NV Gov. Announces Casinos not Opening till phase 3 or 4
Quote: ChumpChange5 local Denny's restaurants are going out of business. Saw a longer line of cars at the Wendy's drive thru at 6pm.
Rental-car giant Hertz — which also operates the Dollar, Thrifty and Firefly brands — files for bankruptcy after being devastated by the plunge in travel since the pandemic hit
Very interesting. I am surprised that the rental car industry did not get the bailout that is keeping airlines and small businesses afloat.
I have never been a fan of the profitability of the rental car business. It always seemed that the prices were just too low to be a sustainable profitable business model. With the advent of low cost Uber/Lyft, it was another nail in the coffin. I am always a little leery of really big bankruptcies. Some times just seems like a way for a company to eliminate its debt and start over. Does anyone think that a year from today you won't be able to rent a car from Hertz?
Quote: TonyTwoEyesSo it looks like according to Richard N. Velotta of the Las Vegas Review Journal in his article from a couple days ago "Casino reopening clues may come in Control Board workshop Tuesday" that we may finally get some kind of actual reopening date on Tuesday!!!
That is a big might, for sure. Every-time I think we may actually hear something solid the actual press conferences are full of double speak, buck passing and non-commitment to anything.
Imagine running a fine establishment like The Rusty Spurs or Double Down without being able to project re-opening at all. Must be killing them.
Vellotta had some great quotes in the article:
"Six health and safety experts have been invited to address the board in a videoconference, followed by board deliberations and possible action."
Does possible action mean reopening date finally set?
"Nevada is on track to be one of the last states to reopen casinos."
Really, your biggest industry is Casinos and you are the last??? Hell the peoples republic of CA is opening casinos before Nevada.
Pathetic just pathetic. I just want to spend 12 hours at the old Double Down playing video poker, drinking PBR & Ass Juice while listening to punk rock and there no way to schedule a trip.
On a good note I was able to confirm the TA Truck Stop on Dean Martin has a back entrance for the showers so the hard working truckers are not totally screwed. The truckers lounge and gym are still closed and no word on their awesome Alamo casino.
Another 12 hours at The Rusty Spurs would be on the schedule too... If only we knew the darn schedule.
Yes, it is a shame, but alas, it is a blue state Gov in charge. What else could we expect????!!!????? There are 162 other casinos open in the US and yet, NV has lower infection and death rates than many of those other states for over 4 weeks. What gives? Oh yes, covered that already, in as non-political a way as possible.
Quote: NewtoTownYes, it is a shame, but alas, it is a blue state Gov in charge. What else could we expect????!!!????? There are 162 other casinos open in the US and yet, NV has lower infection and death rates than many of those other states for over 4 weeks. What gives? Oh yes, covered that already, in as non-political a way as possible.
I think the real issue is the bread and butter of the state, casino's, is a large gathering venue.
For example Orlando Florida bread and butter is amusement parks.
Should they have stood open because of economy or closed because that many people in one spot is conducive to spreading the virus
Quote: darkoz
For example Orlando Florida bread and butter is amusement parks
And what do you know, Disney World in Orlando opens on May 2, the same day as the casinos in CT.
Gee, I wonder if state revenue has anything to do with either one of those?
Quote: racquetAnd what do you know, Disney World in Orlando opens on May 2, the same day as the casinos in CT.
Gee, I wonder if state revenue has anything to do with either one of those?
And what do you know that's not true.
https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/travel-information/
Disneyworld has not set any reopen date according to their own website.
Any reservations have been refunded through July first
FWIW, this is from Dick Velotta at the RJ:Quote: NewtoTownYes, it is a shame, but alas, it is a blue state Gov in charge. What else could we expect????!!!????? There are 162 other casinos open in the US and yet, NV has lower infection and death rates than many of those other states for over 4 weeks. What gives? Oh yes, covered that already, in as non-political a way as possible.
"On Friday afternoon, Gov. Steve Sisolak gave Nevada casinos a tentative date they could plan to reopen: June 4. Seventy-eight days after casinos first closed down to help stem the spread of COVID-19.
