Discussion about the Suspension List
Quote: FleaStiffJust how often do you oil your snake?
Once a week but that is a little private isn't it? :)
Quote: FleaStiffJust how often do you oil your snake?
I flog the one eyed snake twice a day on average. After admitting that on a public forum, I hope that falls somewhat within the average of all non-married, adult males.
Have you made love to your ugly wife lately?
Quote: FleaStiffOnly once a week? And you do it yourself? Whatsamatter? No teenage girls in your town?
I prefer the company of older ladies, teenage girls just hurt :)
Quote: BuzzardSlightly off subject, but while hiding from feds in USAF, got into a fight with a redneck in Greenville, Mississippi. He was sergeant, I was Airman third class. He was shitfaced drunk, so I caught a break when MP's showed. Still got busted to AB. Not for the fight, but for the tourniquet I was tightening around his neck to stop the cut on his head from bleeding.
If Aceofspades had been there, I am sure I would have beat the wrap. After all, I did have medical training.
"Your honor, I was just applying a tourniquet around his neck to staunch the bleeding from his head." Greatest defense story I've ever heard.
Yeah, I tried the same thing. Said I had had a bit too much of the Creature and stumbled against the shop window and was looking in the cash register for a pencil so I could leave my name and address.Quote: mickeycrimm"Your honor, I was just applying a tourniquet around his neck to staunch the bleeding from his head." Greatest defense story I've ever heard.
By the way is "rap" not "wrap".
And as they say, you may beat the rap but you'll never beat the ride.
Quote: Swanson234I flog the one eyed snake twice a day on average. After admitting that on a public forum, I hope that falls somewhat within the average of all non-married, adult males.
Have you made love to your ugly wife lately?
How the Hell did we get on this? J/K
I'm not deigning to answer the question...lol
Quote: mickeycrimm"Your honor, I was just applying a tourniquet around his neck to staunch the bleeding from his head." Greatest defense story I've ever heard.
Gee Mickey Reminds me of my sweethearts favorite line :
“JUDGE: Are you trying to show contempt for this court?
MAE WEST: I was doin' my best to hide it.”
Quote: WizardDicenor33 - personal insult - three days.
I didn't really read Dicenor's comment as an insult. It would have been an insult if he meant, "you are a crybaby". I took it more to mean he was suggesting Ace is in the infant stage of counting and still has some growing to do before he is really ready.
I am not defending anything, just raising the possibility of a different interpretation that you may not have considered, Wiz
Quote: kewljQuote: WizardDicenor33 - personal insult - three days.
I didn't really read Dicenor's comment as an insult. It would have been an insult if he meant, "you are a crybaby". I took it more to mean he was suggesting Ace is in the infant stage of counting and still has some growing to do before he is really ready.
I am not defending anything, just raising the possibility of a different interpretation that you may not have considered, Wiz
could have chosen different words. The way it was worded definitely read as an insult in my book.
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Quote: GWAEQuote: kewljQuote: WizardDicenor33 - personal insult - three days.
I didn't really read Dicenor's comment as an insult. It would have been an insult if he meant, "you are a crybaby". I took it more to mean he was suggesting Ace is in the infant stage of counting and still has some growing to do before he is really ready.
I am not defending anything, just raising the possibility of a different interpretation that you may not have considered, Wiz
could have chosen different words. The way it was worded definitely read as an insult in my book.
I would say "should" have chosen different words because when I first read it, I definitely read it the way you and Wizard did, GWAE. But after reading kewlj's interpretation, I could see it being meant that way as well where the malicious intent is not really there, but that one word is a terrible one to use because it's use going to be misinterpreted easily.
And considering Wizard only has so much time to read posts, especially in a thread that has ballooned to 54 pages in a week, I'm not surprised with the decision. I probably make the same decision initially under the "new rules".
Quote: DeucekiesFrom this outsider's perspective, I think a whole slew of personal attacks and trolling went unpunished in that thread. I was going to post a play-by-play of my next trip to Vegas. Definitely not going to now.
+1
There was some definite trolling in that thread.
Quote: DeucekiesFrom this outsider's perspective, I think a whole slew of personal attacks and trolling went unpunished in that thread. I was going to post a play-by-play of my next trip to Vegas. Definitely not going to now.
That would be a shame, as there are many of us that enjoy reading the reports, and who ignore the trolling. OTOH, posting a blow by blow trip report does put one out there, and you do risk putting out information that you may later on wish you had not made public.
But the trip reports are some of the best reads on here
Quote: RaleighCrapsThat would be a shame, as there are many of us that enjoy reading the reports, and who ignore the trolling. OTOH, posting a blow by blow trip report does put one out there, and you do risk putting out information that you may later on wish you had not made public.
But the trip reports are some of the best reads on here
I fully agree. They're very entertaining, but the trolling isn't.
Quote: ams288+1
There was some definite trolling in that thread.
I felt it was more like "piling on" by multiple people pointing out the same thing(s) ("speed count is weaker than other counts"/"this amount of downswing happens occasionally, toughen up"). But I don't feel like one individual kept hammering at it to excess. And these "tough love" comments definitely outweighed any commiseration that I and a few others did try to offer.
