Going on tilt and losing / regaining heart (seeking a good read)
Quote: EvenBobSo if I make 10 $10 bets in roulette,
I should have about $95 left after every
session, right? Because the edge takes
its chunk on every spin.
Is that the story you want us to believe?
And if I win all 10 bets, how much did the
house make on my play.
EvenBob, you just don't seem to "get it", do you?
After you won your 10 bets, no, you should not have only $95 in order to prove out the HE effect, BUUUUTTTT:
You should have MORE THAN the $100 that you did get paid.
Can't you see it?
They're paying you at "even money" even though the outcome IS NOT a 50/50 outcome. It's less than 50/50, yet they're paying you out only at even money, as if it were a true 50/50 proposition.
If only they'd take those freakin' zeroes off of the wheel.....
So it's not a matter of you "should have been left with only $95", rather it's a matter of you should've been paid MORE THAN the $100 that you did receive.
Quote: sodawater
Every time you are playing a negative game in the casino, you are risking more with your bet than the reward of the payout justifies. No matter the game, it all boils down to that. That's where the house edge comes from. .
Duh, ya think? It manifests itself in the long
term, not on the next wager. On the next
bet anything can happen, the player can
win 15 times in a row. It doesn't matter what
he SHOULD have been paid, what matters is
the casino made zilch on his bets. What they
depend on is him playing and playing until
the HE can slowly whittle away at his BR in
the long term.
That's why the casino gets nervous when somebody
makes one big even money bet. Do you think they're
all winking at each other because they have the edge?
Some guy bets $50K on banker, he has just as much
chance of winning as the casino does.
Just wanted to thank both the pots and the kettles for cutting into my gambling budget this week.
Food prices are still rising, with no sign of going down. I'm out of popcorn; therefore, I need to make an extra trip to the grocery store this week.
Oh well, popcorn money has to come from somewhere, right?
Thanks a lot!
Quote: EvenBobSome guy bets $50K on banker, he has just as much
chance of winning as the casino does.
True.
But he'll be paid only $47,500 on that winner, when he should've been paid more.
A portion of that 5% commission is, in effect, an over-charge to allow for the casino's HE.
It is really all that simple.
Ibeatyouraces and sodawater. That is two! Well at least there are two people who gives a damn. LOL.
Quote: gr8playerTrue.
But he'll be paid only $47,500 on that winner,
How much did the casino make? Saving money
isn't making money in the short term. The HE
only manifests itself in the long term. It's comical
to me that you think the casino makes money
on every bet because they have the long term
edge. If the guy only bet once and walks away,
how much did the casino make on that bet?
You think they're going, whew, good thing we have
the edge.
Quote: EvenBobSaving money
isn't making money in the short term.
Wow. Unbelievable statement.
OK, OK, believe as you will. I simply cannot reason with you.
Be well.
Can't wait for March 25!
Quote: gr8playerI simply cannot reason with you.
.
No reason involved. Just tell me how much the
casino made on that guys bet with their edge.
They LOST $47.5K and there's no way around
it. If the commission had been 50% instead of
5% they would have LOST $25K. In the orig
bet they had to take $47.5K out of their bank
and give it to the guy and watch him walk out
with it. The HE does not manifest (make money for
the casino) itself on every bet.
What you want to say and can't say is, of course
it didn't, the guy didn't PLAY LONG ENOUGH. But
you don't say it because then you'd be agreeing with
me.
I'm only continuing to read now because I find it both amusing and entertaining to hear just how wrong someone can be, and continue to dig thAt hole of wrongness deeper and deeper.
The real winners are of course, the casinos that people of his and egalites ilk play at. If I owned a casino, I'd spend more targeting those types than any others.
Quote: michael99000If I owned a casino, I'd spend more targeting those types than any others.
And you'd lose because of your ignorance.
Quote: michael99000The real winners are of course, the casinos that people of his and egalites ilk play at. If I owned a casino, I'd spend more targeting those types than any others.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/13219-desperately-seeking-baccarat/51/#post292676
That is how casinos get their suckers. They throw tons of table scraps at them. No need to whip them since they bring the whip to you themselves and demand to be whipped. LOL. Better to open a casino than to start/open a brokerage firm/bank!
A Samsung Galaxy 4 costs what? Around $650 to $700 USD? Dr Dre head phones are around what? $150 to $200? The casinos give you a bit of that just to sucker you in and end up costing you many times over. For a mere $2,000 they give you, you end up giving probably ten to twenty times that much.
If you want any one of those items you go and earn and grind it out yourself. Yet by the time you obtain the appropriate chips to get them you realize they are not worth it and would rather keep the money.
