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egalite
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January 6th, 2014 at 5:13:39 PM permalink
After what was a very successful Baccarat jaunt on the Gold Coast, I was playing at a extremely slow table which was severely screwing my head, the combination of the card squeezing, being continually giving duff cards to open such as a "three side and no side" which turned out to be an 8 and an 3 or a 7 and 4 or BJ (wrong table), the totally inapt slow dealer was getting to me. My final lost bet of 500 was placed on the wrong side (shit happens). So I hot trot to the VIP area for a fast recoup and got well and truly nailed.

That was a crazy situation with a pit boss gawping from one side and another staff member grinning from the other, I spoke up and said "what the fuck is going, would you like a seat", so the pit boss told the staff member to find something to do, which invited comments from the dealer who was loving every minute of my demise and melt down, something that doesn't happen often but can happen.

Licking my wounds, I now find myself in the situation of having to do it all over again, Not entirely fazed by that, because I've done it many times in the past, grinding out 20k per month, yet I find it so mentally draining to be so far ahead and having to restart all over. My question to veteran board members, it there any decent literature on the web, book recommendations that deal with these rare and unfortunate aspects of gambling.
sodawater
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January 6th, 2014 at 5:21:45 PM permalink
Baccarat is a negative game and you cannot expect to "grind out" a profit from it.

You should only play baccarat for entertainment purposes, for an amount you are fine with losing.

With regard to "tilt" and other psychological aspects of gambling, there are many poker books that discuss this. Barry Greenstein's excellent book "Ace on the River" has a few chapters devoted to psychology and tilt.

Doyle Brunson's advice in "According to Doyle" is to never sit down to a poker game if you are feeling too angry, upset, sick, or anxious to sit through a 2-hour movie in a theater. I think that is good advice.

However, that only applies to poker and other games that can be positive-expectation. For a negative game, don't play unless you're having fun and can afford to lose the money you are playing with.
EvenBob
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January 6th, 2014 at 5:22:51 PM permalink
Quote: egalite



Licking my wounds, I now find myself in the situation of having to do it all over again.



Do what all over again. You lost your whole BR,
is that what you're saying?
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
FleaStiff
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January 6th, 2014 at 5:24:24 PM permalink
I'm not quite sure what happened.

If employees were annoying you, speak up promptly.

If it was other players bending cards... play Mini Bacc where players don't touch the cards.

Don't let things annoy you. Luck comes and goes but bad employees go if you speak up.
egalite
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January 6th, 2014 at 5:33:59 PM permalink
Thanks sodawater, I constantly grind out profits playing Baccarat, winning 10, 15, 20 continuous sessions is a well developed habit for me, I make more playing Baccarat than I would working for any wage, I'm not your perceived average player.

Cheers for the Brunson quote, it is a start, I was looking for a decent physiologically read if anybody knows of any.
AxiomOfChoice
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January 6th, 2014 at 5:41:28 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

Baccarat is a negative game and you cannot expect to "grind out" a profit from it.



I dunno. Most games can be beaten if you have the right information.

I must admit, I'm a little confused too. I can only think of a couple of ways to (legally) beat baccarat and they don't seem too likely to work in practice. But maybe there is something that I'm not thinking of...
EvenBob
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January 6th, 2014 at 5:41:48 PM permalink
What happened? Do you lose a great deal of money?
What you wrote is very vague.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
sodawater
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January 6th, 2014 at 5:45:54 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

I dunno. Most games can be beaten if you have the right information.

I must admit, I'm a little confused too. I can only think of a couple of ways to (legally) beat baccarat and they don't seem too likely to work in practice. But maybe there is something that I'm not thinking of...



Maybe OP is Phil Ivey
egalite
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January 6th, 2014 at 5:47:16 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Do what all over again. You lost your whole BR, is that what you're saying?

Not quite, I lost the bulk of my tidy trip profit, but that wasn't the purpose of the post.

Quote: FleaStiff

I'm not quite sure what happened.

If employees were annoying you, speak up promptly.

If it was other players bending cards... play Mini Bacc where players don't touch the cards.

Don't let things annoy you. Luck comes and goes but bad employees go if you speak up.

It is very rare for me to lose my composure at the tables, it was like being in a pressure cooker, the combination of losing and having two staff members gawping at me plus the dealer, so I did speak up with the odd expletive. No doubt the pit boss was enjoying it, as I bought in for 2k the day before and turned that into a 250% profit, something they weren't happy with. It was akin to going on tilt at a poker table [hence the title]. Now I'm am seeking (if any exists) a good read to find heart to do it all over again.
AxelWolf
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January 6th, 2014 at 5:50:52 PM permalink
Quote: egalite

Not quite, I lost the bulk of my tidy trip profit, but that wasn't the purpose of the post.

It is very rare for me to lose my composure at the tables, it was like being in a pressure cooker, the combination of losing and having two staff members gawping at me plus the dealer, so I did speak up with the odd expletive. No doubt the pit boss was enjoying it, as I bought in for 2k the day before and turned that into a 250% profit, something they weren't happy with. It was akin to going on tilt at a poker table [hence the title]. Now I'm am seeking (if any exists) a good read to find heart to do it all over again.

Zen and the Art of Poker ?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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