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August 13th, 2019 at 1:53:51 PM permalink
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Hate speech: three-day suspension.



Call strangers that outside a gay bar and see what happens.



Golly. I would expect the gay persons to try to educate the user of that phrase to show him how offensive it could be to the patrons of said bar. I hope, Mike, that you are not implying the gay person would resort to violence? That is demeaning to gay people everywhere, to imply they cannot engage in a serious discussion without resorting to violence.....
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:55:26 PM permalink
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Just a spinal fusion. It is a common surgery with 80%-85% success.



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August 13th, 2019 at 1:55:27 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I think that what you have said is partially true, but not entirely.

For one thing, it makes it sound like the primary driver of the sites is to get people to gamble online. That is not the purpose of the sites, or we wouldn't write some of the stuff that we write. If we think the house edge of a game sucks, we'll say that it sucks and nobody has ever instructed me to do otherwise. If we think the terms and conditions of a particular online casino are ridiculous, then we will write that we think they are ridiculous, and again, nobody has ever so much as hinted that I should do otherwise.

The purpose of Wizardofodds.com, as a primary purpose, is to instruct, educate and provide information for those who are interested in gambling. The purpose of this site is very similar, with more of a focus on conversational/opinion related things, which can be found in the forum as well as the articles.

The model of having one approved casino was not financially sustainable for reasons that I don't fully know, but I suspect really boiled down to most people who were going to go to Bovada had already done so. I also don't know if there were any agreements relating to repeat Bovada play from people who had visited Bovada via this site or what those agreements were. In any event, it was clearly decided that for the sites to be profitable, or more profitable, we would have to advertise multiple online casinos. Bovada remains one of those.

If you wish to maintain that the primary purpose of the site is to get people to visit the online casinos, I won't argue with you, but I will say that politics threads do not even serve the secondary purpose of the site if that is the case.

Honestly, though, you would think there would be more articles about online casinos if that was the goal. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been directly asked to write about a specific online casino.



Come on Mission, the owners didnít buy this site for over 2M to help gamblers. Or any other reason other than to attract customers to online casinos that PAY them for clicking links.

Hopefully I know you well enough that you understand EVERYTHING they do is to get people to those online casinos. Itís the ONLY way they get their money back.

Anything they pay you is in regards to helping them to that end.

I doubt they would even deny it. And itís the only way they get their return on investment. Surely you understand that.
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:56:51 PM permalink
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Quote: gordonm888

Collecting casino chips is indeed relating to gambling. Gambling can reasonably be construed to include such topics as:
-the history of gambling,
-the diversity of gambling equipment (including chips);
- business developments in the corporate gambling world,
- the architecture of casinos,
- things to do in cities/regions where casinos are,
- legal aspects associated with police seizure of assets such as gambler's cash,
- death/illness of gamblers, gaming industry people and forum members

and dozens of other such topics.

And nothing in the Wizard's comments leads me to believe that non-combative off-topic topics will be banned assuming they are in good taste and add something to the community that uses this forum. Use your common sense.

Banned Threads
Politics
Gun control
Abortion
Immigration
Religion
Sexual preference
Threads titled "Things I have Stuck Up My Rectum" that include a picture of your head

Examples of Allowable Off-Topic Threads
Weight Loss
What Are You Reading?
Licence Plate Collecting (lol)
Solar Eclipse
Forum Contests
etc.



Excellent points.

You would make a great secret mod



Yes he/she would fit right in with most of the mods with these veiled personal attacks...snipped

Why else would moderators do it for free?
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:57:31 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

The reality is, ..



No offense, that's opinion. You offered no statistics
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:58:30 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I think that what you have said is partially true, but not entirely.

For one thing, it makes it sound like the primary driver of the sites is to get people to gamble online. That is not the purpose of the sites, or we wouldn't write some of the stuff that we write. If we think the house edge of a game sucks, we'll say that it sucks and nobody has ever instructed me to do otherwise. If we think the terms and conditions of a particular online casino are ridiculous, then we will write that we think they are ridiculous, and again, nobody has ever so much as hinted that I should do otherwise.

The purpose of Wizardofodds.com, as a primary purpose, is to instruct, educate and provide information for those who are interested in gambling. The purpose of this site is very similar, with more of a focus on conversational/opinion related things, which can be found in the forum as well as the articles.

The model of having one approved casino was not financially sustainable for reasons that I don't fully know, but I suspect really boiled down to most people who were going to go to Bovada had already done so. I also don't know if there were any agreements relating to repeat Bovada play from people who had visited Bovada via this site or what those agreements were. In any event, it was clearly decided that for the sites to be profitable, or more profitable, we would have to advertise multiple online casinos. Bovada remains one of those.

