Discussion about the Suspension List
Quote: darkozTruthfully, this thread's title has a word no other thread has which may be why its so long.
Not suspension or list but discussion. By its very title, this thread was designed for a long and lengthy discussion. If after twenty posts no one bothered to say anything more, the word discussion probably would have to be eliminated from the thread title.
It's even "discussed" at other boards.
Quote: mipletWasn't too hard. A simple PHP script. Should I modify it for words instead of just posts? Might be a little harder as I would have to filter out quotes. 2016 election thread might be an interesting one.
Good morning, miplet. If you can do it for words, I'd like to see it for our top posters. Rather than this site's list, I'd like it to be from the list that is in the thread entitled Feature Request: "Full Top Contribution List". That list has some banned and inactive posters still in the top 20 so that would be most interesting.
I have no problem with long posts. We have a few members who write a lot of words and some are very good. The trip reports are usually great and can be long. I read every one of them. Those with short attention spans can always take a break, catch a rerun of Hee Haw and continue at a later time.
Do it only if it's something that you would enjoy. Thanks for your contributions.
Quote: darkozTruthfully, this thread's title has a word no other thread has which may be why its so long.
Not suspension or list but discussion. By its very title, this thread was designed for a long and lengthy discussion. If after twenty posts no one bothered to say anything more, the word discussion probably would have to be eliminated from the thread title.
I've been tempted to rename the title of this thread to "Much Ado About Nothing."
Quote: AhighCan I have my old account suspended and have a new anonymous account created for me?
No. One account per person.
Quote: AhighThat's not a fair comparison. I think moths listen sometimes.
That the difference between a certain poster and a moth. Not directed as anyone, just saying.
Quote: AhighCan I have my old account suspended and have a new anonymous account created for me?
I frequent another board that just had a bunch of people change names based on some of the things that happen in Vegas but, honestly, one would have a hard time not knowing who they were originally.
If you could change your name, how would you remain anonymous?
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and if I got it wrong and it is only about your "account" and not your "screen name", sorry...and disregard my comment above...!!!
Quote: WizardNo. One account per person.
You can remove all of the posts from Ahigh if that is the requirement.
I don't want two accounts. I just want one.
I have just contemplated that since I became president of NanoTech Gaming, I can no longer post on this forum without risking harm to my employees and/or the company. After I was suspended, for example, the stock dropped 50% the next day. I don't know that it's correlated, but I do know that investors in NTGL are pointed to this forum as a means to do what is referred to as "bashing" in the penny stock world.
If I cannot post anonymously, I generally cannot participate on this forum in good faith the way that I was able to before starting NanoTech Gaming.
It really seems unfair, frankly. Not that I expect fairness, I just feel like my options are pretty limited from this vantage point in how I can participate here.
Quote: 1BBAre bans and suspensions necessary? Of course they are but only for the worst offenses. Do suspensions quietly and don't celebrate them on a list for everyone to gawk at. This is the number one thread on the forum. Does anyone besides me find that a little odd? I find it sad.
All that talking at you and I forgot to talk to you.
Re: The List. I look at WoV as a little community. I dunno how you urbanites are, but us small town folk know everyone and we talk. If someone gets tossed in the tank, someone is busted for possession, someone has a domestic, someone loses their job, it gets talked about. It's just like here. When something goes down, we talk. It doesn't matter how or why. If it's a tiny slur or a despotic rant. If it's someone much respected or someone universally hated. If it's a new member or a day one'r. When something happens, people will talk.
This thread has been a boon for the forum in that regard. It has engendered perfect containment. Without it, many, many threads would be choked not with their own content, but with conversation about someone inside it. No one likes a thread they're interested in to go on a huge off topic derail, and conversing about a member's suspension in one would surely send it off the tracks for a long time.
This thread prevents that. So while the thread itself may be distasteful in some people's eyes, it has centralized and kept that distaste in one spot, easy to avoid, and easy to vent in without ruining a possibly valuable thread. I see it time and again. I never even know what thread had trouble unless I check here, because there is so little dust up in the thread that caused it. Everyone knows, when the hammer falls, go to the DAtSL.