Quote: egalite
FYI I make more in comps currently have $15k worth of comps from my Goldcoast trip waiting to be spent / used by Feb, that's on top of what I have already utilized. Today grabbed myself a new Samsung galaxy 4, Dr Dre head phones, computer speakers, 28" LCD and a whole lot more to the value of $2000, it all cost me zilch. Plus I still have more free shopping vouchers as I ran out of things to buy. My recent airfare, hotel, food, more shopping onsite along with the 30% discount for black tier members, all cost me zero. Those boys that run the Star City chain sure do know how to look after their important patrons.
If you send them $50k, they will give you $5000 worth of chips to play with. So if you were only intending to use $10k of your own money, put that together with their free $5000 and you have a 50% minimized risk factor, for what? A small investment, can't argue with that. The VIP rooms here are a bit like a poker circuit, you begin to start recognizing the same interstate players, moving around the country, no hiding behind anonymity here big fella.
That is sooooo senlung/Dragon Baccarat. senlung = Egalite. LOL.
Quote: michael99000One thing everyone has learned from this thread is that despite over 14000 posts, EvenBob has absolutely zero understanding of what house edge means or how house edge works, and with each additional post he portrays this fact more and more clearly.
Unfortunately for Bob (and fortunately for the casinos!) you can't learn by talking; you can only learn by listening.
Quote: egalite
Anyway my cherub, do continue bamboozling & winning them over great-player, the attention must be so gratifying, off to the tool shed after each post perhaps? Educating and enlightening the masses, you are very much appreciated and should be commended for your tireless effort and sterling en-devour. Even managing to squeeze in a condensed trip report (winning ones only of course, nobody wants to read 'bout losing, so let's skip them and not let's mess up the agenda). Bet they were dem "full sized", ya know those really big ones, jumping in 'n' out of those two-holes, just wanna say tremendous old chap, absolutely marvelous. Two nights would be enough for any man over 50.
That is such an arrogant statement. So pompous. Don't feel so proud now eh Egalite? That is what the feeling of invincibility and overconfidence can do to you. It can break and rip your soul.
Quote: DMSCR
That is such an arrogant statement. So pompous. Don't feel so proud now eh Egalite? That is what the feeling of invincibility
Old news, they've been going at it for years and
years. Egalite is a player and GR8's a poseur.
Poseur: a person who pretends to be what he is not; an insincere person
Most of the folks who vouch for him don't play or terrible to begin hence following him around. So that doesn't prove anything at all. As for gr8, I have never seen him play, never met him so I can't say anything. Yet for Peter Keating aka Egalite all that wild goose chase Peter Principle crap he has been spewing does no one any favors except for tons of false promises and definite let downs.
Don't really care if Egalite is a player. With the way he is approaching this, all that money he made is going towards chemo anyways in the future.
He just sent me a PM stating that he made tons of cash, took pics of it and posted in here. LOL. Did anyone catch that?
I still aim to make 20k per month, this month I'll probably do about half that, which is a damn sight more than working for a living, regarding the tilt session, most of that has since been recouped fool. Hey since you have great admiration and a hard on for Walter Mitty, I've heard GR8 has a few empty rooms at the moment, how about you' two hook up for some "bromance", surely a damn sight less risky than the crack whore which you thought it was worth bragging about on the defunct BF site.Quote: DMSCRQuote: egalite
Anyway my cherub, do continue bamboozling & winning them over great-player, the attention must be so gratifying, off to the tool shed after each post perhaps? Educating and enlightening the masses, you are very much appreciated and should be commended for your tireless effort and sterling en-devour. Even managing to squeeze in a condensed trip report (winning ones only of course, nobody wants to read 'bout losing, so let's skip them and not let's mess up the agenda). Bet they were dem "full sized", ya know those really big ones, jumping in 'n' out of those two-holes, just wanna say tremendous old chap, absolutely marvelous. Two nights would be enough for any man over 50.
That is such an arrogant statement. So pompous. Don't feel so proud now eh Egalite? That is what the feeling of invincibility and overconfidence can do to you. It can break and rip your soul.
Regarding TILT etc, this thread provided all the motivation I could possibly ever need, big deal you think you know something I don't (LOL), quit acting like a miffed spoilt brat, who gives a shit, I certainly don't. Players you actually chat to face to face at the tables rarely bother with internet forums, even less so in the VIP rooms. As for all those benefits the casino chucked at me, I would have got them regardless of how my sessions ran, you fucking imbecile (my ban will be my blessing in disguise). DMSCR the mental case.
Yeah keep up with the plus 1, plus 2, minus 2, plus 3, plus 5, increasing your bet while pretending not to do so or get noticed. When you pull $80k inside fours months from various casinos then you should congratulate yourself. Cherrio.Quote: BuzzardI beg to differ. Your ban will be a welcome relief to me and many others. Bye-Bye !