The move comes as the state has faced an increasing amount of pressure to reopen; Nevada’s unemployment rate hit record highs in April, and casinos in 12 other states had opened their doors ahead of those in Sin City."
Quote: NewtoTownYes, it is a shame, but alas, it is a blue state Gov in charge. What else could we expect????!!!?????
Political statement -- 7 days (Martingaled).
Quote: darkozI think the real issue is the bread and butter of the state, casino's, is a large gathering venue.
For example Orlando Florida bread and butter is amusement parks.
Should they have stood open because of economy or closed because that many people in one spot is conducive to spreading the virus
Disney World is the overwhelming favorite to host the NBA if they resume their season, which they are now expected to. If that ends up happening there’s no way they reopen before September. And at that point....you have to wonder if they’d even open then in anticipation of the very hyped “second wave.”
Quote: ChumpChange5 local Denny's restaurants are going out of business. Saw a longer line of cars at the Wendy's drive thru at 6pm.
Rental-car giant Hertz — which also operates the Dollar, Thrifty and Firefly brands — files for bankruptcy after being devastated by the plunge in travel since the pandemic hit
Doesn't matter how much wealth destroyed or lives crushed. WE.MUST.STAY.CLOSED.IF.IT.SAVES.EVEN.1.LIFE.
For those that do not get it, that is satire.
Quote: darkozAnd what do you know that's not true.
https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/travel-information/
Disneyworld has not set any reopen date according to their own website.
Any reservations have been refunded through July first
My mistake. It's Universal Studios/Orlando, and it's June 5th.
https://www.wesh.com/article/universal-orlando-reopen-june/32646125#
Quote: racquetMy mistake. It's Universal Studios/Orlando, and it's June 5th.
https://www.wesh.com/article/universal-orlando-reopen-june/32646125#
No problem
I have made enough mistakes myself
They said they are eliminating mist, water aspects of rides. I don't get that. I'm not afraid of water from a mist machine.
I don't think the water flume on Jurassic Park is carrying the virus. It doesn't seem to work that way.
However social distancing on rides is going to be weird. Lines will be so much longer.
I understand why they eliminated the single rider line though
Quote: AZDuffmanDoesn't matter how much wealth destroyed or lives crushed. WE.MUST.STAY.CLOSED.IF.IT.SAVES.EVEN.1.LIFE.
For those that do not get it, that is satire.
One undiagnosed case could wipe out a city of 20,000 in 2 months with no lockdown and no safety provisions. We're already living on borrowed time that's been wasted on political content.
Quote: ChumpChangeOne undiagnosed case could wipe out a city of 20,000 in 2 months with no lockdown and no safety provisions. We're already living on borrowed time that's been wasted on political content.
Uh, doubtful. But anyone who wants to stay home nobody is stopping them, just do it on their own dime.
I myself am a little guilty of that as well on a few occasions. I don't think we are anywhere near prepared to deal with it if it happens. Admittedly, I have no clue what or how we would have needed to do in order to prepared and keep it from spreading like before.
Quote: AxelWolfLet's just hope this herd immunity theory or something works, because from what I'm seeing as far as social distancing and masks go, sooner or later we're going to be back to the same levels or higher then we had prior to the lock-down.
I myself am a little guilty of that as well on a few occasions. I don't think we are anywhere near prepared to deal with it if it happens. Admittedly, I have no clue what or how we would have needed to do in order to prepared and keep it from spreading like before.
I agree and frankly I'm scared even though I want to get out of prison and have the economy return to normal.
Quote: AxelWolfLet's just hope this herd immunity theory or something works, because from what I'm seeing as far as social distancing and masks go, sooner or later we're going to be back to the same levels or higher then we had prior to the lock-down.
I myself am a little guilty of that as well on a few occasions. I don't think we are anywhere near prepared to deal with it if it happens. Admittedly, I have no clue what or how we would have needed to do in order to prepared and keep it from spreading like before.
