Discussion III about the Suspension List
March 12th, 2023 at 10:46:37 AM
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: MichaelBluejayI like how he puts "math" in quotes. It's telling, for sure. But which is more telling, that, or that he signs his name on every post as though his name isn't clearly attached to his post already? I can't decide.Quote: tuttigym...a true double standard against my posts which exists primarily because I have been highly resistant to the "math" posted in various threads.
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Thank you, MBJ. A true LOL for me!
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Which part?
tuttigym
March 12th, 2023 at 11:37:37 AM
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Tuttigym:
Why don’t you date your posts as well?
Ace2
March 12th, 2023 at 11:37:37 AM
Why don’t you date your posts as well?
Ace2
March 12th, 2023 at 11:37:37 AM
It’s all about making that GTA
March 12th, 2023 at 12:05:00 PM
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If a man does not keep up with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer.
Let him step to the music which he hears, however, measured or far away. H.T.
Let him step to the music which he hears, however, measured or far away. H.T.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
March 12th, 2023 at 12:06:52 PM
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It's not an obsession, and of course you didn't understand. That was rather my point.Quote: tuttigymI do not understand your obsession with my style.
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March 12th, 2023 at 12:10:07 PM
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Quote: Ace2Tuttigym:
Why don’t you date your posts as well?
Ace2
March 12th, 2023 at 11:37:37 AM
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Maybe Tuttigym just has an auto signature turned on and doesn't feel like changing the settings.
One poster on here told me he recognizes my posts because I never put a period, exclamation point or question mark at the end of the last sentence in my posts. He wanted to know if that was some stylistic flourish.
The answer was much simpler. I just double tap the space bar after every sentence and let the auto insert add a period but the last sentence of the post I don't bother to double tap for a new sentence. I just hit the post button
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
March 12th, 2023 at 12:24:19 PM
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Quote: Ace2Tuttigym:
Why don’t you date your posts as well?
Ace2
March 12th, 2023 at 11:37:37 AM
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That nonsense would surely run afoul of the repetitive post rule under the "lengthy tag in every post" doctrine.
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March 12th, 2023 at 12:34:58 PM
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Quote: tuttigymQuote: gordonm888Quote: tuttigym
So, let me get this straight, a "nasty insult" gets a gordon888 double standard pass because the "insulted" party (1) has a very thick skin and (2) has a great sense of humor? Suppose EB would have replied: "What you don't like my filing system?" Would that provide a gordon888 double standard pass? BTW, I do not need and Ace2 apology. I just consider the source.
Some folks here have to check their sense of humor.
tuttigym
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In some cases involving certain kinds of insults, it has been our protocol to take into account
- whether the target of the insult is angry and expresses a sense of injury, versus just laughing it off
- whether the offending party subsequently apologizes or at least moderates their original comment
Regarding the "gordon888 double standard pass," I explained my original decision to not suspend Ace2 but after you complained about the insult, I said that if another moderator chooses to suspend Ace2 for a suspension that I would support that decision. Then Wizard posted that he had felt a sense of insult as well but that he chose not to issue a suspension. Are you angry at Ace2? Or at me? At Wizard? At Dieter? I'm really having trouble understanding your grievance and what you are asking for.
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First, I did NOT "complain" about the "nasty insult." I asked what the statement was in your mind. YOU determined it was a "nasty insult," so why would you need to confer with another mod.? Others, including the Wizard felt some level of insult, so again why the necessity of confirmation?
I feel NO anger towards anyone here. There is a sense of frustration because my "grievance" centers on (1) mod's inconsistencies in doling out suspensions, and a true double standard against my posts which exists primarily because I have been highly resistant to the "math" posted in various threads. I shall be specific.
1. "Wake up and smell the pot roast." That was thought to be an anti-semitic phrase due to someone's ignorance.
2. I had been away from this forum for over ten years and made a passing political remark not knowing that the rules had changed. So instead of a short warning as many others were given, I was suspended by Wizard who absolutely knew of my long absence, BTW during those years I was posting, 2010, insults were rampant and acceptable.
3. There was a post I made as an answer to ThatDonGuy trying to clarification on one of his math posts, and I asked about his ego. Suspension! Others on other threads and posts have referred directly to egos but no suspensions there.
It is your forum with your rules, and I can live with however they are enforced, but I will continue to call out the inconsistencies and lack of accountability as they might occur IMO.
tuttigym
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During the past two years you have been suspended 7 times by 4 different moderators, including 6 times for personal insults. Of course, anyone may look this up on the Suspension List threads, where we also provide links to the offending posts.
tuttigym 9/6/22 GM 3 Personal insult
tuttigym 07/24/22 Wiz 3 personal insult
tuttigym 4/23/22 D 1 Misquoting
tuttigym 3/23/22 Wiz 3 Personal insult
tuttigym 11/21/21 G 7 Insult/Bullying
tuttigym 7/23/21 OD 7 Personal insult
tuttigym 7/3/21 Wiz 3 Personal insult/trolling
I won't editorialize, I'm just presenting this data.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
March 12th, 2023 at 12:53:59 PM
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Quote: MichaelBluejayIt's not an obsession, and of course you didn't understand. That was rather my point.Quote: tuttigymI do not understand your obsession with my style.
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And of course, you didn't explain yourself, and that is my point. Are you mocking/belittling me? Is that your intention? Make me UNDERSTAND.
What do you think gordon888?
tuttigym
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March 12th, 2023 at 1:09:46 PM
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Quote: gordonm888Quote: tuttigymQuote: gordonm888Quote: tuttigym
So, let me get this straight, a "nasty insult" gets a gordon888 double standard pass because the "insulted" party (1) has a very thick skin and (2) has a great sense of humor? Suppose EB would have replied: "What you don't like my filing system?" Would that provide a gordon888 double standard pass? BTW, I do not need and Ace2 apology. I just consider the source.
