Discussion II about the Suspension List
.Quote: MrVHe was charged with public masturbation: he beat it.
I have a feeling if Paul Reubens,an average Construction Worker did this, no one would blink an eye. But Paul Reubens, the Celebrity Actor who plays Pee Wee Herman? Red alert; Aaaaahhhhh!(Pee Wee Playhouse show reference, ;) Paul Reubens was NOT Pee Wee, he just played him. I wish the media could have separated Pee Wee from Paul Reubens. I can't believe the media made such a big fuss over something so trivial.
Quote: MrVHe was charged with public masturbation: he beat it.
I heard he flogged it, but those
weren't the charges..
IBYA, I wish you well.
I thought the sites weren't connected?Quote: WizardSomebody reminded me that ibetyouraces resigned from both WoV and DT in the post linked to. I immediately granted it at DT but forgot to here. I'll let him finish his three days for the personal insult to be followed consecutively by the resignation.
IBYA, I wish you well.
Quote: petroglyphI thought the sites weren't connected?
He asked to leave both.
Yeah, but where did he do that? I thought we weren't supposed to bring things from other sites here?Quote: gamerfreakHe asked to leave both.
If he was drinking with Mickey on some VP site and got to bragging about whatever and said, i cood shikc somebodies arse at wov, would that count here as well?
Quote: WizardSomebody reminded me that ibetyouraces resigned from both WoV and DT in the post linked to. I immediately granted it at DT but forgot to here. I'll let him finish his three days for the personal insult to be followed consecutively by the resignation.
IBYA, I wish you well.
Was he suspended for saying people, including the Mods, should stop harassing Nathan?
If that was why, that's a horrible suspension. I was an umpire for many years. My last year was for Spring Training games for the A, AA and AAA San Francisco Giants. One of the things you learn as an umpire is never officiate aggressively. You are impartial, under control and unfazed by minuscule comments. You were there to help the game be played, not to get involved with the bickering of teams unless it becomes grievous.
That's how you did it here back in the day. It's how Mission did it. Now it's done with an iron fist and sharp tongue. Not a good combination.
ZCore13
I think he made the mistake of believing he was among friends.Quote: Zcore13Was he suspended for saying people, including the Mods, should stop harassing Nathan?
Or as George Carlin said, "its a small club and you ain't in it". And after nearly 12,000 posts, go figure.
Did you do that at the San Francisco Grande in Casa Grande?Quote:I was an umpire for many years. My last year was for Spring Training games for the A, AA and AAA San Francisco Giants.
Quote: petroglyph
Did you do that at the San Francisco Grande in Casa Grande?
Not many games are held at golf resorts, which is what it is now. No team has trained their since the 80's. The ones I did were in Scottsdale in 2006. :)
ZCore13
Quote: WizardSomebody reminded me that ibetyouraces resigned from both WoV and DT in the post linked to. I immediately granted it at DT but forgot to here. I'll let him finish his three days for the personal insult to be followed consecutively by the resignation.
IBYA, I wish you well.
Please add my name to the list of voluntary resignations. I no longer find any value in participating here and am uncomfortable with the petty way that you administer this forum. Why are you so eager to suspend, ban and bully your members, rather than find a way to be more inclusive. Your petty and bullying nature completely overshadows your mathematical brilliance, gaming expertise and all the good that you do on this forum to better inform the public.
Quote: MrBoPlease add my name to the list of voluntary resignations.
Request granted. Thank you for the kind words.
Quote: MrBoWhy are you so eager to suspend, ban and bully your members,
Absolutely disagree. If anything,
Mike is way too lenient here. He
bends over backwards to be fair.
I have been dealing with him here
and in PM's for 8 years and I've
never seen anybody as fair as he
tries to be. It drives me nuts at times.
He'll always give somebody the
benefit of the doubt.
Quote: EvenBobAbsolutely disagree. If anything,
Mike is way too lenient here. He
bends over backwards to be fair.
I have been dealing with him here
and in PM's for 8 years and I've
never seen anybody as fair as he
tries to be. It drives me nuts at times.
He'll always give somebody the
benefit of the doubt.
My guess is he was meaning Moderation in general, not specifically The Wiz.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13My guess is he was meaning Moderation in general, not specifically The Wiz.
“Your petty and bullying nature completely overshadows your mathematical brilliance, gaming expertise and all the good”
I def think that quip was for the wiz
As far as I am concerned, anyone who self bans are good riddence.