I'd even have to say that what some look at as whining by 1BB is even a net positive. Those who taunt him about his whining is a net positive. Because all that talk is about a suspension, and all parties force it to be funneled into here. Where it belongs. Leaving all the other threads whole and railed.
I get why the thread is disliked. But I think everyone would dislike the alternative a whole lot more.
Quote: AhighYou can remove all of the posts from Ahigh if that is the requirement.
I don't want two accounts. I just want one.
I have just contemplated that since I became president of NanoTech Gaming, I can no longer post on this forum without risking harm to my employees and/or the company. After I was suspended, for example, the stock dropped 50% the next day. I don't know that it's correlated, but I do know that investors in NTGL are pointed to this forum as a means to do what is referred to as "bashing" in the penny stock world.
If I cannot post anonymously, I generally cannot participate on this forum in good faith the way that I was able to before starting NanoTech Gaming.
It really seems unfair, frankly. Not that I expect fairness, I just feel like my options are pretty limited from this vantage point in how I can participate here.
Yep...with great power...
$0.02, you can bill me..
Quote: Ahigh
I have just contemplated that since I became president of NanoTech Gaming, I can no longer post on this forum without risking harm to my employees and/or the company. After I was suspended, for example, the stock dropped 50% the next day. I don't know that it's correlated, but I do know that investors in NTGL are pointed to this forum as a means to do what is referred to as "bashing" in the penny stock world.
Seems like a tremendous money making opportunity. Short sell the stock, and then suspend Ahigh.
Seriously, your request seems reasonable and I hope the mods allow it. I'd rather see you stick around, even if it's an anonymous account.
Quote: FaceAll that talking at you and I forgot to talk to you.
Re: The List. I look at WoV as a little community. I dunno how you urbanites are, but us small town folk know everyone and we talk. If someone gets tossed in the tank, someone is busted for possession, someone has a domestic, someone loses their job, it gets talked about. It's just like here. When something goes down, we talk. It doesn't matter how or why. If it's a tiny slur or a despotic rant. If it's someone much respected or someone universally hated. If it's a new member or a day one'r. When something happens, people will talk.
This thread has been a boon for the forum in that regard. It has engendered perfect containment. Without it, many, many threads would be choked not with their own content, but with conversation about someone inside it. No one likes a thread they're interested in to go on a huge off topic derail, and conversing about a member's suspension in one would surely send it off the tracks for a long time.
This thread prevents that. So while the thread itself may be distasteful in some people's eyes, it has centralized and kept that distaste in one spot, easy to avoid, and easy to vent in without ruining a possibly valuable thread. I see it time and again. I never even know what thread had trouble unless I check here, because there is so little dust up in the thread that caused it. Everyone knows, when the hammer falls, go to the DAtSL.
I'd even have to say that what some look at as whining by 1BB is even a net positive. Those who taunt him about his whining is a net positive. Because all that talk is about a suspension, and all parties force it to be funneled into here. Where it belongs. Leaving all the other threads whole and railed.
I get why the thread is disliked. But I think everyone would dislike the alternative a whole lot more.
Very well articulated. Thanks
Unfortunately, if it does happen, I suspect he'll make a new account, then a little while down the road someone will figure out who the new Ahigh is. But I'm sure if Ahigh is smart enough, he can figure a way around that (ie: masking his writing style or what he writes about). And if someone does figure out who he is....then tough luck, no re-do's or do-overs. But I still think he should be given the opportunity to post anonymously, especially since he's a poster in good standing.
I am not sure that posting anonymously will work, however, since so much of this work is searchable on the web and writing comparisons would be fairly easy. Indeed, I am not even sure if erasing everything would work but perhaps it is prudent to ask for it, given the lack of TOS, etc. that has been discussed.
An officer in company that has to answer to the SEC is in a bad position if their posts here do anything to impact the stock price. it probably doesn't even have to "really" impact anything, just some uptight SEC staffer making the connection and Ahigh heads up the river for a stretch...okay, overly dramatic, but it could be bad news.
