Donation return policy
I could of just the same said , man, mate, bud, etc
Dude it is then
I stand corrected
Classy.Quote: petroglyphOn the term "Dude" Petroglyph acquiesce's.
Dude it is then
I stand corrected
Quote: petroglyphWhat would be wrong with addressing someone by their name or chosen "handle" or choice of nickname? Is slick, or stud, or big fella or other ambigous terms also acceptable?
I gotta say that I HATE when people call me big fella or anything like that. That is basically like them saying HEY FAT ASS. It makes me want to punch them in the gut.
Quote: 1BBWe've covered dude pretty well. Who wants to move on to dudette?
We are really not done yet with dude. What happens if you call a gal a dude?
Funny how this thread is not about donations anymore.
Let's talk about the bendable iPhone 6! LOL.
Quote: Zugafor what it's worth I never meant " dude " as an insult. To me calling someone a dude is not an insult and it is part of the American slang.
I could of just the same said , man, mate, bud, etc
These words appear to reference the same thing at http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=geezer.
Anyway, I would take offence to ANY of them. Patronizing, pejorative, etc. (I'm not your "bud".)
To h*ll with iPhones.
Quote: TaraBCTo h*ll with iPhones.
There you go. That's a start.
This old, senile, honky geezer endorses this positionQuote: DMSCRThere you go. That's a start.
Quote: TaraBCThese words appear to reference the same thing at http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=geezer.
Anyway, I would take offence to ANY of them. Patronizing, pejorative, etc. (I'm not your "bud".)
To h*ll with iPhones.
I will call anyone whatever they prefer. While I could just choose to call them whatever I prefer no matter what, it doesn't seem like a great rule to follow for simple harmonious relations.
If someone refuses to be happy to called much of anything, I will just call them a**hole. That seems to fit best in that case.
Oh yeah, donations.
carry on.
Quote: DMSCRThere you go. That's a start.
You're okay, DMSCR. (Johno doesn't seem to care for you though.)
Quote: rainmanhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbLhHtaVIO4
Wow! Some of us DO have that "DON'T CALL ME DUDE" factor.
Quote: TaraBCYou're okay, DMSCR. (Johno doesn't seem to care for you though.)
Things that make you go HMMMMMM........
Quote: DMSCRThings that make you go HMMMMMM........
I used to have a necktie which read, "You turn me on!"
No validity at all. Donations were attempts to keep things afloat and were not guaranteed to work or aimed at restraining a sale or tying you to the site. The ground swell of donations may have given the Wizard confidence and some breathing space, but the closest analogy is mining law and the concept of the grub stake. Many people got rich staking someone who was prospecting. There was no priority and no dilution. A man who staked someone two years before he hit pay dirt stood equal to a man who grub staked someone two weeks prior to hitting pay dirt. The grub stakers had no managerial rights and decisions were still left to the miner but all grub stakers stood equal to one another. Their money did not bind the miner to any particular course of action nor prohibit the miner from any course of action.Quote: WizardI've taken quite a beating for asking for donations and then turning around and selling the sites. There is some validity to the criticism.
Be wary of all who are making it seem like you are set for life after the sale..... I'm guessing after taxes and expenses you will have enough left to put your kids through college if they go to top schools (250k per, and likely to be higher when they get there).
Quote: FleaStiffNo validity at all. Donations were attempts to keep things afloat and were not guaranteed to work or aimed at restraining a sale or tying you to the site.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this. People had various reasons for giving, but if it was for helping me through a tough time, then I think it is not unreasonable to ask for the money back.
Quote: SOOPOOMike, I want you to keep my donation, if you haven't already spent it as a tip for dinner tonight. Giving the donors all the options---- refund, charity, you keep... is of course the perfect way for you to handle this.
Be wary of all who are making it seem like you are set for life after the sale..... I'm guessing after taxes and expenses you will have enough left to put your kids through college if they go to top schools (250k per, and likely to be higher when they get there).
Thanks SOOPOO! I will definitely let you take me out to dinner with your donation. You're right, I'm not looking at this as a life-changing amount of money. The only thing I'm planning to buy from it is a new unicycle, and to be honest, I probably would have bought that anyway.
Quote: WizardThe only thing I'm planning to buy from it is a new unicycle, and to be honest, I probably would have bought that anyway.
Quote:Frame: Triton Titanium frame ($675)
Hub: KH/Schlumpf geared hub off-road edition ($1500)
Saddle: a thick carbon base coupled with a high-end foam and/or gel. Not sure it is mainstream but we can quote the most expensive saddle + carbon base (not sure on this one)
Seatpost: a Thomson dynamically adjustable version ($449)
Rim: A DT carbon rim ($957)
Cranks: Spirit dual cranks ($120)
Disk brake system: A Formula One special edition kit ($720)
Disk rotor: a Hope Moto-V2 ($132)
The Maxxis Minion DHF 3C is $90 in Canada
Sapim CX-Ray spokes with alloy nipples ($129.60)
Total $4772.60
Okay, to sum up, you pretty much have 2 million dollars left.