Quote: gamerfreak“Your petty and bullying nature completely overshadows your mathematical brilliance, gaming expertise and all the good”
I def think that quip was for the wiz
As far as I am concerned, anyone who self bans are good riddence.
It's possible, but there is also no distinguishing between Mods on the suspension list, so it could be all perceived by a newer member (which he was) to be Wiz.
I agree on the self banning. Is it not legal to just stop visiting the site without bringing attention to yourself? Maybe it's just the principle of making sure someone knows you are unhappy rather than just disappearing.
ZCore13
Quote: mcallister3200Sitcom.
EB is Nathan’s dad, trying to teach her lessons about life.
Staring Tom Selleck.
I completely ignore all the Nathan nonsense, I’m assuming it has to do with that?
Quote: ams288So what pissed IBYA off and made him resign?
I completely ignore all the Nathan nonsense, I’m assuming it has to do with that?
He was going to reach a breaking point no matter what at some point. Pretty sure he has a history of coming and going.
Quote: onenickelmiracleHe was going to reach a breaking point no matter what at some point. Pretty sure he has a history of coming and going.
In a big way. He went and deleted over 5000
posts when the place was sold, and then quit.
Had to take him weeks to do it, lol.
Cool!
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Quote: EvenBobAbsolutely disagree. If anything,
Mike is way too lenient here. He
bends over backwards to be fair.
I have been dealing with him here
and in PM's for 8 years and I've
never seen anybody as fair as he
tries to be. It drives me nuts at times.
He'll always give somebody the
benefit of the doubt.
Thank you very much for the kind words.
Quote: petroglyphYeah, but where did he do that? I thought we weren't supposed to bring things from other sites here?
On DT, which is a known route to contact management when you're otherwise unable.
Quote: Zcore13
Was he suspended for saying people, including the Mods, should stop harassing Nathan?
It was not conduct, it was a request. It seems he was banned from here, went to DT, and requested a self ban from there and here. He was subsequently banned from there per request and was already banned from here for conduct. As such, I think he was unbanned here from the conduct punishment by an unknowing mod who was unaware of the request.
In short, Wiz only did what was requested.
Quote: Zcore13My guess is he was meaning Moderation in general, not specifically The Wiz.
ZCore13
If a person has to do some time and several people bring up that it seemed unjust, that would indicate a problem. I have seen that with Mods, not with Wiz.
IMHO we have had some issues with Mods who have personal beefs with posters who should recuse themselves on dealing with that poster. But we are not the SCOTUS, and it is not my house, so such is life. And a few days in solitary is not the end of it.
Quote: EvenBobAbsolutely disagree. If anything,
Mike is way too lenient here. He
bends over backwards to be fair.
I have been dealing with him here
and in PM's for 8 years and I've
never seen anybody as fair as he
tries to be. It drives me nuts at times.
He'll always give somebody the
benefit of the doubt.
+1. Wiz is very nice. So are all of the Mods. :)
Quote: DRichAm I the only one that doesn't understand the idea of self-suspension? Why not just quit coming to the site and quit posting?
Because people would be like,"Why isn't Slot Lover posting anymore? A self suspension would close doors. For example, Slot Lover can post,"I don't like the fact that Natty Nat is constantly harassing me. I request that the Admins ban me." That way, posters know exactly why Slot Lover is no longer posting.
Quote: NathanBecause people would be like,"Why isn't Slot Lover posting anymore? A self suspension would close doors. For example, Slot Lover can post,"I don't like the fact that Natty Nat is constantly harassing me. I request that the Admins ban me." That way, posters know exactly why Slot Lover is no longer posting.
But that would only be the case with people that we respect. None of us care when a troll does it. People announcing it is more about them thinking more of themselves than other do or would. There have been many people who have disappeared. There is a thread somewhere to mention missing people.
Quote: DRichAm I the only one that doesn't understand the idea of self-suspension? Why not just quit coming to the site and quit posting?
It might be like self-exclusion lists, where you need the discipline.
Otherwise no, you are not the only one.
Maybe google: "attention whore?"
Quote: EvenBobIn a big way. He went and deleted over 5000
posts when the place was sold, and then quit.
Had to take him weeks to do it, lol.
I had thought he deleted them after a few days max on a routine basis, or was that someone else. Might have been StrictlyAP that did that, cannot remember.