Ahigh, I'd enjoy tossing some dice with you, I have questions about your product and the potential for it as described, and I would rather you stayed in spite of some of the conflicts along the way...I just don't think it is prudent if it in any way impacts your company.
Quote: RonCI think this request should be handled off-line.
Agreed. Anybody who believes he has special circumstances that merit bending the rules may PM me.
Quote: RonC
An officer in company that has to answer to the SEC is in a bad position if their posts here do anything to impact the stock price. it probably doesn't even have to "really" impact anything, just some uptight SEC staffer making the connection and Ahigh heads up the river for a stretch...okay, overly dramatic, but it could be bad news.
NTGL and its parent NTEK don't report to the SEC.
The reader can make their own determination if that is good or bad.
Quote: WizardAgreed. Anybody who believes he has special circumstances that merit bending the rules may PM me.
I am too shy to PM the Wizard, but I do hope others will take him up on the offer. I got a gut feeling this may be important.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLI am too shy to PM the Wizard, but I do hope others will take him up on the offer. I got a gut feeling this may be important.
Just imagine him naked. :-)
I'D say the Wiz is pretty well known. Should he have another account so he can say whatever he wants annonymously or should he just continue to be a gentleman and not worry about it?
Switch is pretty high on the food chain in his career and company. Can he be treated special and post things under a new account so it's not linked to him?
Can anybody do this if it's allowed?
ZCore13
Quote: FaceAll that talking at you and I forgot to talk to you.
Re: The List. I look at WoV as a little community. I dunno how you urbanites are, but us small town folk know everyone and we talk. If someone gets tossed in the tank, someone is busted for possession, someone has a domestic, someone loses their job, it gets talked about. It's just like here. When something goes down, we talk. It doesn't matter how or why. If it's a tiny slur or a despotic rant. If it's someone much respected or someone universally hated. If it's a new member or a day one'r. When something happens, people will talk.
This thread has been a boon for the forum in that regard. It has engendered perfect containment. Without it, many, many threads would be choked not with their own content, but with conversation about someone inside it. No one likes a thread they're interested in to go on a huge off topic derail, and conversing about a member's suspension in one would surely send it off the tracks for a long time.
This thread prevents that. So while the thread itself may be distasteful in some people's eyes, it has centralized and kept that distaste in one spot, easy to avoid, and easy to vent in without ruining a possibly valuable thread. I see it time and again. I never even know what thread had trouble unless I check here, because there is so little dust up in the thread that caused it. Everyone knows, when the hammer falls, go to the DAtSL.
I'd even have to say that what some look at as whining by 1BB is even a net positive. Those who taunt him about his whining is a net positive. Because all that talk is about a suspension, and all parties force it to be funneled into here. Where it belongs. Leaving all the other threads whole and railed.
I get why the thread is disliked. But I think everyone would dislike the alternative a whole lot more.
Face, you are the voice of reason and are wise beyond your years. If there is ever a major world catastrophe I want you on my side. I don't say that to a lot of people and I don't say it lightly.
Quote: WizardAgreed. Anybody who believes he has special circumstances that merit bending the rules may PM me.
A couple years ago I asked you if
could do this very thing, I was
tired of getting hassled over my
post count. You said no way, if
you did it for me you'd have to
do it for others and it would get
very confusing.
If Ahigh wants to say things as
somebody other than Ahigh,
go somewhere else and knock
yourself out. Here you're stuck
with Ahigh.
I will say that every time I post, I consider its implications to my professional life. I've deleted tons of posts over the years before hitting that final "post" button. That said, I've also made some posts I regret. For example, I regret losing my patience in some of the math threads here. Exchanges with some of the APs here have been tough at times. What's true is that every time you either attack or defend, from either direction, it makes you look smaller.Quote: Zcore13Elliot is the President of his company. Should he get special treatment or should he just continue to post with respect?
I am in no way suggesting that anyone break any forum rules. If this is against the rules, written or in someones head, don't do it.
Quote: teliotI will say that every time I post, I consider its implications to my professional life.
Thank you. This forum has always been about owning your own posts. For those whose real identities are known, I think extra caution should be given before clicking the "post" button.
