Discussion II about the Suspension List

Quote: Minty

The language on this is clear, however anytime a quote is accompanied by something like "fixed that for you," "this is what you should have said," or something along those lines it's clear that the quoted poster is being quoted falsely to everyone and thus their credibility is unaffected.

Precedent disagrees, as people have been suspended for "FTFY" posts in the past. Edit: Perhaps I'm wrong, can't find it in suspension list. It probably got deleted by the deep state.

Nathan is gone. Finally. Used multiple profanities directed at BBB. I am hoping the Wiz makes it a nuke. I see no way that someone who posted like Nathan did would be welcome back. I hope.

Quote: SOOPOO

Nathan is gone. Finally. Used multiple profanities directed at BBB. I am hoping the Wiz makes it a nuke. I see no way that someone who posted like Nathan did would be welcome back. I hope.

Wow, really?

The end of an era?

Quote: darkoz

Wow, really?

The end of an era?

Or an error.

But somehow I doubt this is the last we will hear from them.

They pulled it off once before and it was joked about all the time.

With cute smiles at the end of every denial.

Quote: Boz

Or an error.

But somehow I doubt this is the last we will hear from them.

They pulled it off once before and it was joked about all the time.

With cute smiles at the end of every denial.

Maybe she was really Jerry Logan? Or MKL?

Quote: Boz

Or an error.

But somehow I doubt this is the last we will hear from them.

They pulled it off once before and it was joked about all the time.

With cute smiles at the end of every denial.

Nathan was not ousted for any sock puppet issues. Not sure what you mean by pulling something off (pulling something unproven off?)

It was for cussing out BBB.

If Nathan had held her temper she would still be running her corner

Quote: darkoz

Nathan was not ousted for any sock puppet issues. Not sure what you mean by pulling something off (pulling something unproven off?)

It was for cussing out BBB.

If Nathan had held her temper she would still be running her corner

My point is she was an obvious sock to many of us, just like someone else in the past. I get it couldn’t be “proven”, but she was banned before and came back, so I expect it again. Like the last guy, it was joked about all the time.

Unless of course you believe there are 2 almost identical people running around the Miami area with the same interests and circumstances in life.

Quote: Boz

My point is she was an obvious sock to many of us, just like someone else in the past. I get it couldn’t be “proven”, but she was banned before and came back, so I expect it again. Like the last guy, it was joked about all the time.

Unless of course you believe there are 2 almost identical people running around the Miami area with the same interests and circumstances in life.

And yet its unproven (the other instance was proven and was an issue of oversight. This time there has been plenty of oversight so your claims as fact is based on nothing but your opinion)

Can there be 2 people in Miami with the same interests and circumstances in life? Wow, what are the odds?

Smh

Quote: darkoz

And yet its unproven (the other instance was proven and was an issue of oversight. This time there has been plenty of oversight so your claims as fact is based on nothing but your opinion)

Can there be 2 people in Miami with the same interests and circumstances in life? Wow, what are the odds?

Smh

It’s also unproven that you were homeless for years, which is almost impossible unless you are a junkie or mentally ill in America. And I don’t think you are either, but people take your word for it. What are the odds?

Face it, you will question anything I say and I feel the same about you. That’s the PC version.

Quote: Boz

It’s also unproven that you were homeless for years, which is almost impossible unless you are a junkie or mentally ill in America. And I don’t think you are either, but people take your word for it. What are the odds?

Face it, you will question anything I say and I feel the same about you. That’s the PC version.

But there is the problem in a nutshell. Your BELIEF that only junkies or mentally ill are homeless in America.

Thats based on what?

There are plenty of reasons to become homeless (After Hurricane Katrina there was a whole city practically homeless living out of tents)

My reasons have been listed before.

Regardless of whether people believe I was homeless that does not give you the right to say as fact things you yourself are unable to prove.

To this day no mod has said Nathan is a sock puppet even though I am quite certain BBB would have loved to nuke for that reason. So until its proven its really wrong of you to keep asserting it as fact.