(I stole that off a unicycle board -- I know nothing about it really)
Quote: WizardI think we'll have to agree to disagree on this. People had various reasons for giving, but if it was for helping me through a tough time, then I think it is not unreasonable to ask for the money back.
Thanks SOOPOO! I will definitely let you take me out to dinner with your donation. You're right, I'm not looking at this as a life-changing amount of money. The only thing I'm planning to buy from it is a new unicycle, and to be honest, I probably would have bought that anyway.
Mike anyone that donated, did so for past perfomance. Not future.
You do good works. You have individually mostly singlehandedly changed Vegas in a small but personal way. Not many people can say that and have it be true.
People will be talking about The Wizard long after you are gone.
Thanks
Quote: rxwineOkay, to sum up, you pretty much have 2 million dollars left.
Yeah, no. The fed tax on the sales amount
is almost $700,000..
Quote: EvenBobYeah, no. The fed tax on the sales amount
is almost $700,000..
Real Millionaires round to the nearest million.
Quote: EvenBobYeah, no. The fed tax on the sales amount
is almost $700,000..
You're assuming that the whole price paid is taxable profit?
Quote: rdw4potusYou're assuming that the whole price paid is taxable profit?
Also being assumed it was all paid up front. It may well have been, but I don't think that fact (or non fact) has been revealed.
ZCore13
Quote: BleedingChipsSlowlyI didnt donate much, but my donation was without strings attached a thank you for my enjoyment of Wizards creations.
Thank you very much!
Quote: WizardThank you very much!
Thank you for providing the forum & WoO websites!
Quote: mickeycrimmDinate my money to the Las Vegas Rescue Mission..
That will be fine.
Quote: mickeycrimmDinate my money to the Las Vegas Rescue Mission..
Is that where I bust out and you guys pool together to get me a Greyhound home? j/k
Quote: Mission146Is that where I bust out and you guys pool together to get me a Greyhound home? j/k
The guys who wind up at the Rescue Mission have lost at a game more serious than the ones offered in casinos.
It occurred to me that I never gave explicit instructions on what to do with the money that I gave you. But that's the point. I gave you that money. It's yours to do with what you wish. Thank you.
But seeing as you've offered, i'd like mine to go to Three Square.
Cheers.
Quote: DJTeddyBearIt occurred to me that I never gave explicit instructions on what to do with the money that I gave you. But that's the point. I gave you that money. It's yours to do with what you wish. Thank you.
In that case, thank you very much! I hope to spend the money on Poker for Roulette sometime soon.
Quote: ShineyShineBut seeing as you've offered, i'd like mine to go to Three Square.
You got it.
Quote: WizardLet me also say that I'll accept as an option that anybody may insist that I keep the money. For example, sometimes fans will buy me dinner or drinks as a show of thanks for my sites. Such offers I have happily accepted in the past. Neither will I insist that a donation be forwarded to charity if somebody wishes to consider their donation as a pure gift for the value received from my sites, regardless of my net worth.
Still, any donations where I don't get any direction what to do will be donated to charity.
Mr. shackleford,
I didn't donate much, but please keep my donation for yourself. I got much more value out of your sites than I donated. For that, I'll also, if I ever meet you in person, buy you a drink or dinner.
Quote: DJTeddyBearMike -
It occurred to me that I never gave explicit instructions on what to do with the money that I gave you. But that's the point. I gave you that money. It's yours to do with what you wish. Thank you.
Same here.
Quote: DJTeddyBearIt wasn't like "lending" money to your broke brother, where you really don't expect to get it back. These "donations" were payment for the better gambling experience we had as a result of reading WoO and being a member here.
We paid what amount we thought was right for a product that we continue to use. Why ask for refunds?
Now Mike fell into a boatload of cash, and suddenly, everyone is counting his money, and sticking thier hands in his wallet. It's just wrong.
It's unfortunate that it was so recently that the tin cup was out, enabling people to connect the two events. I wonder if many people would have made the same connection if the sale took place many months or years later...
It makes me wonder. If Mike had won the Lion's Share instead of selling the sites, would people still ask for refunds?
I feel the same way. I have directed the Wizard that I would like him to keep my donations. I considered that money a token of appreciation for the value I received from the websites over the years, and am not upset in any way that the Wiz made a good business decision soon after.
Nonetheless, a very classy move on the Wizard's part to offer the refunds and also donate the money to charity by default. I ascribe no malice to those who exercise either option.
Quote: WizardIn that case, thank you very much! I hope to spend the money on Poker for Roulette sometime soon.Quote: DJTeddyBearIt occurred to me that I never gave explicit instructions on what to do with the money that I gave you. But that's the point. I gave you that money. It's yours to do with what you wish. Thank you.