Once I was a nice guy and let Buzz off the hook when he created a second account after forgetting his password to the first one. That has been thrown in my face too many times to count so I'm in no hurry to do it again.
Quote: 1BBJust imagine him naked. :-)
I'm not sure if you meant AHigh or the Wizard?
I decline on both counts, and that is not an insult to either just to be clear!
Damn, I'm off the forum for long enough to go meet my son at the bus stop and the jhit hits the fan.
Thanks a lot 1BB.
<edit>, OK it's not really an edit officially because I haven't posted it yet. I'm just a fan of being able to edit.
I was going to say something about ' imagine someone naked ', but I have now changed my mind ;-)
I may edit more, later.
Quote: Zcore13Elliot is the President of his company. Should he get special tratment or should he just continue to post with respect?
I'D say the Wiz is pretty well known. Should he have another account so he can say whatever he wants annonymously or should he just continue to be a gentleman and not worry about it?
Switch is pretty high on the food chain in his career and company. Can he be treated special and post things under a new account so it's not linked to him?
Can anybody do this if it's allowed?
ZCore13
Valid point, and predictable response from ZCore.
PM was the request I saw, and speaking of legalities, the request came from the sheriff.
People mentioning how much they are cleaning out of the casinos -- it's a bad time to be caught exaggerating when the lawyers come for assets.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLValid point, and predictable response from ZCore.
PM was the request I saw, and speaking of legalities, the request came from the sheriff.
He asked for PM's if you support the request.
As with all my opinions, they are based on the content of the post, not the poster. If it was you or anyone else asking for special treatment, I would have the same reply. Although he has stated that he really dislikes me, I don't dislike him. I dislike his ideas (in the past) that casinos cheated against craps players on purpose, that he could influence the dice and currently his beliefs about his games.
I have given him advice and attempted to help him. When pinball first came out I told him $100 minimum bet would not work. He argued. But since then it has been reduced. I've told him the term AP or a game allowing players to have an edge over the house would be a bad thing. I've also suggested he hire a gaming person to his Staff to help him better understand that side of things.
Nothing against him. I just believe he has really bad ideas when it comes to my specialty... Casino gaming.
ZCore13
Quote: Ahigh
I have just contemplated that since I became president of NanoTech Gaming, I can no longer post on this forum without risking harm to my employees and/or the company. After I was suspended, for example, the stock dropped 50% the next day. I don't know that it's correlated, but I do know that investors in NTGL are pointed to this forum as a means to do what is referred to as "bashing" in the penny stock world..
Nothing personal against Ahigh here, but any company that loses 50% of their value in a day should be a wake up call to anyone considering investing in it. And I question using the word investing as it is more like Gambling with swings like that.
But my advise would be to him, why even bother to post here? I'm sure you need time away from the business like all of us and consider this part of that time, but it there is even a mall chance it will hurt your job or company, why risk it?
Quote: Zcore13He asked for PM's if you support the request.
As with all my opinions, they are based on the content of the post, not the poster. If it was you or anyone else asking for special treatment, I would have the same reply. Although he has stated that he really dislikes me, I don't dislike him. I dislike his ideas (in the past) that casinos cheated against craps players on purpose, that he could influence the dice and currently his beliefs about his games.
I have given him advice and attempted to help him. When pinball first came out I told him $100 minimum bet would not work. He argued. But since then it has been reduced. I've told him the term AP or a game allowing players to have an edge over the house would be a bad thing. I've also suggested he hire a gaming person to his Staff to help him better understand that side of things.
Nothing against him. I just believe he has really bad ideas when it comes to my specialty... Casino gaming.
ZCore13
I am honored that you even took the time to respond to my post. Most of them are gibberish, which has been stated by several other, several longstanding members with exponentially more enlightenment to add to the Forums than I will ever reach. I include you in that 'better' ( not bettor ) group. I do think AHigh made a reasonable request, given the circumstances. I don't think the decision, either way, will significantly change the long term outcome.
But it gives us something to talk about that's a lot more interesting than discussing whether life was better 'back in the fifties'. ;-)
<edit> I just have to edit, I am the editor. <edit> I am from the fifties. Some of what we had was lost along the way, and that is sad. We gained so much more, today is the best day you could have ever lived in. Count yourself lucky, but don't go buy a lottery ticket ;-)
Quote: TwoFeathersATLI'm not sure if you meant AHigh or the Wizard?