Just pretend there is no virus and go back to normal. We are all going to die anyway. Don't let 100,000 dead interfere with your gawd given right to do whatever you want. After all, there is no "we" in U.S.A. Masks are for children.
Quote: billryanJust pretend there is no virus and go back to normal. We are all going to die anyway. Don't let 100,000 dead interfere with your gawd given right to do whatever you want. After all, there is no "we" in U.S.A. Masks are for children.
If you let "dead" stop you then you would never get into a car or eat so many good foods. Those staying home leave more room at the $10 table for those of us who are not.
Quote: AZDuffmanUh, doubtful. But anyone who wants to stay home nobody is stopping them, just do it on their own dime.
Agreed.
Anyone who relies on an elected official to provide them with common sense does not have much of their own.
Regardless of what one governor says in one jurisdiction versus a mayor in some other, I will decide what to do, or not do, based on my own best judgement. It's no better than the judgement of anyone else - family member, friend, local pol, parish priest, cable news prima donna.
I will take into account those opinions that I believe to be sound ones. I don't need a newly empowered political hack to decide for me, on whichever side of all the various ideas about getting back into the public I fall on.
When I think that it's safe enough for me, I will go out, or not, with whatever precautions I feel are appropriate at that moment.
It seems totally illogical to think, "Gee, I wonder what Donald Trump, Either Cuomo, or Bill De Blasio thinks about what I should do? Wait. Let me find out before I decide, for myself, what is best."
Whatever you believe about transmission, social distance, symptomatic, asymptomatic, whatever... Act for yourself. Decide for yourself.
I can guarantee you it's not going to be on their own dime, YOU will end up paying for it/them one way or another.Quote: AZDuffmanUh, doubtful. But anyone who wants to stay home nobody is stopping them, just do it on their own dime.
I know someone who has benefited immensely from the Coronavirus government funded windfall. I can only imagine what's really going on, some people are making more money than ever, and it's most likely the people who absolutely do not deserve it.
Are you willing to pay for the at-risk people who absolutely shouldn't return to work?
Quote: AxelWolfI can guarantee you it's not going to be on their own dime, YOU will end up paying for it/them one way or another.
I know someone who has benefited immensely from the Coronavirus government funded windfall. I can only imagine what's really going on, some people are making more money than ever, and it's most likely the people who absolutely do not deserve it.
Are you willing to pay for the at-risk people who absolutely shouldn't return to work?
I have said many times they should not be collecting benefits when we open back up, which should be now.
Quote: AZDuffmanI have said many times they should not be collecting benefits when we open back up, which should be now.
So we leave the most vulnerable among society to fend for themselves? Is that your plan?
Quote: billryanSo we leave the most vulnerable among society to fend for themselves? Is that your plan?
So we should just dispense the exact same amount to each individual without any inquiry as to how vulnerable? That's your plan. is it?
Quote: billryanSo we leave the most vulnerable among society to fend for themselves? Is that your plan?
We can't keep printing money so everyone can sit at home.
Quote: AZDuffmanWe can't keep printing money so everyone can sit at home.
You are free to not stay at home and collect money (you definitely are not printing it I hope)
Let those who wish to stay home collect their money
And when you catch Coronavirus the government will pay for your hospital bill by printing more money
Quote: darkozYou are free to not stay at home and collect money (you definitely are not printing it I hope)
Let those who wish to stay home collect their money
And when you catch Coronavirus the government will pay for your hospital bill by printing more money
It is the Fed printing the money. People think it is magic. It is the path to hyperinflation.
Government will not pay my bills. I'll take my chances on catching it.
Quote: AZDuffmanIt is the Fed printing the money. People think it is magic. It is the path to hyperinflation.
Government will not pay my bills. I'll take my chances on catching it.
Okay
But don't complain your broke then
Quote: darkozOkay
But don't complain your broke then
I am more likely to be broke from a depression than a virus. Far more.
Quote: AZDuffmanI am more likely to be broke from a depression than a virus. Far more.
