurting you. Do you know how many odd methods there are at VLS1 and VLS2 (I hope nobody gets pissed at me for saying that). As a mod., I scan it over for foul language etc. and let 'them' continue on, they are harming nobody.
Ken
Quote: mrjjjbut if a guy starts a method thread stating......bet on the second column after every 5, 10 or 15 hits, why not just leave the guy alone?
If he comes to this site, people are going to critically examine their methods.
Quote:
Its a goofy method but why attack the guy? He's not hurting you. Do you know how many odd methods there are at VLS1 and VLS2 (I hope nobody gets pissed at me for saying that). As a mod., I scan it over for foul language etc. and let 'them' continue on, they are harming nobody.
Why is he posting here? For acclimation, or acceptance?
It's a Math orientated site. If you don't want "Math boys" picking over your ideas, don't post. End of problem, see?
Quote: thecesspitIf he comes to this site, people are going to critically examine their methods.
Why is he posting here? For acclimation, or acceptance?
It's a Math orientated site. If you don't want "Math boys" picking over your ideas, don't post. End of problem, see?
"If he comes to this site, people are going to critically examine their methods" >>> Why? You sound like you endorse gang-like tactics of attacking? (big surprise)
"It's a Math orientated site. If you don't want "Math boys" picking over your ideas, don't post" >>> Well, until the rule changes to.....No more methods are allowed to be posted, I see no issue and I would NEVER not post out of fear of being ATTACKED, could careless. The math goofs are the last people that should be giving advice regarding methods. I want advice from the guys that have been in the trenches, guys that have put in more than 9 hours into their roulette studies.
Ken
Quote: FinsRuleLOL, the roulette trenches. It's tough out there for roulette players, isn't it?
(lol)...I see my POINT/question went in another direction.
Ken
Quote: mrjjj(lol)...I see my POINT/question went in another direction.
Ken
Sorry, I just picture you playing roulette, bullets flying everywhere around you. You're wearing a gas mask and writing down the last numbers that have hit. Pressing your bets...
Hey, it's Sunday morning and I'm at work - this is where my mind is right now.
