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weaselman
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July 15th, 2011 at 5:29:03 AM permalink
I don't get the rationale. Yes, betting system are useless, but it does not necessarily make them uninteresting. There are many interesting things that are pretty useless. Gambling is one of them.
If betting systems do not interest you personally, it is not the reason to take them out of the list. To some, who do not play craps, the craps related threads are equally uninteresting. To others, who don't visit Vegas much, the whole bunch of subforums dedicated to individual Vegas casinos isn't interesting, etc.
I think, the idea is that, if you reply to a thread, you sorta "declare" that it interests you in some way. Consequently, the recent threads list is a list of threads that interested some people most recently. I think, it is appropriate ...
If people did not want BS (betting systems - pun intended) threads in the recent list, because they did not interest them, they would just not reply to them, and let them get dropped off the list.
(The issue with some people reposting the same stuff, and bumping old threads that are not getting attention is a different one. I do think that this should not be tolerated).
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MrCasinoGames
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July 15th, 2011 at 7:30:27 AM permalink
Anything to do with gambling including betting system should be okay to post on this forum.
That is how people learn why and how betting system doesn't work.
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boymimbo
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July 15th, 2011 at 7:41:48 AM permalink
I agree. The people showing the systems have yet to prove anything. Every one of them has been mathematically refuted, and I think defusing betting systems is one of the very important roles of this forum. People with brains know that are certain ways to gain PA in a casino.

So I don't mind the betting system post.

We know that 00 roulette, on a random wheel, has a 5.26 percent HA. We know that the effects of martingaling will, more times than not, yield a small win for the player but will turn out in disaster on rare but predictable occasions.

We know that craps can't be beaten, and that any combination of bets just changes the average HA of all of them, and that hedging ultimately doesn't work.

The betting systems add flavor to the site, IMO.
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Ericayne
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July 15th, 2011 at 9:27:30 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

We know that craps can't be beaten.....



?!? HOW DARE YOU.........
MrCasinoGames
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July 15th, 2011 at 9:40:40 AM permalink
Craps can't be beaten if using betting systems.

Craps may be beatable if using dice setting.
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Ayecarumba
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July 15th, 2011 at 11:12:15 AM permalink
Quote: MrCasinoGames

Craps may be beatable if using dice setting.



Proof please... anybody... anybody... Bueller?
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MathExtremist
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July 15th, 2011 at 11:21:48 AM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Proof please... anybody... anybody... Bueller?


The premise is that dice setting can alter the expected distribution of dice outcomes. If it can, craps is easily beatable. The hard part is convincing anyone that the dice can be influenced.
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DJTeddyBear
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July 15th, 2011 at 11:56:00 AM permalink
Quote: MrCasinoGames

Craps may be beatable if using dice setting.

Don't throw him under the bus for such a statement.

He DID use the keyword "may"...
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Nareed
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July 15th, 2011 at 12:00:48 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Don't throw him under the bus for such a statement.



Absolutely. One should not be angry either at Pandora or the Box, but rather at the gods who put all those things in it :)

I would love to do a serious dice control experiment someday.
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Wizard
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July 15th, 2011 at 12:02:33 PM permalink
At the moment I favor leaving things as they are. It seems to me that the betting system threads tend to be among the most popular topics. As an example, the 98steps challenge thread. As has been noted, if the topic doesn't interest you, then don't visit those threads.

About dice setting, please make a separate thread for that, or post to one of the many existing threads about it.
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