PS. If you state Prego spaghetti sauce is better over Ragu I will agree with you 100%

Quote: darkoz

But there is the problem in a nutshell. Your BELIEF that only junkies or mentally ill are homeless in America.

Thats based on what?

There are plenty of reasons to become homeless (After Hurricane Katrina there was a whole city practically homeless living out of tents)

My reasons have been listed before.

Regardless of whether people believe I was homeless that does not give you the right to say as fact things you yourself are unable to prove.

To this day no mod has said Nathan is a sock puppet even though I am quite certain BBB would have loved to nuke for that reason. So until its proven its really wrong of you to keep asserting it as fact.

PS. If you state Prego spaghetti sauce is better over Ragu I will agree with you 100%

I have the right to say or believe anything I want. Obviously within the rules of a place I choice to convey them.

I’ll clarify, anyone who is homeless for a multiple year period either has Mental Health issues or has made a CHOICE to remain homeless. Does this cover 100% of the cases? Probably not but it’s true in 99%+ of cases. You have an issue with Drugs or Alcohol, have burnt bridges with family and friends, are unwilling to work the amount of jobs and time needed to find housing, are too stubborn to leave an area you can’t afford or are simply happy being homeless.

While this isn’t the place to discuss homelessness, I truly believe this.

Would be hard to prove, but most of us would be willing to bet Kentry and Nathan were the same person.

By the way, how do you prove you are the leader of...whatever you call yourself? And if you are, isn’t that proof anyone can get away from being homeless and succeed in life? Or are you just “special”? Which would kind of explain your far left fringe views of others.

Quote: Boz

I have the right to say or believe anything I want. Obviously within the rules of a place I choice to convey them.

I’ll clarify, anyone who is homeless for a multiple year period either has Mental Health issues or has made a CHOICE to remain homeless. Does this cover 100% of the cases? Probably not but it’s true in 99%+ of cases. You have an issue with Drugs or Alcohol, have burnt bridges with family and friends, are unwilling to work the amount of jobs and time needed to find housing, are too stubborn to leave an area you can’t afford or are simply happy being homeless.

While this isn’t the place to discuss homelessness, I truly believe this.

Would be hard to prove, but most of us would be willing to bet Kentry and Nathan were the same person.

By the way, how do you prove you are the leader of...whatever you call yourself? And if you are, isn’t that proof anyone can get away from being homeless and succeed in life? Or are you just “special”? Which would kind of explain your far left fringe views of others.

I am first to admit I burnt bridges with friends and family so had nowhere to turn too (most of them ironically are making money working for me now so the worm turns.) Your new statement about reasons for homelessness gave more than just drugs and alcohol which was my point. There are more than one reason to be homeless

You can believe what you want that is correct. But you should state as fact only what you can prove WHEN IT COMES TO OTHER PEOPLE.

Stating Nathan is a sock for Kentry is just an unproven belief on your part.

As for me stating I was homeless that is s statement I make knowing its factual. If people prefer not to believe me thats their prerogative BUT my statement of something I know to be a fact is different from your statement of what you believe without any knowledge of it being a fact.

Me homeless - I personally know it to be true (I lived it)
You saying Nathan is a sock - you personally dont know that. You just believe it based on perceptions

Kinda ironic it happened in a MrCasinoGames thread.

A couple of weeks ago Nathan randomly PMed me whining about him and all of his threads. It seemed to me like she was trying to round people up to complain to the mods about him.

It was extremely odd as I had never interacted with Nathan and went out of my way to avoid her BS.

So I just ignored her and turned off my PMs. lol

Quote: darkoz

I am first to admit I burnt bridges with friends and family so had nowhere to turn too (most of them ironically are making money working for me now so the worm turns.) Your new statement about reasons for homelessness gave more than just drugs and alcohol which was my point. There are more than one reason to be homeless

You can believe what you want that is correct. But you should state as fact only what you can prove WHEN IT COMES TO OTHER PEOPLE.

Stating Nathan is a sock for Kentry is just an unproven belief on your part.