Quote: RaleighCrapsThat would be a shame, as there are many of us that enjoy reading the reports, and who ignore the trolling. OTOH, posting a blow by blow trip report does put one out there, and you do risk putting out information that you may later on wish you had not made public.
But the trip reports are some of the best reads on here
I agree. Just don't admit doing mathematically unsound things like using a voodoo doll at the roulette wheel and that should keep most of the trolls away here. This forum tends to pride itself on gambling "optimally".
And I don't believe anyone who posted on there dislikes Ace, he is a hard guy not to like and most keep reading his posts because they enjoy them. I don't believe it was trolling and the person that got suspended probably could have changed his wording, but I wonder how many thought the same thing in how Ace was complaining about his run of "Bad Luck"?
Quote: tringlomaneI felt it was more like "piling on" by multiple people pointing out the same thing(s) ("speed count is weaker than other counts"/"this amount of downswing happens occasionally, toughen up"). But I don't feel like one individual kept hammering at it to excess. And these "tough love" comments definitely outweighed any commiseration that I and a few others did try to offer.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/18322-vegas-vacation-with-aos/34/#post364151
It's a thin line between trolling and "piling on," but I'd say there was some hammering to excess from some when Ace hit his stop loss point around pg 33 of the thread.
And it is very true that if you post details of your play at ANY game, if you are not playing the optimal mathematically correct way, you will be chastised for it This is one thing that I both like, and dislike, about this forum.
It is one thing if a poster says I am playing the best way, and they are not. That type of post should be refuted. However, if the poster is just posting about how they were playing, I'm not sure why 20 people need to point out that the poster is not playing optimally.
Ace knows SC is not that great, but he has made a conscious decision to use it. And it was pointed out that if he is recalling the hands accurately, it is likely no counting scheme would have saved him on the hands that Aria was pulling off. There really wasn't a need for so much bashing of speed count, even though most of the posters were truly trying to be helpful, not malicious.
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I think I called Ace a crybaby somewhere on his trip report ! Justice delayed is justice denied. I await my suspension !
Quote: Buzzard" Counting this, counting that, it's inability to quit, which is a cornerstone of gambling. Ace, you are still a little baby, you are not ready yet. '
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I think I called Ace a crybaby somewhere on his trip report ! Justice delayed is justice denied. I await my suspension !
Maybe he got suspended for pushing stop losses as a "cornerstone of gambling" :)
Quote: kewljI didn't really read Dicenor's comment as an insult.
I did.
Regarding others getting away with worse stuff, I arrived to the thread late. I view suspension like speeding, sometimes you get away with it and sometimes you don't. We mods don't read every post carefully.
Quote: BuzzardUsing that logic, all the dicesetters, baccarat trend, roulette martingales, etc. Gee it would be awful lonely in here.
The signal to noise ratio would just be higher.
Quote: BuzzardS/N ratio ? Your age is showing. We no longer live in an analog world. That's why when you call for service, someone in India answers.
Oh, man, Buzz is calling me old. That is not a good sign.
Quote: WizardRegarding others getting away with worse stuff, I arrived to the thread late. I view suspension like speeding, sometimes you get away with it and sometimes you don't. We mods don't read every post carefully.
I once told a variation of this to a middle school class I was substitute teaching.
Honestly sad to see. The dude is a nonconformist clearly and he probably won't care. I'll miss his posts.Quote: WizardTreetopbuddy has been nuked. He has had it coming for a long time. The straw the broke the camel's back was this one.
I'm glad I didn't piggy back off his Tunica post now. I like commenting.
Edit to add:
I used to always laugh at his old catch phrase "some sweet young thing". Edit: That's Fleastiff-oops. Still he interacted with ideas of the nongeniuses-good quality.
Quote: socksI once told a variation of this to a middle school class I was substitute teaching.
I'm sure they understood the concept too.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI'll miss his posts.
I won't.
lolQuote: Wizard
I won't.
I would hope not or it sure would be quite the contradiction.
Quote: WizardTreetopbuddy has been nuked. He has had it coming for a long time. The straw the broke the camel's back was this one.
I actually did an evaluation on the Treetopbuddy horse system about a year ago.
His system was, 10 or more horses, favorite 5/4 or less, bet favorite to win and place.
This situation doesn't come up much but I was able to put together some numbers looking at multiple tracks scanning results going back several months.
In the end the system of course failed. Tree made a lot of excuses.
I was extremely skeptical to start with, rake is just too much, even with a system where betting is very infrequent due to waiting for rare circumstances.
Quote: DeucekiesFrom this outsider's perspective, I think a whole slew of personal attacks and trolling went unpunished in that thread. I was going to post a play-by-play of my next trip to Vegas. Definitely not going to now.
I agree. If you post a trip report - I will be a welcome reader thereof.
Quote: RaleighCrapsI agree that trolling is probably not the right word to describe the majority of the thread. There were a couple of posts that seemed to have no real purpose other than to provoke a response, but it was only a couple.
And it is very true that if you post details of your play at ANY game, if you are not playing the optimal mathematically correct way, you will be chastised for it This is one thing that I both like, and dislike, about this forum.