Some folks here have to check their sense of humor.
tuttigym
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In some cases involving certain kinds of insults, it has been our protocol to take into account
- whether the target of the insult is angry and expresses a sense of injury, versus just laughing it off
- whether the offending party subsequently apologizes or at least moderates their original comment
Regarding the "gordon888 double standard pass," I explained my original decision to not suspend Ace2 but after you complained about the insult, I said that if another moderator chooses to suspend Ace2 for a suspension that I would support that decision. Then Wizard posted that he had felt a sense of insult as well but that he chose not to issue a suspension. Are you angry at Ace2? Or at me? At Wizard? At Dieter? I'm really having trouble understanding your grievance and what you are asking for.
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First, I did NOT "complain" about the "nasty insult." I asked what the statement was in your mind. YOU determined it was a "nasty insult," so why would you need to confer with another mod.? Others, including the Wizard felt some level of insult, so again why the necessity of confirmation?
I feel NO anger towards anyone here. There is a sense of frustration because my "grievance" centers on (1) mod's inconsistencies in doling out suspensions, and a true double standard against my posts which exists primarily because I have been highly resistant to the "math" posted in various threads. I shall be specific.
1. "Wake up and smell the pot roast." That was thought to be an anti-semitic phrase due to someone's ignorance.
2. I had been away from this forum for over ten years and made a passing political remark not knowing that the rules had changed. So instead of a short warning as many others were given, I was suspended by Wizard who absolutely knew of my long absence, BTW during those years I was posting, 2010, insults were rampant and acceptable.
3. There was a post I made as an answer to ThatDonGuy trying to clarification on one of his math posts, and I asked about his ego. Suspension! Others on other threads and posts have referred directly to egos but no suspensions there.
It is your forum with your rules, and I can live with however they are enforced, but I will continue to call out the inconsistencies and lack of accountability as they might occur IMO.
tuttigym
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During the past two years you have been suspended 7 times by 4 different moderators, including 6 times for personal insults. Of course, anyone may look this up on the Suspension List threads, where we also provide links to the offending posts.
tuttigym 9/6/22 GM 3 Personal insult
tuttigym 07/24/22 Wiz 3 personal insult
tuttigym 4/23/22 D 1 Misquoting
tuttigym 3/23/22 Wiz 3 Personal insult
tuttigym 11/21/21 G 7 Insult/Bullying
tuttigym 7/23/21 OD 7 Personal insult
tuttigym 7/3/21 Wiz 3 Personal insult/trolling
I won't editorialize, I'm just presenting this data.
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My point is: You gordon888 determined it was a "nasty insult." Several folks here agreed and posted that they were insulted in various degrees. But because I was good natured you turned away. You felt that I was not insulted. Yet when anyone produces an "insult," the mods, in general, do NOT ask if the object of the insult felt insulted or would just accept an apology. The offending party is just arbitrarily suspended. BTW how does someone "bully" on a post? What threat does ghost poster pose?
tuttigym
March 12th, 2023 at 1:10:10 PM
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Quote: Ace2Tuttigym:
Why don’t you date your posts as well?
Ace2
March 12th, 2023 at 11:37:37 AM
how about the location - that's important too
and you didn't specify Pacific time or Mountain time or Central time or Eastern standard time - how would anybody know?
and how about an Official stamp like on some Government documents
lilredrooster
March 12, 2023
4:09:18 p.m. Eastern Standard Time
Ocean City, Maryland____________________ United States of America
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
March 12th, 2023 at 1:19:18 PM
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Wow, why not ask me to effect peace in the Middle East?Quote: tuttigymAnd of course, you didn't explain yourself, and that is my point. Are you mocking/belittling me? Is that your intention? Make me UNDERSTAND.
Also, I've explained it before, and you didn't get it, so why should I repeat myself?
Finally, why it's awkward/ridiculous to write your name at the end of your posts when your name is already clearly attached your posts...oh never mind.
P.S. You might note that you're the only one on this forum who signs his posts. Which is more likely, that you're on to something special and everyone else is wrong, or everyone else is right and you're wrong?
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March 12th, 2023 at 1:34:03 PM
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Quote: MichaelBluejayWow, why not ask me to effect peace in the Middle East?Quote: tuttigymAnd of course, you didn't explain yourself, and that is my point. Are you mocking/belittling me? Is that your intention? Make me UNDERSTAND.
Also, I've explained it before, and you didn't get it, so why should I repeat myself?
Finally, why it's awkward/ridiculous to write your name at the end of your posts when your name is already clearly attached your posts...oh never mind.
P.S. You might note that you're the only one on this forum who signs his posts. Which is more likely, that you're on to something special and everyone else is wrong, or everyone else is right and you're wrong?
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You can do that? You can affect peace in the Middle East? Well, heck yeah, do it.
So, because YOU think it is "awkward/ridiculous, I should not place my name at the end of my posts? Well, it is good to know that MBJ is THE authority for posting etiquette. Hey, gordon888, am I being bullied?
Hey, MBJ, do you ever sign any of your outgoing e-mails even though the recipient knows from the heading that the e-mail comes from you? Just wondering.
BTW Doghand places his name at the of his posts, so make sure you let him know about it. OK?
P.S. I am "special."
tuttigym
March 12th, 2023 at 1:55:50 PM
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Tuttigyms leashQuote: gordonm888Quote: tuttigymQuote: gordonm888Quote: tuttigym
So, let me get this straight, a "nasty insult" gets a gordon888 double standard pass because the "insulted" party (1) has a very thick skin and (2) has a great sense of humor? Suppose EB would have replied: "What you don't like my filing system?" Would that provide a gordon888 double standard pass? BTW, I do not need and Ace2 apology. I just consider the source.
Some folks here have to check their sense of humor.
tuttigym
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In some cases involving certain kinds of insults, it has been our protocol to take into account
- whether the target of the insult is angry and expresses a sense of injury, versus just laughing it off
- whether the offending party subsequently apologizes or at least moderates their original comment
Regarding the "gordon888 double standard pass," I explained my original decision to not suspend Ace2 but after you complained about the insult, I said that if another moderator chooses to suspend Ace2 for a suspension that I would support that decision. Then Wizard posted that he had felt a sense of insult as well but that he chose not to issue a suspension. Are you angry at Ace2? Or at me? At Wizard? At Dieter? I'm really having trouble understanding your grievance and what you are asking for.