As for me stating I was homeless that is s statement I make knowing its factual. If people prefer not to believe me thats their prerogative BUT my statement of something I know to be a fact is different from your statement of what you believe without any knowledge of it being a fact.

Me homeless - I personally know it to be true (I lived it)
You saying Nathan is a sock - you personally don't know that. You just believe it based on perceptions

NVM Kentry=Nathan. If you go back a while there's very good evidence Nathan was making sock puppets. It kinda goes like this. and this is only one small example. Nathan gets suspended, a new Nathan like boys name suddenly pops up only posting in Nathans threads on the same exact schedule as Nathan about the same exact stuff and writing structure smileys and all. If you cross-referenced from different sites that she has been at I think you get a better picture. There is almost never a way to prove anyone is or isn't a sock. I could let my wife, friend or family member make an account on my computer and let then post from it. Personally, I would let the forum know that's the case, however, I can't see how that would be against any rules.

For that matter, how do we know it was Nathan who wrote that nasty message to BBB? Perhaps one of her family members, coworkers, or housemates was a lurker on WOV, and while Nathan was asleep they logged on her account from her computer, pretending to be her and came to her defense saying what Nathan wouldn't say.

IIRC someone's family member got on their WOV account and deleted 5k posts 1 by one (-;.

There have been quite a few times I have had the opportunity to get on someone else's account and post. I regret not doing so on Djatc's account, cus that would have been so fun and worth getting suspended.

Quote: AxelWolf

NVM Kentry=Nathan. If you go back a while there's very good evidence Nathan was making sock puppets. It kinda goes like this. and this is only one small example. Nathan gets suspended, a new Nathan like boys name suddenly pops up only posting in Nathans threads on the same exact schedule as Nathan about the same exact stuff and writing structure smileys and all. If you cross-referenced from different sites that she has been at I think you get a better picture. There is almost never a way to prove anyone is or isn't a sock. I could let my wife, friend or family member make an account on my computer and let then post from it. Personally, I would let the forum know that's the case, however, I can't see how that would be against any rules.

For that matter, how do we know it was Nathan who wrote that nasty message to BBB? Perhaps one of her family members, coworkers, or housemates was a lurker on WOV, and while Nathan was asleep they logged on her account from her computer, pretending to be her and came to her defense saying what Nathan wouldn't say.

IIRC someone's family member got on their WOV account and deleted 5k posts 1 by one (-;.

There have been quite a few times I have had the opportunity to get on someone else's account and post. I regret not doing so on Djatc's account, cus that would have been so fun and worth getting suspended.

It all amounts to circumstantial evidence and supposition.

I am not saying you are wrong. But the policing functionaries on here (the Mods) have not made that declaration

You could be right about her. You could be wrong

Quote: darkoz

It all amounts to circumstantial evidence and supposition.

I am not saying you are wrong. But the policing functionaries on here (the Mods) have not made that declaration

You could be right about her. You could be wrong

And 18 yo's in a row is possible. 5 single line Royals in one day and still lost is possible. I go with my gut and say it didn't happen. Oh ya, I was right all along about the 5 royal's single line not happening. Not saying 5 single line royals in one day is not possible, I just knew the source of the story was BS.

Quote: AxelWolf

NVM Kentry=Nathan. If you go back a while there's very good evidence Nathan was making sock puppets. It kinda goes like this. and this is only one small example. Nathan gets suspended, a new Nathan like boys name suddenly pops up only posting in Nathans threads on the same exact schedule as Nathan about the same exact stuff and writing structure smileys and all. If you cross-referenced from different sites that she has been at I think you get a better picture. There is almost never a way to prove anyone is or isn't a sock. I could let my wife, friend or family member make an account on my computer and let then post from it. Personally, I would let the forum know that's the case, however, I can't see how that would be against any rules.

For that matter, how do we know it was Nathan who wrote that nasty message to BBB? Perhaps one of her family members, coworkers, or housemates was a lurker on WOV, and while Nathan was asleep they logged on her account from her computer, pretending to be her and came to her defense saying what Nathan wouldn't say.