I decline on both counts, and that is not an insult to either just to be clear!
Damn, I'm off the forum for long enough to go meet my son at the bus stop and the jhit hits the fan.
Thanks a lot 1BB.
<edit>, OK it's not really an edit officially because I haven't posted it yet. I'm just a fan of being able to edit.
I was going to say something about ' imagine someone naked ', but I have now changed my mind ;-)
I may edit more, later.
You said you were shy. When someone is nervous about public speaking they are often told to picture their audience naked. You must have heard that before. I'm always here to help. I got your 3 day suspension shortened to 5 days didn't I? :-) No charge for the smiley.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLI am honored that you even took the time to respond to my post. Most of them are gibberish, which has been stated by several other, several longstanding members with exponentially more enlightenment to add to the Forums than I will ever reach. I include you in that 'better' ( not bettor ) group. I do think AHigh made a reasonable request, given the circumstances. I don't think the decision, either way, will significantly change the long term outcome.
But it gives us something to talk about that's a lot more interesting than discussing whether life was better 'back in the fifties'. ;-)
I disagree that it's a reasonable request for several reasons. Ahigh identified himself voluntarily both in a personal and business correlation, which associates him with his posts here. The Wizard's guidance is that posts remain up regardless of content with very few exceptions. Many other people have made the request, most publicly in some form and for good reason from their POV, and been denied publicly, for consistency and other valid reasons. And I do think people should stand by what they say, and only post what they can stand behind; it keeps the forum operating on a higher plane.
That said, I leave it up to the Wizard to decide on a case-by-case basis, and would not support an argument that if one person is allowed to change that it automatically means all such requests must be approved by precedent. JMHO; I don't write the rules.
The law allows us to change our names in the Real World: why shouldn't we be permitted to change our names on this or any other message board / venue?
Just adopt a new rule, non-retroactive, allowing people to change their handle, with the understanding that any of their old posts remain as previously posted, under their original name.
Where is the harm in that, where is the unfairness?
It was suggested that a ToS be developed that said the content belonged to the site owner once posted (or something like that...it is time for my siesta and I don't feel like looking up the exact words that I was beaten with).
Based on that particular incident, it seems like a poster could ask that any content (including quoted content) that he wrote belongs to him and he wants it back.
That would not be special treatment if it was in keeping with the law; it probably wouldn't make anyone want to let the poster back in, either!!
Quote: beachbumbabsI disagree that it's a reasonable request for several reasons. Ahigh identified himself voluntarily both in a personal and business correlation, which associates him with his posts here. The Wizard's guidance is that posts remain up regardless of content with very few exceptions. Many other people have made the request, most publicly in some form and for good reason from their POV, and been denied publicly, for consistency and other valid reasons. And I do think people should stand by what they say, and only post what they can stand behind; it keeps the forum operating on a higher plane.
That said, I leave it up to the Wizard to decide on a case-by-case basis, and would not support an argument that if one person is allowed to change that it automatically means all such requests must be approved by precedent. JMHO; I don't write the rules.
So I thought it was a reasonable request, and you thought it wasn't.
OK.
What's POV precious, what's that?
Consistency is a good thing. Doesn't always make it the right thing.
The rules have changed on occasion, hopefully always for the better ( or bettor ).
As an aside, I do not believe that AHigh can come back here 'anonymously' and post w/o revealing himself as AHigh. Just my belief. Of course anyone can always just read the posts here, you just have to be a member in good standing to toss your 'opinion' into the rink and have it supported, shot down, or ignored.
We are playing in a park that has rules. OK. Sometimes the rules change, OK. Play ball or take your ball and go home, OK.
Play nice! Maybe you can come play with us tomorrow....
Quote: TwoFeathersATLPM was the request I saw
Yeah, me too. Of course I think he said PM if you SUPPORT, and I doubt he supports the idea that I bring value to the forum.