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First, I did NOT "complain" about the "nasty insult." I asked what the statement was in your mind. YOU determined it was a "nasty insult," so why would you need to confer with another mod.? Others, including the Wizard felt some level of insult, so again why the necessity of confirmation?
I feel NO anger towards anyone here. There is a sense of frustration because my "grievance" centers on (1) mod's inconsistencies in doling out suspensions, and a true double standard against my posts which exists primarily because I have been highly resistant to the "math" posted in various threads. I shall be specific.
1. "Wake up and smell the pot roast." That was thought to be an anti-semitic phrase due to someone's ignorance.
2. I had been away from this forum for over ten years and made a passing political remark not knowing that the rules had changed. So instead of a short warning as many others were given, I was suspended by Wizard who absolutely knew of my long absence, BTW during those years I was posting, 2010, insults were rampant and acceptable.
3. There was a post I made as an answer to ThatDonGuy trying to clarification on one of his math posts, and I asked about his ego. Suspension! Others on other threads and posts have referred directly to egos but no suspensions there.
It is your forum with your rules, and I can live with however they are enforced, but I will continue to call out the inconsistencies and lack of accountability as they might occur IMO.
tuttigym
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During the past two years you have been suspended 7 times by 4 different moderators, including 6 times for personal insults. Of course, anyone may look this up on the Suspension List threads, where we also provide links to the offending posts.
tuttigym 9/6/22 GM 3 Personal insult
tuttigym 07/24/22 Wiz 3 personal insult
tuttigym 4/23/22 D 1 Misquoting
tuttigym 3/23/22 Wiz 3 Personal insult
tuttigym 11/21/21 G 7 Insult/Bullying
tuttigym 7/23/21 OD 7 Personal insult
tuttigym 7/3/21 Wiz 3 Personal insult/trolling
I won't editorialize, I'm just presenting this data.
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The average posters leash
EvenBobs leash
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 12th, 2023 at 2:20:38 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfTuttigyms leashQuote: gordonm888Quote: tuttigymQuote: gordonm888Quote: tuttigym
So, let me get this straight, a "nasty insult" gets a gordon888 double standard pass because the "insulted" party (1) has a very thick skin and (2) has a great sense of humor? Suppose EB would have replied: "What you don't like my filing system?" Would that provide a gordon888 double standard pass? BTW, I do not need and Ace2 apology. I just consider the source.
Some folks here have to check their sense of humor.
tuttigym
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In some cases involving certain kinds of insults, it has been our protocol to take into account
- whether the target of the insult is angry and expresses a sense of injury, versus just laughing it off
- whether the offending party subsequently apologizes or at least moderates their original comment
Regarding the "gordon888 double standard pass," I explained my original decision to not suspend Ace2 but after you complained about the insult, I said that if another moderator chooses to suspend Ace2 for a suspension that I would support that decision. Then Wizard posted that he had felt a sense of insult as well but that he chose not to issue a suspension. Are you angry at Ace2? Or at me? At Wizard? At Dieter? I'm really having trouble understanding your grievance and what you are asking for.
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First, I did NOT "complain" about the "nasty insult." I asked what the statement was in your mind. YOU determined it was a "nasty insult," so why would you need to confer with another mod.? Others, including the Wizard felt some level of insult, so again why the necessity of confirmation?
I feel NO anger towards anyone here. There is a sense of frustration because my "grievance" centers on (1) mod's inconsistencies in doling out suspensions, and a true double standard against my posts which exists primarily because I have been highly resistant to the "math" posted in various threads. I shall be specific.
1. "Wake up and smell the pot roast." That was thought to be an anti-semitic phrase due to someone's ignorance.
2. I had been away from this forum for over ten years and made a passing political remark not knowing that the rules had changed. So instead of a short warning as many others were given, I was suspended by Wizard who absolutely knew of my long absence, BTW during those years I was posting, 2010, insults were rampant and acceptable.
3. There was a post I made as an answer to ThatDonGuy trying to clarification on one of his math posts, and I asked about his ego. Suspension! Others on other threads and posts have referred directly to egos but no suspensions there.
It is your forum with your rules, and I can live with however they are enforced, but I will continue to call out the inconsistencies and lack of accountability as they might occur IMO.
tuttigym
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During the past two years you have been suspended 7 times by 4 different moderators, including 6 times for personal insults. Of course, anyone may look this up on the Suspension List threads, where we also provide links to the offending posts.
tuttigym 9/6/22 GM 3 Personal insult
tuttigym 07/24/22 Wiz 3 personal insult
tuttigym 4/23/22 D 1 Misquoting
tuttigym 3/23/22 Wiz 3 Personal insult
tuttigym 11/21/21 G 7 Insult/Bullying
tuttigym 7/23/21 OD 7 Personal insult
tuttigym 7/3/21 Wiz 3 Personal insult/trolling
I won't editorialize, I'm just presenting this data.
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The average posters leash
EvenBobs leash
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Thanks, Axel. I LOVE IT!! LOL
tuttigym
March 12th, 2023 at 4:01:47 PM
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Quote: AxelWolf
Tuttigyms leash
The average posters leash
EvenBobs leash
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Weren't you complaining when we got the invisible fence put in?
May the cards fall in your favor.
March 12th, 2023 at 4:29:02 PM
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I"M ABSOULTLY NOT COMPLAINEING!!! I find it all very humorous. I thought my post was not only truthful but kinda funny. Tuttigyms getting pronged it comes WOV justice, there's no doubt about that.Quote: DieterQuote: AxelWolf
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The average posters leash
EvenBobs leash
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Weren't you complaining when we got the invisible fence put in?