IIRC someone's family member got on their WOV account and deleted 5k posts 1 by one (-;.

There have been quite a few times I have had the opportunity to get on someone else's account and post. I regret not doing so on Djatc's account, cus that would have been so fun and worth getting suspended.

OK.... For a long time there was a belief that Nathan was not a dark skinned lady of about 34 years old. She presented video evidence, but it was suggested that it was faked. Karen/Nathan has always posted from her Android mobile phone. We know the network she uses and might know the actual phone model. Whenever one of these newbies showed up, we checked for any technical commonalities and apart from general location, we NEVER identified any.

If Kentry = Nathan = any other sock, then she was incredibly thorough in obscuring it. I know Karen had another ID on another forum: Michelle Palmer. She did not hide that well. I doubt she tried.

Kentry never connected from an Android phone and never through the T-Mobile network.

Recently a moderator had a video call with Karen and was quite satisfied that Nathan = the Karen that had previously been portrayed. Take that as established.

As far as I know, no member here has established much about the member Kentry. IP address checks established that he was connecting from Miami, but ALWAYS on a different device AND a different network from the one used by Karen/Nathan. I'm convinced they are not the same person, though they may be in cahoots. Kentry might be a sock of some other member or ex-member.

As to the idea that someone used Karen's phone to post that diatribe. I don't buy that for one micro-second.

Quote: SOOPOO

Nathan is gone. Finally. Used multiple profanities directed at BBB. I am hoping the Wiz makes it a nuke. I see no way that someone who posted like Nathan did would be welcome back. I hope.

She basically self-nuked. You can’t post a profanity laced tirade directed at a mod and expect to return here.

Active female posters in general have not faired well at WOV.

Quote: ams288

Kinda ironic it happened in a MrCasinoGames thread.

A couple of weeks ago Nathan randomly PMed me whining about him and all of his threads. It seemed to me like she was trying to round people up to complain to the mods about him.

It was extremely odd as I had never interacted with Nathan and went out of my way to avoid her BS.

So I just ignored her and turned off my PMs. lol

She Pm’d me as well complaining about mrcasinogames, I have always ignored her pm’s.

Quote: PokerGrinder

She Pm’d me as well complaining about mrcasinogames, I have always ignored her pm’s.

So you weren’t planning a trip to meet her in Miami?

Quote: Boz

anyone who is homeless for a multiple year period either has Mental Health issues or has made a CHOICE to remain homeless.
While this isn’t the place to discuss homelessness, I truly believe this.

I guess that you are right: this not the place to discuss homelessness, but I do want to state that I was not some nutcase all those years and sure did not choose such a hellish existence.
Mini thread derailment now over!!

Quote: OnceDear

Recently a moderator had a video call with Karen and was quite satisfied that Nathan = the Karen that had previously been portrayed. Take that as established.

That was me. I am sure the one who posts as Nathan is the same person known as Karen who is has provided short videos and seen in the "Nathan on a bus" picture. The one I spoke with knew all kinds of trivial things Nathan has posted here, like the number of points predicated in the Super Bowl (125).

Those of you who miss Nathan can find her at other corner at DT, where she is a member in good standing.

Quote: Wizard

That was me. I am sure the one who posts as Nathan is the same person known as Karen who is has provided short videos and seen in the "Nathan on a bus" picture. The one I spoke with knew all kinds of trivial things Nathan has posted here, like the number of points predicated in the Super Bowl (125).

Those of you who miss Nathan can find her at other corner at DT, where she is a member in good standing.

Except for me. Only 10 months, 12 days and 5 hours to go on my year long suspension there*

*Actually no clue, that’s a guess.

That said, I kind of miss Bluejays posts on here. He seems to come and go in spurts. An interesting life he leads, to say the least.

And I don’t think many questioned if Karen was Nathan, only if she was also other previous posters on here.

Quote: Boz

So you weren’t planning a trip to meet her in Miami?

You know I was going to when I was going to visit Kentry but I couldn’t seem to get them in the same room at the same time.

