Discussion about the Suspension List
Quote: tournamentkingProbably won't mean a thing to him. I help out at a clinic where we see binge drinkers, people who stumble in in drunken stupors, and hopeless regular drunks. I've said before Mickey appears to be a belligerent, dangerous drunk based on his crazy posts at times. It's also why I don't give any credence to his stories from years ago and why he's in such an oblivious place today. I wish he would get help.
Sorry buddy but you are the only who doesn't believe they are 100 percent credible.
That's because he dose not understand enough about AP to realize what rings true. He was not around doing this kind of stuff like others were. Its hard to understand something you went apart of or just cant figure out. I scene envy and jealously on his part.Quote: BozSorry buddy but you are the only who doesn't believe they are 100 percent credible.
This is probably why he hangs on Rob singers every word.
As for as AP goes in most cases it takes one to know one. I can usually spot an AP/hustler a mile away with in just a few seconds. This comes in handy when scouting for plays.
The night of Mission Nuggets.... while Mission, the Wizard and I were walking though the GN, we walked past what looked like a couple, They were playing VP, I knew quickly passing by them they were AP's. I tuned my head to get a better look, sure enough the guy quietly said to his female companion, "Hey that's the wizard!" as he looked past me towards Mike.
I wonder if they are reading this and will confirm.
Quote: BozSorry buddy but you are the only who doesn't believe they are 100 percent credible.
It's as basic as simple 2+2 equals 4 math. We see many alcohol abusers, and their other common traits are they smoke and they're either grossly overweight or skinny as a rail. Just plain unhealthy, which is why we feed them a nutritious meal as soon as they can hold something down. But when they do sober up for whatever amount of time, they go into escape mode, making up some of the most incredible stories of a life's journey much forgotten. It helps them think they still have meaning, and it's almost always based on an interest or knowledge they have. That's why I don't think they're credible. It has nothing to do with axel's ap-fetish with mickey.
Lazy thinking in my opinion. You don't know this guy and it's not fair to put him up as a liar just because you don't believe some other unrelated stranger. If the man says he did something, he did it.Quote: tournamentkingIt's as basic as simple 2+2 equals 4 math. We see many alcohol abusers, and their other common traits are they smoke and they're either grossly overweight or skinny as a rail. Just plain unhealthy, which is why we feed them a nutritious meal as soon as they can hold something down. But when they do sober up for whatever amount of time, they go into escape mode, making up some of the most incredible stories of a life's journey much forgotten. It helps them think they still have meaning, and it's almost always based on an interest or knowledge they have. That's why I don't think they're credible. It has nothing to do with axel's ap-fetish with mickey.
Quote: AxelWolfsure enough the guy quietly said to his female companion, "Hey that's the wizard!" .
You were so far away he could have said, Hey, I
got to take a wizz. You'll never know..
Quote: onenickelmiracleLazy thinking in my opinion. You don't know this guy and it's not fair to put him up as a liar just because you don't believe some other unrelated stranger. If the man says he did something, he did it.
I recall in another thread that an AP is only as good as his word...as in if he were to work with others and what not, if he were selfish and to run off with a big win or not. Seems most everyone likes mickey, that could say something as to his character. Drinking shouldn't play a part in whether you believe his stories or not. There are lots of sober liars out there too, probably just as many if not more than drunk liars.
Quote: Mission146Wait, what? I'd hate to pass the buck off on Wizard, but Wizard banned MickeyCrimm, not me! I was only on in the morning/early afternoon yesterday because I was off from work and had something going on yesterday evening.
Come on Mission. The Wiz is the Wiz, but you are the man behind the curtain.
WRONG. You're just repeating what you understood. It is just the easiest way.Quote: TranscendI recall in another thread that an AP is only as good as his word...as in if he were to work with others and what not, if he were selfish and to run off with a big win or not. Seems most everyone likes mickey, that could say something as to his character. Drinking shouldn't play a part in whether you believe his stories or not. There are lots of sober liars out there too, probably just as many if not more than drunk liars.
I'm not sure if this is just your attempt at humor or it's you being the normal you.Quote: EvenBobYou were so far away he could have said, Hey, I
got to take a wizz. You'll never know..
I never said I was so far away, I said I just walked past. And i clearly heard him and I pointed it out to both him and mission at the time. I don't know why a guy would turn in my direction and say,"Hey, I got to take a wizz.", While rubber necking, and not go take a wizz, at the time, no matter the case, My point was not that they recognized Mike My point was I can usually tell an AP by there mannerisms, largely on VP. I am 100% certain they were Advantage playing at this time. I don't know if they were full time or just making sure they had the best of it while on a Vacation. I could go back and see exactly what games they might have been playing and see what promos were going on at the time.
pretty sure I stated that with how I started the reply, but thanks.Quote: onenickelmiracleWRONG. You're just repeating what you understood. It is just the easiest way.