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We all know Tuttigyms is a problem child and he gets targeted. I find him interesting and entertaining, to say the least.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 12th, 2023 at 8:52:01 PM
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Not sure why Axel is posting pictures of the restraints he uses in his sexplay, orgies and 'dungeon' but . . . .
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
March 12th, 2023 at 11:51:17 PM
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I must have confused this with the GoodWill conversation since those are the sex toys I got from there.Quote: gordonm888Not sure why Axel is posting pictures of the restraints he uses in his sexplay, orgies and 'dungeon' but . . . .
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 13th, 2023 at 6:53:21 AM
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It's effect, not affect. I spelled it for you and you still got it wrong.Quote: tuttigymYou can affect peace in the Middle East?
No, not just me. This is what I said about it being futile to try to explain. I explained in the very post you were replying to, and you still didn't get it.link to original postQuote: tuttigymSo, because YOU think it is "awkward/ridiculous...
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March 13th, 2023 at 5:21:25 PM
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Quote: gordonm888Not sure why Axel is posting pictures of the restraints he uses in his sexplay, orgies and 'dungeon' but . . . .
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People have been suspended for posts like this.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
March 13th, 2023 at 6:14:59 PM
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Quote: gordonm888Not sure why Axel is posting pictures of the restraints he uses in his sexplay, orgies and 'dungeon' but . . . .
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I am pretty sure when he invited me over they were more like this:
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
July 3rd, 2023 at 1:25:04 PM
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I just saw AxelWolf was missing from the top posters list so I took a quick look at the suspension list and was shocked to see FiliusBruce was suspended in May. After seeing the cause of his suspension I felt like venting.
The quick suspensions on this site are a huge turn off. They discourage me from participating even though I doubt I would ever post anything suspension worthy. The culture of aggressive rule enforcement very nearly caused me not to participate at all after I first joined in spite of lots of work to create content for the forum (some of that time spent getting defeated by unknown rules of the site, lol.)
I committed the rebuke-worthy sin of "find(ing) an excuse to post elsewhere a few times" to get my post count up. In other words, having discussions on a discussion forum. The first such frivolous post described a project I was working on and asked half a dozen questions. I got thoughtful answers from DRich and rsactuary among others.
My reward was a public reply from a moderator who chided me because finding an excuse to post in other threads was "not within the spirit of the rules." I was fuming. I think I'm exactly the kind or participant this forum would want, appreciating the math behind gambling and looking to use math and programming skills to find an advantage. I view FiliusBruce the same way, though he clearly puts much more thought and effort into the pursuit than I. He hasn't posted since the suspension. I hope it is just a coincidence.
Trigger happy enforcement creates a culture hostile to the participants we should most want to be here.
The quick suspensions on this site are a huge turn off. They discourage me from participating even though I doubt I would ever post anything suspension worthy. The culture of aggressive rule enforcement very nearly caused me not to participate at all after I first joined in spite of lots of work to create content for the forum (some of that time spent getting defeated by unknown rules of the site, lol.)
I committed the rebuke-worthy sin of "find(ing) an excuse to post elsewhere a few times" to get my post count up. In other words, having discussions on a discussion forum. The first such frivolous post described a project I was working on and asked half a dozen questions. I got thoughtful answers from DRich and rsactuary among others.
My reward was a public reply from a moderator who chided me because finding an excuse to post in other threads was "not within the spirit of the rules." I was fuming. I think I'm exactly the kind or participant this forum would want, appreciating the math behind gambling and looking to use math and programming skills to find an advantage. I view FiliusBruce the same way, though he clearly puts much more thought and effort into the pursuit than I. He hasn't posted since the suspension. I hope it is just a coincidence.
Trigger happy enforcement creates a culture hostile to the participants we should most want to be here.
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July 3rd, 2023 at 1:50:16 PM
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RTE, I too feel your frustration, BUT without firm rules and their enforcement this forum would soon devolve to a flame fest.
You probably have visited other gambling fourms, e.g. VCT, and the loose moderation there allows homophobic slurs and unending ad hominem attacks.
I suggest keeping your hand in both worlds, and just try to get along and post comments without getting bounced.
Nobody likes getting muzzled, but then who'd like getting rabies?
You probably have visited other gambling fourms, e.g. VCT, and the loose moderation there allows homophobic slurs and unending ad hominem attacks.
I suggest keeping your hand in both worlds, and just try to get along and post comments without getting bounced.
Nobody likes getting muzzled, but then who'd like getting rabies?
"What, me worry?"
July 3rd, 2023 at 1:50:30 PM
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The quick suspensions on this site are a huge turn off.
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Yeah, that's been a problem here for years. Especially when you see what certain members who are almost never suspended are able to get away with.
I've never seen anything like it on any other internet forum I've been a part of.
July 3rd, 2023 at 1:53:06 PM
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RideTheEdge, what you’re not seeing is that other forums are also heavy-handed, they just moderate in private. It’s the public airing of laundry here that gives this forum a bad vibe. I got banned from another Vegas forum for referring posters to my articles which *exactly* answered the posters’ questions. They considered that spamming. Their readers can now flounder by getting mostly inaccurate answers from other forum users. And nobody knew of my banning, because it was private. Here, mods have never given me a hard time for trying to help other members.
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July 3rd, 2023 at 2:39:18 PM
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Michael and MrV, thanks for your thoughts. And TigerWu thanks for your support.
I think I am the target audience for this site. And it's a small target. All I can do is share my thoughts and hope it is helpful to the decision makers who I would hope don't want to antagonize some of us who treat wagering as a rational money making pursuit.
If I didn't have extra time because of the pandemic and a strong desire to participate in the Casino Chip of the Day thread, the initial moderator response to my posts would have driven me away. FiliusBruce doesn't post often anyway, but he is also in that target audience. IMO, he should be encouraged to participate. Suspensions are so common that many don't care and treat it as minor. Maybe the moderators are so used to enforcing rules and interacting with a community that has self selected to be tolerant or thrive in such a culture that they can't empathize with new and potential members for whom it's surprising and unappealing. For me anyway (call me thin-skinned) and perhaps others who are just finding this site, the rule-enforcement culture can very easily be a reason to just walk away.