Why would you be broke in either? I'm sure you have a tidy rainy day fund, no?
Quote: billryanWhy would you be broke in either? I'm sure you have a tidy rainy day fund, no?
I can last for some time, but sooner or later it all runs out.
Quote: racquetSo we should just dispense the exact same amount to each individual without any inquiry as to how vulnerable? That's your plan. is it?
Perhaps you can tell me more about my plan. You've aroused my curiosity.
Quote: AZDuffmanIt is the Fed printing the money. People think it is magic. It is the path to hyperinflation.
I was trying to explain recently to a friend who hopes his gold will go "up" to $5000. I said, if gold goes "up" to $5000, what do you think you'll be able to purchase with it? I had to answer for him, "about the same purchasing power that $1700 will buy you now". It's not the gold going UP in value, it's the dollar going DOWN in value.
Who will pay for everyone that gets seriously sick or if it gets so far out of hand we have to re-shut everything down and start from scratch? It's better to just do it right the first time(I haven't any clue what that would be)Quote: AZDuffmanI have said many times they should not be collecting benefits when we open back up, which should be now.
Quote: AxelWolfWho will pay for everyone that gets seriously sick or if it gets so far out of hand we have to re-shut everything down and start from scratch? It's better to just do it right the first time(I haven't any clue what that would be)
My advertising business was destroyed in early January because so many of my clients import from China. If the light switch was flicked to ON tomorrow it would take six months to recover.
Shelves will be bare for holiday shopping this year.
Quote: AxelWolfWho will pay for everyone that gets seriously sick or if it gets so far out of hand we have to re-shut everything down and start from scratch? It's better to just do it right the first time(I haven't any clue what that would be)
It’s definitely been too late to do it right the first time at least four months now, probably five, just choosing between different degrees of unknown wrongs now.
Going to take epidemiologists and economists to talk to each other and not down to/past each other to figure out what that is now. Crossing our fingers and praying might be better odds, as ever slim as that is, of that ever happening.
Quote: AlanMendelsonMy advertising business was destroyed in early January because so many of my clients import from China. If the light switch was flicked to ON tomorrow it would take six months to recover.
Shelves will be bare for holiday shopping this year.
Let's just hope there is holiday shopping this year. I don't know your business model, but a six-month recovery is pretty optimistic to me. Here, I lost the prime tourist season and Bisbee has canceled Pride Weekend which is usually the last hurrah before monsoon season. People who know this region far better than I say this year is already washed out. With a six month lead time, this is when business's should be planning for the Christmas season but are in a very different mode.
Quote: AxelWolfWho will pay for everyone that gets seriously sick or if it gets so far out of hand we have to re-shut everything down and start from scratch? It's better to just do it right the first time(I haven't any clue what that would be)
IFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIF
We did it right the first time. We overdid it. What are we supposed to do, stay home for 10 years until they find a vaccine?
Life is risk. You never know for sure. Let's open!
Quote: billryanSome people whose opinions I trust say there is an increasing possibility of therapeutic drugs being available in the next few months.
It is available TODAY. Remdesivir IS a therapeutic drug that helps somewhat. Looks like 20% less chance of dying? Maybe a little better than that. If you mean a drug that is MORE effective than that, I doubt we will find one before a vaccine is available. But there are a bunch of anti-virals that are being tested. Hopefully your info is correct and one will be more effective than Remdesivir.
Perhaps sadly, but our intensive care doctors, now with more experience with the sickest of the COVID-19 patients, are getting a little better at saving some lives. The advent of 'proning' as a standard procedure has definitely saved lives. Specific non ventilator airway strategies have probably saved some more. Anti-clotting strategies a few more.
There is no doubt in my mind that given two equally sick COVID-19 patients, one in March and one in May, the one in May has a better survival chance just due to the added experience and knowledge the medical profession has.