Quote: AxelWolfThe night of Mission Nuggets.... while Mission, the Wizard and I were walking though the GN, we walked past what looked like a couple, They were playing VP, I knew quickly passing by them they were AP's. I tuned my head to get a better look, sure enough the guy quietly said to his female companion, "Hey that's the wizard!" as he looked past me towards Mike.
I guess it's possible that it was just a coincidence that they were playing there when the Wizard walked by. If not, that's kinda creepy.
Quote: EvenBobEagilite got 7 days for profanity? Was there even a trial?
I doubt it was just for profanity; he was personally insulting another member as well.
Quote: tournamentkingIt's as basic as simple 2+2 equals 4 math. We see many alcohol abusers, and their other common traits are they smoke and they're either grossly overweight or skinny as a rail. Just plain unhealthy, which is why we feed them a nutritious meal as soon as they can hold something down. But when they do sober up for whatever amount of time, they go into escape mode, making up some of the most incredible stories of a life's journey much forgotten. It helps them think they still have meaning, and it's almost always based on an interest or knowledge they have. That's why I don't think they're credible. It has nothing to do with axel's ap-fetish with mickey.
Mickey rings absolutely true to me as well. He's an incredibly unique guy and very credible and straightforward, not just about his AP stuff. Axel doesn't have an ap-fetish; he just knows a fellow traveller when he sees one. You, on the other hand, it's great that you spend some time volunteering to help people looking for help, but if I were in trouble I don't think I'd want to have to ask you for it. You make an awful lot of unsolicited judgement calls on people (not just mickey) based on very little information and make a lot of unflattering assumptions that you are then married to. Your value system might work for you, but it's not the only one out there, thank goodness.
And FWIW, I was not at all offended by mickeycrimm's profanity; I agree that it was entirely in context and thought it was pithy and delightfully earthy. But it's the Wiz's living room. I have every faith that mickey not only understands, he agrees with the Wiz's call and will return.
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And FWIW, I was not at all offended by mickeycrimm's profanity; I agree that it was entirely in context and thought it was pithy and delightfully earthy. But it's the Wiz's living room. I have every faith that mickey not only understands, he agrees with the Wiz's call and will return.
Especially if he was supposed to get 7 days over 3 days, imo. I think Wiz is quite fair here.
Quote: EvenBobEagilite got 7 days for profanity? Was there even a trial?
It is just Egalite being Egalite. Not much of a big deal but it is the Wiz's turf so he will always call the shots. Ego will be back in no time. His recent bad experiences at the tables really got to him and it shows. It's not doing him any good for him to stick around here. It will just intensify that heat in his head. So the Wiz or Mission is actually doing him a favor.
Quote: EvenBobYou know it all guys crack me up. He got himself
banned on purpose, read his post. If we're lucky
he'll be back, don't count on it. He knows more
about actual playing and the real life of a gambler
than anybody I know. And you all just dismiss
him with a wave of the hand because he doesn't
fit into your fantasy. It's your loss..
You know, I hate flame wars and dislike even milder online quarreling. I would always be ready to dig what some gambler has to offer, whether or not I was buying into it all. Egalite went wrong with me when he was claiming to rake in 20k a month. To make a statement like that and back it up with total BS was too much for me to show any respect.
On vpfree I've seen him state his man-love for B. Dancer, then in the same post rip him a new one and declare some of the nastiest things about the guy. Clearly altered mind stuff. Honestly, when I came here and saw he was a member, I expected him to already be an accepted personality among seasoned posters, where his common drinking-induced belligerent posts were an ok way of life.
If he's really the treasure he's portrayed as, why don't several of his on-line "buddies" here make a trip up to wherever he is and try to save him? Or are you fearful that his imaginative stories will cease to exist after the effort. He needs help, he's probably a lonely soul who I'm sure reaches out with his unique posts, and friends are what he needs. I wish him the best.
Quote: tournamentkingTo sum this up: MC was suspended for profanity rants. Not a surprise given that around here he seems to be a well-known alcohol (and likely, substance) abuser. He's praised far and wide for this legend he paints of himself from some foregone day and continued even today in one of the more obscure locations, complete with charisma, character creations, and he even throws in the all-loving ap hook just for good measure.
On vpfree I've seen him state his man-love for B. Dancer, then in the same post rip him a new one and declare some of the nastiest things about the guy. Clearly altered mind stuff. Honestly, when I came here and saw he was a member, I expected him to already be an accepted personality among seasoned posters, where his common drinking-induced belligerent posts were an ok way of life.