I think I am the target audience for this site. And it's a small target. All I can do is share my thoughts and hope it is helpful to the decision makers who I would hope don't want to antagonize some of us who treat wagering as a rational money making pursuit.
If I didn't have extra time because of the pandemic and a strong desire to participate in the Casino Chip of the Day thread, the initial moderator response to my posts would have driven me away. FiliusBruce doesn't post often anyway, but he is also in that target audience. IMO, he should be encouraged to participate. Suspensions are so common that many don't care and treat it as minor. Maybe the moderators are so used to enforcing rules and interacting with a community that has self selected to be tolerant or thrive in such a culture that they can't empathize with new and potential members for whom it's surprising and unappealing. For me anyway (call me thin-skinned) and perhaps others who are just finding this site, the rule-enforcement culture can very easily be a reason to just walk away.
July 3rd, 2023 at 3:51:09 PM
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1) Who is FiliusBruce and why are you surprised he got suspended?
2) I disagree moderation is heavy handed.
They are just enforcing the rules and apparently they're comfortable with the rules.
It's the rules that fall on the heavy handed side.
I think it drives away valuable members and info.
But I can see can of worms of allowing moderator discretion.
"Why was I banned? Why wasn't so and so banned for something similar? F'ing favoritism..."
2) I disagree moderation is heavy handed.
They are just enforcing the rules and apparently they're comfortable with the rules.
It's the rules that fall on the heavy handed side.
I think it drives away valuable members and info.
But I can see can of worms of allowing moderator discretion.
"Why was I banned? Why wasn't so and so banned for something similar? F'ing favoritism..."
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
July 3rd, 2023 at 4:28:07 PM
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Quote: 100xOdds1) Who is FiliusBruce and why are you surprised he got suspended?
He writes software to analyze video poker, though the offending posts were about the analysis of loss rebates. I'm disappointed because I think he is the type of poster who should be encouraged to participate here.
I don't know him and have no idea why he double posted. His first post was a reply in a thread he started about a specific loss rebate promotion pointing to an article he wrote on this very site about that same promotion. The duplicate was in a new thread bringing attention to that article. Interesting that someone who goes through the trouble creating content on WoV is penalized for promoting that content, albeit in a rule breaking way.
I think loss rebates are pretty interesting and a little complicated to analyze. Maybe there would have been more discussion on this interesting topic without the suspension. teliot has looked at loss rebates analytically while FiliusBruce uses software and an iterative approach. Maybe those analysis methods would have been compared without the suspension. I was not engaged at the time of the suspension and don't know enough about the topic to chime in anyway. It's the type of discussion I'd be interested in reading that I'd hope would flourish on this site. We'll never know, it was cut short.
I don't know if he took offense to the suspension. Since he posts infrequently and has other outlets to publish his content I can easily imagine him thinking this site is not worth the trouble and publishing his articles elsewhere. That would be our loss.
July 3rd, 2023 at 6:53:08 PM
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A few thoughts (personal, not OFFICIAL)...
Almost everyone active here has been suspended at one time or another. I've never felt that a mod who suspended me was acting out of spite or malice.
When the time is served, the mods (usually) seem not to bear a grudge.
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I really hope FiliusBruce got released on time.
Almost everyone active here has been suspended at one time or another. I've never felt that a mod who suspended me was acting out of spite or malice.
When the time is served, the mods (usually) seem not to bear a grudge.
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I really hope FiliusBruce got released on time.
May the cards fall in your favor.
July 3rd, 2023 at 7:26:49 PM
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Our oft-repeated mantra is "Moderation in moderation." BTW, before I was a moderator, I was a member who loudly criticized the moderators for depopulating this forum with too frequent "nukes" (permanent bans.) And we have cut back greatly on our nukes, and on the frequency of short-term suspensions.
From our point of view, a 3-day suspension is the lightest action we take against a member. The member is not actually injured or permanently limited in any way, it's a 3-day-long "time out" to emphasize that they need to read the forum rules and pay attention to them. We truly do not view the 3-day suspension as a big deal. See the lists here Suspension lists
Regarding AxelWolf's suspension: Axel broke the rule on No profanity.
1. he used the expression jack -s**t. That is profanity. It's not an f-bomb, but it's not exactly mild profanity.
2. He used that profanity as part of a statement personally demeaning another forum member (EvenBob]. Which is an aggravating factor.
3. Axel is one of our most senior forum members, a personal friend of the Wizard's and a highly valued member. If he had been a new member, I would have simply warned him as a way of informing him of the No Profanity rule. But AxelWolf knows the rule against profanity very well. I believe he used profanity with a clear intention to step over the line, because (as he has explained previously) he doesn't give a hoot whether or not he is suspended for three days, it apparently is no big deal to him. Which is a completely healthy and valid attitude. We will look forward to the end of his suspension in a couple of days and having him return. It's no big deal.
4. Regarding Filius Bruce's 3 day suspension, I made some (admittedly light-hearted) explanatory comments here: Discussion of filius bruce 3-day suspension. I don't think anyone can go into any self-respecting internet forum and make duplicate threads with duplicate posts without attracting some action by the moderators.
5. Why doesn't EvenBob get suspended more frequently? Because he knows the rules and his posts usually adhere to the rules. His critics get short-term suspensions for personal insults and their use of profanity. It may look like assymetric enforcement, but IMO it really isn't.
From our point of view, a 3-day suspension is the lightest action we take against a member. The member is not actually injured or permanently limited in any way, it's a 3-day-long "time out" to emphasize that they need to read the forum rules and pay attention to them. We truly do not view the 3-day suspension as a big deal. See the lists here Suspension lists
Regarding AxelWolf's suspension: Axel broke the rule on No profanity.
1. he used the expression jack -s**t. That is profanity. It's not an f-bomb, but it's not exactly mild profanity.