There is a tactic that corporate America uses against a whistleblower or any employee that they wish to fire but for whom they have no righteous reason to fire:

1. they harrass the unwanted employee, insult them in private and in front of other employees and make their employment as miserable as possible

2. and when the employee explodes in anger,

3. the company proceeds to fire the employee because the angry explosion gives them just cause to do so.

I have seen this several times during my career. It is a thoroughly ugly and objectionable practice.

Quote: gordonm888

There is a tactic that corporate America uses against a whistleblower or any employee that they wish to fire but for whom they have no righteous reason to fire:

1. they harrass the unwanted employee, insult them in private and in front of other employees and make their employment as miserable as possible

2. and when the employee explodes in anger,

3. the company proceeds to fire the employee because the angry explosion gives them just cause to do so.

I have seen this several times during my career. It is a thoroughly ugly and objectionable practice.

Yea, this is EXACTLY the same thing, lol.

Maybe “Nathan” can sue as a victim of this thoroughly ugly and objectionable practice.

Quote: gordonm888

There is a tactic that corporate America uses against a whistleblower or any employee that they wish to fire but for whom they have no righteous reason to fire:

1. they harrass the unwanted employee, insult them in private and in front of other employees and make their employment as miserable as possible

2. and when the employee explodes in anger,

3. the company proceeds to fire the employee because the angry explosion gives them just cause to do so.

I have seen this several times during my career. It is a thoroughly ugly and objectionable practice.

I was actually instructed personally by a corporate manager to do this to an underling. They told me if the person is fired there will be unemployment insurance issues and payments due while if they can make the person quit they can avoid that

Yeah pretty nasty imo. I am sure the usual suspects think its good business

I'm sure someone already covered this, but I'm too lazy to read back. What is the duration of Nathan's suspension?

Quote: prozema

I'm sure someone already covered this, but I'm too lazy to read back. What is the duration of Nathan's suspension?

Nuclear

Quote: PokerGrinder

Nuclear

Rest In Peace. Looking forward to the next character with interests in the lotto from the Miami area.😀

Quote: prozema

I'm sure someone already covered this, but I'm too lazy to read back. What is the duration of Nathan's suspension?

The Nathan era at WOV is over.

Quote: MaxPen

Rest In Peace. Looking forward to the next character with interests in the lotto from the Miami area.😀

Don’t start! Our favorite Bus Riding AP Team Leader will tell you that’s just coincidence.

Quote: MaxPen

Rest In Peace. Looking forward to the next character with interests in the lotto from the Miami area.😀

Either that or maybe we just get JuicyJennie back

Quote: michael99000

The Nathan era at WOV is over.

Lost but not forgotten.

Quote: michael99000

Either that or maybe we just get JuicyJennie back

for those who don't know who JJ is:


edit:
I prefer to bring back Micky C

I saw what she wrote and agree it was harsh, but I would have thought that would have been a suspension and not a full ban.

Quote: Wizard

Those of you who miss Nathan can find her at other corner at DT, where she is a member in good standing.

As someone who has benefited from suspensions on one site not translating to the other site, I see this as a strange promotion of your site.

And with ZERO knowledge of the financial undertakings of the 2 sites, I am looking at this from a respect perspective.

Why would you advertise that “Nathan” can be found anywhere when she disrespected Babs here like she did?

Barb has been a faithful unpaid, as far as we can tell, admin on here for years. And would do anything for anyone she meets.

And now she is called a “C” by a member here who is justifiably nuked. Yet you post where said member can be found?

Not sure how you justify that in your mind. Then again, obviously I am not you.

I would love your explanation.

Quote: Boz

I would love your explanation.

Your effort to stir up trouble notwithstanding, I see your point. I had forgotten about the C word. For that, Nathan will serve a rare DT suspension for two weeks.

Quote: Wizard

Your effort to stir up trouble notwithstanding, I see your point. I had forgotten about the C word. For that, Nathan will serve a rare DT suspension for two weeks.

Nathan called her a Conservative?