Quote: DMSCR
Don't really care if Egalite is a player. With the way he is approaching this, all that money he made is going towards chemo anyways in the future.
He just sent me a PM stating that he made tons of cash, took pics of it and posted in here. LOL. Did anyone catch that?
Interesting. PM's are private.
Quote: egaliteI still aim to make 20k per month, this month I'll probably do about half that, which is a damn sight more than working for a living, regarding the tilt session, most of that has since been recouped fool. Hey since you have great admiration and a hard on for Walter Mitty, I've heard GR8 has a few empty rooms at the moment, how about you' two hook up for some "bromance", surely a damn sight less risky than the crack whore which you thought it was worth bragging about on the defunct BF site.
Regarding TILT etc, this thread provided all the motivation I could possibly ever need, big deal you think you know something I don't (LOL), quit acting like a miffed spoilt brat, who gives a shit, I certainly don't. Players you actually chat to face to face at the tables rarely bother with internet forums, even less so in the VIP rooms. As for all those benefits the casino chucked at me, I would have got them regardless of how my sessions ran, you fucking imbecile (my ban will be my blessing in disguise). DMSCR the mental case.
Quote: egalite
Anyway my cherub, do continue bamboozling & winning .
Uhoh, egalite's name is in red. Was it something he said?
Quote: EvenBobUhoh, egalite's name is in red. Was it something he said?
As soon as someone is able to overcome the house edge in a centuries old casino game , their name gets colored.
When you see my name in teal you'll know my 3 Card Poker system has finally been perfected
Hint #8 [assuming I am keeping count ok]
Simply learn which path to take!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/gambler-wins-30000-at-casino-on-his-birthday-and-celebrates-by-throwing-it-all-off-hotel-balcony-9053514.html
Quote: sodawaterMaybe this is what egalite meant by tilt:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/gambler-wins-30000-at-casino-on-his-birthday-and-celebrates-by-throwing-it-all-off-hotel-balcony-9053514.html
"When the man wanted to get back to his hotel, he realised he didn’t have any money left for a taxi and had to borrow some."
LOLOLOLOL
Quote: EvenBobOld news, they've been going at it for years and
years. Egalite is a player and GR8's a poseur.
Poseur: a person who pretends to be what he is not; an insincere person
Hmmm.....
"Egalite is a player", yeah, so what? The casino is chock-filled with players, and, frankly, the more such as "Egalite", the better, as far as they're concerned. Players that chase their losses straight into "never, never-land" are their bread and butter, EvenBob. I should expect better sense from you.
And then there's your "GR8's a poseur" comment....
You've known me for years. Have you ever read a lie in any one of my posts? Ever? I have no time for frivolity, and you know that. When you read a post of mine, you're reading the truth.
That fact does not preclude me from being on the wrong side of an issue, however. I've taken a lot of slack for my positions and/or approaches to the game of Baccarat right here in this very forum. There are those that believe that what I do at the Baccarat tables is, for lack of a better descriptive term, "un-doable". I take no issue with those members, as they surely are entitled to question anything that goes against their core belief in the daunted house edge.
So they, too, question some of my postings. But they, for the most part, do not question my commitment and surely not my "sincerity", as you did in your quote just above. As such, I am compelled to take issue with your obviously-false assumption. Maybe I am mistaken to "expect better sense from you".
Quote: DMSCRI knew they were on good speaking terms once. Then suddenly Egalite turned on him. Like he does everyone else. First he kisses their behinds in trying to steal their ideas and when they don't share when they see right through him he turns a 360.
Most of the folks who vouch for him don't play or terrible to begin hence following him around. So that doesn't prove anything at all. As for gr8, I have never seen him play, never met him so I can't say anything. Yet for Peter Keating aka Egalite all that wild goose chase Peter Principle crap he has been spewing does no one any favors except for tons of false promises and definite let downs.
Spot-on commentary, D-man. Sums it up quite well. Nice job.
Quote: strictlyAPWow bobs friend is 86,d? Did I miss something or miss realized the whole thing was drivel
Bob had a friend ? surely you jest !
Quote: gr8player
So they, too, question some of my postings. .
Some? Your posts are all the same, they're about
nothing. At least egalite has substance in his.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceSo the people who pretend to be beating an unbeatable game don't get along? .
Rarely, why would they. The world of beating
casinos is cut throat as hell, it's not the 'lets share'
Kumbaya universe the clueless think it should be.
You learn every bit of info the hard way, and you're
loathe to give any of it away.
Quote: EvenBobRarely, why would they. The world of beating
casinos is cut throat as hell, it's not the 'lets share'
Kumbaya universe the clueless think it should be.
You learn every bit of info the hard way, and you're
loathe to give any of it away.