2. He used that profanity as part of a statement personally demeaning another forum member (EvenBob]. Which is an aggravating factor.
3. Axel is one of our most senior forum members, a personal friend of the Wizard's and a highly valued member. If he had been a new member, I would have simply warned him as a way of informing him of the No Profanity rule. But AxelWolf knows the rule against profanity very well. I believe he used profanity with a clear intention to step over the line, because (as he has explained previously) he doesn't give a hoot whether or not he is suspended for three days, it apparently is no big deal to him. Which is a completely healthy and valid attitude. We will look forward to the end of his suspension in a couple of days and having him return. It's no big deal.
4. Regarding Filius Bruce's 3 day suspension, I made some (admittedly light-hearted) explanatory comments here: Discussion of filius bruce 3-day suspension. I don't think anyone can go into any self-respecting internet forum and make duplicate threads with duplicate posts without attracting some action by the moderators.
5. Why doesn't EvenBob get suspended more frequently? Because he knows the rules and his posts usually adhere to the rules. His critics get short-term suspensions for personal insults and their use of profanity. It may look like assymetric enforcement, but IMO it really isn't.
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July 3rd, 2023 at 8:38:33 PM
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5. Why doesn't EvenBob get suspended more frequently? Because he knows the rules and his posts usually adhere to the rules.
It used to drive Babs crazy that she couldn't suspend me because although I insulted someone I was clever enough to do it in a way that it looked like I did not. Demeaning someone's character in public in such a way that it can be taken in more ways than one used to be an art. Today it's looked as just showing off and it's resented and vilified. In the old days movie and theater critics could not have survived without it and it made people appreciate them, to insult someone in print but not to the point where the person could actually put his finger on it.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 3rd, 2023 at 11:16:32 PM
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5. Why doesn't EvenBob get suspended more frequently? Because he knows the rules and his posts usually adhere to the rules.
It used to drive Babs crazy that she couldn't suspend me because although I insulted someone I was clever enough to do it in a way that it looked like I did not. Demeaning someone's character in public in such a way that it can be taken in more ways than one used to be an art. Today it's looked as just showing off and it's resented and vilified. In the old days movie and theater critics could not have survived without it and it made people appreciate them, to insult someone in print but not to the point where the person could actually put his finger on it.
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That's why film critics would have their reviews turned around on them.
The reviewer would say something like "This film is fantastic if you enjoy pure garbage " and the films posters would quote the reviewer "This film is fantastic...."
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July 4th, 2023 at 2:31:51 AM
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5. Why doesn't EvenBob get suspended more frequently? Because he knows the rules and his posts usually adhere to the rules.
It used to drive Babs crazy that she couldn't suspend me because although I insulted someone I was clever enough to do it in a way that it looked like I did not. Demeaning someone's character in public in such a way that it can be taken in more ways than one used to be an art. Today it's looked as just showing off and it's resented and vilified. In the old days movie and theater critics could not have survived without it and it made people appreciate them, to insult someone in print but not to the point where the person could actually put his finger on it.
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That's why film critics would have their reviews turned around on them.
The reviewer would say something like "This film is fantastic if you enjoy pure garbage " and the films posters would quote the reviewer "This film is fantastic...."
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I think it was for "Honey I Shrunk the Kids." Siskel & Ebert mostly hated it. They said in effect "Great Special Effects but......"
Then the ads said "Sislel & Ebert say '...great special effects.....'"
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July 4th, 2023 at 2:39:39 AM
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5. Why doesn't EvenBob get suspended more frequently? Because he knows the rules and his posts usually adhere to the rules.
It used to drive Babs crazy that she couldn't suspend me because although I insulted someone I was clever enough to do it in a way that it looked like I did not. Demeaning someone's character in public in such a way that it can be taken in more ways than one used to be an art. Today it's looked as just showing off and it's resented and vilified. In the old days movie and theater critics could not have survived without it and it made people appreciate them, to insult someone in print but not to the point where the person could actually put his finger on it.
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She liked to stretch "personal insult" to suspend people she did not like so much. When it happened other posters usually came to the defense of the suspended poster.
It is an art. I forget the coaches involved, one might have been Sam Wyche, After a huge blowout win and the expected announcers complaining about "running up the score." Asked the losing coach how it made him feel about the winning coach. Guy says "I do not think any less of him than I did before the game.:
Now, that is a manly answer of the kind you do not hear as much these days.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
July 18th, 2023 at 8:01:05 PM
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Sure, I know the rules, I knew I was probably getting suspended it was timed with the 4th of July and I knew I wouldn't be posting. 98% of the time I know what's going to get me suspended. I rarely take issue with being suspended unless it's total hypocritical BS. There are always better things for me to be doing.Quote: gordonm888Our oft-repeated mantra is "Moderation in moderation." BTW, before I was a moderator, I was a member who loudly criticized the moderators for depopulating this forum with too frequent "nukes" (permanent bans.) And we have cut back greatly on our nukes, and on the frequency of short-term suspensions.
From our point of view, a 3-day suspension is the lightest action we take against a member. The member is not actually injured or permanently limited in any way, it's a 3-day-long "time out" to emphasize that they need to read the forum rules and pay attention to them. We truly do not view the 3-day suspension as a big deal. See the lists here Suspension lists
Regarding AxelWolf's suspension: Axel broke the rule on No profanity.
1. he used the expression jack -s**t. That is profanity. It's not an f-bomb, but it's not exactly mild profanity.
2. He used that profanity as part of a statement personally demeaning another forum member (EvenBob]. Which is an aggravating factor.
3. Axel is one of our most senior forum members, a personal friend of the Wizard's and a highly valued member. If he had been a new member, I would have simply warned him as a way of informing him of the No Profanity rule. But AxelWolf knows the rule against profanity very well. I believe he used profanity with a clear intention to step over the line, because (as he has explained previously) he doesn't give a hoot whether or not he is suspended for three days, it apparently is no big deal to him. Which is a completely healthy and valid attitude. We will look forward to the end of his suspension in a couple of days and having him return. It's no big deal.