If he's really the treasure he's portrayed as, why don't several of his on-line "buddies" here make a trip up to wherever he is and try to save him? Or are you fearful that his imaginative stories will cease to exist after the effort. He needs help, he's probably a lonely soul who I'm sure reaches out with his unique posts, and friends are what he needs. I wish him the best.
Quote: beardgoatI think calling him a likely substance abuser is out of line.
I agree with beardgoat, and it's what I'm talking about in judging other people. mickeycrimm is a loner who stays under the radar, drinks sometimes by his own admission, and ap's video slots and keno. These are the things he's told us about himself, not things we've assumed about him. He has friends here on that basis. It's not up to us to hunt him down and make him "come to Jesus" or to decide on the basis of drunken posts (a legal activity) that he's ill and wants or needs our interference. He's Popeye; he is what he is, and we like him for who he is. If he wants help, he's straightforward enough to ask for it, and I for one will be there.
Quote: boymimboHe has a strange roulette system that he uses to win money
uh-huh....
Quote:at the casinos and disses all of the rest of the systems.
Typical Republican, right wing, old fart (no insult intended).
Probably has FoxNews on 24/7.
Reminds me of my dad.
I like him.
And I bet he's alot more personable and friendly in person, though.
Yeah.. I doubt it. Here's my take.
He has a strange roulette system (this is pretty much the last point that we agree on). He loses his shirt just like everyone else who plays roulette, because, well, it's roulette, and the edge is north of 5%.
So, he loses, and doesn't really understand why. As a result, he is bitter and hates everyone who is actually intelligent, or somewhat educated, or understands basic math.
He likes to think that he has "street smarts", but anyone who really had "street smarts" would know that they couldn't beat roulette (regardless of whether they really understood the math). A hustler knows when he is being hustled, even if he doesn't understand exactly how. It takes one to know one, and all that.
Back to the bitterness: We all understand why he loses, and we can explain it clearly, and this bothers him. He is not the kind of person who will ever admit when he is wrong -- instead, he feels bitterness towards those who know more than him. That bitterness shows through in a lot of what he posts. He will pick a topic that he clearly knows nothing about, pick a position (often a completely indefensible one) and steadfastly defend it with completely illogical arguments.
Continuing with the bitterness: he never misses an opportunity to say anything bad about education or math. He trolls incessantly, and tries to pretend that he understands some grand betting scheme that none of us are smart enough to understand (except maybe his hero, Egalite).
It's kind of mean to laugh, but it's just so funny...
I have decide to serve a self imposed permanent suspension due to insults by Beethoven9th.
Just getting tired of being called names.
It was nice meeting the Wizard and Mission146 and other members.
Had a lot of fun at the mcnugget challenge videotaping.
Goodbye everyone.
Peace
Ed
Quote: terapinedHello all,
I have decide to serve a self imposed permanent suspension due to insults by Beethoven9th.
You're stomping your foot and taking your toys
and going home? B9 is a dastardly wascal, lol.
Can't be permanent unless declared for you, because you have the option of rescinding. Personally sometimes I get frustrated, but think a personal request for suspension is just too babyish and weak, dramaesque, and an unnecessary burden to impose on the moderators. Just control yourself. Nobody can make you do anything or feel anything but you. I just look at those too heavily invested in politics to just be living in a soap opera fantasy world melodrama whom can't get beyond the names and ideologies to think rationally and practically.Quote: terapinedHello all,
I have decide to serve a self imposed permanent suspension due to insults by Beethoven9th.
Just getting tired of being called names.
It was nice meeting the Wizard and Mission146 and other members.
Had a lot of fun at the mcnugget challenge videotaping.
Goodbye everyone.
Peace
Ed
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/math/16518-the-birthday-problem/#post311688
Quote: onenickelmiraclebut think a personal request for suspension is just too babyish and weak, dramaesque, and an unnecessary burden to impose on the moderators. Just control yourself.
Exactly! +1 and a lol
Doesn't this belong on the " I AM A MARTYR " website!
I see a direct correlation.
Quote: Mission146Terapined, Request, Indefinite.
This isn't like the casino exclusion list. He can return anytime he chooses with no repercussions. There's no need for him to cause his name to be in red like he's done something wrong. That said, I haven't read a lot of terapined's posts but I find it troubling that someone feels that they have to resign for any reason real or imagined. This was a 13 month member with over 800 posts.
Quote: 1BBThis isn't like the casino exclusion list. He can return anytime he chooses with no repercussions. There's no need for him to cause his name to be in red like he's done something wrong. That said, I haven't read a lot of terapined's posts but I find it troubling that someone feels that they have to resign for any reason real or imagined. This was a 13 month member with over 800 posts.