Agree with Bob the second time! LOL.
Quote: gr8playerSpot-on commentary, D-man. Sums it up quite well. Nice job.
He was fine until I didn't give him my ideas when I went to his little private board on BF and saw the lack of activity and absolute nonsense being posted in there. Plus he was using various usernames to artificially create demand. Some suckers bought into it or maybe they were him as well. I don't know. Didn't care. So I left and that was when he immediately went all nuts like he did with Archer.
Very unstable this Peter Keating aka Egalite. Well at least it was not as bad when I went to meet with thegoal at Foxwoods. Now that was screwed up. Didn't show up at that casino for four months after I met him.
Quote: EdgeLookerWould of been great though if they had revealed their complete methods. Then a computer simulation of them could become an epic battle of ............Gr8player vs. Egalite - Whose methods are better for the bettor? :)
I think that all their methods are very profitable... for the casinos.
Quote: DMSCRSo I left and that was when he immediately went all nuts like he did with Archer.
.
I never said he was stable, him and I still
don't get along. He does do what he says
he does, I don't want it being said he doesn't.
I know this for an indisputable fact, he
supports himself quite well playing bac. He
was in the UK for years and was eventually
barred in all the casinos he liked, so now
he's in AU. Him and I don't like each other
at all, and that's putting it lightly.
He started out in roulette and moved to bac
because it's way faster and there are no zeros.
How did he prove he was making money on any casino game? Did he show a video or tax returns? Maybe he was cheating and that's why he got bannedQuote: EvenBobI never said he was stable, him and I still
don't get along. He does do what he says
he does, I don't want it being said he doesn't.
I know this for an indisputable fact, he
supports himself quite well playing bac. He
was in the UK for years and was eventually
barred in all the casinos he liked, so now
he's in AU. Him and I don't like each other
at all, and that's putting it lightly.
He started out in roulette and moved to bac
because it's way faster and there are no zeros.
Quote: AxelWolfHow did he prove he was making money on any casino game? Did he show a video or tax returns? Maybe he was cheating and that's why he got banned
I knew two people who lived in London who
knew him and vouched for the fact he indeed
was a pro who did it for a living. Nobody
ever disputed that on the gambling forums, he was
everything he said he was. Like many of his
ilk, he has a huge ego and always wants to
be right and makes no bones about telling
you when you're wrong. He was never very
very popular. His name was johno on GG,
here's a thread he started in 2010.
http://www.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=1056&forum=Baccarat_Message_Board
Quote: DMSCRHe was fine until I didn't give him my ideas when I went to his little private board on BF and saw the lack of activity and absolute nonsense being posted in there. Plus he was using various usernames to artificially create demand. Some suckers bought into it or maybe they were him as well. I don't know. Didn't care. So I left and that was when he immediately went all nuts like he did with Archer.
This is a rather unstable man, to say the least. I distanced myself from him as that became more and more evident to me.
Poor Archer. Egalite called him in his home...IN HIS HOME...in a threatening manner. Way, WAY, over the top.
Quote: DMSCRVery unstable this Peter Keating aka Egalite. Well at least it was not as bad when I went to meet with thegoal at Foxwoods. Now that was screwed up. Didn't show up at that casino for four months after I met him.
Exactly why I refuse to meet up with anyone at the tables. Look, Baccarat is a money game, so personal safety is a paramount issue.
Quote: gr8playerThis is a rather unstable man, to say the least..
You should know, Mr Stability. How many
times have you changed your story over
the years, you think that's stable?
Quote: DMSCRAgree with Bob the second time! LOL.
Only 998 times to go.
Quote: EvenBobI knew two people who lived in London who
knew him and vouched for the fact he indeed
was a pro who did it for a living.
Please don't even attempt to insult our intelligence so blatantly. You "knew two men who knew him"???!!! Really now, Spike, give it up...
Quote: EvenBobNobody ever disputed that on the gambling forums, he was
everything he said he was.
Again, just whom are you trying to hoodwink here? EVERYBODY disputed his every word! Heck, he had, what, 3 different usernames at the Glen that I knew of: Scambuster, Johno, Carlo. And that's only the one's that I knew of. The guy's a proven and yes, even admitted, liar.
Yet, EvenBob/Spike, you continue to vouch for him as though he's your long lost brother.
To me, that says a lot about your own character.....or lack thereof.
Quote: gr8playerPlease don't even attempt to insult our intelligence so blatantly. .
I've had egalite's play verified again and again
by people I trust. It's indisputable as far as
I'm concerned.
Yet not once has YOUR play ever been verified
by one single witness. You always run the other
way as fast as you can when the subject comes up.
If it's the former, how?
(If it's the latter, I'm less interested)