4. Regarding Filius Bruce's 3 day suspension, I made some (admittedly light-hearted) explanatory comments here: Discussion of filius bruce 3-day suspension. I don't think anyone can go into any self-respecting internet forum and make duplicate threads with duplicate posts without attracting some action by the moderators.
5. Why doesn't EvenBob get suspended more frequently? Because he knows the rules and his posts usually adhere to the rules. His critics get short-term suspensions for personal insults and their use of profanity. It may look like assymetric enforcement, but IMO it really isn't.
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I often take issue when I see others unfairly suspended or when there's an obvious suspension-worthy post and you guys don't take the proper action.
Sometimes you guys totally get it wrong.
I call BS on this. Heck, you wouldn't have to make a special notation about it, if it wasn't true. I bet you moderators thought there was "asymmetric enforcement" prior to becoming Moderators, especially when it came to Bob.Quote: gordonm8885. Why doesn't EvenBob get suspended more frequently? Because he knows the rules and his posts usually adhere to the rules. His critics get short-term suspensions for personal insults and their use of profanity. It may look like assymetric enforcement, but IMO it really isn't.
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If I had to guess, I think Mike has given some special instructions when it comes to suspending Bob. If not directly, you guys have certainly read the situation(Mike's reluctance to suspend Bob) and it's some kind of unwritten rule to give him significant leeway. Don't give us any BS about cleverly worded insults. There's been multiple "we read between the lines" suspensions. Do you guys really want people skirting the rules by using cleverly worded insults?
I know there's been some leeway in the roulette threads, but this wasn't in that thread.
I know me and Bob go at each other, I'm no angel, however, I'll give an example below of something that crossed a line. I logged a formal complaint on the 14th with Dieter who apparently forwarded it to you(?).
You can clearly see this goes way past the line with multiple insults and doesn't "adhere to the rules". A few days later you gave a warning in the Roulette thread. You never addressed the post below(How convenient). If I'm guilty of insulting Bob as well, give me my lumps, but you shouldn't just give warnings to everyone after the fact just to avoid suspending Bob, multiple people, or anyone else.
Quote: EvenBobWow, you must really be hitting the skids in your Casino moves. All the stuff you're talking about doing in stores are ghetto moves, it's what poor people do, buy stuff and then return it knowing they're going to return it when they bought it. It's the lowest of the low and you're bragging about it. Says a ton about who you are.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
July 18th, 2023 at 8:53:13 PM
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IMO pulled a LOT of weight in point #5…..
Old grumpy cat man gets moderated the way Greg Maddux was umpired, everyone knows they get an extra inch or two off the plate because…..it’s “under control?” Who knows how it gets started that’s just the way it is.
Old grumpy cat man gets moderated the way Greg Maddux was umpired, everyone knows they get an extra inch or two off the plate because…..it’s “under control?” Who knows how it gets started that’s just the way it is.
July 19th, 2023 at 6:09:10 AM
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If I had to guess, I think Mike has given some special instructions when it comes to suspending Bob. If not directly, you guys have certainly read the situation(Mike's reluctance to suspend Bob) and it's some kind of unwritten rule to give him significant leeway. Don't give us any BS about cleverly worded insults. There's been multiple "we read between the lines" suspensions. Do you guys really want people skirting the rules by using cleverly worded insults?
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Agreed. Anyone who is even remotely a regular to this forum can plainly see that EB does get significant leeway in his posts. There is definitely an "in crowd" around here that the rules don't apply to as much, because they've been around almost since the beginning and contribute large amounts of material to the forum. It's like being a "made man" in the Mafia. EB is right, though, in that there is an "art" to insulting someone.... but it still doesn't mean you're not being an a-hole.
July 19th, 2023 at 6:13:34 AM
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If I had to guess, I think Mike has given some special instructions when it comes to suspending Bob. If not directly, you guys have certainly read the situation(Mike's reluctance to suspend Bob) and it's some kind of unwritten rule to give him significant leeway. Don't give us any BS about cleverly worded insults. There's been multiple "we read between the lines" suspensions. Do you guys really want people skirting the rules by using cleverly worded insults?
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Agreed. Anyone who is even remotely a regular to this forum can plainly see that EB does get significant leeway in his posts. There is definitely an "in crowd" around here that the rules don't apply to as much, because they've been around almost since the beginning and contribute large amounts of material to the forum. It's like being a "made man" in the Mafia. EB is right, though, in that there is an "art" to insulting someone.... but it still doesn't mean you're not being an a-hole.
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I see what you did there.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
July 19th, 2023 at 6:31:19 AM
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If I had to guess, I think Mike has given some special instructions when it comes to suspending Bob. If not directly, you guys have certainly read the situation(Mike's reluctance to suspend Bob) and it's some kind of unwritten rule to give him significant leeway. Don't give us any BS about cleverly worded insults. There's been multiple "we read between the lines" suspensions. Do you guys really want people skirting the rules by using cleverly worded insults?
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Agreed. Anyone who is even remotely a regular to this forum can plainly see that EB does get significant leeway in his posts. There is definitely an "in crowd" around here that the rules don't apply to as much, because they've been around almost since the beginning and contribute large amounts of material to the forum. It's like being a "made man" in the Mafia. EB is right, though, in that there is an "art" to insulting someone.... but it still doesn't mean you're not being an a-hole.
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Is EB a made man? Has anyone tried putting down a plastic sheet when he comes in the room?
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July 19th, 2023 at 6:52:55 AM
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Quote: TigerWu
Agreed. Anyone who is even remotely a regular to this forum can plainly see that EB does get significant leeway in his posts. There is definitely an "in crowd" around here that the rules don't apply to as much, because they've been around almost since the beginning and contribute large amounts of material to the forum. It's like being a "made man" in the Mafia. EB is right, though, in that there is an "art" to insulting someone.... but it still doesn't mean you're not being an a-hole.