Quote: SOOPOOIt is available TODAY. Remdesivir IS a therapeutic drug that helps somewhat. Looks like 20% less chance of dying? Maybe a little better than that. If you mean a drug that is MORE effective than that, I doubt we will find one before a vaccine is available. But there are a bunch of anti-virals that are being tested. Hopefully your info is correct and one will be more effective than Remdesivir.
Perhaps sadly, but our intensive care doctors, now with more experience with the sickest of the COVID-19 patients, are getting a little better at saving some lives. The advent of 'proning' as a standard procedure has definitely saved lives. Specific non ventilator airway strategies have probably saved some more. Anti-clotting strategies a few more.
There is no doubt in my mind that given two equally sick COVID-19 patients, one in March and one in May, the one in May has a better survival chance just due to the added experience and knowledge the medical profession has.
20% less chance of dying isn't good enough.
We are nearing 100,000 deaths. If Remdesvir had been available from the start we would only have 80,000?
Quote: darkoz20% less chance of dying isn't good enough.
We are nearing 100,000 deaths. If Remdesvir had been available from the start we would only have 80,000?
Well, of course I don't know for sure, but perhaps, YES!
Penicillin, and related antibiotics, saves tens of thousands of lives a year. But tens of thousands still die from various bacterial infections. I consider the antibiotics a success.
I am just saying Remdesivir versus nothing is a no brainer. If you tell me I have a .5% chance of dying, but just take this drug and it is now .4%, of course I take it. That means it just saves 1 out of the 1000 people who take it.
I can PROMISE you, if Leronlimab had equally promising results, it would be front page news! Hopefully we will see it on the front page soon...
Remember that as you reopen everything.
Quote: SOOPOOWell, of course I don't know for sure, but perhaps, YES!
Penicillin, and related antibiotics, saves tens of thousands of lives a year. But tens of thousands still die from various bacterial infections. I consider the antibiotics a success.
I am just saying Remdesivir versus nothing is a no brainer. If you tell me I have a .5% chance of dying, but just take this drug and it is now .4%, of course I take it. That means it just saves 1 out of the 1000 people who take it.
I can PROMISE you, if Leronlimab had equally promising results, it would be front page news! Hopefully we will see it on the front page soon...
Leronlimab is undergoing a double-blinded placebo study.
Double blinded means neither doctor nor patients sees what they are getting.
It's not front page news yet because the study hasn't been unblinded
I'm not saying the study will be a raging success. Only that no news is expected news with a double blinded study
Quote: AlanMendelsonIt was only a couple of weeks ago that people were saying the regular seasonal flu killed more people than COVID-19.
Remember that as you reopen everything.
A couple of weeks ago? I think someone posted this week that if you eliminated all the deaths falsely attributed to the virus, this is a normal flu season.
Quote: AlanMendelsonIt was only a couple of weeks ago that people were saying the regular seasonal flu killed more people than COVID-19.
Remember that as you reopen everything.
Yesterday about 125,000 people died. It really doesn't make much difference to me.
???????Quote: DRichYesterday about 125,000 people died.
Quote: DRichYesterday about 125,000 people died.
Quote: SanchoPanza???????
Depending on the source, time of year, etc., there's something like 100k-150k deaths per day, globally.
Quote: DRichYesterday about 125,000 people died. It really doesn't make much difference to me.
But are you for reopening during this pandemic?
I think you said it doesn't seem important unless thirty million people die?
I'm trying to understand how someone who openly claims they don't care if people die would care if they live (,or die from economic distress)
Just in: WHO temporarily halts trial of hydroxychloroquine over safety concerns.
He doesn’t. My read of his posts is he wants to open to minimize his own inconvenience.Quote: darkozBut are you for reopening during this pandemic?
I think you said it doesn't seem important unless thirty million people die?
I'm trying to understand how someone who openly claims they don't care if people die would care if they live (,or die from economic distress)
Quote: darkozBut are you for reopening during this pandemic?
I think you said it doesn't seem important unless thirty million people die?
I'm trying to understand how someone who openly claims they don't care if people die would care if they live (,or die from economic distress)
It is called "looking at the big picture." What use is saving lives in one way to lose them in another?