Quote: RonCI was roundly chastised for thinking that what you post is what you post; someone quoted some copyright law or something that seemed to prove that what you post belongs to you unless the Terms of Service say otherwise. This was in the discussion about the new editing rule.
It was suggested that a ToS be developed that said the content belonged to the site owner once posted (or something like that...it is time for my siesta and I don't feel like looking up the exact words that I was beaten with).
Based on that particular incident, it seems like a poster could ask that any content (including quoted content) that he wrote belongs to him and he wants it back.
That would not be special treatment if it was in keeping with the law; it probably wouldn't make anyone want to let the poster back in, either!!
Many of these issues would not have been raised at all if not for Zcore's pattern of comments directed towards me.
Face is the best writer on the board, and one of the best writers I've read anywhere.Quote: 1BBFace, you are the voice of reason and are wise beyond your years. If there is ever a major world catastrophe I want you on my side. I don't say that to a lot of people and I don't say it lightly.
Yes, you *should* let that go to your head, Face.
Quote: AhighYeah, me too. Of course I think he said PM if you SUPPORT, and I doubt he supports the idea that I bring value to the forum.
I believe you bring some value. I think you have excellent math skills in regards to craps play. Much higher than mine. I think your work on DI helped convince some(maybe even yourself) that it's almost impossible to do in a casino environment.
On the otherhand, I have disagreed with you on other topics, do not like your past treatment of other customers and casino staff and think you need to work on being able to accept criticism and not think disagreements to your ideas are personal.
Nothing about you or that means that you have any less or more value to the site than anyone else. I come here to learn about some things, teach about some things, and debate about others. Most everyone here adds value to me.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13I believe you bring some value. I think you have excellent math skills in regards to craps play. Much higher than mine. I think your work on DI helped convince some(maybe even yourself) that it's almost impossible to do in a casino environment.
On the otherhand, I have disagreed with you on other topics, do not like your past treatment of other customers and casino staff and think you need to work on being able to accept criticism and not think disagreements to your ideas are personal.
Nothing about you or that means that you have any less or more value to the site than anyone else. I come here to learn about some things, teach about some things, and debate about others. Most everyone here adds value to me.
ZCore13
Well thanks for saying something nice at least. That's different.
As far as how I treat people personally, I treat them as I see fit and I do sometimes have regrets about things that happen, as EVERYONE does.
But I don't go around attacking people all the time.
I just don't always choose to walk away and sometimes I confront problems that I think are worth confronting.
You are one of those problems, buddy.
You are. And I'm the judge of that, so no need to respond.
I don't even have anything to say on this thread.
Quote: jjjooogggI got to do something to celebrate when this thread hits 1000 pages.
I don't even have anything to say on this thread.
Never stopped EvenBob!
Quote: AhighNever stopped EvenBob!
You get angry about Zcore13 attacking you but you have no problems attacking EB here.
Quote: teddysFace is the best writer on the board, and one of the best writers I've read anywhere.
Yes, you *should* let that go to your head, Face.
1BB may have just written that cause he knows Face has guns, and ammo.
I don't think 1BB can make it to Face's location and claim 'friend' in 'the' event, but it doesn't hurt to lay the groundwork, doesn't hurt a bit.
Actually 1BB was trying to compliment Face, and I messed it up with conspiracy theories. My bad ;-)
Quote: AhighWell thanks for saying something nice at least. That's different.
As far as how I treat people personally, I treat them as I see fit and I do sometimes have regrets about things that happen, as EVERYONE does.
But I don't go around attacking people all the time.
I just don't always choose to walk away and sometimes I confront problems that I think are worth confronting.
You are one of those problems, buddy.
You are. And I'm the judge of that, so no need to respond.
I've had many conversations with Zcore over
the years, mostly me asking questions about
the industry. He has never been less than
professional on every subject we've discussed.
I wish everybody in the casino suit business
was as professional and as knowledgeable as
ZCore.
I got to do something to celebrate when this thread hits 1000 pages.
I don't even have anything to say on this thread.
Quote: AhighNever stopped EvenBob!
I have about 350 posts in this thread. Over
5 years and 3 months. 70 posts a year is
not a huge number.