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Coupla three points here........
Is the art "insulting" or is it making the point? Real example here. Way back a poster made a thread about William Shatner, called him a foul name in the title (later moderator changed) all because he refused an autograph. I replied "the (foul name) was the person who interrupted a man at dinner with friends asking for an autograph and offering nothing in return." Or something like that so don't go searching to say I was not exact some of you peeps. Well, she replied that "you insulted me, you called me a (foul name.)"
Now, did I call her that name, or was I making the point that she was in the wrong in a clever way? I have done similar other tines, even getting suspended then defended by people who did see the point. Point being, some of us communicate on a level higher than others and you have to look at the person's history to see what point is being made.
Which is a neat link to the "made man" idea for people who have been here forever. Sorry, but that is life. Here to the corner bar. Established people get leeway because people know what they are really saying or doing. How it is in most social situations.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
July 19th, 2023 at 7:48:22 AM
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Oftentimes management knows when they need to treat certain customers withQuote: rxwineQuote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolf
If I had to guess, I think Mike has given some special instructions when it comes to suspending Bob. If not directly, you guys have certainly read the situation(Mike's reluctance to suspend Bob) and it's some kind of unwritten rule to give him significant leeway. Don't give us any BS about cleverly worded insults. There's been multiple "we read between the lines" suspensions. Do you guys really want people skirting the rules by using cleverly worded insults?
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Agreed. Anyone who is even remotely a regular to this forum can plainly see that EB does get significant leeway in his posts. There is definitely an "in crowd" around here that the rules don't apply to as much, because they've been around almost since the beginning and contribute large amounts of material to the forum. It's like being a "made man" in the Mafia. EB is right, though, in that there is an "art" to insulting someone.... but it still doesn't mean you're not being an a-hole.
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Is EB a made man? Has anyone tried putting down a plastic sheet when he comes in the room?
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Kid gloves.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
July 19th, 2023 at 8:34:22 AM
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Agreed. Anyone who is even remotely a regular to this forum can plainly see that EB does get significant leeway in his posts. There is definitely an "in crowd" around here that the rules don't apply to as much, because they've been around almost since the beginning and contribute large amounts of material to the forum. It's like being a "made man" in the Mafia. EB is right, though, in that there is an "art" to insulting someone.... but it still doesn't mean you're not being an a-hole.
Nope and I do not have some kind of special deal with Mike, believe me he treats me just like everybody else. What happens is I think before I post, I look at what I wrote to see if it's offensive if it is I change it if that's offensive I change it again. It's really not rocket science, there's no favoritism going on here, you don't want me suspended because of anything insulting that I say, you want me suspended because you don't believe what I say. You are working with very little information but consider yourself an expert. You are not.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 19th, 2023 at 9:08:40 AM
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Every court has a jester who can get away with stuff because the powers that be enjoy being amused. I'm guessing folks with mathematical brains get their kicks in strange ways that "normal" people just don't get.
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July 19th, 2023 at 9:31:35 AM
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1. I actually suspected that Axel was preparing to be off-line during the July 4th Holiday and that was why he used profanity to insult EvenBob - his suspension was not going to matter. But I didn't want to state that in the announcement of Axel's suspension because it was only speculation on my part. So, well played, Axel -the premeditated pre-vacation rule violation!
2. EvenBob was suspended in March and in Nov 22. Twice in the past 9 months. I admit we've let a few personal insult violations slip through recently -some by EB and many more against EB. I've been announcing that I'm intending to clean this up with more evenhanded but stricter enforcement.
3. The Wizard has never asked me to go easy on EvenBob and I've never seen him ask any other moderator to do so.
2. EvenBob was suspended in March and in Nov 22. Twice in the past 9 months. I admit we've let a few personal insult violations slip through recently -some by EB and many more against EB. I've been announcing that I'm intending to clean this up with more evenhanded but stricter enforcement.
3. The Wizard has never asked me to go easy on EvenBob and I've never seen him ask any other moderator to do so.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
July 19th, 2023 at 9:52:08 AM
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Tiger Wu's direct comment was "Your posts are lies"
That is attacking the post. Which we are constantly told is what to do. Attack the post not the poster.
As has been argued by forum members attacking posts often correlate to attacking members.
Some actual guidance that makes sense here is requested.
EDIT: I do like the idea of closing that thread one day for every insult in that thread I predict it will be closed every day this year.
That is attacking the post. Which we are constantly told is what to do. Attack the post not the poster.
As has been argued by forum members attacking posts often correlate to attacking members.
Some actual guidance that makes sense here is requested.
EDIT: I do like the idea of closing that thread one day for every insult in that thread I predict it will be closed every day this year.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
July 19th, 2023 at 10:10:27 AM
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We are allowed to say that we disagree with a post, or that we think that a post is wrong or mistaken or nonsense or drivel, etc. Saying that a post is a lie or "Your posts are lies" is stating that a person is intentionally lieing; there is no other possible interpretation.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
July 19th, 2023 at 10:35:15 AM
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"Your post is full of alternative facts that have no basis in reality and would have been better served if you hadn't taken them out of your posterior."
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
July 19th, 2023 at 10:44:02 AM
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Moderation is out of control. Now threads are being shut down because someone wants to play queen for the day. We are all adults and don't need someone holding our hands. How pathetic. If this was a policy one mod instituted on his own, he needs to go.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
July 19th, 2023 at 10:53:54 AM
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Quote: gordonm888We are allowed to say that we disagree with a post, or that we think that a post is wrong or mistaken or nonsense or drivel, etc. Saying that a post is a lie or "Your posts are lies" is stating that a person is intentionally lieing; there is no other possible interpretation.
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What if the "post" is a provable lie against or about another member? What is the remedy??
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July 19th, 2023 at 10:56:34 AM
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What if the "post" is a provable lie against or about another member? What is the remedy??
tuttigym
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So you think what I say about roulette is untrue and you can prove it? Go ahead, prove it.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