Quote: Puckerbutt

Nathan called her a Conservative?

This made me laugh so hard.

Quote: Puckerbutt

Nathan called her a Conservative?

That would have put Nathan on
double banishment.

I've said this before elsewhere but I see it as worth saying again

yes - calling someone foul names deserves suspension

but the other postings of Nathan drew a lot of unwarranted blowback

again - 𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭'𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐛𝐢𝐠 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐥 if a person is posting nonsense?

I don't believe anybody is going to actually claim that there isn't a lot of other nonsense here that doesn't involve Nathan

she could have been just ignored by those that didn't like her comments

so much of the meanness directed towards her was unnecessary

from what I've seen the Wizard has been kind to her and he deserves credit for that - too bad some others didn't follow his lead

It looks like a dozen or so people (I'm not mentioning any names) can finally sleep at night knowing that the biggest problem plaguing society, Nathan being allowed to post on WoV, has finally been rectified.

After all of the accusations of Duplicate ID's (none of them founded in that little thing I like to call, 'Evidence') as well as Trolling (very rare to Nuke someone just for Trolling without it being in conjunction with something else) Nathan gets it for Personal Insult and Keep it PG.

I do want to take a second to point out, at least during my time as Administrator, not only was there no evidence of Duplicate ID's, there was actually evidence directly to the contrary in at least one of the cases, I believe Krava.

As far as any Trolling is concerned, apparently not to Wizard's satisfaction (or my satisfaction when I was an Admin). Also, if we accept that the site did not view Nathan as a Troll, then certainly any number of the things said to Nathan could constitute Trolling, definitely the continued accusations of Duplicate ID's.

For anyone curious as to my opinion, the real problem with Nathan was the way that people reacted to Nathan. If you think you're dealing with a Troll or are being Trolled, then just generally don't respond. If you think a person is engaging in attention-seeking behavior in a way you don't like, then maybe try not giving them attention.

Even if I had been inclined to Nuke Nathan at some point during my time as Admin, it would have looked like a ban on demand, 'Hired gun,' sort of popular opinion banning type of situation. I don't know how you can have ten (or so) people who aren't Green piling on her constantly (at that time, no question about the Personal Insult) and then she is supposed to be the one who gets Nuked? That is especially true if the notion is that I was to Nuke for mere Trolling, which I don't recall ever Nuking anyone for Trolling and Trolling alone.

Anyway, despite any other accusations, I think the one thing that we can close the book with is that (other than initially strongly implying she was a guy) Nathan is everything that Nathan said she was. I could see where that might be irksome to anyone who may have spent several months and posts arguing that she was not.

Nathan is a CVS worker from the Miami area who likes to play the lottery and post on gambling forums. Some would say Troll on gambling forums. But, after these multiple years, nobody has to worry about a random CVS worker from Miami anymore...congratulations.

SIDE NOTE: I will say I am surprised so many others got a PM from Nathan about MrCasinoGames, I figured it sort of made sense to send me one since I used to be an Administrator, but it looks like any number of others also got one. I just fired off a quick response about not being an Administrator here at this time and otherwise ignored it.

I also got one but never read it.

Quote: Mission146

It looks like a dozen or so people (I'm not mentioning any names) can finally sleep at night knowing that the biggest problem plaguing society, Nathan being allowed to post on WoV, has finally been rectified.

After all of the accusations of Duplicate ID's (none of them founded in that little thing I like to call, 'Evidence') as well as Trolling (very rare to Nuke someone just for Trolling without it being in conjunction with something else) Nathan gets it for Personal Insult and Keep it PG.

I do want to take a second to point out, at least during my time as Administrator, not only was there no evidence of Duplicate ID's, there was actually evidence directly to the contrary in at least one of the cases, I believe Krava.

As far as any Trolling is concerned, apparently not to Wizard's satisfaction (or my satisfaction when I was an Admin). Also, if we accept that the site did not view Nathan as a Troll, then certainly any number of the things said to Nathan could constitute Trolling, definitely the continued accusations of Duplicate ID's.