It is one thing if a poster says I am playing the best way, and they are not. That type of post should be refuted. However, if the poster is just posting about how they were playing, I'm not sure why 20 people need to point out that the poster is not playing optimally.
Ace knows SC is not that great, but he has made a conscious decision to use it. And it was pointed out that if he is recalling the hands accurately, it is likely no counting scheme would have saved him on the hands that Aria was pulling off. There really wasn't a need for so much bashing of speed count, even though most of the posters were truly trying to be helpful, not malicious.
Right - I realize I am using a sub-optimal count and that is my choice. When I am winning most of the year, the trolls disappear - it is only when I have a huge losing trip that they come out and chastise my choice of using SC.
If they know that my style of play annoys them, why do they continue to thoroughly read my reports (I suppose it is either (a) the "can't look away from a car wreck" scenario or (b) let's remind Ace how much smarter we are than he is)
Quote: WizardTreetopbuddy has been nuked. He has had it coming for a long time. The straw the broke the camel's back was this one.
No argument here, though I liked treetop. LIBERACE was a great showman. On his death bed, his greatest fear was only being remembered because he was gay. I was only 12 when his TV show started and 19 when it ended.
Here is 3 minutes of Liberace playing Boogie Woogie DAMN THAT MAN WAS TALENTED !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9nO9Ro_kd4
Quote: aceofspadesRight - I realize I am using a sub-optimal count and that is my choice. When I am winning most of the year, the trolls disappear - it is only when I have a huge losing trip that they come out and chastise my choice of using SC.
If they know that my style of play annoys them, why do they continue to thoroughly read my reports (I suppose it is either (a) the "can't look away from a car wreck" scenario or (b) let's remind Ace how much smarter we are than he is)
Ace, I fire at you whether you win or lose. I am not smarter than you. Just would like to see you win more often.
Quote: aceofspadesRight - I realize I am using a sub-optimal count and that is my choice. When I am winning most of the year, the trolls disappear - it is only when I have a huge losing trip that they come out and chastise my choice of using SC.
Because if we tell you how bad speed count is when you are winning, you just counter with "well, I'm ahead, so it must work".
This seems like a better time to point it out, since you might be more receptive to it. Of course it's results-oriented nonsense -- the count sucks just as much when you are winning as when you are losing.
Quote:If they know that my style of play annoys them, why do they continue to thoroughly read my reports (I suppose it is either (a) the "can't look away from a car wreck" scenario or (b) let's remind Ace how much smarter we are than he is)
Naaah, we just want you to win. It's especially painful because you are clearly capable of crushing the game. If people thought that you weren't smart, they would not be suggesting hi-lo or zen (these are not the simplest counts).
Quote: WizardTreetopbuddy has been nuked. He has had it coming for a long time. The straw the broke the camel's back was this one.
Wow. I don't remember his first 4 suspensions; he must be behaving badly in a bunch of threads I have blocked (I have a ton of blocked threads).
Quote: AcesAndEightsQuote: WizardTreetopbuddy has been nuked. He has had it coming for a long time. The straw the broke the camel's back was this one.
Wow. I don't remember his first 4 suspensions; he must be behaving badly in a bunch of threads I have blocked (I have a ton of blocked threads).
Possibly. He had blow up moments. This is his first infraction in over 6 months though, I believe.
Quote: terapinedQuote: WizardTreetopbuddy has been nuked. He has had it coming for a long time. The straw the broke the camel's back was this one.
I actually did an evaluation on the Treetopbuddy horse system about a year ago.
His system was, 10 or more horses, favorite 5/4 or less, bet favorite to win and place.
This situation doesn't come up much but I was able to put together some numbers looking at multiple tracks scanning results going back several months.
In the end the system of course failed. Tree made a lot of excuses.
I was extremely skeptical to start with, rake is just too much, even with a system where betting is very infrequent due to waiting for rare circumstances.
Yeah, that was funny. I remember being called an idiot when I said it wouldn't work...
Quote: FinsRuleWhat happened to buzz?
Personal insult(s) in the aceofspades thread. He literately also called for the suspension in the thread. He knew he was somewhat out of line, even if it was "tough love" for ace.
The dynamics of message boards can lead people to consider others with whom they are familiar to be like family, and to interact with them in that manner.
This level of casual familiarity can lead to the old "Dutch uncle" routine, or "tough love," which we now know to be perilous indeed.
Quote: MrVIt was my impression that he was trying to help and advise, not flame.
The dynamics of message boards can lead people to consider others with whom they are familiar to be like family, and to interact with them in that manner.
This level of casual familiarity can lead to the old "Dutch uncle" routine, or "tough love," which we now know to be perilous indeed.
I think Buzz was over the line personally. Especially with the "new rules". If he wrote this last year, then yeah I could see it sliding...
Quote: BeardgoatCalling someone a crybaby and a LOSER multiple times is not my definition of tough love
+1
He didn't mind saing what he wanted to say because he believed, if he was being correct and honest, he couldn't get into trouble?
Strange but hope the 7 days go by quick!