If you wish to maintain that the primary purpose of the site is to get people to visit the online casinos, I won't argue with you, but I will say that politics threads do not even serve the secondary purpose of the site if that is the case.

Honestly, though, you would think there would be more articles about online casinos if that was the goal. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been directly asked to write about a specific online casino.



It only changed after the ownership change, under Wizard's ownership, he only had one (unless I am recalling wrong). The new owners, own online casinos, so of course they want their's approved....

I agree about the initial intent, but again that is not who owns it now (and look at the different ads on wizard of odds as well).

The primary goal of the new owners is to get people to gamble online in theirs or one of their sponsored deal casinos (none of which are state regulated casinos). This site is just one of many that they own to drive towards that goal.

This forum if anything is probably a hindrance, because as you have said people post about bad games, HE, etc... So honestly the forum slowing down or even dying is quite possibly in their overall interest....

Whenever a large online casino company buys a site that educates and discusses gambling, you should be skeptical.

Again, I don't inherently disagree with the rule, I just stand by what I said, it will slow traffic, and it will skew posts, but that is likley the goal.

I don't know if DT was sold or not, it still has the classic formatting (that this site used to), and I don't see any ads (I have only briefly glanced at it so could be wrong). But, DT is really only known about by people on here (I don't think anyone who is not a member here randomly joins DT just to discuss politics, because there are better sites for that with far more active bases, really the only advantage it has, is continuing discourse with some people from this site).

I am active on very few forums, I enjoy this one because I love gambling, and it has a lot of interesting perspectives from very well versed people.

Your articles are great, but, would you really be asked to write a bunch of articles about online gaming? It is a limited subject, it is much better advertising to have a great article, and on the side some "reccomded casinos ".....
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:01:41 PM permalink
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After some discussion, site ownership and management have decided to make a new rule forbidding non-gambling and non-Vegas topics, especially those concerning politics, religion, and sexuality. This is not necessarily permanent. We will reevaluate after the dust has a chance to settle.

As to implementation, I will be immediately closing all active threads that are causing all the problems. Discussion of the new rule will be allowed here. For a period of 24 hours, to end at 8:00 AM, Pacific time, Aug 14, I'll allow posting of a "final word" of a nature of soon-to-be-banned topics in this thread only. So write your best manifesto for what you believe today here or forever hold your peace. Manifestos will still be subject to prior forum rules.

I would like to encourage posters who prefer to discuss now-banned topics to take it to Diversity Tomorrow or any other forum of your choice. Have a good day.




Out of all the threads to do this after, they have to make this new rule after a thread that *I* started. I smell a conspiracy.
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:01:52 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

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I don't know if DT was sold or not, it still has the classic formatting (that this site used to), and I don't see any ads (I have only briefly glanced at it so could be wrong). But, DT is really only known about by people on here (I don't think anyone who is not a member here randomly joins DT just to discuss politics, because there are better sites for that with far more active bases, really the only advantage it has, is continuing discourse with some people from this site).



My understanding. DT was not sold and the Wizard is the sole owner
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:04:23 PM permalink
And here is my opinion.

Reality is the site could have been designed where you sign up and if you only want to see the black jack forum, that's all you see with an option box choice,

And if you only want to read the travel and food section forum topics, with those as off topic choices, that's all you see with it.

And you'd still get all the advertising they want you to have.

It's like an access to a everything at a Super Mall, with the advantage of a private set-up. Hell, you could even have Wal*mart links.

If this wasn't so easy to figure a solution to, I'd feel smart.
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August 13th, 2019 at 2:05:21 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Come on Mission, the owners didnít buy this site for over 2M to help gamblers. Or any other reason other than to attract customers to online casinos that PAY them for clicking links.

Hopefully I know you well enough that you understand EVERYTHING they do is to get people to those online casinos. Itís the ONLY way they get their money back.

Anything they pay you is in regards to helping them to that end.

I doubt they would even deny it. And itís the only way they get their return on investment. Surely you understand that.



I understand that they did not buy the sites without expecting a profit in return and the source of that profit being people to visit and/or play at casino websites.

I'm talking about the purpose of the sites, as their own entities, being unchanged. Wizard didn't put Bovada ads on Wizardofodds.com because he didn't want people to go to Bovada, I'm certain he wanted them to do so. The purpose of Wizard of Odds, among other things, is to break down gambling games mathematically and to educate people on them. Making money via online gambling is an effect of the site serving its primary purpose. The purpose of a private school is to educate, but to make money by providing students with that education.

In any case, the primary purpose that the owners bought the site and the primary purpose the site exists can be two different things. But, if not, then again the politics threads do not even serve the secondary purpose.
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