When he went to DT, he was screaming out...in pain and dis belief that he had been suspended here after making an off color post about another members wife, which normally is a no no no.Quote: FaceOn DT, which is a known route to contact management when you're otherwise unable.
It was not conduct, it was a request. It seems he was banned from here, went to DT, and requested a self ban from there and here. He was subsequently banned from there per request and was already banned from here for conduct. As such, I think he was unbanned here from the conduct punishment by an unknowing mod who was unaware of the request.
In short, Wiz only did what was requested.
But after making 12k posts here, he thought he was part of a group [much like those that are ganging up on Nathan], being on the inside, telling inside jokes, such as so and so drives a Miata, another inside joke which indicates friends giving each other crap. Which guy guy's are known to do.
I went back and read the post, that IBYA was suspended for, [the off color ones] and although I ****ed up, I chastised him for the remark, as did others. He came back, and in his way apologized, at the time. The forum [imo] meant a lot to him, and he was crushed that he had been ostracized from the group, over reacted because after this long being a member, it becomes personal, seeing as he actually meant no insult to the member or his wife. After me going back, I can see it may have just been how guys give each other sh**. I'm sure you are familiar.
He may have had a buzz when he screamed out [all caps] in dis belief IDK, but obviously when he started posting here at wov again, he either didn't remember asking to be banned forever, or didn't really mean it. Just as Wizard forgot the request to be banished forever, maybe IBYA forgot his own request? Now he's toast.
Many suicides reach out as well, sometimes they are just in pain and don't really mean it, and sometimes they do, that's why there are hot lines.
I know, M's house M's rules, but someone that had been here that long, might have rated at least a "are you sure ?". YMMV
Quote: petroglyphHe may have had a buzz when he screamed out [all caps] in dis belief IDK, but obviously when he started posting here at wov again, he either didn't remember asking to be banned forever, or didn't really mean it. Just as Wizard forgot the request to be banished forever, maybe IBYA forgot his own request? Now he's toast.
I think I agree. Either way, he implicitly rescinded the request when he resumed posting. The timing of the ban implementation was basically a slow roll. He should have been banned either immediately (within reason) or not at all.
Quote: DRichAm I the only one that doesn't understand the idea of self-suspension? Why not just quit coming to the site and quit posting?
As others have mentioned, I think the two main reasons are:
1. You need help quitting. Forums can be addictive.
2. You want to go out in a blaze of glory, so say what it truly on your mind on the way out the door.
Quote: petroglyphI know, M's house M's rules, but someone that had been here that long, might have rated at least a "are you sure ?". YMMV
That's just not how we roll. If someone resigns we assume that person put careful thought into the decision and doesn't want it second guessed.
Quote: WizardAs others have mentioned, I think the two main reasons are:
1. You need help quitting. Forums can be addictive.
2. You want to go out in a blaze of glory, so say what it truly on your mind on the way out the door.
That's just not how we roll. If someone resigns we assume that person put careful thought into the decision and doesn't want it second guessed.
You’ve said in the past that self suspensions are only 30 days. Is that no longer the case?
Quote: GWAEThere have been many people who have disappeared. There is a thread somewhere to mention missing people.
Should be called The Milk Carton thread.
Quote: WizardAs others have mentioned, I think the two main reasons are:
1. You need help quitting. Forums can be addictive.
2. You want to go out in a blaze of glory, so say what it truly on your mind on the way out the door.
That's just not how we roll. If someone resigns we assume that person put careful thought into the decision and doesn't want it second guessed.
To be fair, I remember someone self deleting in rage and the very next day, she came back explaining she was really mad when she self deleted but calmed down the next day.
Duly noted, and with respect.Quote: WizardThat's just not how we roll. If someone resigns we assume that person put careful thought into the decision and doesn't want it second guessed.
I ask that you also consider, his request for banishment was on a different forum, which you know better than anyone is symbiotic, but also not.
Repeatedly, members of both forums get suspended at DT nowadays, then come here to wov and post until such suspensions are timed out at DT, and then return. Which is cool, seeing as how they are totally separate forums.
It's still your place, and I respect that. I don't know IBYA from a sandwich. I re read the original, due to a late night error of my own, and have posted my newer understanding of his intent. I admit I could be way off base in my understanding.