The thread in question is the 2016 Election thread, so you could certainly go there and read the last few pages for yourself to determine whether or not you think the resignation, or the fact that I have taken no action against Beethoven9th, is warranted. I don't think that any perceived insults rise up to the level of a personal insult not tolerated by the board or that Beethoven's responses rise to the level of trolling...though the last part is debatable.
I intended to discuss this with him via PM in order for him to make his case, but then he started self-deleting posts (as you see in the Election 2016 thread) not only does that screw up the continuity of his and Beethoven's conversation, but it is also against the Rules, so I had to Suspend him rather than wait for a return PM.
He has my E-Mail address, though, he can still read PM's, just not respond to them.
To answer the greater question of why someone would self-ban, there have been people who have had gambling issues here, in the past, who wanted to divest themselves of all things having to do with gambling, including the Forum, and could not trust themselves not to log in. That is not the case with Terapined, and regarding anyone else for whom that is not the case, I cannot speculate as to why they would self-suspend.
Quote: 1BBThis isn't like the casino exclusion list. He can return anytime he chooses with no repercussions.
Agreed, there is no downside to a voluntarily ban and just creates a hassle for the admins. Here are two possible solutions:
1. The ban may not be indefinite. The user must specify a minimum length upon requesting the ban. The minimum length should be at least a month. The member may not return early, even upon request.
and/or
2. Advance notice must be given to return. For example, two weeks.
What do you think?
Quote: Mission146I intended to discuss this with him via PM in order for him to make his case, but then he started self-deleting posts (as you see in the Election 2016 thread) not only does that screw up the continuity of his and Beethoven's conversation, but it is also against the Rules, so I had to Suspend him rather than wait for a return PM.
Is this an unwritten rule? I don't see it in the rules list.
I just want to make sure that I don't accidentally run afoul of the rules. I've deleted posts in the past (usually when I've made some stupid math mistake in some analysis and I don't want to confuse people...)
Quote: Wizard
2. Advance notice must be given to return. For example, two weeks.
What do you think?
I would say that any rule should not apply to Terapined retroactively.
Aside from that, I would choose advance notice be given to return, because of those few people with gambling-related reasons not to want to be here.
I suggest that we should keep Suspensions indefinite, upon request, or allow a specific length. If someone asks for an Indefinite, they must give two-week notice in order to return, if they choose a specific length, they may not return early.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceIs this an unwritten rule? I don't see it in the rules list.
I just want to make sure that I don't accidentally run afoul of the rules. I've deleted posts in the past (usually when I've made some stupid math mistake in some analysis and I don't want to confuse people...)
It would fall under 7.) No Hijacking, deleting all of your posts within a thread ruins thread continuity and is, therefore, hijacking the thread. If you delete a duplicate post or a post pursuant to a math/factual mistake...especially soon after the post was made...that wouldn't run afoul of the Rule.
Quote: WizardAgreed, there is no downside to a voluntarily ban and just creates a hassle for the admins. Here are two possible solutions:
1. The ban may not be indefinite. The user must specify a minimum length upon requesting the ban. The minimum length should be at least a month. The member may not return early, even upon request.
and/or
2. Advance notice must be given to return. For example, two weeks.
What do you think?
My first thought is to disallow it but that wouldn't stop someone from deliberately violating the rules to accomplish the goal.
Quote: WizardSpeaking of self-bans, Egalite just resigned by Email.
Same way I terminate my romantic relationships
Quote: BeardgoatJust block him man. The election thread, gunshow loophole rants, etc are stupid. A bunch of people arguing like high school chicks, telling each other why their wrong ... all along both sides posting inaccuracies & insults. I learned a long time ago not to get involved. I don't come to a gambling/math/Vegas forum to talk politics anyway.
Yeah I block almost all political threads immediately. Not what I come here for.
Quote: onenickelmiraclebut think a personal request for suspension is just too babyish and weak, dramaesque, and an unnecessary burden to impose on the moderators. Just control yourself.
I feel the same way; I'm surprised the mods even entertain these "self-bannings." With Ahigh it became a pretty silly back-and-forth "please ban me, no wait please un-ban me."
If you don't want to post, just stop posting. And if you can't control yourself, just type some garbage into the password field so you can't log back in.
LOLQuote: sodawaterI don't understand "resigning' from the forum like you were some kind of head of state
Please.Quote: terapinedI have decide to serve a self imposed permanent suspension due to insults by Beethoven9th.
There were no insults at all. Speaking of which, do you remember what your sig was before you deleted it a few hours ago???????
Quote: WizardSpeaking of self-bans, Egalite just resigned by Email.
And there was much rejoicing...