With the high house edge PFR has? I'm shocked! :)
But I'm on board with the "sometime soon" part. I hope so too...
Thanks.
Quote: WizardThe LV Rescue Mission just got Mickey's money.
Thanks, Mike. I ate many a meal in the joint. It's about time I payed them back something.
Quote: Mission146Regarding Beethoven.
Na na na na, na na na na, hey, hey, hey, goodbye!
I actually considered volunteering to serve Mosca's suspension, but then two other people got suspended for essentially the same thing, so that was out.
It's difficult to appear impartial when you mock one member who is shown the door and then, in the same post, consider volunteering to do the time of another who was suspended. It could leave potential members confused or apprehensive about joining.
Being the stand up guy that he is, Mosca wouldn't hear of it.
Quote: 1BBIt's difficult to appear impartial when you mock one member who is shown the door and then, in the same post, consider volunteering to do the time of another who was suspended. It could leave potential members confused or apprehensive about joining.
Being the stand up guy that he is, Mosca wouldn't hear of it.
The only other direct interaction B9 and I had was a good one about music. All I thought when I read the first post of this topic was, "Huh. I'm being offered my hundred back, cool." I got pissed off when I was attacked as part of a group labeled cheap and ungrateful for giving money.
I cashed in my non-suspension status intentionally to make a point. Once it was made, I have nothing else to say about it. I do not feel it was right for anyone to serve my suspension; I paid for it, I deserved it. I withheld participation for 48 hours after my status was changed from red back to blue, but the proper thing to do woud be to give me the last 48 hours of it.
Quote: 1BBIt's difficult to appear impartial when you mock one member who is shown the door and then, in the same post, consider volunteering to do the time of another who was suspended. It could leave potential members confused or apprehensive about joining.
Being the stand up guy that he is, Mosca wouldn't hear of it.
I think this is a mischaracterization of the moderator's role. Mission was apparently as offended as Mosca was by Beethoven's post. Didn't stop Mosca from being suspended for it, and it stayed on Mosca's account. I'm not sure who suspended Mosca, might have been Mission (wasn't me), but any of the 4 of us would have done. That doesn't mean one or more of us can't agree vehemently with the sentiment someone expresses, even if they break the rules in how they say it.
The impartiality comes from applying the rules, not from the POV of the moderator.
Now, back to the game: Eagles 7, Santa Clara 3 and kj sweats another one :-(
Quote: chickenmanThe characterization was blatant bias (hint: mocking). Why a mod should resort to that measure, especially as 1BB notes for a solid guy like Mosca. is way out of the usually understood role for a moderator. I won't even dignify the serving of the suspension with a comment as that would shine the light on the fact that the mods are at least superficially at odds among theirownselves. IMNSHO of course.
Now, back to the game: Eagles 7, Santa Clara 3 and kj sweats another one :-(
I'm not aware of any conflict among the mods. Hopefully I would know. Any of us can express an opinion about a nuked non-member, just as any other member can. We have the same right to free speech, within the rules, anyone else has. And the repercussions, if any, from speaking our minds. I'm not defending what Mission said or did, but I am strongly defending his right to say it.
Quote: MrVThe guys who wind up at the Rescue Mission have lost at a game more serious than the ones offered in casinos.
Looking for a compef meal in Vegas? Reservations not required at the Las Vegas Rescue Mission. First come, first served. A fabulius bowl of beans, bread and milk. A little bit after 4 PM everyday if you were noticing, you would see all the tramps filtering out of downtown, making the walk up to Bonanza then west under the viaduct and LVRM was just on the right. There would be at least a few hundred people qued up in line everyday. They started serving at 5 PM everyday. What always amazed me was the amount of intelligence in the line. Just because they were down on their luck didn't mean they were dumb.
Quote: 1BBIt's difficult to appear impartial when you mock one member who is shown the door and then, in the same post, consider volunteering to do the time of another who was suspended. It could leave potential members confused or apprehensive about joining.
Being the stand up guy that he is, Mosca wouldn't hear of it.
I think mods should be suspended for mocking even nuked members, not retroactively of course. It shows a lack of decorum. And I do not think they should be able to volunteer to serve others' suspensions (I started that by the way, I asked to serve half of one of B9s, and was ignored). Obvious favoritism, and lack of the appearance of impartiality.
Although I think Zuga in the right, I'm pretty sure the use of the word 'hypocrite' would qualify any number of members for a 3-day depending on the mods mood and POV of that person, regardless of the facts. The Wizard has stated that truth is not a defense. Therefore, I think Buzz had a legitimate question...that he raised while incessantly trolling. Buzz tho, has allows been allowed to troll, so since he wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary, he may have honestly thought he was not doing anything wrong.