For anyone curious as to my opinion, the real problem with Nathan was the way that people reacted to Nathan. If you think you're dealing with a Troll or are being Trolled, then just generally don't respond. If you think a person is engaging in attention-seeking behavior in a way you don't like, then maybe try not giving them attention.

Even if I had been inclined to Nuke Nathan at some point during my time as Admin, it would have looked like a ban on demand, 'Hired gun,' sort of popular opinion banning type of situation. I don't know how you can have ten (or so) people who aren't Green piling on her constantly (at that time, no question about the Personal Insult) and then she is supposed to be the one who gets Nuked? That is especially true if the notion is that I was to Nuke for mere Trolling, which I don't recall ever Nuking anyone for Trolling and Trolling alone.

Anyway, despite any other accusations, I think the one thing that we can close the book with is that (other than initially strongly implying she was a guy) Nathan is everything that Nathan said she was. I could see where that might be irksome to anyone who may have spent several months and posts arguing that she was not.

Nathan is a CVS worker from the Miami area who likes to play the lottery and post on gambling forums. Some would say Troll on gambling forums. But, after these multiple years, nobody has to worry about a random CVS worker from Miami anymore...congratulations.

SIDE NOTE: I will say I am surprised so many others got a PM from Nathan about MrCasinoGames, I figured it sort of made sense to send me one since I used to be an Administrator, but it looks like any number of others also got one. I just fired off a quick response about not being an Administrator here at this time and otherwise ignored it.

I got the mrcasinogames pm as well as one asking for advice about her frustration with BBB

Everyone wants to see something nefarious as its rare tk get pms like this from members. Idk since I am not in her head. I like to give the benefit of the doubt to people in general (which has led to bad things in my life bjt also good - I am sure there are s few members who want to bring up my robbery now so there did for ya)

My point is perhaps she was trying to "befriend" in her own way other members by appealing to subjects she felt there was some unity in. If people kept hounding me and EVERYONE seemed in agreement on a subject I might try some proactive discussion as well.

She always just seemed to want to be "one of the boys" even from her original use of a male nom de plume

No PM to me.


I need to post more often I guess

Quote: Johnzimbo

No PM to me.


I need to post more often I guess

Not sure this is the reason to post more. Lol.
Yet here I am...

Quote: prozema

Not sure this is the reason to post more. Lol.
Yet here I am...

People feeling some kinds way left outta this one

Lmao

I must say that Nathan and I have never PM'ed each other - either way - on any topic, ever. Nathan also never responded in her posts to anything that I posted on any subject and never even acknowledged my existence in any of her posts -not even in the Cooperation game.

Indeed I was suspended for 3 days (my only suspension ever) while defending her and she never once reached out in either a post or a PM. It doesn't bother me at all but as a student of human behavior, I do find it odd. I do wonder whether her friendships in this forum were only with long-time members - which would tend to support some of the theories that she was a returned former member. I don't know.

Anyway, for the record, my frequent defense of Nathan in this forum was based solely on my sense of Right and Wrong, and was not influenced by any sense of friendship with her.

And, similarly, my criticism of BBB's behavior as a moderator has not been based on personal antipathy - in fact, I think I have much in common with BBB and I respect her for her many good qualities. I am not enough of a psychiatrist to understand Babs' pathological behavior towards Nathan. Sometimes, people are just a bottomless mystery. And, after all, this is just a sh*tty little forum in the backwaters of the online world.

I had very little to do with Nathan.
I do know this, she was a trouble
maker and an instigator. I got maybe
4-5 PM's from her over the time
she was here. She would say, did
you see this, or can we let them
get away with that, or some such.

She was obviously trolling and
trying to cause problems. I can
only figure her PM's were
generic and she sent them to
lots of people. The last time
she did it, I told her she was
a stupid moron, I couldn't
stand her, and quit PM'ing me.

I sent a couple of them to mod's
as proof of trolling, but apparently
she was untouchable for some
reason. Goodbye to a useless
member as far as I'm concerned.