I am not BB.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI had thought he deleted them after a few days max on a routine basis,.
No. IBYA flipped out when Mike sold
the place. He was totally paranoid that
his past posts would be used against
him somehow, so he deleted them all
one by one and said he'd never be back.
Did he piss off some Mod here recently and so they used that as a way to finish him off?
Quote: AxelWolfCan someone tell me how long ago it was when IBYA requested a self-ban?
It was May 13th at DT. He resumed posting here June 1st.
Quote: HugoSlaviaIt was May 13th at DT. He resumed posting here June 1st.
I swear I remember him saying it here too, but I can't find the post.
Quote: petroglyphRepeatedly, members of both forums get suspended at DT nowadays, then come here to wov and post until such suspensions are timed out at DT, and then return. Which is cool, seeing as how they are totally separate forums.
Thanks for making a suggestion respectfully, which is usually not the case.
One feature, for better or worse, to the current system is banned members can't send PM's to admins to complain about their suspension. We did it that way on purpose to not hear a lot of whining. However, people have found ways around it, usually to sign up to DT and complain there. The point being that requests to resign are accepted via any medium, including DT. They have to be by some other medium if the member is on suspension.
I might add that resignations do not have to be permanent. The minimum is 30 days. In the case where it is vague what kind of resignation it is, like in the case of MrBo, we call it an "indefinite suspension." He is welcome to request to return at anytime after 30 days.
Quote: 100xOddsso why did Ibeatyouraces do a resignation (again)?
He threw some shade at BBB and got 3 days, then had a conniption and resigned.
I don't know why people get so very upset over a dumb suspention, fair or not. Someone could suspend me and I would be willing to have a meal with them directly after and laugh about it. It's obvious all my suspensions were totally unfair.
Quote: gamerfreakHe threw some shade at BBB and got 3 days, then had a conniption and resigned.
That's actually inaccurate. He was banned by Wizard, went to DT and declared he was resigning from both forums. He was banned from there, got released here from the suspension by me (I didn't know he had resigned via DT), returned here, got banned again by me for 3 days.
Someone reminded Wizard IBYA had resigned via DT, Wizard then tacked the resignation onto the 3 days he was serving. It was his second resignation, so instead of 30 day return option, he was accepted as a hard resignation.
Quote: beachbumbabsThat's actually inaccurate. He was banned by Wizard, went to DT and declared he was resigning from both forums. He was banned from there, got released here from the suspension by me (I didn't know he had resigned via DT), returned here, got banned again by me for 3 days.
Someone reminded Wizard IBYA had resigned via DT, Wizard then tacked the resignation onto the 3 days he was serving. It was his second resignation, so instead of 30 day return option, he was accepted as a hard resignation.
I must be remembering things incorrectly.
This was a couple weeks ago, but from what I remember he was banned from due to this post: https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/30926-nathans-corner-d/48/#post654634
I remember you (or another mod) replying to him and saying that he was crossing the line into trolling and got 3 days.
I can’t find the post officially rebuking IBYA anymore. Am I just not remembering this correctly? I apologize if that’s the case.
Quote: beachbumbabsThat's actually inaccurate. He was banned by Wizard, went to DT and declared he was resigning from both forums. He was banned from there, got released here from the suspension by me (I didn't know he had resigned via DT), returned here, got banned again by me for 3 days.
Someone reminded Wizard IBYA had resigned via DT, Wizard then tacked the resignation onto the 3 days he was serving. It was his second resignation, so instead of 30 day return option, he was accepted as a hard resignation.
Here it is:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/religion/7360-there-is-no-god/112/#post654640
Not sure how "He threw some shade at BBB and got 3 days" is inaccurate.
Quote: gamerfreakHere it is:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/religion/7360-there-is-no-god/112/#post654640
Not sure how "He threw some shade at BBB and got 3 days" is inaccurate.
That part of it is accurate. But he resigned from this forum based on his previous suspension by Wizard 2-3 weeks prior, not because I drove him off. He had enough of an animus towards me I don't doubt it was a factor, but it was not direct cause-and-effect as your post seemed to state.
Did he actually resign two separate times?Quote: beachbumbabsIt was his second resignation, so instead of 30 day return option, he was accepted as a hard resignation.
Reading Wizards last reply to me, I wasn't sure if it was a 30 day suspension or a forever suspension? I had only seen one withdrawal and that was over at DT.
